NST Phase 3 - Assessment and recommendation


NST Phase 3 - Assessment and recommendation

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PGR - 30 Aug 2023 7:27 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 29 Aug 2023 10:07 PM

Discussions on the NSD was well in train by the FFA in 2016. Eventually, a schedule like this was generated.
If start of the comp is now 5 years late (maybe more) and you see that as great progress, pity.  

PROPOSED TIMELINE
1 December 2017     AAFC calls for expression of interest from clubs interest in participation in The Championship
2 February 2018Expressions of interest close
2 March 2018FFA endorsement required
29 March 2018The Championship Bid document made available on payment of $10,000 fee
25 May 2018Bids close
May to July 2018Bids assessed by Nous Group
August 2018Nous Group report to AAFC Board
September 2018Successful bidders notified
October 2018Licenses issued
October 2019Start of The

The "great pity" is despite you knowing better you label the AAFC (a voluntary group of passionate football clubs) as having some sort of say in the governance at the FFA......
  • the fact that after 20 odd years the racism of Lowy is about to be erased and ALL Australian clubs, regardless of race creed or colour can finally compete nationally again
  • or that choads like you who have spent two decades basking in your apartheid are shedding tears of frustration that the tin pot effniks finally got their act together.


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patjennings - 30 Aug 2023 10:43 PM
PGR - 30 Aug 2023 7:53 PM

Yes -  I want to see an Adelaide, Brisbane and Canberra bids to be considered.  

This was my original prediction at the start of the year and may be way off. Still, the diversity isn't bad. Melbourne is an issue.

RegionNo.Club    
Adel2FSA, Adel City   
Brisb2Brisb City, Brisb United 
Melb2South Melb, Heidelberg / MKnights 
Syd3Syd Olympic, Marconi, Sutherland / Cronulla
WA1Spearwood/Cockburn City  
Hunter1Valentine 
Gold Coast1GCoast United   
Wollongong1W Wolves 
ACT1Gungahlin United   
 14     


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bohemia - 30 Aug 2023 10:55 PM
PGR - 30 Aug 2023 10:54 PM

You're just a negative person

To point out the hypocrisy? Whatever you reckon.
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PGR - 30 Aug 2023 10:54 PM
bohemia - 30 Aug 2023 10:42 PM

Interesting when some here shit bagged the A League attendances encompassing the pandemic, there was a silence

You're just a negative person
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bohemia - 30 Aug 2023 10:42 PM
PGR - 30 Aug 2023 7:27 PM

Suppose you didn't notice a global pandemic disrupting economies and societies globally for special reasons

Interesting when some here shit bagged the A League attendances encompassing the pandemic, there was a silence
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grazorblade - 30 Aug 2023 4:18 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 30 Aug 2023 3:27 PM

Canberra gets us to 12. Would love there to be over sixteen so even after culling we are a chance for sixteen

For mine it's a bit of a double edged sword getting a high number of bids.

1. Positively - more to cull means stronger field instead of just scraping together the numbers and the risk that entails.

2. Negatively - if anything, having a very large number of bids AND those bids making the grade actually increases the chance of this "champions league" (NPL finals+ series, rather) model coming to fruition. To "keep the costs down".  They wouldn't be doing that with 10 clubs.

While the AL and these clubs have been at loggerheads for the entire ALs existence, there's still an opportunity for each to learn from each other. I think the best avenue would be to replicate JON's original AL model of small league, small season (but more compact - not going around 3x in the season). Make it nice and compact not to fatigue the audience. Sure we want players getting games in their legs, but with a shorter season we're still getting a crucial step up in standards compared to NPL level football, so we're still winning.

Would be entirely happy with 10 team/18 round season. Like it or not (I don't), there will be a finals series. So we're still looking at 18-20 higher standard matches for ~200 players or so (assuming 20 player squads minimum). We're also not scraping the bottom of the playing pool just to get the numbers and for the sake of "making them more pro, therefore better". There has to be a bit of both here.... we need better resourcing for developing via this league, but the players have to at least be something worthwhile spending it on.
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PGR - 30 Aug 2023 7:53 PM
grazorblade - 30 Aug 2023 7:03 PM

Hopefully more bids will include a better geographical representation with the inclusion of diverse clubs, which is good for minimizing the baggage and reducing risk.

Yes -  I want to see an Adelaide, Brisbane and Canberra bids to be considered.  
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PGR - 30 Aug 2023 7:27 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 29 Aug 2023 10:07 PM

Discussions on the NSD was well in train by the FFA in 2016. Eventually, a schedule like this was generated.
If start of the comp is now 5 years late (maybe more) and you see that as great progress, pity.  

PROPOSED TIMELINE
1 December 2017     AAFC calls for expression of interest from clubs interest in participation in The Championship
2 February 2018Expressions of interest close
2 March 2018FFA endorsement required
29 March 2018The Championship Bid document made available on payment of $10,000 fee
25 May 2018Bids close
May to July 2018Bids assessed by Nous Group
August 2018Nous Group report to AAFC Board
September 2018Successful bidders notified
October 2018Licenses issued
October 2019Start of The

Suppose you didn't notice a global pandemic disrupting economies and societies globally for special reasons
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Squidley - 30 Aug 2023 9:59 PM
Heart_fan - 30 Aug 2023 11:30 AM

Would imagine that Avondale would play temporarily at another venue, such as CB Smith or Epping Stadium. 

What are the other plans for Prestons stadium?

Preston have plans to build a new stand on the western side of the main pitch. This comes after the construction of   their pavilion in the past year. The council have seemingly been very supportive of the club which is good to see. 

As for Avondale, I wouldn’t write off them developing Avenger Park. If the league was to start in 2024, this would give them time to go through that process, which may already be outlined in their bid document. 

Playing at a venue like CB Smith or Epping would be a long way from what limited fan base they already have. If anything, maybe some arrangement can be found with Melbourne Knights to play in North Sunshine, but not sure how that relationship is these days. 

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Have Heidelberg repsonded?
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Heart_fan - 30 Aug 2023 11:30 AM
Given the recent reporting/incidents for Melbourne Knights and Sydney United, it would be interesting to see what the ‘risk’ assessment  includes. Financially they are likely both fine, but if there are other risk factors to be assessed this will be hard to overcome. 

For the other confirmed Victorian bids:
- South Melbourne: a certain starter. Don’t think anyone could think otherwise given what they can offer.
- Avondale: they seem to be a club with big ambition and money behind them, but fan base is limited and their stadium - if playing at Avenger Park - will need significant work (I.e. improved lighting, stands, broadcasting facilities)
- Preston: have turned things around significantly since it’s darker days only a decade or so ago. Very solid supporter base and plans for further stadium redevelopment. 



Would imagine that Avondale would play temporarily at another venue, such as CB Smith or Epping Stadium. 

What are the other plans for Prestons stadium?
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grazorblade - 30 Aug 2023 7:03 PM
PGR - 30 Aug 2023 6:52 PM

We definitely need many more bids than the minimum ten so that the risk assessment doesn't knock us below ten

Hopefully more bids will include a better geographical representation with the inclusion of diverse clubs, which is good for minimizing the baggage and reducing risk.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 29 Aug 2023 10:07 PM
PGR - 29 Aug 2023 6:28 PM

Plenty has happened in the past 5 years unlike a certain promised Aleague stadium Paulie..... 


Discussions on the NSD was well in train by the FFA in 2016. Eventually, a schedule like this was generated.
If start of the comp is now 5 years late (maybe more) and you see that as great progress, pity.  

PROPOSED TIMELINE
1 December 2017     AAFC calls for expression of interest from clubs interest in participation in The Championship
2 February 2018Expressions of interest close
2 March 2018FFA endorsement required
29 March 2018The Championship Bid document made available on payment of $10,000 fee
25 May 2018Bids close
May to July 2018Bids assessed by Nous Group
August 2018Nous Group report to AAFC Board
September 2018Successful bidders notified
October 2018Licenses issued
October 2019Start of The

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PGR - 30 Aug 2023 6:52 PM
tsf - 30 Aug 2023 11:09 AM

The risk aspect is underestimated by many here and is a very good point you raised. I'm sure the FA will have their finger on the pulse with this.

We definitely need many more bids than the minimum ten so that the risk assessment doesn't knock us below ten
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tsf - 30 Aug 2023 11:09 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 30 Aug 2023 10:43 AM

Obviously a well-run, well-supported and hugely successful club over time who have contributed massively to Aus football. But things like that recent investigative piece by The Age - will work against them. Why would the accountant types take the risk in their eyes? Even a sniff of risk of bad press and they won't bother.  TBH, I reckon MV would be pushing sh1t up a hill to get in if they were an NPL club applying now. 

The risk aspect is underestimated by many here and is a very good point you raised. I'm sure the FA will have their finger on the pulse with this.
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df1982 - 30 Aug 2023 4:23 PM
bohemia - 30 Aug 2023 4:09 PM

Agree with this list, although I would be mildly disappointed if Heidelberg didn't bid. The Greek derby is a great fixture and they seem to be one of the more together clubs in NPL-land.

Also, Melbourne Knights and South Hobart have now confirmed their bids. So we have a minimum of 11 bids submitted and are over the 10-club threshold, hooray!

Was thinking about Heidelberg to bump them up a category. Good memories of them when I was a kid. They appear to be on a good wicket at their ground and are aspirational. I dunno, for me it's just that the memories are quite long ago but I agree it's a good derby. their lack of noise about a bid probably swayed me the other way.

Yeah, I'd like them in.
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grazorblade - 29 Aug 2023 6:29 PM
any updates on marconi?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwjmZHIvNXm/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D

Bid post back up :)
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bohemia - 30 Aug 2023 4:09 PM
Brenton1986 - 30 Aug 2023 12:35 AM

I know some of this list of unconfirmed have bid now, but from this list I would be:

Devastated if they don't bid

Adelaide City
Brisbane United (Strikers)

Disappointed if they don't bid

Sutherland Sharks
Melbourne Knights

Not really fussed

Brisbane City
South Hobart
Rockdale
Green Gully
Heideberg

Couldn't give a flying fuck

Gungahlin United
Canberra Croatia
Fraser Park
Football SA Crows knock off
Brunswick

Agree with these Juve and Strikers(even in a combined bid) would be awesome..... so want them to bid.

So far, my group of die-hards have agreed to away days at
APIA
Wollongong
Marconi
Sunshine Coast (or Brisbane ytd)
Canberra (whoever)
Adelaide (if its Juve only)
Plus the Melbourne ones of course.

Oh the travels we will do ... can't wait. ... had to promise the wives they can tag along with the promise of nice hotels and shopping though :(


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df1982 - 30 Aug 2023 4:23 PM
bohemia - 30 Aug 2023 4:09 PM

Agree with this list, although I would be mildly disappointed if Heidelberg didn't bid. The Greek derby is a great fixture and they seem to be one of the more together clubs in NPL-land.

Also, Melbourne Knights and South Hobart have now confirmed their bids. So we have a minimum of 11 bids submitted and are over the 10-club threshold, hooray!

I agree, would love to see the Bergers in.

As much as I shit on them, its done through rivalry and respect. The Greek Derby has been a going on for 60 odd years and still means as much today as it did in the 1960's.

Just look at this year, they finished mid table and had a shocking, for them, season yet beat South both home and away so, according to their fans, season was a great success...... 
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bohemia - 30 Aug 2023 4:09 PM
Brenton1986 - 30 Aug 2023 12:35 AM

I know some of this list of unconfirmed have bid now, but from this list I would be:

Devastated if they don't bid

Adelaide City
Brisbane United (Strikers)

Disappointed if they don't bid

Sutherland Sharks
Melbourne Knights

Not really fussed

Brisbane City
South Hobart
Rockdale
Green Gully
Heideberg

Couldn't give a flying fuck

Gungahlin United
Canberra Croatia
Fraser Park
Football SA Crows knock off
Brunswick

Agree with this list, although I would be mildly disappointed if Heidelberg didn't bid. The Greek derby is a great fixture and they seem to be one of the more together clubs in NPL-land.

Also, Melbourne Knights and South Hobart have now confirmed their bids. So we have a minimum of 11 bids submitted and are over the 10-club threshold, hooray!
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Monoethnic Social Club - 30 Aug 2023 3:27 PM
Beretta - 30 Aug 2023 3:15 PM

As in bid submitted :)

Canberra gets us to 12. Would love there to be over sixteen so even after culling we are a chance for sixteen
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Brenton1986 - 30 Aug 2023 12:35 AM
no official announcement from the following 14 clubs,
Adelaide City
Brisbane City
Brisbane United (Wynnum Wolves, Brisbane Strikers, Virginia United)
Brunswick Juventus
Canberra Croatia
Football South Australia
Fraser Park
Green Gully Cavaliers
Gungahlin United
Heidelberg United
Melbourne Knights
Rockdale Illinden
South Hobart
Sutherland Sharks

source - Neal Symons (NPL VIC match commentator).

I know some of this list of unconfirmed have bid now, but from this list I would be:

Devastated if they don't bid

Adelaide City
Brisbane United (Strikers)

Disappointed if they don't bid

Sutherland Sharks
Melbourne Knights

Not really fussed

Brisbane City
South Hobart
Rockdale
Green Gully
Heideberg

Couldn't give a flying fuck

Gungahlin United
Canberra Croatia
Fraser Park
Football SA Crows knock off
Brunswick
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Beretta - 30 Aug 2023 3:15 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 30 Aug 2023 3:02 PM

done as in accepted or declined?

As in bid submitted :)
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Monoethnic Social Club - 30 Aug 2023 3:02 PM
Beretta - 30 Aug 2023 2:57 PM

Great news, I am hearing that Canberra Croatia is also done.......  a couple more QLD and a 1-2 SA ones and I reckon we are good to go :)

done as in accepted or declined?
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numklpkgulftumch - 30 Aug 2023 11:49 AM
Heart_fan - 30 Aug 2023 11:30 AM

The only thing in the Evaluation criteria related to the stadium is 

  • A strong vision for game day presentation including community engagement and venue experience.


Well I was there 3 weeks ago .... Venue experience was absolutely crap.  In fact there is complaints from FFV that the ground isnt suitable for the Semi final of the NPL VIC, had to bring their game to early afternoon ioncase it gets too dark and they dont have lights..... FFS.
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Beretta - 30 Aug 2023 2:57 PM
South Hobart announced on their FB page they have applied for NSD

Great news, I am hearing that Canberra Croatia is also done.......  a couple more QLD and a 1-2 SA ones and I reckon we are good to go :)
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South Hobart announced on their FB page they have applied for NSD
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Lawries got yet another name for it

June 23rd :-  “I have just been notified that we have received an email from Football Australia containing the application form, terms and conditions for participation in the new National Football Championship…” McKinna said
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Fairly sure Canberra Croatia put in, given this article from 4 weeks ago

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8295188/canberra-croatia-go-national-with-confident-second-division-bid-and-australia-cup-berth/

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Heart_fan - 30 Aug 2023 11:30 AM
Given the recent reporting/incidents for Melbourne Knights and Sydney United, it would be interesting to see what the ‘risk’ assessment  includes. Financially they are likely both fine, but if there are other risk factors to be assessed this will be hard to overcome. 

For the other confirmed Victorian bids:
- South Melbourne: a certain starter. Don’t think anyone could think otherwise given what they can offer.
- Avondale: they seem to be a club with big ambition and money behind them, but fan base is limited and their stadium - if playing at Avenger Park - will need significant work (I.e. improved lighting, stands, broadcasting facilities)
- Preston: have turned things around significantly since it’s darker days only a decade or so ago. Very solid supporter base and plans for further stadium redevelopment. 



yer but seriously, think of any sport that has had those small % of fans make headlines what Club or entity has been banned or shut out of their comps ?
You can hardly pick any out of the top of your head unless you dig through google I suppose but the main and only time Clubs have been punished and demoted is due to money laundering.

So this ongoing beat up in this country over the few bad apples towards the ol ethnic clubs is pathetic, its also been endoctranated since the AL enception and the newbie/younger gen jumped on the band wagon and have relied on wiki for info and follow the media bait and paint all the same, should apply to MV and bucket man, the countless RBB/Cove etcetc issues - its all been done before and today.
People need to move on and accpet there are DH's everywhere at times, deal with it and move on.


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