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+x+x+x+x+xOf course everyone likes to see players who can dribble past defenders at pace as this is the ultimate skill of a footballer. ( scoring a goal is the bonus).However the passing game is best suited for most players even professionals.The best teams have outstanding dribblers as well as a smart passing game-to whit Barcelona with Messi. There are some very good dribblers in the A-league-Arzani,Piscopo,Ninkovic and O'Shea to name a few but most players are passers as they have been taught since junior days.The problem with the A-league is that many players have a very average first touch and while they can control the ball if not pressured and then pass this slows down attacking momentum and lacks the cut and thrust of the top European and South American teams.However the new generation of players-Kuol( Garang),Segecic,Irankunda,Archie Goodwin,Robertson,Wilson( from Victory) and quite a few others have a very good first touch and thus they are in a better position to take on a defender or more time to put in a telling pass.Therefore the standard of the league should continue to rise as these players with attacking potential get their chances.As long as the media shines some light on these players interest will grow and hopefully increase crowd attendances and viewing numbers. All of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. I mean this process was always going to take time to bear fruit, I guess these dutch coaches that were here knew what they were doing all along... I gather you are both heavily invested in this Dutch Curriculum bearing fruit for one reason or another but do you think it has? I must be missing something fundamental because not really seeing any technical improvement at youth level, nor Olyroos nor NTs.... Who are these players blessed with excellent first touch you are talking about??? The NC has made a massive difference. I can speak as a practitioner of the old system and the new, having undertaken coach education in both eras. We wouldn't have made 5 successive WCs, finished 11th in Qatar, plus won the Asian Cup in 2015, without the new system. First touch isn't the only facet of technique. There is also handling speed, running with the ball, 1v1 attacking and defensive skills, and, striking the ball. Moreover, in terms of football performance, technique ( with 5 aspects of it) isn't the only game specific football performance factor attributed to winning games. One also needs to add game sense, communication, mental strength and football conditioning.
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+x+x+x+x+xyer that so...... Hernandez, Finkler, Flores,Berisha, FBK, Toivonen, Honda say hello plus you could add half a doz more for eg.....sure do have some impact. Sitting from the SFC fence and observations I don't think its the fans stomping up and down for marquee's but the owner always wanting to cash in more than any other point and to kick the league off, Lowy would have had huge influence regards this for the league and SFC. They set the gaunlet that has stuck since Blingfc that in the big picture alot never liked the phrase but for the fair wethered base and waggoners. The press play its role as well. of course great players do, but no real big name stars there imo building long term community roots imo is what garners support, however young kids probably want to see superstars. The conflict of a franchise league hey! My only point is that MV showed it's possible to build a massive following from fans and solid LOYAL PLAYERS - this merry go round does not help. I'd argue melbourne was it's strongest and most watchable with the solid players for a five year period - Roddy, Archie, Muscat etc Do you think victory crowds recover the next year or two or do you think this year was a fatal wound? I don't believe anything is fatal besides death :) But the club is at a low point, I can't see it getting much better with Popa, after the fans crap I think half the fans don't even care about anything from other supporters to the team. Over time though things change, people will forget bucket boy and and bad results are a distant memory. Hard to see it getting the interest it had in those early years though Bucket man vs peter hore we have had some serious pests hold the league back hope victory recover we have only really had four clubs, especially victory, that have had much bigger crowds than the nsl. i dont think p and r works unless we have a buffer division. i dont think a second division works unless you have a top division with at least a few clubs capable of packing stadiums. I dont think we really challenge the top teams in world football consistently till we have p and r. So Victory recovering is pretty darn important. They are about as important to oz football as the rangers are to scotland - their league became a farce when rangers went down several divisions I would have thought SFC, MV, Roar (earlier days), AU, WSW ( earlier days) have all averaged bigger crowds than the NSL averages ? Newcastle too?
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+xJust read an article on the IPL.... its becoming mega massive, as is 20 / 20 cricket.... Prior to the big bash the A-L kinda was becoming a real media talking point..... The A-L has never come to terms with the BB upstart coming along an hogging the limelight and sucking fans, ratings, sponsors over summer... followed soon thereafter y the IPL... Its not discussed much... but cricket IMO or 20 / 20 cricket is going to continue to be an issue Football admins need to deal with.... and its not KFC buckets on heads... Agree about the boom in T20. It is a veritable threat to football. Crowds are decreasing though in Aus. I like international T20, but not the domestic razzamatazz, franchise, T20. Ironically, T20 is destroying red ball cricket too. It is really growing the sport of cricket though. Now it is easily the second biggest global sport after football.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xyer that so...... Hernandez, Finkler, Flores,Berisha, FBK, Toivonen, Honda say hello plus you could add half a doz more for eg.....sure do have some impact. Sitting from the SFC fence and observations I don't think its the fans stomping up and down for marquee's but the owner always wanting to cash in more than any other point and to kick the league off, Lowy would have had huge influence regards this for the league and SFC. They set the gaunlet that has stuck since Blingfc that in the big picture alot never liked the phrase but for the fair wethered base and waggoners. The press play its role as well. of course great players do, but no real big name stars there imo building long term community roots imo is what garners support, however young kids probably want to see superstars. The conflict of a franchise league hey! My only point is that MV showed it's possible to build a massive following from fans and solid LOYAL PLAYERS - this merry go round does not help. I'd argue melbourne was it's strongest and most watchable with the solid players for a five year period - Roddy, Archie, Muscat etc Do you think victory crowds recover the next year or two or do you think this year was a fatal wound? I don't believe anything is fatal besides death :) But the club is at a low point, I can't see it getting much better with Popa, after the fans crap I think half the fans don't even care about anything from other supporters to the team. Over time though things change, people will forget bucket boy and and bad results are a distant memory. Hard to see it getting the interest it had in those early years though Bucket man vs peter hore we have had some serious pests hold the league back hope victory recover we have only really had four clubs, especially victory, that have had much bigger crowds than the nsl.i dont think p and r works unless we have a buffer division. i dont think a second division works unless you have a top division with at least a few clubs capable of packing stadiums. I dont think we really challenge the top teams in world football consistently till we have p and r. So Victory recovering is pretty darn important. They are about as important to oz football as the rangers are to scotland - their league became a farce when rangers went down several divisions It is interesting to look at attendance over the final years of the NSL. The average attendance at the NSL over its final 3 seasons was 4,380. In that period seven of the 12 clubs averaged less than the Bulls now. One club, Perth, averaged in excess of 10,000. The best attended clubs were Perth, Adelaide and Newcastle with South slightly behind Newcastle. Attendance had been dwindling for a while and the clubs had been reducing player payments. It was known that the NSL was to be reformatted. Similarly the A-League attendance has been dwindling for several years and on top of that attendances were severely affected by the worst pandemic in a century dropping down to the low to mid 5,000s. This season attendance has increased substantially and there is no reason to think that the improvement will not continue provided the League is well managed. How close it gets to 10,000 per game will depend on how quickly Victory regains its fans and whether the previous slow reduction will continue. A second issue is that any expansion is likely to increase total attendance but reduce average attendance. Thanks for refreshing my memory in the first few sentences. Goo some weird reason, Perth Glory, didn't attract more fans by playing AL instead of NSL.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xyer that so...... Hernandez, Finkler, Flores,Berisha, FBK, Toivonen, Honda say hello plus you could add half a doz more for eg.....sure do have some impact. Sitting from the SFC fence and observations I don't think its the fans stomping up and down for marquee's but the owner always wanting to cash in more than any other point and to kick the league off, Lowy would have had huge influence regards this for the league and SFC. They set the gaunlet that has stuck since Blingfc that in the big picture alot never liked the phrase but for the fair wethered base and waggoners. The press play its role as well. of course great players do, but no real big name stars there imo building long term community roots imo is what garners support, however young kids probably want to see superstars. The conflict of a franchise league hey! My only point is that MV showed it's possible to build a massive following from fans and solid LOYAL PLAYERS - this merry go round does not help. I'd argue melbourne was it's strongest and most watchable with the solid players for a five year period - Roddy, Archie, Muscat etc Do you think victory crowds recover the next year or two or do you think this year was a fatal wound? I don't believe anything is fatal besides death :) But the club is at a low point, I can't see it getting much better with Popa, after the fans crap I think half the fans don't even care about anything from other supporters to the team. Over time though things change, people will forget bucket boy and and bad results are a distant memory. Hard to see it getting the interest it had in those early years though Bucket man vs peter hore we have had some serious pests hold the league back hope victory recover we have only really had four clubs, especially victory, that have had much bigger crowds than the nsl.i dont think p and r works unless we have a buffer division. i dont think a second division works unless you have a top division with at least a few clubs capable of packing stadiums. I dont think we really challenge the top teams in world football consistently till we have p and r. So Victory recovering is pretty darn important. They are about as important to oz football as the rangers are to scotland - their league became a farce when rangers went down several divisions It is interesting to look at attendance over the final years of the NSL. The average attendance at the NSL over its final 3 seasons was 4,380. In that period seven of the 12 clubs averaged less than the Bulls now. One club, Perth, averaged in excess of 10,000. The best attended clubs were Perth, Adelaide and Newcastle with South slightly behind Newcastle. Attendance had been dwindling for a while and the clubs had been reducing player payments. It was known that the NSL was to be reformatted. Similarly the A-League attendance has been dwindling for several years and on top of that attendances were severely affected by the worst pandemic in a century dropping down to the low to mid 5,000s. This season attendance has increased substantially and there is no reason to think that the improvement will not continue provided the League is well managed. How close it gets to 10,000 per game will depend on how quickly Victory regains its fans and whether the previous slow reduction will continue. A second issue is that any expansion is likely to increase total attendance but reduce average attendance. The last 3 seasons of the NSL aren't a fair representation of how popular the league was overall, but it's a good shout that it depicts how fans responded when they knew the league was being shuttered. I used to keep extensive stats but gave up when I gave up on the AL. But for what it's worth, some stats for the more popular (and not AL convert) NSL clubs in the last years. In terms of crowd numbers and the talent they produced, some of these clubs don't just compete with some AL clubs like Macarthur..... they absolutely shit on them. | Sydney Olympic | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 6,322 | 7,061 | 4,166 | 5,269 | 5,650 | 5,954 | 5,641 | 3,572 | 3,115 | | | | | | | | | | | Brisbane Strikers | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 5,059 | 5,077 | 3,963 | 4,489 | 3,196 | 2,014 | 3,515 | 2,103 | 2,566 | | | | | | | | | | | Adelaide City | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 4,446 | 4,737 | 4,616 | 4,623 | 5,173 | 3,688 | 3,111 | 2,570 | | | | | | | | | | | | Sydney United | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 4,340 | 5,920 | 3,645 | 4,516 | 3,304 | 4,087 | 3,775 | 3,336 | 2,799 | | | | | | | | | | | South Melbourne | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 6,177 | 7,377 | 6,247 | 8,330 | 6,565 | 8,001 | 6,012 | 4,963 | 6,832 | | | | | | | | | | | Wollongong Wolves | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 2,873 | 4,764 | 5,453 | 3,560 | 5,007 | 5,104 | 3,403 | 3,025 | 2,569 | | | | | | | | | | | Marconi | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 5,018 | 5,786 | 4,849 | 5,239 | 4,830 | 3,991 | 3,153 | 2,487 | 2,008 | | | | | | | | | | | Melbourne Knights | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 4,437 | 4,986 | 4,295 | 3,343 | 4,141 | 4,917 | 4,119 | 4,010 | 2,885 |
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well noted bohemia........ Got to give some credit where its due - it was such a different world wayway back then and nothing like the support AL had from its beginnings. Many focus at the NSL's last days that obviously paints the ugly picture. Both leagues have had their Highs and Lows.
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Some time ago and it was not long after Gallop's appointment.... the Mariners got a warning from FFA pertaining to key metrics ... essentially crowds, ratings, media space among other things were measured over a three year period and if they fell under certain markers you could be kicked out....
I do wonder if its been carried over by our new Over Lords... as WU & the Cows are well below what a professional team in the first division should obtain.
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The other interesting thing about those NSL figures is that a percentage of those numbers are non-seated as many of the venues don't have that many seats.
Like others have already said, the AL and NSL is not a like for like comparison. A lot has changed between the 90s and now. There was basically zero FTA broadcast for the NSL until the final couple of years on SBS. Marketing was also non-existent. If you wanted to watch a game you had to go. If you wanted to know when a game was on you needed to look at a printed schedule or a newspaper. The internet was in its infancy and was not in everyone's pocket. Social media was only starting to catch on when the NSL ended. Those NSL numbers are largely word-of-mouth generated. However, it was also a time when people had less options. There is so much more to do now than there was then. There was also far less distractions. Back in 2001 if my Nokia 3310 had the ability to meet girls via Tinder, I would have spent way less time going to the football.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xyer that so...... Hernandez, Finkler, Flores,Berisha, FBK, Toivonen, Honda say hello plus you could add half a doz more for eg.....sure do have some impact. Sitting from the SFC fence and observations I don't think its the fans stomping up and down for marquee's but the owner always wanting to cash in more than any other point and to kick the league off, Lowy would have had huge influence regards this for the league and SFC. They set the gaunlet that has stuck since Blingfc that in the big picture alot never liked the phrase but for the fair wethered base and waggoners. The press play its role as well. of course great players do, but no real big name stars there imo building long term community roots imo is what garners support, however young kids probably want to see superstars. The conflict of a franchise league hey! My only point is that MV showed it's possible to build a massive following from fans and solid LOYAL PLAYERS - this merry go round does not help. I'd argue melbourne was it's strongest and most watchable with the solid players for a five year period - Roddy, Archie, Muscat etc Do you think victory crowds recover the next year or two or do you think this year was a fatal wound? I don't believe anything is fatal besides death :) But the club is at a low point, I can't see it getting much better with Popa, after the fans crap I think half the fans don't even care about anything from other supporters to the team. Over time though things change, people will forget bucket boy and and bad results are a distant memory. Hard to see it getting the interest it had in those early years though Bucket man vs peter hore we have had some serious pests hold the league back hope victory recover we have only really had four clubs, especially victory, that have had much bigger crowds than the nsl.i dont think p and r works unless we have a buffer division. i dont think a second division works unless you have a top division with at least a few clubs capable of packing stadiums. I dont think we really challenge the top teams in world football consistently till we have p and r. So Victory recovering is pretty darn important. They are about as important to oz football as the rangers are to scotland - their league became a farce when rangers went down several divisions It is interesting to look at attendance over the final years of the NSL. The average attendance at the NSL over its final 3 seasons was 4,380. In that period seven of the 12 clubs averaged less than the Bulls now. One club, Perth, averaged in excess of 10,000. The best attended clubs were Perth, Adelaide and Newcastle with South slightly behind Newcastle. Attendance had been dwindling for a while and the clubs had been reducing player payments. It was known that the NSL was to be reformatted. Similarly the A-League attendance has been dwindling for several years and on top of that attendances were severely affected by the worst pandemic in a century dropping down to the low to mid 5,000s. This season attendance has increased substantially and there is no reason to think that the improvement will not continue provided the League is well managed. How close it gets to 10,000 per game will depend on how quickly Victory regains its fans and whether the previous slow reduction will continue. A second issue is that any expansion is likely to increase total attendance but reduce average attendance. The last 3 seasons of the NSL aren't a fair representation of how popular the league was overall, but it's a good shout that it depicts how fans responded when they knew the league was being shuttered. I used to keep extensive stats but gave up when I gave up on the AL. But for what it's worth, some stats for the more popular (and not AL convert) NSL clubs in the last years. In terms of crowd numbers and the talent they produced, some of these clubs don't just compete with some AL clubs like Macarthur..... they absolutely shit on them. | Sydney Olympic | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 6,322 | 7,061 | 4,166 | 5,269 | 5,650 | 5,954 | 5,641 | 3,572 | 3,115 | | | | | | | | | | | Brisbane Strikers | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 5,059 | 5,077 | 3,963 | 4,489 | 3,196 | 2,014 | 3,515 | 2,103 | 2,566 | | | | | | | | | | | Adelaide City | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 4,446 | 4,737 | 4,616 | 4,623 | 5,173 | 3,688 | 3,111 | 2,570 | | | | | | | | | | | | Sydney United | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 4,340 | 5,920 | 3,645 | 4,516 | 3,304 | 4,087 | 3,775 | 3,336 | 2,799 | | | | | | | | | | | South Melbourne | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 6,177 | 7,377 | 6,247 | 8,330 | 6,565 | 8,001 | 6,012 | 4,963 | 6,832 | | | | | | | | | | | Wollongong Wolves | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 2,873 | 4,764 | 5,453 | 3,560 | 5,007 | 5,104 | 3,403 | 3,025 | 2,569 | | | | | | | | | | | Marconi | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 5,018 | 5,786 | 4,849 | 5,239 | 4,830 | 3,991 | 3,153 | 2,487 | 2,008 | | | | | | | | | | | Melbourne Knights | | 95/96 | 96/97 | 97/98 | 98/99 | 99/00 | 00/01 | 01/02 | 02/03 | 03/04 | | 4,437 | 4,986 | 4,295 | 3,343 | 4,141 | 4,917 | 4,119 | 4,010 | 2,885 |
Imagine if we even get those numbers in the last three years in the nst
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+x+x+x+x+x+xOf course everyone likes to see players who can dribble past defenders at pace as this is the ultimate skill of a footballer. ( scoring a goal is the bonus).However the passing game is best suited for most players even professionals.The best teams have outstanding dribblers as well as a smart passing game-to whit Barcelona with Messi. There are some very good dribblers in the A-league-Arzani,Piscopo,Ninkovic and O'Shea to name a few but most players are passers as they have been taught since junior days.The problem with the A-league is that many players have a very average first touch and while they can control the ball if not pressured and then pass this slows down attacking momentum and lacks the cut and thrust of the top European and South American teams.However the new generation of players-Kuol( Garang),Segecic,Irankunda,Archie Goodwin,Robertson,Wilson( from Victory) and quite a few others have a very good first touch and thus they are in a better position to take on a defender or more time to put in a telling pass.Therefore the standard of the league should continue to rise as these players with attacking potential get their chances.As long as the media shines some light on these players interest will grow and hopefully increase crowd attendances and viewing numbers. All of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. I mean this process was always going to take time to bear fruit, I guess these dutch coaches that were here knew what they were doing all along... I gather you are both heavily invested in this Dutch Curriculum bearing fruit for one reason or another but do you think it has? I must be missing something fundamental because not really seeing any technical improvement at youth level, nor Olyroos nor NTs.... Who are these players blessed with excellent first touch you are talking about??? The NC has made a massive difference. I can speak as a practitioner of the old system and the new, having undertaken coach education in both eras. We wouldn't have made 5 successive WCs, finished 11th in Qatar, plus won the Asian Cup in 2015, without the new system. First touch isn't the only facet of technique. There is also handling speed, running with the ball, 1v1 attacking and defensive skills, and, striking the ball. Moreover, in terms of football performance, technique ( with 5 aspects of it) isn't the only game specific football performance factor attributed to winning games. One also needs to add game sense, communication, mental strength and football conditioning. Thank you ever so much for mansplaining technique. barca's comments where specifically about first touch and dribbling... Again just wanting to see example os players you both think have achieved these lofty heights.... Barca4Life - 11 Apr 2023 8:05 AMBooney - 11 Apr 2023 12:07 AMAll of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong.
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+xThe other interesting thing about those NSL figures is that a percentage of those numbers are non-seated as many of the venues don't have that many seats. Like others have already said, the AL and NSL is not a like for like comparison. A lot has changed between the 90s and now. There was basically zero FTA broadcast for the NSL until the final couple of years on SBS. Marketing was also non-existent. If you wanted to watch a game you had to go. If you wanted to know when a game was on you needed to look at a printed schedule or a newspaper. The internet was in its infancy and was not in everyone's pocket. Social media was only starting to catch on when the NSL ended. Those NSL numbers are largely word-of-mouth generated. However, it was also a time when people had less options. There is so much more to do now than there was then. There was also far less distractions. Back in 2001 if my Nokia 3310 had the ability to meet girls via Tinder, I would have spent way less time going to the football. Ah the ol Nokia 3310 ... gave millions of young men a legitimate excuse to "play snake" in the toilets on their lunch break :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPuts on helmet and risks the outrange of many.... by posting about the MLS If there is a competition destined to fail it’s the MLS according to countless, journalist, opinion makers, many Football people, almost everybody outside MLS folk. Using a weather report to describe MLS, it would be cold, wet, gloomy, dismal miserable, guismil & glum. Most must think I have lost my marbles, we all know, it’s a retirement league, a giant ponzi scheme, a plastic league, soulless. Yet in 2022 with a media deal worth only 65 million MLS turnover was 1.85 billion or put another way the media deal was 3.6% of revenue. This year with 29 teams turnover with a new 300 million media deal will be over 2.3 billion. How they did this is worth analysis… because of work I had to do I needed to look at the MLS and then kinda got into their management …. The essence or say core of MLS thinking and all if not most decisions are fan focused…. MLS don't want to lose fans and they wish to grow there fan base . at the very heart of major decisions the MLS look at how fans will react ...
Last year over 10 million thu the gate with stadiums over all teams averaging over 94% capacity…. The big take away is they make almost all their revenue via fans…. I can say what they did and show some vids if people want…. The A-League needs to average 15k and the leadership and management of most clubs is lacking. ... as a league we place to much emphasise on broadcasting and broadcasters needs... we play 156 games just assume we averaged 10k more thats 1.56 million and @ $ 25.00 per ticket thats 37.5 million extra... increased crowds also brings in higher sponsorships and generally more media coverage... Someone posted earlier .. "" A house Divided against itself will fall over""" very true.... we don't seem to have the leadership to connect to the park teams nor offer a vision for the future that people will get behind... The A-L needs a fan focused decision making model approach .... increasing the fan base will lift all other metrics ... That's well and good but have a look at this list of players the MLS has ( Chiellini doesn't earn enough to make this list) Enzo From around 2000 to 2004 the MLS was near bankruptcy and could not afford the players on your list and remember this is round 6 I think this year ... have a look at the guy that scores a hat trick his second and third goals just class and the first was not bad either.... goals if you can't watch the full 5 minutes are at app....1:30 and 3:40 and 4:35. MLS build to this level.... and I keep repeating it is based largely on a fan focused decision making model.... AnyWho... LA V Austin as an example ... would love the scorer in the A-l... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa7TvfhaFYY&ab_channel=MajorLeagueSoccer Of course its a fan-based model. Bring in top players- Villa, Pirlo, Gerrard, Lampard, Ibrahimovic- and the fans will love you for it. But notice the pattern-one marquee follows another, who follows another, who follows another. Unlike the A-League- "we spent $4 mill once on Del Peiro, and we only got 5 years worth of boosted attendances, tv ratings, media attention and merch. What a waste. Lets never do that again. Best to give the fans Jack Clisby at his twelfth A-League club. That's who the fans want to watch". he don't get it....... By the way with pop @ 390M most sports get a look in just depends the level re USA. MLS is a pauper (still) in the big picture like us here due to other codes farfar more mainstream and supported but used as a yardstick is not in our best interest regards to a pure football model. The sugar hits will forever keep going in the MLS due to the amount of billionaire type owners who just as here only have concerns for their product not the game as a whole. The NFL's total 2022 revenue was $18 billion, an increase from $12.2 billion in 2020 compared to MLS. Sponsorship revenue totaled $2.05B across the 32 NFL teams in the 2022-2023 season–a new league record, and a 14% increase year-over-year. When combined with the league as a whole, total sponsorship revenue was $2.7B Then you could check NBA/NHL again would be streaks ahead of MLS. I agree our governers need to put more focus on the "fans" and NOT follow MLS for its typically USA whereas we the small country we are have more links/gens with EU and failed league or not (NSL) foundations entrenched by efffnics - huge diff to USA's DNA. The focus should be on the broken foundation we have, its there for the taking with the right people/remodel instead of following anything USA. Then the people will come with more unity. he don't get it.... then the reason why... I am not suggesting we follow an MLS model.... I am suggesting the MLS have a decision making model that focuses on fans... by making the decision that most of their revenue would come from fans and that losing fans was a no no and getting new fans was essential they have grown a lot from where they were... yes they are small compared to grid iron and basketball, baseball and hockey... but equally both basketball, baseball & hockey play thousands of games each year .. The take away is a decision making processes that puts fans at the core is the way the A-L should go... that does not mean copy MLS BTW ... it means copying the mythology . ah ok, maybe I read your posts too MLS directive. OK copy a piece/portions of its mythology, sure - look no doubt from our end the core supporters have been pulled from pillar to post, treated like crims near on tbh. Down to SU58 or Rockdale or even if trouble down in grass roots it gets media, if there is one whiff or minor trouble it has been put up front and centre and pressure applied our Admin to charge and throw the keys out might I add. How they have ripped any active group has been game experience suppressive, real shame the game keepers react instead of being reactive. hhhhmmmmm To steal your line... you just don't get it... The MLS have a decision making process that is """""FAN FOCUSED"""" on the basic that in time all other metrics will lift if the fan base and with fans sponsors keep lifting... If Australian Footballs over-lords made decisions with how will the fans react and how do we get extra fans... in time admins get smart.... You may totally disagree with the following vid its from the mid teens... and was part of a series called """The Movement""" they had close to 50 of em.... IMO it highlights the gap.... its about Atlanta and moving to a new stadium which BTW they average around 50K .... its roughly 12 minutes long, and it talks about Rap Music, Eating places, Culture, Tattoos, Trifo's, kids playing Football... the new stadium... and shows at best maybe a minute of Football.... they identified some fans and kinda made Football a lifestyle decision for the young... as I said you may very much dislike it but by the holy mother this vid and a lot of other things have this team in redneck USA averaging around 50K per match.... You don't have to copy the model to copy a decision making model and some of the things they have done.... If you want the vid I posted about above... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4eM0tcMzD4&t=24s&ab_channel=MajorLeagueSoccer Mid, I think you have a few of us confused by "terminology" Personally i agree with you, that video of yours about Atlanta is a perfect example of club utilising its knowledge of an existing fan base/demographic/region call it what you will to improve its revenue... Thats great I think the Aleague clubs can learn alot from something like this... maybe not as crassly commercial but its not my concern its up to each individual club to "define" themselves... Please dont think it is "fan focused" though it is "customer focused" they are two very separate things.... The MLS as an organisation though, makes the lions share of its revenue from selling licenses (thus the calls of disparagement about it being nothing but a ponzi scheme) This just cant happen (or at least for every much longer) in Australia we dont have the population, nor the endless available "markets" to make this appealing... Clubs should via away from this franchsie model and go their own path. The "customers" they have tried (and failed in the large) to attract to their game from the hordes of sports mad Aussies don't seem to want to follow soccer. The only logical conclusion (at least in my eyes) is to turn towards the hundreds of thousands that already know and love the game of soccer in this country. The thousands that dont need convincing that football is a good "lifestyle" choice... https://medium.com/@isaac_krasny/unpacking-the-major-league-soccer-business-model-827f4b784bcdHave a quick read of the above, most is fairly common knowledge. But One thing I didnt note in any of this is any refercne to improving the actual soccer being played on the pitch, or youth development, or National team ..... How does Major League Soccer make money?They sell soccer. The product is the game. They pay players to battle it out week after week for your entertainment. You pay to watch this in the stadium, or you pay for a cable package to watch it on your TV, or you buy MLS Live to stream the games. Soccer is the key product. MLS has to make a game that is attractive, interesting, and convincing enough to get you to make the trip, or at least tune in for 90 minutes.
Thanks but no thanks. Last year MLS revenue was 1.85 billion... with 28 teams.... media deal 65 million..... 1.85 billion is One thousand eight hundred and fifty million dollars..... you seriously believe the lions share of that money comes from licence fees .... articles like the one you referenced are everywhere and have become folk law... but any analysis of the actual says different... This year with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal revenue is expected to exceed 2.3 billion.... or two thousand three hundred million.... this year St Louis paid 200 million to get in.... 200 million is around 8.6% of total revenue.... hardly the lions share.... With an average ticket price between 50 & 65 and over 10 million fans ... crowd revenue is around 600 million... not counting food and drink sales at their stadiums which they own.... plus all their stadiums have naming rights sponsors... then their is there sponsors.... and they also connect sponsors with fans and take a percentage off the top....add shirt sales and special day events etc... The only point I am making is the MLS has learnt how earn huge revenues via creating a fan base... and thats based on a Fans First decision making model.... the belief that it lives off licence fees is rubbish... not saying its not an important part but the lions share simply not so... 8.6 % of revenue is nothing to ignore but neither is it make or break... For the billionth time I am not suggesting an MLS model... I am suggesting the fan focused decision making model is by however its viewed impressive.... and one Australian professional should look at and IMO copy... An example of sponsorship is a 830 million deal with Adidas recently signed for Seven years or close to 119 million per year... Im not disagreeing with you mate... OK maybe "lions share" is a touch of an exaggeration however their "model" is centralised to leverage all of these "opportunities" That is what APL is trying to do with their breakwaay control of the league and one which, because of many reasons, I think will be hard to do here... Anyhow, doing it "the MLS" way discourages all the other benefits to the overall football ecosystem which (I think) we all want... Money for investors is great for those who benefit from it but it doesnt grow the game overall...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xPuts on helmet and risks the outrange of many.... by posting about the MLS If there is a competition destined to fail it’s the MLS according to countless, journalist, opinion makers, many Football people, almost everybody outside MLS folk. Using a weather report to describe MLS, it would be cold, wet, gloomy, dismal miserable, guismil & glum. Most must think I have lost my marbles, we all know, it’s a retirement league, a giant ponzi scheme, a plastic league, soulless. Yet in 2022 with a media deal worth only 65 million MLS turnover was 1.85 billion or put another way the media deal was 3.6% of revenue. This year with 29 teams turnover with a new 300 million media deal will be over 2.3 billion. How they did this is worth analysis… because of work I had to do I needed to look at the MLS and then kinda got into their management …. The essence or say core of MLS thinking and all if not most decisions are fan focused…. MLS don't want to lose fans and they wish to grow there fan base . at the very heart of major decisions the MLS look at how fans will react ...
Last year over 10 million thu the gate with stadiums over all teams averaging over 94% capacity…. The big take away is they make almost all their revenue via fans…. I can say what they did and show some vids if people want…. The A-League needs to average 15k and the leadership and management of most clubs is lacking. ... as a league we place to much emphasise on broadcasting and broadcasters needs... we play 156 games just assume we averaged 10k more thats 1.56 million and @ $ 25.00 per ticket thats 37.5 million extra... increased crowds also brings in higher sponsorships and generally more media coverage... Someone posted earlier .. "" A house Divided against itself will fall over""" very true.... we don't seem to have the leadership to connect to the park teams nor offer a vision for the future that people will get behind... The A-L needs a fan focused decision making model approach .... increasing the fan base will lift all other metrics ... That's well and good but have a look at this list of players the MLS has ( Chiellini doesn't earn enough to make this list) Enzo From around 2000 to 2004 the MLS was near bankruptcy and could not afford the players on your list and remember this is round 6 I think this year ... have a look at the guy that scores a hat trick his second and third goals just class and the first was not bad either.... goals if you can't watch the full 5 minutes are at app....1:30 and 3:40 and 4:35. MLS build to this level.... and I keep repeating it is based largely on a fan focused decision making model.... AnyWho... LA V Austin as an example ... would love the scorer in the A-l... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa7TvfhaFYY&ab_channel=MajorLeagueSoccer Of course its a fan-based model. Bring in top players- Villa, Pirlo, Gerrard, Lampard, Ibrahimovic- and the fans will love you for it. But notice the pattern-one marquee follows another, who follows another, who follows another. Unlike the A-League- "we spent $4 mill once on Del Peiro, and we only got 5 years worth of boosted attendances, tv ratings, media attention and merch. What a waste. Lets never do that again. Best to give the fans Jack Clisby at his twelfth A-League club. That's who the fans want to watch". he don't get it....... By the way with pop @ 390M most sports get a look in just depends the level re USA. MLS is a pauper (still) in the big picture like us here due to other codes farfar more mainstream and supported but used as a yardstick is not in our best interest regards to a pure football model. The sugar hits will forever keep going in the MLS due to the amount of billionaire type owners who just as here only have concerns for their product not the game as a whole. The NFL's total 2022 revenue was $18 billion, an increase from $12.2 billion in 2020 compared to MLS. Sponsorship revenue totaled $2.05B across the 32 NFL teams in the 2022-2023 season–a new league record, and a 14% increase year-over-year. When combined with the league as a whole, total sponsorship revenue was $2.7B Then you could check NBA/NHL again would be streaks ahead of MLS. I agree our governers need to put more focus on the "fans" and NOT follow MLS for its typically USA whereas we the small country we are have more links/gens with EU and failed league or not (NSL) foundations entrenched by efffnics - huge diff to USA's DNA. The focus should be on the broken foundation we have, its there for the taking with the right people/remodel instead of following anything USA. Then the people will come with more unity. he don't get it.... then the reason why... I am not suggesting we follow an MLS model.... I am suggesting the MLS have a decision making model that focuses on fans... by making the decision that most of their revenue would come from fans and that losing fans was a no no and getting new fans was essential they have grown a lot from where they were... yes they are small compared to grid iron and basketball, baseball and hockey... but equally both basketball, baseball & hockey play thousands of games each year .. The take away is a decision making processes that puts fans at the core is the way the A-L should go... that does not mean copy MLS BTW ... it means copying the mythology . ah ok, maybe I read your posts too MLS directive. OK copy a piece/portions of its mythology, sure - look no doubt from our end the core supporters have been pulled from pillar to post, treated like crims near on tbh. Down to SU58 or Rockdale or even if trouble down in grass roots it gets media, if there is one whiff or minor trouble it has been put up front and centre and pressure applied our Admin to charge and throw the keys out might I add. How they have ripped any active group has been game experience suppressive, real shame the game keepers react instead of being reactive. hhhhmmmmm To steal your line... you just don't get it... The MLS have a decision making process that is """""FAN FOCUSED"""" on the basic that in time all other metrics will lift if the fan base and with fans sponsors keep lifting... If Australian Footballs over-lords made decisions with how will the fans react and how do we get extra fans... in time admins get smart.... You may totally disagree with the following vid its from the mid teens... and was part of a series called """The Movement""" they had close to 50 of em.... IMO it highlights the gap.... its about Atlanta and moving to a new stadium which BTW they average around 50K .... its roughly 12 minutes long, and it talks about Rap Music, Eating places, Culture, Tattoos, Trifo's, kids playing Football... the new stadium... and shows at best maybe a minute of Football.... they identified some fans and kinda made Football a lifestyle decision for the young... as I said you may very much dislike it but by the holy mother this vid and a lot of other things have this team in redneck USA averaging around 50K per match.... You don't have to copy the model to copy a decision making model and some of the things they have done.... If you want the vid I posted about above... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4eM0tcMzD4&t=24s&ab_channel=MajorLeagueSoccer Mid, I think you have a few of us confused by "terminology" Personally i agree with you, that video of yours about Atlanta is a perfect example of club utilising its knowledge of an existing fan base/demographic/region call it what you will to improve its revenue... Thats great I think the Aleague clubs can learn alot from something like this... maybe not as crassly commercial but its not my concern its up to each individual club to "define" themselves... Please dont think it is "fan focused" though it is "customer focused" they are two very separate things.... The MLS as an organisation though, makes the lions share of its revenue from selling licenses (thus the calls of disparagement about it being nothing but a ponzi scheme) This just cant happen (or at least for every much longer) in Australia we dont have the population, nor the endless available "markets" to make this appealing... Clubs should via away from this franchsie model and go their own path. The "customers" they have tried (and failed in the large) to attract to their game from the hordes of sports mad Aussies don't seem to want to follow soccer. The only logical conclusion (at least in my eyes) is to turn towards the hundreds of thousands that already know and love the game of soccer in this country. The thousands that dont need convincing that football is a good "lifestyle" choice... https://medium.com/@isaac_krasny/unpacking-the-major-league-soccer-business-model-827f4b784bcdHave a quick read of the above, most is fairly common knowledge. But One thing I didnt note in any of this is any refercne to improving the actual soccer being played on the pitch, or youth development, or National team ..... How does Major League Soccer make money?They sell soccer. The product is the game. They pay players to battle it out week after week for your entertainment. You pay to watch this in the stadium, or you pay for a cable package to watch it on your TV, or you buy MLS Live to stream the games. Soccer is the key product. MLS has to make a game that is attractive, interesting, and convincing enough to get you to make the trip, or at least tune in for 90 minutes.
Thanks but no thanks. Last year MLS revenue was 1.85 billion... with 28 teams.... media deal 65 million..... 1.85 billion is One thousand eight hundred and fifty million dollars..... you seriously believe the lions share of that money comes from licence fees .... articles like the one you referenced are everywhere and have become folk law... but any analysis of the actual says different... This year with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal revenue is expected to exceed 2.3 billion.... or two thousand three hundred million.... this year St Louis paid 200 million to get in.... 200 million is around 8.6% of total revenue.... hardly the lions share.... With an average ticket price between 50 & 65 and over 10 million fans ... crowd revenue is around 600 million... not counting food and drink sales at their stadiums which they own.... plus all their stadiums have naming rights sponsors... then their is there sponsors.... and they also connect sponsors with fans and take a percentage off the top....add shirt sales and special day events etc... The only point I am making is the MLS has learnt how earn huge revenues via creating a fan base... and thats based on a Fans First decision making model.... the belief that it lives off licence fees is rubbish... not saying its not an important part but the lions share simply not so... 8.6 % of revenue is nothing to ignore but neither is it make or break... For the billionth time I am not suggesting an MLS model... I am suggesting the fan focused decision making model is by however its viewed impressive.... and one Australian professional should look at and IMO copy... An example of sponsorship is a 830 million deal with Adidas recently signed for Seven years or close to 119 million per year... Im not disagreeing with you mate... OK maybe "lions share" is a touch of an exaggeration however their "model" is centralised to leverage all of these "opportunities" That is what APL is trying to do with their breakwaay control of the league and one which, because of many reasons, I think will be hard to do here... Anyhow, doing it "the MLS" way discourages all the other benefits to the overall football ecosystem which (I think) we all want... Money for investors is great for those who benefit from it but it doesnt grow the game overall... yep sense to me MSC. We get where Mid is coming from, fan/supporter focussed engagement model. It has merit and obviously supporters here need poking to return or first timers in the hope the product gets them to comeback having a good experience. Point is we are NOT mericans who need bells and whistles as "juicers or whatever" for eg on Club decisions member forums used to be held by SFC, I suspect other did and is it still occurring ? I went to a couple back int he day and came out thinking it was just a PR excercise showing hey we want to hear from you but they made up their own mind in any case. On a side note I've been to a number of US sports in my time, its a PR/commercial excercise, thats what they are brought up with, a gridiron game is meant to be a total of 60 or 90mins - 15min qrtrs. Trouble is with all the changes/marketing/marketing etcetc your there for 4bloody hours like afl. Fark that. Nascar race, your there all day but its only 1 race in the arvo. We need the NST for the existing Clubs that already have foundations and the medium to get it out there (as its supposedly doing so) - then let the fish where the fish are come for a feed. (not just the regulars) The game is the drawcard from the local areas, how many of the exisiting Club families do not bother going to their NPL1/2 game due to other commitments made but if there was something for their Club to play for, better marketing, broadcaster, P/R etc in the future some would change their intinerary no doubt about it. As for the APL - thats on its own to survive with its current model, I look (may attend a game now and then), listen read but without anything to lose it just not the football DNA I long for or the game. IF they follow the MLS lead or as per a MLS Clubs marketing fan focussed stratergy to gain bums on seats good luck to them. I suspect it will be forever ongoing peaks and valleys. How does the current bottom 6 Franchise's in the current format fill their stadiums with nothing to play for ?
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The NSL numbers are far better than the detractors make out (especially for the top half dozen clubs).
They never had great coverage, and in the last couple of seasons, everyone knew they were about to get wound up,
The other thing is that in its last three seasons, it actually had 13 clubs competing (the A-League took 16 years just to get up to 12 clubs), but in 2000 it actually had 16 clubs competing.
In the mid 80s, barely 8 years after it started up, it actually had 24 clubs competing!
How long to you reckon it will take for the A-League to get up to 24 clubs??
And always remember, it ceased to exist because Lowy had the authority to wind it up (and did precisley that), it didn't cease to exist of its own accord.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOf course everyone likes to see players who can dribble past defenders at pace as this is the ultimate skill of a footballer. ( scoring a goal is the bonus).However the passing game is best suited for most players even professionals.The best teams have outstanding dribblers as well as a smart passing game-to whit Barcelona with Messi. There are some very good dribblers in the A-league-Arzani,Piscopo,Ninkovic and O'Shea to name a few but most players are passers as they have been taught since junior days.The problem with the A-league is that many players have a very average first touch and while they can control the ball if not pressured and then pass this slows down attacking momentum and lacks the cut and thrust of the top European and South American teams.However the new generation of players-Kuol( Garang),Segecic,Irankunda,Archie Goodwin,Robertson,Wilson( from Victory) and quite a few others have a very good first touch and thus they are in a better position to take on a defender or more time to put in a telling pass.Therefore the standard of the league should continue to rise as these players with attacking potential get their chances.As long as the media shines some light on these players interest will grow and hopefully increase crowd attendances and viewing numbers. All of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. I mean this process was always going to take time to bear fruit, I guess these dutch coaches that were here knew what they were doing all along... I gather you are both heavily invested in this Dutch Curriculum bearing fruit for one reason or another but do you think it has? I must be missing something fundamental because not really seeing any technical improvement at youth level, nor Olyroos nor NTs.... Who are these players blessed with excellent first touch you are talking about??? The NC has made a massive difference. I can speak as a practitioner of the old system and the new, having undertaken coach education in both eras. We wouldn't have made 5 successive WCs, finished 11th in Qatar, plus won the Asian Cup in 2015, without the new system. First touch isn't the only facet of technique. There is also handling speed, running with the ball, 1v1 attacking and defensive skills, and, striking the ball. Moreover, in terms of football performance, technique ( with 5 aspects of it) isn't the only game specific football performance factor attributed to winning games. One also needs to add game sense, communication, mental strength and football conditioning. Thank you ever so much for mansplaining technique. barca's comments where specifically about first touch and dribbling... Again just wanting to see example os players you both think have achieved these lofty heights.... Barca4Life - 11 Apr 2023 8:05 AMBooney - 11 Apr 2023 12:07 AMAll of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. Are you a woman out of curiosity?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOf course everyone likes to see players who can dribble past defenders at pace as this is the ultimate skill of a footballer. ( scoring a goal is the bonus).However the passing game is best suited for most players even professionals.The best teams have outstanding dribblers as well as a smart passing game-to whit Barcelona with Messi. There are some very good dribblers in the A-league-Arzani,Piscopo,Ninkovic and O'Shea to name a few but most players are passers as they have been taught since junior days.The problem with the A-league is that many players have a very average first touch and while they can control the ball if not pressured and then pass this slows down attacking momentum and lacks the cut and thrust of the top European and South American teams.However the new generation of players-Kuol( Garang),Segecic,Irankunda,Archie Goodwin,Robertson,Wilson( from Victory) and quite a few others have a very good first touch and thus they are in a better position to take on a defender or more time to put in a telling pass.Therefore the standard of the league should continue to rise as these players with attacking potential get their chances.As long as the media shines some light on these players interest will grow and hopefully increase crowd attendances and viewing numbers. All of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. I mean this process was always going to take time to bear fruit, I guess these dutch coaches that were here knew what they were doing all along... I gather you are both heavily invested in this Dutch Curriculum bearing fruit for one reason or another but do you think it has? I must be missing something fundamental because not really seeing any technical improvement at youth level, nor Olyroos nor NTs.... Who are these players blessed with excellent first touch you are talking about??? The NC has made a massive difference. I can speak as a practitioner of the old system and the new, having undertaken coach education in both eras. We wouldn't have made 5 successive WCs, finished 11th in Qatar, plus won the Asian Cup in 2015, without the new system. First touch isn't the only facet of technique. There is also handling speed, running with the ball, 1v1 attacking and defensive skills, and, striking the ball. Moreover, in terms of football performance, technique ( with 5 aspects of it) isn't the only game specific football performance factor attributed to winning games. One also needs to add game sense, communication, mental strength and football conditioning. Thank you ever so much for mansplaining technique. barca's comments where specifically about first touch and dribbling... Again just wanting to see example os players you both think have achieved these lofty heights.... Barca4Life - 11 Apr 2023 8:05 AMBooney - 11 Apr 2023 12:07 AMAll of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. Are you a woman out of curiosity? "Cherchez la femme" perhaps?
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+xThe NSL numbers are far better than the detractors make out (especially for the top half dozen clubs). They never had great coverage, and in the last couple of seasons, everyone knew they were about to get wound up, The other thing is that in its last three seasons, it actually had 13 clubs competing (the A-League took 16 years just to get up to 12 clubs), but in 2000 it actually had 16 clubs competing. In the mid 80s, barely 8 years after it started up, it actually had 24 clubs competing! How long to you reckon it will take for the A-League to get up to 24 clubs?? And always remember, it ceased to exist because Lowy had the authority to wind it up (and did precisley that), it didn't cease to exist of its own accord. Moving to 24 clubs was a disaster though and was junked after three seasons. The late 1990s was a period of genuine hope for the NSL, with Perth and then Northern Spirit getting massive crowds and even the legacy clubs ticking along healthily. The hope was this would continue with the new clubs in Auckland and Parramatta, but neither of them took off, and then the failure to qualify for the World Cup began to take its toll and clubs like Carlton, Gippsland and Canberra went bankrupt.
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+xThe NSL numbers are far better than the detractors make out (especially for the top half dozen clubs). They never had great coverage, and in the last couple of seasons, everyone knew they were about to get wound up, The other thing is that in its last three seasons, it actually had 13 clubs competing (the A-League took 16 years just to get up to 12 clubs), but in 2000 it actually had 16 clubs competing. In the mid 80s, barely 8 years after it started up, it actually had 24 clubs competing! How long to you reckon it will take for the A-League to get up to 24 clubs?? And always remember, it ceased to exist because Lowy had the authority to wind it up (and did precisley that), it didn't cease to exist of its own accord. "Shrinking crowds led to the radical move of introducing more teams" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Soccer_League:hehe::hehe::hehe:The NSL tried everything to be relevant; oscillating between summer and winter, first pass the post and finals, conference north and south, p and r, this, that the other. Citing 24 teams as some example of its success is just plain deranged. NSL crowds were always abysmal. The only decent drawers were Glory, South and Adelaide in the final seasons when everyone knew it was gonna die. Even South were a bit sketchy. It's been a rough couple seasons for the A league post covid, but that doesnt change the fact the A league at its lowest is still better than the NSL at its best. Next year we will see significant improvement, Victory will bounce back , Perth back playing at home, hopefully WU will be playing out of their training facility and maybe more on their stadium, expansion picking up steam. The term "bounce back".. completely foreign to the NSL. It was dismal year after year.
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+x+xThe NSL numbers are far better than the detractors make out (especially for the top half dozen clubs). They never had great coverage, and in the last couple of seasons, everyone knew they were about to get wound up, The other thing is that in its last three seasons, it actually had 13 clubs competing (the A-League took 16 years just to get up to 12 clubs), but in 2000 it actually had 16 clubs competing. In the mid 80s, barely 8 years after it started up, it actually had 24 clubs competing! How long to you reckon it will take for the A-League to get up to 24 clubs?? And always remember, it ceased to exist because Lowy had the authority to wind it up (and did precisley that), it didn't cease to exist of its own accord. "Shrinking crowds led to the radical move of introducing more teams" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Soccer_League:hehe::hehe::hehe:The NSL tried everything to be relevant; oscillating between summer and winter, first pass the post and finals, conference north and south, p and r, this, that the other. Citing 24 teams as some example of its success is just plain deranged. NSL crowds were always abysmal. The only decent drawers were Glory, South and Adelaide in the final seasons when everyone knew it was gonna die. Even South were a bit sketchy. It's been a rough couple seasons for the A league post covid, but that doesnt change the fact the A league at its lowest is still better than the NSL at its best. Next year we will see significant improvement, Victory will bounce back , Perth back playing at home, hopefully WU will be playing out of their training facility and maybe more on their stadium, expansion picking up steam. The term "bounce back".. completely foreign to the NSL. It was dismal year after year. Was perth and adelaides success partly due to the nsl finishing? why are perths crowds smaller than during the nsl?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xOf course everyone likes to see players who can dribble past defenders at pace as this is the ultimate skill of a footballer. ( scoring a goal is the bonus).However the passing game is best suited for most players even professionals.The best teams have outstanding dribblers as well as a smart passing game-to whit Barcelona with Messi. There are some very good dribblers in the A-league-Arzani,Piscopo,Ninkovic and O'Shea to name a few but most players are passers as they have been taught since junior days.The problem with the A-league is that many players have a very average first touch and while they can control the ball if not pressured and then pass this slows down attacking momentum and lacks the cut and thrust of the top European and South American teams.However the new generation of players-Kuol( Garang),Segecic,Irankunda,Archie Goodwin,Robertson,Wilson( from Victory) and quite a few others have a very good first touch and thus they are in a better position to take on a defender or more time to put in a telling pass.Therefore the standard of the league should continue to rise as these players with attacking potential get their chances.As long as the media shines some light on these players interest will grow and hopefully increase crowd attendances and viewing numbers. All of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. I mean this process was always going to take time to bear fruit, I guess these dutch coaches that were here knew what they were doing all along... I gather you are both heavily invested in this Dutch Curriculum bearing fruit for one reason or another but do you think it has? I must be missing something fundamental because not really seeing any technical improvement at youth level, nor Olyroos nor NTs.... Who are these players blessed with excellent first touch you are talking about??? The NC has made a massive difference. I can speak as a practitioner of the old system and the new, having undertaken coach education in both eras. We wouldn't have made 5 successive WCs, finished 11th in Qatar, plus won the Asian Cup in 2015, without the new system. First touch isn't the only facet of technique. There is also handling speed, running with the ball, 1v1 attacking and defensive skills, and, striking the ball. Moreover, in terms of football performance, technique ( with 5 aspects of it) isn't the only game specific football performance factor attributed to winning games. One also needs to add game sense, communication, mental strength and football conditioning. The NC was only created in 2009, and would have taken some time for it to be fully adopted everywhere. I don't believe any of our world cup qualifications or asian cup victories are due to the NC. We should be judging it off players who fully came through the system so a player would have been no more than 5 years old at the beginning of the NC.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOf course everyone likes to see players who can dribble past defenders at pace as this is the ultimate skill of a footballer. ( scoring a goal is the bonus).However the passing game is best suited for most players even professionals.The best teams have outstanding dribblers as well as a smart passing game-to whit Barcelona with Messi. There are some very good dribblers in the A-league-Arzani,Piscopo,Ninkovic and O'Shea to name a few but most players are passers as they have been taught since junior days.The problem with the A-league is that many players have a very average first touch and while they can control the ball if not pressured and then pass this slows down attacking momentum and lacks the cut and thrust of the top European and South American teams.However the new generation of players-Kuol( Garang),Segecic,Irankunda,Archie Goodwin,Robertson,Wilson( from Victory) and quite a few others have a very good first touch and thus they are in a better position to take on a defender or more time to put in a telling pass.Therefore the standard of the league should continue to rise as these players with attacking potential get their chances.As long as the media shines some light on these players interest will grow and hopefully increase crowd attendances and viewing numbers. All of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. I mean this process was always going to take time to bear fruit, I guess these dutch coaches that were here knew what they were doing all along... I gather you are both heavily invested in this Dutch Curriculum bearing fruit for one reason or another but do you think it has? I must be missing something fundamental because not really seeing any technical improvement at youth level, nor Olyroos nor NTs.... Who are these players blessed with excellent first touch you are talking about??? The NC has made a massive difference. I can speak as a practitioner of the old system and the new, having undertaken coach education in both eras. We wouldn't have made 5 successive WCs, finished 11th in Qatar, plus won the Asian Cup in 2015, without the new system. First touch isn't the only facet of technique. There is also handling speed, running with the ball, 1v1 attacking and defensive skills, and, striking the ball. Moreover, in terms of football performance, technique ( with 5 aspects of it) isn't the only game specific football performance factor attributed to winning games. One also needs to add game sense, communication, mental strength and football conditioning. The NC was only created in 2009, and would have taken some time for it to be fully adopted everywhere. I don't believe any of our world cup qualifications or asian cup victories are due to the NC. We should be judging it off players who fully came through the system so a player would have been no more than 5 years old at the beginning of the NC. Confirmation bias writ large.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOf course everyone likes to see players who can dribble past defenders at pace as this is the ultimate skill of a footballer. ( scoring a goal is the bonus).However the passing game is best suited for most players even professionals.The best teams have outstanding dribblers as well as a smart passing game-to whit Barcelona with Messi. There are some very good dribblers in the A-league-Arzani,Piscopo,Ninkovic and O'Shea to name a few but most players are passers as they have been taught since junior days.The problem with the A-league is that many players have a very average first touch and while they can control the ball if not pressured and then pass this slows down attacking momentum and lacks the cut and thrust of the top European and South American teams.However the new generation of players-Kuol( Garang),Segecic,Irankunda,Archie Goodwin,Robertson,Wilson( from Victory) and quite a few others have a very good first touch and thus they are in a better position to take on a defender or more time to put in a telling pass.Therefore the standard of the league should continue to rise as these players with attacking potential get their chances.As long as the media shines some light on these players interest will grow and hopefully increase crowd attendances and viewing numbers. All of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. I mean this process was always going to take time to bear fruit, I guess these dutch coaches that were here knew what they were doing all along... I gather you are both heavily invested in this Dutch Curriculum bearing fruit for one reason or another but do you think it has? I must be missing something fundamental because not really seeing any technical improvement at youth level, nor Olyroos nor NTs.... Who are these players blessed with excellent first touch you are talking about??? The NC has made a massive difference. I can speak as a practitioner of the old system and the new, having undertaken coach education in both eras. We wouldn't have made 5 successive WCs, finished 11th in Qatar, plus won the Asian Cup in 2015, without the new system. First touch isn't the only facet of technique. There is also handling speed, running with the ball, 1v1 attacking and defensive skills, and, striking the ball. Moreover, in terms of football performance, technique ( with 5 aspects of it) isn't the only game specific football performance factor attributed to winning games. One also needs to add game sense, communication, mental strength and football conditioning. The NC was only created in 2009, and would have taken some time for it to be fully adopted everywhere. I don't believe any of our world cup qualifications or asian cup victories are due to the NC. We should be judging it off players who fully came through the system so a player would have been no more than 5 years old at the beginning of the NC. Confirmation bias writ large. Your just not looking at things through the prism of football specific performance criteria Muz :)
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+x+x+xThe NSL numbers are far better than the detractors make out (especially for the top half dozen clubs). They never had great coverage, and in the last couple of seasons, everyone knew they were about to get wound up, The other thing is that in its last three seasons, it actually had 13 clubs competing (the A-League took 16 years just to get up to 12 clubs), but in 2000 it actually had 16 clubs competing. In the mid 80s, barely 8 years after it started up, it actually had 24 clubs competing! How long to you reckon it will take for the A-League to get up to 24 clubs?? And always remember, it ceased to exist because Lowy had the authority to wind it up (and did precisley that), it didn't cease to exist of its own accord. "Shrinking crowds led to the radical move of introducing more teams" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Soccer_League:hehe::hehe::hehe:The NSL tried everything to be relevant; oscillating between summer and winter, first pass the post and finals, conference north and south, p and r, this, that the other. Citing 24 teams as some example of its success is just plain deranged. NSL crowds were always abysmal. The only decent drawers were Glory, South and Adelaide in the final seasons when everyone knew it was gonna die. Even South were a bit sketchy. It's been a rough couple seasons for the A league post covid, but that doesnt change the fact the A league at its lowest is still better than the NSL at its best. Next year we will see significant improvement, Victory will bounce back , Perth back playing at home, hopefully WU will be playing out of their training facility and maybe more on their stadium, expansion picking up steam. The term "bounce back".. completely foreign to the NSL. It was dismal year after year. Was perth and adelaides success partly due to the nsl finishing? why are perths crowds smaller than during the nsl? Take away the grand finals and Perth's highest home/away attendance was 25 years ago!!!!!!!! Attendances[edit]
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+x+x+x+x+xPuts on helmet and risks the outrange of many.... by posting about the MLS If there is a competition destined to fail it’s the MLS according to countless, journalist, opinion makers, many Football people, almost everybody outside MLS folk. Using a weather report to describe MLS, it would be cold, wet, gloomy, dismal miserable, guismil & glum. Most must think I have lost my marbles, we all know, it’s a retirement league, a giant ponzi scheme, a plastic league, soulless. Yet in 2022 with a media deal worth only 65 million MLS turnover was 1.85 billion or put another way the media deal was 3.6% of revenue. This year with 29 teams turnover with a new 300 million media deal will be over 2.3 billion. How they did this is worth analysis… because of work I had to do I needed to look at the MLS and then kinda got into their management …. The essence or say core of MLS thinking and all if not most decisions are fan focused…. MLS don't want to lose fans and they wish to grow there fan base . at the very heart of major decisions the MLS look at how fans will react ...
Last year over 10 million thu the gate with stadiums over all teams averaging over 94% capacity…. The big take away is they make almost all their revenue via fans…. I can say what they did and show some vids if people want…. The A-League needs to average 15k and the leadership and management of most clubs is lacking. ... as a league we place to much emphasise on broadcasting and broadcasters needs... we play 156 games just assume we averaged 10k more thats 1.56 million and @ $ 25.00 per ticket thats 37.5 million extra... increased crowds also brings in higher sponsorships and generally more media coverage... Someone posted earlier .. "" A house Divided against itself will fall over""" very true.... we don't seem to have the leadership to connect to the park teams nor offer a vision for the future that people will get behind... The A-L needs a fan focused decision making model approach .... increasing the fan base will lift all other metrics ... That's well and good but have a look at this list of players the MLS has ( Chiellini doesn't earn enough to make this list) Enzo From around 2000 to 2004 the MLS was near bankruptcy and could not afford the players on your list and remember this is round 6 I think this year ... have a look at the guy that scores a hat trick his second and third goals just class and the first was not bad either.... goals if you can't watch the full 5 minutes are at app....1:30 and 3:40 and 4:35. MLS build to this level.... and I keep repeating it is based largely on a fan focused decision making model.... AnyWho... LA V Austin as an example ... would love the scorer in the A-l... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa7TvfhaFYY&ab_channel=MajorLeagueSoccer Of course its a fan-based model. Bring in top players- Villa, Pirlo, Gerrard, Lampard, Ibrahimovic- and the fans will love you for it. But notice the pattern-one marquee follows another, who follows another, who follows another. Unlike the A-League- "we spent $4 mill once on Del Peiro, and we only got 5 years worth of boosted attendances, tv ratings, media attention and merch. What a waste. Lets never do that again. Best to give the fans Jack Clisby at his twelfth A-League club. That's who the fans want to watch". he don't get it....... By the way with pop @ 390M most sports get a look in just depends the level re USA. MLS is a pauper (still) in the big picture like us here due to other codes farfar more mainstream and supported but used as a yardstick is not in our best interest regards to a pure football model. The sugar hits will forever keep going in the MLS due to the amount of billionaire type owners who just as here only have concerns for their product not the game as a whole. The NFL's total 2022 revenue was $18 billion, an increase from $12.2 billion in 2020 compared to MLS. Sponsorship revenue totaled $2.05B across the 32 NFL teams in the 2022-2023 season–a new league record, and a 14% increase year-over-year. When combined with the league as a whole, total sponsorship revenue was $2.7B Then you could check NBA/NHL again would be streaks ahead of MLS. I agree our governers need to put more focus on the "fans" and NOT follow MLS for its typically USA whereas we the small country we are have more links/gens with EU and failed league or not (NSL) foundations entrenched by efffnics - huge diff to USA's DNA. The focus should be on the broken foundation we have, its there for the taking with the right people/remodel instead of following anything USA. Then the people will come with more unity. If every sport gets a "look-in ", why was football in the US so shit for so long (and failed previously)? What is this "pure football model" you speak of? As for connections to the EU, 2 in 3 Aussies were born here. They a generation or two or more removed form those EU connections. The two big (non-UK) ethnics, the Italians and Greeks who were born overseas total 1% of the population. Combined. There are more people born in Nepal than born in Greece living here. The Effniks are basically irrelevant.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOf course everyone likes to see players who can dribble past defenders at pace as this is the ultimate skill of a footballer. ( scoring a goal is the bonus).However the passing game is best suited for most players even professionals.The best teams have outstanding dribblers as well as a smart passing game-to whit Barcelona with Messi. There are some very good dribblers in the A-league-Arzani,Piscopo,Ninkovic and O'Shea to name a few but most players are passers as they have been taught since junior days.The problem with the A-league is that many players have a very average first touch and while they can control the ball if not pressured and then pass this slows down attacking momentum and lacks the cut and thrust of the top European and South American teams.However the new generation of players-Kuol( Garang),Segecic,Irankunda,Archie Goodwin,Robertson,Wilson( from Victory) and quite a few others have a very good first touch and thus they are in a better position to take on a defender or more time to put in a telling pass.Therefore the standard of the league should continue to rise as these players with attacking potential get their chances.As long as the media shines some light on these players interest will grow and hopefully increase crowd attendances and viewing numbers. All of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. I mean this process was always going to take time to bear fruit, I guess these dutch coaches that were here knew what they were doing all along... I gather you are both heavily invested in this Dutch Curriculum bearing fruit for one reason or another but do you think it has? I must be missing something fundamental because not really seeing any technical improvement at youth level, nor Olyroos nor NTs.... Who are these players blessed with excellent first touch you are talking about??? The NC has made a massive difference. I can speak as a practitioner of the old system and the new, having undertaken coach education in both eras. We wouldn't have made 5 successive WCs, finished 11th in Qatar, plus won the Asian Cup in 2015, without the new system. First touch isn't the only facet of technique. There is also handling speed, running with the ball, 1v1 attacking and defensive skills, and, striking the ball. Moreover, in terms of football performance, technique ( with 5 aspects of it) isn't the only game specific football performance factor attributed to winning games. One also needs to add game sense, communication, mental strength and football conditioning. The NC was only created in 2009, and would have taken some time for it to be fully adopted everywhere. I don't believe any of our world cup qualifications or asian cup victories are due to the NC. We should be judging it off players who fully came through the system so a player would have been no more than 5 years old at the beginning of the NC. Why?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOf course everyone likes to see players who can dribble past defenders at pace as this is the ultimate skill of a footballer. ( scoring a goal is the bonus).However the passing game is best suited for most players even professionals.The best teams have outstanding dribblers as well as a smart passing game-to whit Barcelona with Messi. There are some very good dribblers in the A-league-Arzani,Piscopo,Ninkovic and O'Shea to name a few but most players are passers as they have been taught since junior days.The problem with the A-league is that many players have a very average first touch and while they can control the ball if not pressured and then pass this slows down attacking momentum and lacks the cut and thrust of the top European and South American teams.However the new generation of players-Kuol( Garang),Segecic,Irankunda,Archie Goodwin,Robertson,Wilson( from Victory) and quite a few others have a very good first touch and thus they are in a better position to take on a defender or more time to put in a telling pass.Therefore the standard of the league should continue to rise as these players with attacking potential get their chances.As long as the media shines some light on these players interest will grow and hopefully increase crowd attendances and viewing numbers. All of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. I mean this process was always going to take time to bear fruit, I guess these dutch coaches that were here knew what they were doing all along... I gather you are both heavily invested in this Dutch Curriculum bearing fruit for one reason or another but do you think it has? I must be missing something fundamental because not really seeing any technical improvement at youth level, nor Olyroos nor NTs.... Who are these players blessed with excellent first touch you are talking about??? The NC has made a massive difference. I can speak as a practitioner of the old system and the new, having undertaken coach education in both eras. We wouldn't have made 5 successive WCs, finished 11th in Qatar, plus won the Asian Cup in 2015, without the new system. First touch isn't the only facet of technique. There is also handling speed, running with the ball, 1v1 attacking and defensive skills, and, striking the ball. Moreover, in terms of football performance, technique ( with 5 aspects of it) isn't the only game specific football performance factor attributed to winning games. One also needs to add game sense, communication, mental strength and football conditioning. The NC was only created in 2009, and would have taken some time for it to be fully adopted everywhere. I don't believe any of our world cup qualifications or asian cup victories are due to the NC. We should be judging it off players who fully came through the system so a player would have been no more than 5 years old at the beginning of the NC. Confirmation bias writ large. Your just not looking at things through the prism of football specific performance criteria Muz :) I hope Pasquali doesn't think I was having a crack at him. Apparently moving to the Asian confederation has nothing to do with us qualifying for the last 4 world cups.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xTotal season attendances peaked with Del Piero's ( and Ono and Heskey) two seasons and remained level for another 3 seasons. That's 5 seasons of peak attendances. Sydney FC's average attendance increase by around 5,500 in Del Piero first season alone The there's the TV ratings, the merch, the media interest boost Genuine star players improve the league substantially and contrary to common opinion that this uplift continues for a period after they leave ( but not forever, obviously). However the league benchmark for the first ten years never had one.
Unless you count Thompson, Muscat or Hernandez. All we need is another city of 5 million with no A-League club Its no co-incidence Victory's average went from 22k to 15k the season Heart came in ( who averaged 8k themselves) Geoff Lord was an absolute genius when he insisted his club be the only one in a city of 5+ million. . But your point was about marques not populated cities - the crowd had already dropped about 5k a year before heart too so what was that drop for? It also went up a few thousand again the year after Heart formed so with such data there is not much to be interpreted imo Having a team in a populated city is just common sense really You brought Victory into it, an irrelevant point given that they not only had sports-mad Melbourne all to themselves but the second most-populous State in the nation (hence their name-Victoria) all to themselves. This should never have happened. Marquees have had zero impact in Victoria and Victoria was the best supported for 75% of the a-league. So, no - marquess are a sugar hit but not for long term growth. MV have shown that. Your points can be easliy contradicted by looking at other teams and success over teh 20 year period. Marquees might work for flashy sydney, but other markets have other interests. You don't hear MV fans demanding some superstar. It simply is not needed. You seem to imply something authentic about Victory and its fanbase that's absent with other clubs. Victory was and is just another plastic franchise. There was no reason whatsoever that a football fan in Victoria would follow Victory, other than that they were the only option in the second biggest state in the country for at least 5 years. As for not needing marquees, your club did in fact did exactly that, but Honda and Nani are not Del Piero.
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+x+x+xThe NSL numbers are far better than the detractors make out (especially for the top half dozen clubs). They never had great coverage, and in the last couple of seasons, everyone knew they were about to get wound up, The other thing is that in its last three seasons, it actually had 13 clubs competing (the A-League took 16 years just to get up to 12 clubs), but in 2000 it actually had 16 clubs competing. In the mid 80s, barely 8 years after it started up, it actually had 24 clubs competing! How long to you reckon it will take for the A-League to get up to 24 clubs?? And always remember, it ceased to exist because Lowy had the authority to wind it up (and did precisley that), it didn't cease to exist of its own accord. "Shrinking crowds led to the radical move of introducing more teams" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Soccer_League:hehe::hehe::hehe:The NSL tried everything to be relevant; oscillating between summer and winter, first pass the post and finals, conference north and south, p and r, this, that the other. Citing 24 teams as some example of its success is just plain deranged. NSL crowds were always abysmal. The only decent drawers were Glory, South and Adelaide in the final seasons when everyone knew it was gonna die. Even South were a bit sketchy. It's been a rough couple seasons for the A league post covid, but that doesnt change the fact the A league at its lowest is still better than the NSL at its best. Next year we will see significant improvement, Victory will bounce back , Perth back playing at home, hopefully WU will be playing out of their training facility and maybe more on their stadium, expansion picking up steam. The term "bounce back".. completely foreign to the NSL. It was dismal year after year. Was perth and adelaides success partly due to the nsl finishing? why are perths crowds smaller than during the nsl? Adelaide's success was due to being our first year. It was an outright bandwagon. I remember at one point that season we had 3 distinct active support groups - one at the north end, two at the south. At the north end you were likely surrounded by people with grassroots connections to the local game. At the south end it was basically a who's who of SANFL supporters who loved being in a crowd for what was basically $2 more than an SANFL adult GA ticket at the time. In those days, following SANFL was the best ticket in town which wasn't AFL and the SANFL was anti AFL in its DNA. Going to the soccer and getting that atmosphere was like Christmas to these folks who had already spent the last 10 years avoiding 40,000+ AFL big match atmosphere for crowds of 3-6,000 at their local SANFL ground. When the AL and its pro ticket prices came in, these people were the first out and haven't returned. That's natural, they were always going to fall away once the novelty wore off. Perth was the classic big fish in a small pond. The fan base really thrived on that. The club didn't transition to the AL era well on the park and that flowed through to attendances. Also, there was a big change in the costs to attend games. From memory, I think I was paying at least twice the price for an AL ticket compared to NSL for Adelaide United. The increase was warranted for the change in quality on the park, but for Perth fans who were already watching a professional team in the NSL, the jump wasn't so great (although they obviously had a whole lot of better opposition to watch). Perth have at times had a resurgence in attendance when the team was perofrming well, but you feel like it can't match its NSL glory (no pun intended), so they won't scale those same heights. Personally, I think the club should just focus on the tide lifting all boats rather than mourning how good they were...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOf course everyone likes to see players who can dribble past defenders at pace as this is the ultimate skill of a footballer. ( scoring a goal is the bonus).However the passing game is best suited for most players even professionals.The best teams have outstanding dribblers as well as a smart passing game-to whit Barcelona with Messi. There are some very good dribblers in the A-league-Arzani,Piscopo,Ninkovic and O'Shea to name a few but most players are passers as they have been taught since junior days.The problem with the A-league is that many players have a very average first touch and while they can control the ball if not pressured and then pass this slows down attacking momentum and lacks the cut and thrust of the top European and South American teams.However the new generation of players-Kuol( Garang),Segecic,Irankunda,Archie Goodwin,Robertson,Wilson( from Victory) and quite a few others have a very good first touch and thus they are in a better position to take on a defender or more time to put in a telling pass.Therefore the standard of the league should continue to rise as these players with attacking potential get their chances.As long as the media shines some light on these players interest will grow and hopefully increase crowd attendances and viewing numbers. All of those young players from this generation that have great first touches and dribbling have benefited from the national curriculum which was brought in 12 years ago, so in a way its not a surprise to see this large improvement. It might be an idea for all those naysayers of the National Curriculum, to put their hand up and admit they were wrong. I mean this process was always going to take time to bear fruit, I guess these dutch coaches that were here knew what they were doing all along... I gather you are both heavily invested in this Dutch Curriculum bearing fruit for one reason or another but do you think it has? I must be missing something fundamental because not really seeing any technical improvement at youth level, nor Olyroos nor NTs.... Who are these players blessed with excellent first touch you are talking about??? The NC has made a massive difference. I can speak as a practitioner of the old system and the new, having undertaken coach education in both eras. We wouldn't have made 5 successive WCs, finished 11th in Qatar, plus won the Asian Cup in 2015, without the new system. First touch isn't the only facet of technique. There is also handling speed, running with the ball, 1v1 attacking and defensive skills, and, striking the ball. Moreover, in terms of football performance, technique ( with 5 aspects of it) isn't the only game specific football performance factor attributed to winning games. One also needs to add game sense, communication, mental strength and football conditioning. The NC was only created in 2009, and would have taken some time for it to be fully adopted everywhere. I don't believe any of our world cup qualifications or asian cup victories are due to the NC. We should be judging it off players who fully came through the system so a player would have been no more than 5 years old at the beginning of the NC. Confirmation bias writ large. Your just not looking at things through the prism of football specific performance criteria Muz :) I hope Pasquali doesn't think I was having a crack at him. Apparently moving to the Asian confederation has nothing to do with us qualifying for the last 4 world cups. It has something but for two of those 4 we still had two play offs against non-Asian nations, who weren't the worst we've played off and lost against in our history, .Argentina and Uruguay are often mentioned as if that's the standard of the opponents in the NSL days, but we also failed against NZ, Israel, and Scotland in those days.
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+x+x+x+xThe NSL numbers are far better than the detractors make out (especially for the top half dozen clubs). They never had great coverage, and in the last couple of seasons, everyone knew they were about to get wound up, The other thing is that in its last three seasons, it actually had 13 clubs competing (the A-League took 16 years just to get up to 12 clubs), but in 2000 it actually had 16 clubs competing. In the mid 80s, barely 8 years after it started up, it actually had 24 clubs competing! How long to you reckon it will take for the A-League to get up to 24 clubs?? And always remember, it ceased to exist because Lowy had the authority to wind it up (and did precisley that), it didn't cease to exist of its own accord. "Shrinking crowds led to the radical move of introducing more teams" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Soccer_League:hehe::hehe::hehe:The NSL tried everything to be relevant; oscillating between summer and winter, first pass the post and finals, conference north and south, p and r, this, that the other. Citing 24 teams as some example of its success is just plain deranged. NSL crowds were always abysmal. The only decent drawers were Glory, South and Adelaide in the final seasons when everyone knew it was gonna die. Even South were a bit sketchy. It's been a rough couple seasons for the A league post covid, but that doesnt change the fact the A league at its lowest is still better than the NSL at its best. Next year we will see significant improvement, Victory will bounce back , Perth back playing at home, hopefully WU will be playing out of their training facility and maybe more on their stadium, expansion picking up steam. The term "bounce back".. completely foreign to the NSL. It was dismal year after year. Was perth and adelaides success partly due to the nsl finishing? why are perths crowds smaller than during the nsl? Take away the grand finals and Perth's highest home/away attendance was 25 years ago!!!!!!!! Attendances[edit] Its a remarkable record, that Glory's highest attendance goes back to the 90s (in the NSL) and that their lowest is in the A-League era, some 24 yrs later (with Perth's population having doubled in the meantime and gone through a long lasting economic boom). Similarly, most of the highest transfer market records for an Australian player go back to the 90s.
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