Seasons are done down here and some clubs genuinely (at least according to their members) arent sure where they will play next year.... 

If Avondale AND South do leave the NPL then either Manningham and or Moreland will get to stay UP to keep the league at 14 clubs OR WU youth and Northcote city (and maybe one more bearing in mind Preston already promoted but wont need it) ... and onwards down the leagues... Then  you have to maybe even allow for VPL2 with Caroline Springs Georgies going to the NSD ... its a bit of a mess. 

So Queensland has a solid Pyramid that promises nothing to NSD teams but allows for flexibility at their discretion, depending on what the future throws up

Victoria now already has a soft Pyramid to try and allow for all possibilities, and praying everyone's happy with FV's interpretatiion of thise 'rules'

Genuine question : How many teams in Victoria aren't sure what division they'll be playing in next Season before the NST even exists in any form ?

as a cairns boy 7 is completely awful
the anti-nsd stuff probably delayed the nst to 2026 and means there probably won't be a qld team for a while

And for Tony Pignata NOT to have been promised an Aleague License, and for the APL to have less votes on the board ... and... and .. and.... 

7 years worth of work (and hope) gone down the drain it seems.... how very deflating. 

I found it odd back then and now in hindsight, I find it even more odd that they announced the 8. From their position, they should not have announced anything. Maybe tell the 8 in private, but tell the public that the process is ongoing. Now they are in this weird position where they have this 80% ready thing and don't seem to know how to get to 100% ready.
Just think, all that was needed to get this thing over the line was FQLD not to play the stand-over card and Melbourne Knights to come to the table. We would have had the 10 and enough to get something happening next year.

Somebody, for the love of God, just close this farking thread already..... :(

hahahahah fark your a hard man to please. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH This is all pointless anyway it's September already NOTHING IS HAPPENING.... 

NPL finals will finish this weekend, maybe a NPL club or two will go a fraction deeper in the Australia Cup and then radio silence again until Feb/March and a feeble statement saying "2025 launch date for NSD has been delayed for one year in consultation with key stakeholders" or some such bullshit.... 

This was the moment, 19/11/23,  the high tide mark when they actually announced 8 foundation clubs .... thats it, finito la muzica... its gone.... 
https://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news/football-australia-announces-foundation-clubs-national-second-tier

Hahahahaha

reserve the right, may be removed, may be offered, may be relegated

You seem resigned to the fact that this is to be a "closed" competition when the understood intent is for it to NOT be.... 

Anyway in response to your question, Football VIC seem alot more accommodating to me, they actually want this thing to happen..... 

Sorry not sure why I cant post screen grab but it is section 10.11 Promotion & Relegation NAtional Second Tier.

https://www.footballvictoria.com.au/advanced-competitions-resources

When I said modified, I said the regulations (Rules of Competition) were modified, not that rules relating specifically to NSD were modified. The Rules of Competition were modified by adding the NSD section.

1. AAFC can propose what they want, but they don't run this and the FA are doing something else, that's the reality
2. Again the AAFC don't call the shots here, you're deflecting
3. Same problem regardless of level, Why should a tier 3 club be denied promotion cos Strikers bailed on an outside closed Comp
4. Brisbane United were originally a bid 'owned' by Strikers, Wynnum Wolves and Virginia United, and all 3 planned on carrying on in their respective Divisions.  NFI how that was supposed to work if Brisbane United were relegated. 

And FA never made a decision so doesn't surprise me that Football Queensland created a basic rule to protect their Pyramid from the mess that could've been

Anyhow, what's FV solution ?

Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. 

- Im really NOT, this an AAFC proopsal to FA and THEY are advocating for it, I just want a second division and a third and a fourth.... its up to the federation to create this thing and expand on the rules of how it connects to the rest of the pyramid. WHat you want and what I want are more than likely the same thing but what we get is a different story. Whatever it is, for it to be worthwhile, it has to be better than the disjointed 15 thousand NPLs we have now.

"we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined
Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it -

  As did all 34 clubs that paid the start up cost to establish the AAFC and get this proposal to FA ... 

What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ? -

WHY do they have to go to the bottom of the state league pyrmaid and NOT to the same state league level the left to begin with? or even a level bellow that iof they feel like adding some sort of performance disincentive. why to the very BOTTOM?

What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet.  Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ? -

Youve got me there... Wasnt one of the "entities" Wolves I think , and existing club? WHy not to where they currently play?

Right now, you want to make the rules up as we go along. take that personally if you like but that's what you are advocating. 

"we've got to start somewhere" is fine sentiment, but it's starting a closed comp with NO outcome promised or time-lined

Bundesliga was started the same way, but they set up P&R at the same time and ALL the clubs voted to do it

FQ have stated that if you get Promoted, you can get Relegated back into the NPLQ, like a proper pyramid

What about Strikers ? not even an NPLQ team, where do they go if they shit themselves ?
What about Brisbane United ? who don't exist yet.  Does another club get denied Promotion cos Rabbieh feels like leaving the NSD ?

What's also missing is 



So there's scope to do anything if and when the FA get their shit together

https://footballqueensland.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-Rules-of-Competition-for-Advanced-Leagues.pdf

Personal attempt at a dig aside your statement is far from the truth I ALWAYS want a proper pyramid with a place earned on the field. I always have and always will. As Ive stated many a time I would be more than happy for qualification tournament to get INTO the NSD from the very first moment.. IF South choke and dont get in on the first try its up to my club to keep trying until they do ... ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with that I just want a clear avenue in .... if that sounds NSL-ish to you, well Ok whatever mate.

What and how the NSD turns into or currently IS is entirely out of my and your hands... fact remains that without clubs putting their hands up, willing to stump up the cash and participate, this will NEVER even get started... 

Cavalucci isnt an "easy scapegoat" he is actively discouraging a non NPL club from showing any ambition, threatening them with the fact they will lose their spot in the State league system and go "all the way to the bottom of the queue" if the NSD fails or they ever introduce relegation from it.... why? What does that achieve apart from making any club think twice about wanting things to progress? 

Yep, I've posted the current ones before

So, as far as we know, NSD regulations have NOT been modified, the elected governing body has just created them. 

Anyone know what have VIC and NSW put in place for the future shit fight ?

Sometimes you want a proper pyramid, with your place earnt on the Field

Sometimes you want to make up the rules as you go along

Sounding a bit NSLish if you ask me

Bottom line is that the NSD is another Closed League with no way out except by quitting.

Cavallucci might be good at rubbing people the wrong way, but just having an easy scapegoat isn't going change the fundamentals here

In other words "How DARE you show an ounce of ambition"

Here is the relevant section of the current Rules of Competition for Advanced Leagues, which comes under section 4.5 Promotion and Relegation - National Second Division.
I don't have a copy of the previous regs, but my recollection is that this section was only added when the proposed NSD started getting legs and clubs were submitting EOI's..

4.5.2 Relegation a) Any Club that is relegated from any future NSD, because of performance or sporting merit, may return to the NPL Queensland with the precondition that the returning Club was originally promoted from the NPL Queensland. b) Any Club relegated from any NSD, must meet and comply with all NPL Queensland licence criteria which will be submitted via the CLAS system and approved by the First Instance Body in accordance with Football Australia’s National Licencing and accreditation scheme. c) Any Club that is relegated from a NSD who was not promoted originally out of the NPL Queensland will not automatically re-enter the lower league (FQPL 1-6) across the advanced Football Queensland pyramid from where they were promoted, instead they will need to re-enter the pyramid from the lowest level of FQPL league at the time and comply with the licence requirements of that division.

This is the bit I'm interested in

Do you have a copy of previous Regulations ?

I'm curious as to whether there were any regulations about the NSD given it was only recently announced.

Would also like to understand who the Consultation should be with and when. 
Governing bodies are elected to govern, so there's a limit to what they should be expected to endlessly consult about before making a decision.

If FA congress doesnt vote for a NSD what makes you both think they would vote for recognition of a breakaway league?

Sheeesh .... 

In no particular order, just off the top of my head (and I'm sure there are others):

1. Any negative comment on Football Queensland social media, the commentator is immediately blocked.

2. In a sport where one of the constant struggles, especially at lower levels, is recruiting, training and keeping referees, over the past couple seasons FQ has refused to register some experienced and long-time referees, I believe because of things like negative social media comment or other ridiculous reasons.

3. An increase to registration fees occurred when Cavallucci became CEO. I'm sure coincidentally, the sum of this fee increase across all FQ participants was pretty much equivalent to the increase in salary that Cavallucci receives compared to his predecessor. Refer to Bonita Mersiades (and others) saga from a couple years ago.

4. For the 2023 season, FQ introduced an app called Squadi to replace the previous competition and game management system. It was a generic system for all sports that required significant modifications and changes to cater for the particular requirements of football in general and football in Queensland in particular. It was implemented at the start of the 2023 season when almost none of these modifications were in place, so the first couple months of 2023 was a disaster, including up to NPL competitions. The rest of 2023 was only slightly less of a dog's breakfast, and at the end of 2024 (two full seasons after introduction) the system still does not have anything near the functionality that the previous system had. For example, it is only in the the last month that the teamsheet system has been fixed so that a team cannot have two players with the same shirt number allocated to them for a game. The previous system did this. Another example, the previous system tracked yellow cards and send-off suspensions so that any suspended player was automatically blocked from being selected on a teamsheet. Now, FQ require all clubs at all levels, including junior and community and up to NPL level, to track yellow card counts and suspensions, and it is up to the clubs to ensure players who are nominally suspended (FQ do not advise the clubs anymore of yellow card suspensions as they did previously) are not played in the fixtures for which they are suspended. Squadi allows suspended players to be selected on the team sheet, the previous system did not.

5. For the past two seasons, the fixture scheduling for junior and community football has been a nightmare, especially but not exclusively at the beginning of the season. At the beginning of the season, for quite a few weeks fixtures were only being released an a week-by-week basis, often only a day before the weekend. So many players and families are complaining how can they organise weekends without visibility of when or where games are being played, especially for families who have more than one child playing. There are occasions through the season where many community teams don't play for a month or more at a time, part of which is due to school holidays but exacerbated by poor scheduling. Even in the last couple of weeks, there are community teams who are only being advised of the day and time of their semi-final the day before the match.

6. For some reason it appears FQ (i.e., Cavallucci) is completely anti-NSD. They even went to the point of modifying their regulations, without apparent consultation, to discourage clubs from applying for NSD, e.g., any non-NPL clubs, including new entities, who may be relegated from NSD in future could only go back to FQ competition at the lowest level (back to FQPL6 instead of NPL).

7. FQ totally pissed-off all the regional zones (zones outside SEQ) by excluding them from highest level competition, and removing zone boards that were club selected. The zone boards were replaced with FQ-appointed "zone representatives" who are in FQ's pocket. Some zones were actively looking at how they could separate from FQ.

All these things mentioned above have only occurred since Cavallucci became CEO. Of course FQ wasn't always a bed of roses prior to Cavallucci, but it is now significantly worse.

would love a breakaway league. I doubt we end up back where we started, a year or two of craziness and then probably have 2 divisions like we should

reckon the a league lasts in perpetuity and the nsl would have too if not for intervention, regardless of problems. The danger is that if it doesn't see better times that leads to more doubling down and conservatism rather than trying to work towards a pyramid

Merit to the thought - and to the strategy. People are losing patience and hope.
I reckon if this was to fall apart we'd probably see a break away league of some sort.

I haven't renewed my Adelaide United membership since 2018 and I'm more than happy to wind down the clock on the FOAD A-league in return

Btw, I'm not so deluded to think the APL actually cares. Quite the opposite. I've worked in a corporate before that went from a huge growth surge to a COVID death spiral and I know how companies behave when they have 1: actively decided to jettison it's client base in favour of a mythical new and better one 2. Hide behind bullshit fences, an American investor, internal cultural attrition and legalese to massage them through and 3. Ultimately place all their bets that by the time they've run out of people on earth to piss off, they can wait for new people to be born 

ooof that's terrible. Would avoid the talent getting condensed

Yep, it's a weird set up - essentially every region of QLD (outside of the metro South East) have their own "Premier League".

As part of a pre-season tournament, they have a tournament against eachother, with the winner facing the FQPL1 Champions as part of the "FQPL Champions League"