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+x+x+x+x+xAnd Graz, I think we have learnt Rugari isn’t worth any cred so wouldn’t bother reading what he says. I'm glad there is any football media at all, even if he is a bit of a sean hannity lately We all saw what happened to old mate Janakan and his fake slavic ex NSL financial wizard... hahahahahahahah What on earth is this about? I have to hear about this one haha! I'm here for storytime with Mono 🤓 https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2970986/JAccuse-Janakan-Seemampillai#bm2975332 What a friggen fraud!!! What the hell was he thinking? And working for Preston at the time. Talk about Mensa stuff.
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+xLove this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph... Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch. yep and as MSC mentions What Do We SEE As Success ???? We are FOOTBALL no ?. About time and long overdue we show and do what/who our CODE really is ?! NOT AFL/NRL/Franchise's - its JJ's time to set the path what FOOTBALL IS in Australia, FA your the Governance, stop playing politics and treading lightly to cover your backs and the threats from the resisters. Set the directive for the game below APL, they run their own course the rest of the eco system needs to finally get the course and vision of unity as hard as it will be but it needs the start, first big leap forward, the balls of a leader/CEO. Its gonna hurt and be a rough ride but the game, the countless people involved/Clubs will move with the current I have no doubt about it. I'm dreaming as always Guus as well :) Plus, if CL comes to be the con to the founding NST Clubs, say NO. Forget it, wait another bloody decade :(
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAnd Graz, I think we have learnt Rugari isn’t worth any cred so wouldn’t bother reading what he says. I'm glad there is any football media at all, even if he is a bit of a sean hannity lately We all saw what happened to old mate Janakan and his fake slavic ex NSL financial wizard... hahahahahahahah What on earth is this about? I have to hear about this one haha! I'm here for storytime with Mono 🤓 https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2970986/JAccuse-Janakan-Seemampillai#bm2975332 What a friggen fraud!!! What the hell was he thinking? And working for Preston at the time. Talk about Mensa stuff. YEP that he was - worse it saddens me seeing some great posters of the past agreeing with it might I add not around here anymore. Wish AJF was though.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnd Graz, I think we have learnt Rugari isn’t worth any cred so wouldn’t bother reading what he says. I'm glad there is any football media at all, even if he is a bit of a sean hannity lately We all saw what happened to old mate Janakan and his fake slavic ex NSL financial wizard... hahahahahahahah What on earth is this about? I have to hear about this one haha! I'm here for storytime with Mono 🤓 https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2970986/JAccuse-Janakan-Seemampillai#bm2975332 What a friggen fraud!!! What the hell was he thinking? And working for Preston at the time. Talk about Mensa stuff. YEP that he was - worse it saddens me seeing some great posters of the past agreeing with it might I add not around here anymore. Wish AJF was though. was ajf from anarchy? Thought he was for some reason
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+x+xLove this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph... Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch. 100000% astute observation Mid... Ive asked you this before too, "WHAT DO WE SEE AS SUCCESS?" Thats the 64 billion dollar question. A couple of givens, first a strong player base with decent development models, second quality national teams preforming well in major tournaments.. AS to the middle bit i.e. away from park Football leading to national selection is the clusterfuck ... What gets in the way of many discussions in this area is the dismissal of any idea or comment that does not fit with the particular group or ideals a person or a group have. IMO a classic example is, we are the number four code behind Cricket, AFL & NRL and in NSW & QLD rugby union also draws fans... further these codes are entrenched extremely well connected to government & business with large traditional fan bases and plenty of media support. However use this as an example to tread carefully is often met with outrage as being unimportant and comments like we are not unique... there are many other examples... IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal, for me 36 teams across two divisions, playing mid February to early December, with no salary cap, and internal transfer fees.... to this I would add each team would need to be a community team representing a number of their local area clubs.... after achieving this goal new goals could be set.... the plan would be result based rather than time based, so if achieved in five years or twenty years as long as steady and measurable progress was being made...
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+x+x+xLove this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph... Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch. 100000% astute observation Mid... Ive asked you this before too, "WHAT DO WE SEE AS SUCCESS?" Thats the 64 billion dollar question. A couple of givens, first a strong player base with decent development models, second quality national teams preforming well in major tournaments.. AS to the middle bit i.e. away from park Football leading to national selection is the clusterfuck ... What gets in the way of many discussions in this area is the dismissal of any idea or comment that does not fit with the particular group or ideals a person or a group have. IMO a classic example is, we are the number four code behind Cricket, AFL & NRL and in NSW & QLD rugby union also draws fans... further these codes are entrenched extremely well connected to government & business with large traditional fan bases and plenty of media support. However use this as an example to tread carefully is often met with outrage as being unimportant and comments like we are not unique... there are many other examples... IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal, for me 36 teams across two divisions, playing mid February to early December, with no salary cap, and internal transfer fees.... to this I would add each team would need to be a community team representing a number of their local area clubs.... after achieving this goal new goals could be set.... the plan would be result based rather than time based, so if achieved in five years or twenty years as long as steady and measurable progress was being made... Well said Mid Last 2 paragraphs great points. Like I’ve said - JJ set the path, any path that sets a course to friggin somewhere. Yep be it 5yrs or 10, see where it needs tweaks make them but at least we get somewhere instead of the same one that currently stands.
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+x+x+xLove this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph... Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch. 100000% astute observation Mid... Ive asked you this before too, "WHAT DO WE SEE AS SUCCESS?" IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal, for me 36 teams across two divisions, playing mid February to early December, with no salary cap, and internal transfer fees.... to this I would add each team would need to be a community team representing a number of their local area clubs.... after achieving this goal new goals could be set.... the plan would be result based rather than time based, so if achieved in five years or twenty years as long as steady and measurable progress was being made... Disagree wholeheartedly , that's just franchise football again, Restrictions in place and nothing able to evolve whilst some magic number of clubs in some magic geographic representation hasn't been acheived. Sounds just like the last 20 years. Set in place a full pyramid system FIRST, Set MINIMUM REASONABLE standards for Spectator and Player safety, let the clubs improve THEMSELVES as much as THEIR ambition allows Size and make up of each League can grow or contract quickly, easily and most of all FAIRLY to respond to the conditions of the time Clubs that put in the effort and organise themselves well are ALLOWED to prosper, regardless of whether there's another good club in the suburb next door And before the worrymongers chime in. I don't care how it turns out, as I don't think it really matters. But WHATEVER, it'll be FASCINATING to watch and FOOTBALL NEVER DIES Better than the POLISHED TURD we have now
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+x+x+x+xLove this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph... Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch. 100000% astute observation Mid... Ive asked you this before too, "WHAT DO WE SEE AS SUCCESS?" IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal, for me 36 teams across two divisions, playing mid February to early December, with no salary cap, and internal transfer fees.... to this I would add each team would need to be a community team representing a number of their local area clubs.... after achieving this goal new goals could be set.... the plan would be result based rather than time based, so if achieved in five years or twenty years as long as steady and measurable progress was being made... Disagree wholeheartedly , that's just franchise football again, Restrictions in place and nothing able to evolve whilst some magic number of clubs in some magic geographic representation hasn't been acheived. Sounds just like the last 20 years. Set in place a full pyramid system FIRST, Set MINIMUM REASONABLE standards for Spectator and Player safety, let the clubs improve THEMSELVES as much as THEIR ambition allows Size and make up of each League can grow or contract quickly, easily and most of all FAIRLY to respond to the conditions of the time Clubs that put in the effort and organise themselves well are ALLOWED to prosper, regardless of whether there's another good club in the suburb next door And before the worrymongers chime in. I don't care how it turns out, as I don't think it really matters. But WHATEVER, it'll be FASCINATING to watch and FOOTBALL NEVER DIES Better than the POLISHED TURD we have now +1
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+x+x+xLove this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph... Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch. 100000% astute observation Mid... Ive asked you this before too, "WHAT DO WE SEE AS SUCCESS?" Thats the 64 billion dollar question. A couple of givens, first a strong player base with decent development models, second quality national teams preforming well in major tournaments.. AS to the middle bit i.e. away from park Football leading to national selection is the clusterfuck ... What gets in the way of many discussions in this area is the dismissal of any idea or comment that does not fit with the particular group or ideals a person or a group have. IMO a classic example is, we are the number four code behind Cricket, AFL & NRL and in NSW & QLD rugby union also draws fans... further these codes are entrenched extremely well connected to government & business with large traditional fan bases and plenty of media support. However use this as an example to tread carefully is often met with outrage as being unimportant and comments like we are not unique... there are many other examples... IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal, for me 36 teams across two divisions, playing mid February to early December, with no salary cap, and internal transfer fees.... to this I would add each team would need to be a community team representing a number of their local area clubs.... after achieving this goal new goals could be set.... the plan would be result based rather than time based, so if achieved in five years or twenty years as long as steady and measurable progress was being made... Hey mid, it shouldn't be the "dismissal of ideas" you worry about rather the path those ideas are aiming towards... at least in my opinion. Sorry I dont agree with your closed shop 36 representative geographic franchises model but thats the thing really we ALL want different things out of the game and that will NEVER change. I believe that the fundamental building block of and towards football is the THE FOOTBALL CLUB .... What that club is or represents or operates as is a function of the driving forces behind it... I dont think having geographic rep clubs serves any purpose other than to monetise the profits for a select few "investors" and freezes out any possible ambition from thousands of passionate volunteers and fans... Maybe I dont understand your argument, are you saying that in Sydney for example football clubs like Sydney United, Rockdale, APIA and Bonnyrigg are to be "represented" by WSW? How?
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+x+x+x+xLove this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph... Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch. 100000% astute observation Mid... Ive asked you this before too, "WHAT DO WE SEE AS SUCCESS?" Thats the 64 billion dollar question. A couple of givens, first a strong player base with decent development models, second quality national teams preforming well in major tournaments.. AS to the middle bit i.e. away from park Football leading to national selection is the clusterfuck ... What gets in the way of many discussions in this area is the dismissal of any idea or comment that does not fit with the particular group or ideals a person or a group have. IMO a classic example is, we are the number four code behind Cricket, AFL & NRL and in NSW & QLD rugby union also draws fans... further these codes are entrenched extremely well connected to government & business with large traditional fan bases and plenty of media support. However use this as an example to tread carefully is often met with outrage as being unimportant and comments like we are not unique... there are many other examples... IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal, for me 36 teams across two divisions, playing mid February to early December, with no salary cap, and internal transfer fees.... to this I would add each team would need to be a community team representing a number of their local area clubs.... after achieving this goal new goals could be set.... the plan would be result based rather than time based, so if achieved in five years or twenty years as long as steady and measurable progress was being made... Well said Mid Last 2 paragraphs great points. Like I’ve said - JJ set the path, any path that sets a course to friggin somewhere. Yep be it 5yrs or 10, see where it needs tweaks make them but at least we get somewhere instead of the same one that currently stands. Sorry mate, you dont really believe that we are a number 4 code in this country do you? You of all people who (And Im making a huge assumption here) 90% of the pople you know are 100% football mad.... APLs enemy isnt NRL, AFl or cricket mate.... it is losing fans to EPL, Natinal Aussie team ONLY supporters, Tiktok kids chasing their idols around from club to club and grassroots football supporters who would rather volunteer at their clubs than participate in an in-authentic product.... Dont worry aboyt the 20 million Aussies that think soccer is for "Sheilas, wogs and poofters" they need to figure out how to engage the 7 million who think football is the be all and end all of sport....
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+x+x+x+x+xLove this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph... Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch. 100000% astute observation Mid... Ive asked you this before too, "WHAT DO WE SEE AS SUCCESS?" Thats the 64 billion dollar question. A couple of givens, first a strong player base with decent development models, second quality national teams preforming well in major tournaments.. AS to the middle bit i.e. away from park Football leading to national selection is the clusterfuck ... What gets in the way of many discussions in this area is the dismissal of any idea or comment that does not fit with the particular group or ideals a person or a group have. IMO a classic example is, we are the number four code behind Cricket, AFL & NRL and in NSW & QLD rugby union also draws fans... further these codes are entrenched extremely well connected to government & business with large traditional fan bases and plenty of media support. However use this as an example to tread carefully is often met with outrage as being unimportant and comments like we are not unique... there are many other examples... IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal, for me 36 teams across two divisions, playing mid February to early December, with no salary cap, and internal transfer fees.... to this I would add each team would need to be a community team representing a number of their local area clubs.... after achieving this goal new goals could be set.... the plan would be result based rather than time based, so if achieved in five years or twenty years as long as steady and measurable progress was being made... Well said Mid Last 2 paragraphs great points. Like I’ve said - JJ set the path, any path that sets a course to friggin somewhere. Yep be it 5yrs or 10, see where it needs tweaks make them but at least we get somewhere instead of the same one that currently stands. Sorry mate, you dont really believe that we are a number 4 code in this country do you? You of all people who (And Im making a huge assumption here) 90% of the pople you know are 100% football mad.... APLs enemy isnt NRL, AFl or cricket mate.... it is losing fans to EPL, Natinal Aussie team ONLY supporters, Tiktok kids chasing their idols around from club to club and grassroots football supporters who would rather volunteer at their clubs than participate in an in-authentic product.... Dont worry aboyt the 20 million Aussies that think soccer is for "Sheilas, wogs and poofters" they need to figure out how to engage the 7 million who think football is the be all and end all of sport.... I get yours and numkl's posts. My response to Mid was on the last 2 paragraphs of his "generally" that it takes too long typing away to state myself more clearly, my bad. "Bits" I agree of his comments : The main opposing codes get the Lions share of funding, be it gov or business groups - that where we lack for one, I agree with his comment. Those codes are an issue purely by the entrenched support and mates and mates saying lets go to such and such game. Media support, as we know we are very thin there, imo thats also a duty the FA fail - we can't rely on these rugari types, the FA need to put out alot more info, no matter what, news, updates, flying the flag more of our OS aussies, I don't care what but the more you put out the more the general public see something. More advertising of the Aus Cup, end of season is amongst us where is updates of every NPL1 leading into the minor prem status, the finals. The Feds do f all but their own websites and SM that obviously only those involved like us know. Like who is JJ to the general punter ? a ghost who only appears come WC WWC - etc, yet we see your alf code blokes on news, NRL and cricket honchos in the press here and there. Next point in Mids last paragraph : "IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal"Like I've said in previous post, JJ give us something once and for all !!!!!!!!!! your the bloody leader of a massive following of the game and participants and you tippy toe behind closed doors meeting after meeting, report after report - set up a model for the game to advance for chrsits sake.. I don't agree with Mids model suggestions APL down whatsoever. I'm all for the usual pyrimad like 99% everywhere else. I've said there is no easy ride, it will be cluster f for some years but at least set down the footprint/model importantly the directive. The Feds have to be put in their place or at least their power halved somehow. The flack will be huge but when isn't it when your restructuring. Nah EPL etc isn't the scorn people crap on about, those against EPL/OS football/euorsnob as some call it here are just pissed/react because its so much better to watch (besides its not comparing apples with apples) hence being offended of their Franchise football. Back in our NSL or whatever days we never cared if some people luv their OS football more, whats the big deal, its just became a thorn in the side of the new dawners from the banter. Countless of us grass roots players/followers will flow on to the NST/NSD intro - even those who hardly follow NPL but play football will get some interest relating to more local Club backgrounds bit by bit. I'd sooner watch a local Club near my area striving to make their way up to NST instead of any franchise game and I'm sure I am not alone. It will take alot of time, as Mid mentions set the plan, be it 5yrs - 10yrs tweak it (another point he made I agree with) but it will come, its long ball game not a short game. Fark too long a post and messy, got too much work to do.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xLove this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph... Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch. 100000% astute observation Mid... Ive asked you this before too, "WHAT DO WE SEE AS SUCCESS?" Thats the 64 billion dollar question. A couple of givens, first a strong player base with decent development models, second quality national teams preforming well in major tournaments.. AS to the middle bit i.e. away from park Football leading to national selection is the clusterfuck ... What gets in the way of many discussions in this area is the dismissal of any idea or comment that does not fit with the particular group or ideals a person or a group have. IMO a classic example is, we are the number four code behind Cricket, AFL & NRL and in NSW & QLD rugby union also draws fans... further these codes are entrenched extremely well connected to government & business with large traditional fan bases and plenty of media support. However use this as an example to tread carefully is often met with outrage as being unimportant and comments like we are not unique... there are many other examples... IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal, for me 36 teams across two divisions, playing mid February to early December, with no salary cap, and internal transfer fees.... to this I would add each team would need to be a community team representing a number of their local area clubs.... after achieving this goal new goals could be set.... the plan would be result based rather than time based, so if achieved in five years or twenty years as long as steady and measurable progress was being made... Well said Mid Last 2 paragraphs great points. Like I’ve said - JJ set the path, any path that sets a course to friggin somewhere. Yep be it 5yrs or 10, see where it needs tweaks make them but at least we get somewhere instead of the same one that currently stands. Sorry mate, you dont really believe that we are a number 4 code in this country do you? You of all people who (And Im making a huge assumption here) 90% of the pople you know are 100% football mad.... APLs enemy isnt NRL, AFl or cricket mate.... it is losing fans to EPL, Natinal Aussie team ONLY supporters, Tiktok kids chasing their idols around from club to club and grassroots football supporters who would rather volunteer at their clubs than participate in an in-authentic product.... Dont worry aboyt the 20 million Aussies that think soccer is for "Sheilas, wogs and poofters" they need to figure out how to engage the 7 million who think football is the be all and end all of sport.... I get yours and numkl's posts. My response to Mid was on the last 2 paragraphs of his "generally" that it takes too long typing away to state myself more clearly, my bad. "Bits" I agree of his comments : The main opposing codes get the Lions share of funding, be it gov or business groups - that where we lack for one, I agree with his comment. Those codes are an issue purely by the entrenched support and mates and mates saying lets go to such and such game. Media support, as we know we are very thin there, imo thats also a duty the FA fail - we can't rely on these rugari types, the FA need to put out alot more info, no matter what, news, updates, flying the flag more of our OS aussies, I don't care what but the more you put out the more the general public see something. More advertising of the Aus Cup, end of season is amongst us where is updates of every NPL1 leading into the minor prem status, the finals. The Feds do f all but their own websites and SM that obviously only those involved like us know. Like who is JJ to the general punter ? a ghost who only appears come WC WWC - etc, yet we see your alf code blokes on news, NRL and cricket honchos in the press here and there. Next point in Mids last paragraph : "IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal"Like I've said in previous post, JJ give us something once and for all !!!!!!!!!! your the bloody leader of a massive following of the game and participants and you tippy toe behind closed doors meeting after meeting, report after report - set up a model for the game to advance for chrsits sake.. I don't agree with Mids model suggestions APL down whatsoever. I'm all for the usual pyrimad like 99% everywhere else. I've said there is no easy ride, it will be cluster f for some years but at least set down the footprint/model importantly the directive. The Feds have to be put in their place or at least their power halved somehow. The flack will be huge but when isn't it when your restructuring. Nah EPL etc isn't the scorn people crap on about, those against EPL/OS football/euorsnob as some call it here are just pissed/react because its so much better to watch (besides its not comparing apples with apples) hence being offended of their Franchise football.
Back in our NSL or whatever days we never cared if some people luv their OS football more, whats the big deal, its just became a thorn in the side of the new dawners from the banter.
Countless of us grass roots players/followers will flow on to the NST/NSD intro - even those who hardly follow NPL but play football will get some interest relating to more local Club backgrounds bit by bit.
I'd sooner watch a local Club near my area striving to make their way up to NST instead of any franchise game and I'm sure I am not alone.
It will take alot of time, as Mid mentions set the plan, be it 5yrs - 10yrs tweak it (another point he made I agree with) but it will come, its long ball game not a short game.Fark too long a post and messy, got too much work to do. Brother your last paragraph is EXACTLY what I am saying though.. There are enough people that follow soccer in this country.. Millions in fact... The fact that only a small percentage watch the Aleagues is the APLS problem not football in Australia's problem.. If APL was smart they would figure out a way to turn football tragics into Aleague fans... but for 20 years they chase the AFL and NRL mums and kids who, they hope, have nothing better to watch in summer....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xLove this post by a guy on a different site...sorta puts many of my thoughts in a single paragraph... Australian football just doesn’t know what kind of sporting mentality they want to adopt, they’re caught in their own AFL/NRL way or the American Franchise way or the European Football meritocracy way and this is reflected in their fanbase, look at the comments on this website for evidence. Until they sort out this dichotomy of what football in Australia should be, then I fear you’ll be having these kinds of debates about governance, rather than what’s happening on the pitch. 100000% astute observation Mid... Ive asked you this before too, "WHAT DO WE SEE AS SUCCESS?" Thats the 64 billion dollar question. A couple of givens, first a strong player base with decent development models, second quality national teams preforming well in major tournaments.. AS to the middle bit i.e. away from park Football leading to national selection is the clusterfuck ... What gets in the way of many discussions in this area is the dismissal of any idea or comment that does not fit with the particular group or ideals a person or a group have. IMO a classic example is, we are the number four code behind Cricket, AFL & NRL and in NSW & QLD rugby union also draws fans... further these codes are entrenched extremely well connected to government & business with large traditional fan bases and plenty of media support. However use this as an example to tread carefully is often met with outrage as being unimportant and comments like we are not unique... there are many other examples... IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal, for me 36 teams across two divisions, playing mid February to early December, with no salary cap, and internal transfer fees.... to this I would add each team would need to be a community team representing a number of their local area clubs.... after achieving this goal new goals could be set.... the plan would be result based rather than time based, so if achieved in five years or twenty years as long as steady and measurable progress was being made... Well said Mid Last 2 paragraphs great points. Like I’ve said - JJ set the path, any path that sets a course to friggin somewhere. Yep be it 5yrs or 10, see where it needs tweaks make them but at least we get somewhere instead of the same one that currently stands. Sorry mate, you dont really believe that we are a number 4 code in this country do you? You of all people who (And Im making a huge assumption here) 90% of the pople you know are 100% football mad.... APLs enemy isnt NRL, AFl or cricket mate.... it is losing fans to EPL, Natinal Aussie team ONLY supporters, Tiktok kids chasing their idols around from club to club and grassroots football supporters who would rather volunteer at their clubs than participate in an in-authentic product.... Dont worry aboyt the 20 million Aussies that think soccer is for "Sheilas, wogs and poofters" they need to figure out how to engage the 7 million who think football is the be all and end all of sport.... I get yours and numkl's posts. My response to Mid was on the last 2 paragraphs of his "generally" that it takes too long typing away to state myself more clearly, my bad. "Bits" I agree of his comments : The main opposing codes get the Lions share of funding, be it gov or business groups - that where we lack for one, I agree with his comment. Those codes are an issue purely by the entrenched support and mates and mates saying lets go to such and such game. Media support, as we know we are very thin there, imo thats also a duty the FA fail - we can't rely on these rugari types, the FA need to put out alot more info, no matter what, news, updates, flying the flag more of our OS aussies, I don't care what but the more you put out the more the general public see something. More advertising of the Aus Cup, end of season is amongst us where is updates of every NPL1 leading into the minor prem status, the finals. The Feds do f all but their own websites and SM that obviously only those involved like us know. Like who is JJ to the general punter ? a ghost who only appears come WC WWC - etc, yet we see your alf code blokes on news, NRL and cricket honchos in the press here and there. Next point in Mids last paragraph : "IMO success would be setting a plan in place to reach a certain goal"Like I've said in previous post, JJ give us something once and for all !!!!!!!!!! your the bloody leader of a massive following of the game and participants and you tippy toe behind closed doors meeting after meeting, report after report - set up a model for the game to advance for chrsits sake.. I don't agree with Mids model suggestions APL down whatsoever. I'm all for the usual pyrimad like 99% everywhere else. I've said there is no easy ride, it will be cluster f for some years but at least set down the footprint/model importantly the directive. The Feds have to be put in their place or at least their power halved somehow. The flack will be huge but when isn't it when your restructuring. Nah EPL etc isn't the scorn people crap on about, those against EPL/OS football/euorsnob as some call it here are just pissed/react because its so much better to watch (besides its not comparing apples with apples) hence being offended of their Franchise football.
Back in our NSL or whatever days we never cared if some people luv their OS football more, whats the big deal, its just became a thorn in the side of the new dawners from the banter.
Countless of us grass roots players/followers will flow on to the NST/NSD intro - even those who hardly follow NPL but play football will get some interest relating to more local Club backgrounds bit by bit.
I'd sooner watch a local Club near my area striving to make their way up to NST instead of any franchise game and I'm sure I am not alone.
It will take alot of time, as Mid mentions set the plan, be it 5yrs - 10yrs tweak it (another point he made I agree with) but it will come, its long ball game not a short game.Fark too long a post and messy, got too much work to do. Brother your last paragraph is EXACTLY what I am saying though.. There are enough people that follow soccer in this country.. Millions in fact... The fact that only a small percentage watch the Aleagues is the APLS problem not football in Australia's problem.. If APL was smart they would figure out a way to turn football tragics into Aleague fans... but for 20 years they chase the AFL and NRL mums and kids who, they hope, have nothing better to watch in summer.... ah yer ok - excuse me not understanding at times.... Hey absolutely where the "FISH" are is us in Club land :) We've mentioned this before in discussions correct and thats their probs.
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Yeah pretty much what we all know but well summed up by Joey... Key takeway is that it isnt just 8 clubs sitting on hot coals waiting for answers, its clubs all throughout Australia not yet knowing if they are going up or down..... gotta have some news soon.
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+xYeah pretty much what we all know but well summed up by Joey... Key takeway is that it isnt just 8 clubs sitting on hot coals waiting for answers, its clubs all throughout Australia not yet knowing if they are going up or down..... gotta have some news soon. If a proper H&A NST commences in 2025, I'm predicting a Spring time start. That will be the compromise that gets this across the line. They will let all involved clubs participate in their 2025 NPL seasons and then the NST will begin shortly after the 2025 NPL season concludes. Then hopefully in 2026 the NST will then move back and align with the Winter NPL season.
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+x+xYeah pretty much what we all know but well summed up by Joey... Key takeway is that it isnt just 8 clubs sitting on hot coals waiting for answers, its clubs all throughout Australia not yet knowing if they are going up or down..... gotta have some news soon. If a proper H&A NST commences in 2025, I'm predicting a Spring time start. That will be the compromise that gets this across the line. They will let all involved clubs participate in their 2025 NPL seasons and then the NST will begin shortly after the 2025 NPL season concludes. Then hopefully in 2026 the NST will then move back and align with the Winter NPL season. Thats gonna be a LOOOOOONNNGGG season for some of these lads mate... I have no idea how close to the mark you are but Id be disappointed if it doesn't start in March/April 2025.
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+x+x+xYeah pretty much what we all know but well summed up by Joey... Key takeway is that it isnt just 8 clubs sitting on hot coals waiting for answers, its clubs all throughout Australia not yet knowing if they are going up or down..... gotta have some news soon. If a proper H&A NST commences in 2025, I'm predicting a Spring time start. That will be the compromise that gets this across the line. They will let all involved clubs participate in their 2025 NPL seasons and then the NST will begin shortly after the 2025 NPL season concludes. Then hopefully in 2026 the NST will then move back and align with the Winter NPL season. Thats gonna be a LOOOOOONNNGGG season for some of these lads mate... Maybe, but they are young blokes, they'll be ok. They'll be quitting their day jobs once the NST starts, so it will be a bit different for them. I just can't see this thing starting in Autumn 2025. It's dragging on too long, with what seems to be little progress.
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+x+x+x+xYeah pretty much what we all know but well summed up by Joey... Key takeway is that it isnt just 8 clubs sitting on hot coals waiting for answers, its clubs all throughout Australia not yet knowing if they are going up or down..... gotta have some news soon. If a proper H&A NST commences in 2025, I'm predicting a Spring time start. That will be the compromise that gets this across the line. They will let all involved clubs participate in their 2025 NPL seasons and then the NST will begin shortly after the 2025 NPL season concludes. Then hopefully in 2026 the NST will then move back and align with the Winter NPL season. Thats gonna be a LOOOOOONNNGGG season for some of these lads mate... Maybe, but they are young blokes, they'll be ok. They'll be quitting their day jobs once the NST starts, so it will be a bit different for them. I just can't see this thing starting in Autumn 2025. It's dragging on too long, with what seems to be little progress. Nobody is letting any goss slip through (at least that I have heard) .... I guess we'll know when we know.
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+x+x+x+x+xYeah pretty much what we all know but well summed up by Joey... Key takeway is that it isnt just 8 clubs sitting on hot coals waiting for answers, its clubs all throughout Australia not yet knowing if they are going up or down..... gotta have some news soon. If a proper H&A NST commences in 2025, I'm predicting a Spring time start. That will be the compromise that gets this across the line. They will let all involved clubs participate in their 2025 NPL seasons and then the NST will begin shortly after the 2025 NPL season concludes. Then hopefully in 2026 the NST will then move back and align with the Winter NPL season. Thats gonna be a LOOOOOONNNGGG season for some of these lads mate... Maybe, but they are young blokes, they'll be ok. They'll be quitting their day jobs once the NST starts, so it will be a bit different for them. I just can't see this thing starting in Autumn 2025. It's dragging on too long, with what seems to be little progress. Nobody is letting any goss slip through (at least that I have heard) .... I guess we'll know when we know. I'm pretty sure there is no goss. Even the people that should have some goss, have nothing. I don't even think it's the NDA's anymore. I genuinely think nobody has any clue what's going on one way or the other.
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+x+xYeah pretty much what we all know but well summed up by Joey... Key takeway is that it isnt just 8 clubs sitting on hot coals waiting for answers, its clubs all throughout Australia not yet knowing if they are going up or down..... gotta have some news soon. If a proper H&A NST commences in 2025, I'm predicting a Spring time start. That will be the compromise that gets this across the line. They will let all involved clubs participate in their 2025 NPL seasons and then the NST will begin shortly after the 2025 NPL season concludes. Then hopefully in 2026 the NST will then move back and align with the Winter NPL season. I can live with spring though would be disappointed of course. Big upside was something to look forward to in the aleage/europe off seasons
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+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah pretty much what we all know but well summed up by Joey... Key takeway is that it isnt just 8 clubs sitting on hot coals waiting for answers, its clubs all throughout Australia not yet knowing if they are going up or down..... gotta have some news soon. If a proper H&A NST commences in 2025, I'm predicting a Spring time start. That will be the compromise that gets this across the line. They will let all involved clubs participate in their 2025 NPL seasons and then the NST will begin shortly after the 2025 NPL season concludes. Then hopefully in 2026 the NST will then move back and align with the Winter NPL season. Thats gonna be a LOOOOOONNNGGG season for some of these lads mate... Maybe, but they are young blokes, they'll be ok. They'll be quitting their day jobs once the NST starts, so it will be a bit different for them. I just can't see this thing starting in Autumn 2025. It's dragging on too long, with what seems to be little progress. Nobody is letting any goss slip through (at least that I have heard) .... I guess we'll know when we know. I'm pretty sure there is no goss. Even the people that should have some goss, have nothing. I don't even think it's the NDA's anymore. I genuinely think nobody has any clue what's going on one way or the other. Ill be doing plenty of "digging" on Sunday :)
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Well any goss?
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I think we need a moment to get over the game last night...
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+xI think we need a moment to get over the game last night... Great win last night thought the goal wasn’t going to come haha.
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+x+xI think we need a moment to get over the game last night... Great win last night thought the goal wasn’t going to come haha. Atmosphere was very good, both teams had chances.. Game paused due to lighting, missed penalty, 91st equalizer and long-range rocket to seal the victory! I spoke to a player after the game that i know well and he still doesn't know if NSD will happen next year, he was clear that south are pushing hard behind the scenes to make it happen. Nothing new to report really...
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South Melbourne Chairman Bill Papastergiadis on Box to Box: https://open.spotify.com/episode/01TNtkF0J0qcEecIonhHxkWorking hard to add more clubs. "Potentially" kicking off in April.
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blah blah blah ..... meanwhile clubs aroudn the country arent even sure what league they are playing in next year....
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