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+x+x+x+x+xUnpopular opinion: this hastens p and r with the caveat that liscensed clubs probably get protection from dropping below the second division and we will probably have some weird rules protecting nz you will never have p and r before you have two divisions of 16 clubs and this probably gets us there within 5 years Next two years there will be a ridiculous increase in opportunites for young aussie footballers. This is unambiguously good news imo Respectfully this is terrible take. No way in the world is this good news for pro rel. I half believe they're setting up the NST for failure. They're definitely heading more down the MLS route. $25 million for licenses this time, $30 million for the next round? I guess your worry is that they will require promotion candidates to pay a liscense fee? i doubt it personally No that's not it at all. My worry, and my expectation is, no owner would agree to a pro / rel model where they could lose their entire investment. Let's face facts, if a big club is relegated it will likely fold or be gutted and sold on for a nominal fee and exist as a NST team in name only. Now you can say they can force pro / rel and they can but the owners will not let that happen. The APL have looked at the Dolphins success and thought, let's have some of that. The best thing to do would have been run the NST and promote the winner for the next 4 years to get to 16 teams. That would have been hands down the best way to get to 16. No relegation until 16 teams are reached and then in year 5 away we go. So picture this: suppose next year there are 2-3 teams getting bigger crowds than the worst a league clubs. With preston in the nst and wun/macarthur in the top league that is all but gauranteed there is a big push from fans for promotion and relegation to happen in year one. James Johnson and dt put cold water on it saying the nst is still getting established. Years 2 and 3 the same things happen and the nst has expanded to 16 clubs. There is no longer that excise and there has been 3 years in a row where the best nst teams outperform the worst a league clubs. 3 years of political pressure from fans when the fa, rather than the apl or the clubs, has the final say will force some compromise If the apl and the fa were a single organization then id share your cynicism. But I dont see how you avoid p and r if the top nst teams outperform some a league clubs several years in a row And if they don't outperform then with regards to crowds?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xUnpopular opinion: this hastens p and r with the caveat that liscensed clubs probably get protection from dropping below the second division and we will probably have some weird rules protecting nz you will never have p and r before you have two divisions of 16 clubs and this probably gets us there within 5 years Next two years there will be a ridiculous increase in opportunites for young aussie footballers. This is unambiguously good news imo Respectfully this is terrible take. No way in the world is this good news for pro rel. I half believe they're setting up the NST for failure. They're definitely heading more down the MLS route. $25 million for licenses this time, $30 million for the next round? I guess your worry is that they will require promotion candidates to pay a liscense fee? i doubt it personally No that's not it at all. My worry, and my expectation is, no owner would agree to a pro / rel model where they could lose their entire investment. Let's face facts, if a big club is relegated it will likely fold or be gutted and sold on for a nominal fee and exist as a NST team in name only. Now you can say they can force pro / rel and they can but the owners will not let that happen. The APL have looked at the Dolphins success and thought, let's have some of that. The best thing to do would have been run the NST and promote the winner for the next 4 years to get to 16 teams. That would have been hands down the best way to get to 16. No relegation until 16 teams are reached and then in year 5 away we go. So picture this: suppose next year there are 2-3 teams getting bigger crowds than the worst a league clubs. With preston in the nst and wun/macarthur in the top league that is all but gauranteed there is a big push from fans for promotion and relegation to happen in year one. James Johnson and dt put cold water on it saying the nst is still getting established. Years 2 and 3 the same things happen and the nst has expanded to 16 clubs. There is no longer that excise and there has been 3 years in a row where the best nst teams outperform the worst a league clubs. 3 years of political pressure from fans when the fa, rather than the apl or the clubs, has the final say will force some compromise If the apl and the fa were a single organization then id share your cynicism. But I dont see how you avoid p and r if the top nst teams outperform some a league clubs several years in a row And if they don't outperform then with regards to crowds? In that case indeed p and r gets delayed
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+xIm a little baffled by this, in one way its great for the game but in the other way what does it mean for the NSD especially teams coming those markets? The a-league expansion looks bringing in new entities whilst the NSD is focused more on helping existing teams make the jump into the top flight. I think there needs to be a blueprint on not only expansion but also on promotion and relegation and how this will be achieved in the future, the FA need to show some leadership with this in the future once the NSD comes in next year. Either way im happy for Canberra, I think an Tasmanian team would have been more interesting than helping NZ football out in my opinion. It's not really baffling. The NSD is an FA initiative. In the meantime, the APL will continue to do what it has always done: sell license fees. That's the MLS model. Anyone who thinks all of this is conducive to forming a smooth pyramid in Australia is dreaming. Absolutely zero chance of it happening in the next 10 to 15 years. Zero chance.
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+xJust throw in the NZ premier league as a conference at this rate 😵💫🙄 Kin oath, you guys aren't ready to face the wrath of Cashmere Technical or Miramar Rangers yet
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+x+xIm a little baffled by this, in one way its great for the game but in the other way what does it mean for the NSD especially teams coming those markets? The a-league expansion looks bringing in new entities whilst the NSD is focused more on helping existing teams make the jump into the top flight. I think there needs to be a blueprint on not only expansion but also on promotion and relegation and how this will be achieved in the future, the FA need to show some leadership with this in the future once the NSD comes in next year. Either way im happy for Canberra, I think an Tasmanian team would have been more interesting than helping NZ football out in my opinion. It's not really baffling. The NSD is an FA initiative. In the meantime, the APL will continue to do what it has always done: sell license fees. That's the MLS model. Anyone who thinks all of this is conducive to forming a smooth pyramid in Australia is dreaming. Absolutely zero chance of it happening in the next 10 to 15 years. Zero chance. spot on............
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+x+xJust throw in the NZ premier league as a conference at this rate 😵💫🙄 Kin oath, you guys aren't ready to face the wrath of Cashmere Technical or Miramar Rangers yet Winner of NPL and NZPL playoff gets promotion to the NST lol
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+x+x+x+x+xUnpopular opinion: this hastens p and r with the caveat that liscensed clubs probably get protection from dropping below the second division and we will probably have some weird rules protecting nz you will never have p and r before you have two divisions of 16 clubs and this probably gets us there within 5 years Next two years there will be a ridiculous increase in opportunites for young aussie footballers. This is unambiguously good news imo Respectfully this is terrible take. No way in the world is this good news for pro rel. I half believe they're setting up the NST for failure. They're definitely heading more down the MLS route. $25 million for licenses this time, $30 million for the next round? I guess your worry is that they will require promotion candidates to pay a liscense fee? i doubt it personally No that's not it at all. My worry, and my expectation is, no owner would agree to a pro / rel model where they could lose their entire investment. Let's face facts, if a big club is relegated it will likely fold or be gutted and sold on for a nominal fee and exist as a NST team in name only. Now you can say they can force pro / rel and they can but the owners will not let that happen. The APL have looked at the Dolphins success and thought, let's have some of that. The best thing to do would have been run the NST and promote the winner for the next 4 years to get to 16 teams. That would have been hands down the best way to get to 16. No relegation until 16 teams are reached and then in year 5 away we go. So picture this: suppose next year there are 2-3 teams getting bigger crowds than the worst a league clubs. With preston in the nst and wun/macarthur in the top league that is all but gauranteed there is a big push from fans for promotion and relegation to happen in year one. James Johnson and dt put cold water on it saying the nst is still getting established. Years 2 and 3 the same things happen and the nst has expanded to 16 clubs. There is no longer that excise and there has been 3 years in a row where the best nst teams outperform the worst a league clubs. 3 years of political pressure from fans when the fa, rather than the apl or the clubs, has the final say will force some compromise If the apl and the fa were a single organization then id share your cynicism. But I dont see how you avoid p and r if the top nst teams outperform some a league clubs several years in a row "big push from fans"???? hahahahah Surely your joking mate?? Did a big backlash from fans bring about ANY changes in the Aleague? Ever? The APL isnt even hiding their intentions mate, this is a way of value adding to the existing license holders, and trying to nip the upstart NST in the bud before it launches.....
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+x+xJust throw in the NZ premier league as a conference at this rate 😵💫🙄 Kin oath, you guys aren't ready to face the wrath of Cashmere Technical or Miramar Rangers yet Pffft you need more North/South/West/East names to compete in Australia cuz.... hahahahahahahaahah
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So, are they asking for 'bidders' from Canberra and Aukland or have they already been in talks with a specific group in each city to start the franchise?
It's kinda surprising anyone would be putting their hand up right now to spend $25m on an A-League license and then another $XYZm setting up the club.
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+xSo, are they asking for 'bidders' from Canberra and Aukland or have they already been in talks with a specific group in each city to start the franchise? It's kinda surprising anyone would be putting their hand up right now to spend $25m on an A-League license and then another $XYZm setting up the club. Anyone for South Canberra Hellas? hahahahahahahahaha
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+x+x+xJust throw in the NZ premier league as a conference at this rate 😵💫🙄 Kin oath, you guys aren't ready to face the wrath of Cashmere Technical or Miramar Rangers yet Pffft you need more North/South/West/East names to compete in Australia cuz.... hahahahahahahaahah Oh, cool beans, we've got Northern Rovers, Western Springs and Eastern Suburbs in Auckland alone
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUnpopular opinion: this hastens p and r with the caveat that liscensed clubs probably get protection from dropping below the second division and we will probably have some weird rules protecting nz you will never have p and r before you have two divisions of 16 clubs and this probably gets us there within 5 years Next two years there will be a ridiculous increase in opportunites for young aussie footballers. This is unambiguously good news imo Respectfully this is terrible take. No way in the world is this good news for pro rel. I half believe they're setting up the NST for failure. They're definitely heading more down the MLS route. $25 million for licenses this time, $30 million for the next round? I guess your worry is that they will require promotion candidates to pay a liscense fee? i doubt it personally No that's not it at all. My worry, and my expectation is, no owner would agree to a pro / rel model where they could lose their entire investment. Let's face facts, if a big club is relegated it will likely fold or be gutted and sold on for a nominal fee and exist as a NST team in name only. Now you can say they can force pro / rel and they can but the owners will not let that happen. The APL have looked at the Dolphins success and thought, let's have some of that. The best thing to do would have been run the NST and promote the winner for the next 4 years to get to 16 teams. That would have been hands down the best way to get to 16. No relegation until 16 teams are reached and then in year 5 away we go. So picture this: suppose next year there are 2-3 teams getting bigger crowds than the worst a league clubs. With preston in the nst and wun/macarthur in the top league that is all but gauranteed there is a big push from fans for promotion and relegation to happen in year one. James Johnson and dt put cold water on it saying the nst is still getting established. Years 2 and 3 the same things happen and the nst has expanded to 16 clubs. There is no longer that excise and there has been 3 years in a row where the best nst teams outperform the worst a league clubs. 3 years of political pressure from fans when the fa, rather than the apl or the clubs, has the final say will force some compromise If the apl and the fa were a single organization then id share your cynicism. But I dont see how you avoid p and r if the top nst teams outperform some a league clubs several years in a row And if they don't outperform then with regards to crowds? In that case indeed p and r gets delayed Well that is ridiculous. You are effectively saying you can't have P and R until the crowds attend NST teams in numbers. That is everything P and R isn't
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+xSo, are they asking for 'bidders' from Canberra and Aukland or have they already been in talks with a specific group in each city to start the franchise? It's kinda surprising anyone would be putting their hand up right now to spend $25m on an A-League license and then another $XYZm setting up the club. Read the article. The marketing spivs have identified those areas and will hit up investors. Both cities have been designated “preferred market status” by the APL. The organisation’s chiefs have already begun consulting football community leaders, governments and other potential stakeholders to gather support. They will spend the next few months searching for investors, before ideally awarding club licences to the new owners in June – giving them about 14 months to prepare both men’s and women’s teams for kick-off in October 2024.
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Fucking Auckland! Name a single person in Australia that's not a Kiwi that actually thinks 'you beauty my team is playing Wellington this week'. That's right. Farking no one. And now they're going to throw Auckland in. I hope they can't get investors to stump up their grubby licence fee and the whole thing falls over. $25m for the licence and then what another $10m for start up costs. Fuck right off.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUnpopular opinion: this hastens p and r with the caveat that liscensed clubs probably get protection from dropping below the second division and we will probably have some weird rules protecting nz you will never have p and r before you have two divisions of 16 clubs and this probably gets us there within 5 years Next two years there will be a ridiculous increase in opportunites for young aussie footballers. This is unambiguously good news imo Respectfully this is terrible take. No way in the world is this good news for pro rel. I half believe they're setting up the NST for failure. They're definitely heading more down the MLS route. $25 million for licenses this time, $30 million for the next round? I guess your worry is that they will require promotion candidates to pay a liscense fee? i doubt it personally No that's not it at all. My worry, and my expectation is, no owner would agree to a pro / rel model where they could lose their entire investment. Let's face facts, if a big club is relegated it will likely fold or be gutted and sold on for a nominal fee and exist as a NST team in name only. Now you can say they can force pro / rel and they can but the owners will not let that happen. The APL have looked at the Dolphins success and thought, let's have some of that. The best thing to do would have been run the NST and promote the winner for the next 4 years to get to 16 teams. That would have been hands down the best way to get to 16. No relegation until 16 teams are reached and then in year 5 away we go. So picture this: suppose next year there are 2-3 teams getting bigger crowds than the worst a league clubs. With preston in the nst and wun/macarthur in the top league that is all but gauranteed there is a big push from fans for promotion and relegation to happen in year one. James Johnson and dt put cold water on it saying the nst is still getting established. Years 2 and 3 the same things happen and the nst has expanded to 16 clubs. There is no longer that excise and there has been 3 years in a row where the best nst teams outperform the worst a league clubs. 3 years of political pressure from fans when the fa, rather than the apl or the clubs, has the final say will force some compromise If the apl and the fa were a single organization then id share your cynicism. But I dont see how you avoid p and r if the top nst teams outperform some a league clubs several years in a row And if they don't outperform then with regards to crowds? In that case indeed p and r gets delayed Well that is ridiculous. You are effectively saying you can't have P and R until the crowds attend NST teams in numbers. That is everything P and R isn't On the other hand prestons big crowds along with wun/macarthurs small crowds makes p and r in the near future very likely some weird hybrid will happen no matter what in the medium term
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I tend to think this expansion plan makes more sense than some more recent ones, given that the areas/cities are defined. This at least gives a clearer picture and focus.
I am not completely sold though on the idea that expansion will bring success, and would likely rather see more focus on the NST providing the pathway to expansion through P&R.
Either way, let’s hope that it is a success.
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Whilst I'm ranting regards Auckland it's illustrative that even the NRL, which is a thousand times more popular in UnZud don't think a second NRL team is a goer there.
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Starting to think Grazor is related to JJ.
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Do they not realise there is an ocean of hungry fish already on their doorstep they could engage with?
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+xDo they not realise there is an ocean of hungry fish already on their doorstep they could engage with? They don't care about the fish. They care about the wallets that have $25m just floating around.
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+xWhilst I'm ranting regards Auckland it's illustrative that even the NRL, which is a thousand times more popular in UnZud don't think a second NRL team is a goer there. "NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo is keen to have a second team in New Zealand to “create tribalism’’ and “a new rivalry’’ with the Warriors." Two years ago but you shouldn't expect them to have done a 180 on this
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That price tag is viewed as a significant obstacle by Ivan Vuksich, the chairman of Auckland’s most prominent existing club, Auckland City, who has been working on an A-Leagues bid alongside property developer Alex Sipka, going so far as to set up a new company, Auckland FC, in September 2021. “Alex and I formed the company and Alex is a reasonably wealthy man, but not wealthy enough to do this sort of stuff,” Vuksich said. “We had talked to two or three different investors and they were all reasonably keen to come on board, so we were going to probably have five investors.” Vuksich was among the stakeholders that met with Townsend and APL chief operating officer Nick Garcia during their visit to Auckland earlier this month and he said that while he had shared the Auckland FC vision with them, the subject of a licence fee wasn’t raised. When the $21–$27 million price tag was put to Vuksich on Wednesday, he said it would mean Auckland FC was “out of the running” as a standalone entity.
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WE need more games play three rounds .... or two and a half.... 26 rounds is till way to short ...
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+xDo they not realise there is an ocean of hungry fish already on their doorstep they could engage with? Thats what they are "banking" on, pardon the pun. https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8120257/a-league-of-our-own-canberra-to-have-mens-soccer-team-by-2024-25/Caggiano will work from Sydney with the APL to lock in the 18-month journey to the first season, as well as meeting with Canberra stakeholders to finalise plans including: A deal with Capital Football that will likely see the Canberra United women's team added under the one banner for the new ownership structure; Identifying high-performance training base options around the capital; Securing sponsors and ACT government financial support, and; Speaking with existing National Premier League clubs in Canberra to start building a supporter base among the largest participation sport in the region.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUnpopular opinion: this hastens p and r with the caveat that liscensed clubs probably get protection from dropping below the second division and we will probably have some weird rules protecting nz you will never have p and r before you have two divisions of 16 clubs and this probably gets us there within 5 years Next two years there will be a ridiculous increase in opportunites for young aussie footballers. This is unambiguously good news imo Respectfully this is terrible take. No way in the world is this good news for pro rel. I half believe they're setting up the NST for failure. They're definitely heading more down the MLS route. $25 million for licenses this time, $30 million for the next round? I guess your worry is that they will require promotion candidates to pay a liscense fee? i doubt it personally No that's not it at all. My worry, and my expectation is, no owner would agree to a pro / rel model where they could lose their entire investment. Let's face facts, if a big club is relegated it will likely fold or be gutted and sold on for a nominal fee and exist as a NST team in name only. Now you can say they can force pro / rel and they can but the owners will not let that happen. The APL have looked at the Dolphins success and thought, let's have some of that. The best thing to do would have been run the NST and promote the winner for the next 4 years to get to 16 teams. That would have been hands down the best way to get to 16. No relegation until 16 teams are reached and then in year 5 away we go. So picture this: suppose next year there are 2-3 teams getting bigger crowds than the worst a league clubs. With preston in the nst and wun/macarthur in the top league that is all but gauranteed there is a big push from fans for promotion and relegation to happen in year one. James Johnson and dt put cold water on it saying the nst is still getting established. Years 2 and 3 the same things happen and the nst has expanded to 16 clubs. There is no longer that excise and there has been 3 years in a row where the best nst teams outperform the worst a league clubs. 3 years of political pressure from fans when the fa, rather than the apl or the clubs, has the final say will force some compromise If the apl and the fa were a single organization then id share your cynicism. But I dont see how you avoid p and r if the top nst teams outperform some a league clubs several years in a row And if they don't outperform then with regards to crowds? In that case indeed p and r gets delayed "They're not only investing in a club licence to participate in the competition in perpetuity, they're also investing in the league itself. It's a very unique and interesting investment opportunity and we're seeing a lot of inbound interest from overseas." I think this is marketing speak for "No pro/rel ever.... sorry wogsies"
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUnpopular opinion: this hastens p and r with the caveat that liscensed clubs probably get protection from dropping below the second division and we will probably have some weird rules protecting nz you will never have p and r before you have two divisions of 16 clubs and this probably gets us there within 5 years Next two years there will be a ridiculous increase in opportunites for young aussie footballers. This is unambiguously good news imo Respectfully this is terrible take. No way in the world is this good news for pro rel. I half believe they're setting up the NST for failure. They're definitely heading more down the MLS route. $25 million for licenses this time, $30 million for the next round? I guess your worry is that they will require promotion candidates to pay a liscense fee? i doubt it personally No that's not it at all. My worry, and my expectation is, no owner would agree to a pro / rel model where they could lose their entire investment. Let's face facts, if a big club is relegated it will likely fold or be gutted and sold on for a nominal fee and exist as a NST team in name only. Now you can say they can force pro / rel and they can but the owners will not let that happen. The APL have looked at the Dolphins success and thought, let's have some of that. The best thing to do would have been run the NST and promote the winner for the next 4 years to get to 16 teams. That would have been hands down the best way to get to 16. No relegation until 16 teams are reached and then in year 5 away we go. So picture this: suppose next year there are 2-3 teams getting bigger crowds than the worst a league clubs. With preston in the nst and wun/macarthur in the top league that is all but gauranteed there is a big push from fans for promotion and relegation to happen in year one. James Johnson and dt put cold water on it saying the nst is still getting established. Years 2 and 3 the same things happen and the nst has expanded to 16 clubs. There is no longer that excise and there has been 3 years in a row where the best nst teams outperform the worst a league clubs. 3 years of political pressure from fans when the fa, rather than the apl or the clubs, has the final say will force some compromise If the apl and the fa were a single organization then id share your cynicism. But I dont see how you avoid p and r if the top nst teams outperform some a league clubs several years in a row And if they don't outperform then with regards to crowds? In that case indeed p and r gets delayed "They're not only investing in a club licence to participate in the competition in perpetuity, they're also investing in the league itself. It's a very unique and interesting investment opportunity and we're seeing a lot of inbound interest from overseas." I think this is marketing speak for "No pro/rel ever.... sorry wogsies" Yeah doubt that will matter if the top nst clubs are outperforming the bottom a league clubs.
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Some of the current teams barely justify inclusion let-alone adding to them. I can't understand the angle with this. Is it to push more games/tv rights revenue? I'd have just focussed in pro/rel and when that time came and if expansion was needed looked at those clubs.
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I’m pro-expansion as much as anyone. But for the life of me, I cannot understand the timing of this announcement. At a time when the AL is dying, I think the priorities are wrong. That’s unless they intend on replacing fans that have been around since day 1, with new fans in new markets?
Honestly, I am at a complete loss as to how they think…
And LOL at the $50 million they claim they will receive. They won’t even get half that amount. And a third will be chewed up by Silver Lake and another 10% by FA.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xUnpopular opinion: this hastens p and r with the caveat that liscensed clubs probably get protection from dropping below the second division and we will probably have some weird rules protecting nz you will never have p and r before you have two divisions of 16 clubs and this probably gets us there within 5 years Next two years there will be a ridiculous increase in opportunites for young aussie footballers. This is unambiguously good news imo Respectfully this is terrible take. No way in the world is this good news for pro rel. I half believe they're setting up the NST for failure. They're definitely heading more down the MLS route. $25 million for licenses this time, $30 million for the next round? I guess your worry is that they will require promotion candidates to pay a liscense fee? i doubt it personally No that's not it at all. My worry, and my expectation is, no owner would agree to a pro / rel model where they could lose their entire investment. Let's face facts, if a big club is relegated it will likely fold or be gutted and sold on for a nominal fee and exist as a NST team in name only. Now you can say they can force pro / rel and they can but the owners will not let that happen. The APL have looked at the Dolphins success and thought, let's have some of that. The best thing to do would have been run the NST and promote the winner for the next 4 years to get to 16 teams. That would have been hands down the best way to get to 16. No relegation until 16 teams are reached and then in year 5 away we go. So picture this: suppose next year there are 2-3 teams getting bigger crowds than the worst a league clubs. With preston in the nst and wun/macarthur in the top league that is all but gauranteed there is a big push from fans for promotion and relegation to happen in year one. James Johnson and dt put cold water on it saying the nst is still getting established. Years 2 and 3 the same things happen and the nst has expanded to 16 clubs. There is no longer that excise and there has been 3 years in a row where the best nst teams outperform the worst a league clubs. 3 years of political pressure from fans when the fa, rather than the apl or the clubs, has the final say will force some compromise If the apl and the fa were a single organization then id share your cynicism. But I dont see how you avoid p and r if the top nst teams outperform some a league clubs several years in a row And if they don't outperform then with regards to crowds? In that case indeed p and r gets delayed "They're not only investing in a club licence to participate in the competition in perpetuity, they're also investing in the league itself. It's a very unique and interesting investment opportunity and we're seeing a lot of inbound interest from overseas." I think this is marketing speak for "No pro/rel ever.... sorry wogsies" Yeah doubt that will matter if the top nst clubs are outperforming the bottom a league clubs. Preston can get 10k every home game mate, they will NEVER afford a 50 million licences fee.... at l;east not as the community/members based club the currently are.... nor will anyone else. APL doesn't CARE how many people rock up to games, that much is self evident.
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+xI’m pro-expansion as much as anyone. But for the life of me, I cannot understand the timing of this announcement. At a time when the AL is dying, I think the priorities are wrong. That’s unless they intend on replacing fans that have been around since day 1, with new fans in new markets? Honestly, I am at a complete loss as to how they think… And LOL at the $50 million they claim they will receive. They won’t even get half that amount. And a third will be chewed up by Silver Lake and another 10% by FA. The definition of stupidity is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result...
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