I'll explain it to you.

Liverpool is an English club but owned by an American. Very simple, there is no USA, USA chants. Pretty simple.

And if there were?? What difference would it make to you? Do you find the USA offensive? Do you think the millions of fans of Liverpool around the world would automatically stop waking up at 3am and buying Salah jerseys online becuase theya re NOT from the USA?

And why would they chant USA USA anyway, if anything maybe for the Boston Red Sox I guess but even then, what is it to you? Are they not allowed?

You can't dictate to people what they can and cant do mate, this is 2024 .... If you dont like it thats fine but, provided nothing is offensive, racist or sexist (even though plenty of that still and always will exist in football)  fans can chant whatever they want.

Actively excluding Liverpool because their fans chant USA USA will NEVER EVER happen, Just like banning Celtic for flying Irish flags in the Scottish league or banning Ajax or Heracles from the Dutch league or Hellas Verona from the Serie A or even Barca from Spain for flying Catalan flags. Lowy doesnt have any influence in the EPL or any other league in the world of football and thankfully not in the tiers below A league in Australia. 

funnily these posts are covering pre AL NSL Club names and post AL now APL Clubs.
I really like to avoid getting into it but a couple of you I consider forum mates from different motha's haha not picking sides but to stay open some may say on the fence.

I think one thing that should be noted back on the thread highlights our huge ongoing football conflicts and read between the lines the CCM CEO quotes the timing of the NST is dangerous to their APL whilst they are still in reform.
Sorry mate I would expect you would say similar in 2026 or 2027 for naturally your comp doesn't want any conflicting competiton.
It also highlights as I've mentioned elsewhere, this tiny little mucked up complicated island can't sustain 2 separate forms of football competitions !!!!!!!
Talking about being United - well this is never going to happen read it again, never going to happen.
2 wrongs don't make a right but we have a long time existing platform that hasn't shrivalled up and died infact its holding the fort together wether you agree or not.

The former commenced by Australian migrants and like many other countries in the world linked by the founders origins be it greek italian cro for as we know countless clubs have some form of ethnic link where migrants established themselves, the coat of arms badge or for eg Hellas or Azzuri generic markings incl by the name.
Supporters in the past chanted Hellas as they did why does it matter ? its the clubs dna and who was the wiser back in the 50/60/70/80's the support was the bulk of Aussie migrants.
Now as time progressed and we became wiser and in some case's endoctornated by the new dawn marketing machines that a more generic open Club name was what the country needed......sure good stuff something needed to change but I question'd the approach and type of change and we can see the proof in the pudding where the new approach stands today in the national scheme of our countries sporting pecking orders.
Marketing and the new world order marched on its cause/case get it off the ground to pull in the neutrals/the non ethnics and here we are going back and forth just as unneccessary as a recent vote we went through and what has it achieved - division/complications even more.

It ain't gonna work having 2 football paths - need both aligned to be strong and united as quoted in other threads - the CCM's CEO proves as such coming out regards to the NST as bad timing for them BUT WTF its for the good of our game no doubt about it and hope it survives for I tell you, we will keep being in wilderness and different tribes for decade after decade long after I'm gone.

Well said LFC. It is disappointing that the APL are wanting to have their cake and eat it, so to speak. Over the long term, they will be the losers as the NST integrates with the football pyramid and people see the potential for their teams to upskill/upgrade to a higher grade, indeed what will be the highest.

At the moment, the APL hold the aces with the excitement of the youngsters plying their trade in the A League. As the NST and other teams get the drive to excel, and become more professional, they will develop their own pathways through the existing system and grow their income streams without the APL.

LFC I agree with you, as I mentioned in my post it was a silly comment by the CCM's CEO & definitely not one who wants to unite the tribes.
I also am fully aware of the wonderful history of Sth Melb & the great achievements they have made for football in this country, I'm also aware of their history of why the Hellas Chants are there.
I am also 100% behind the NST & the clubs that have been accepted & I'm hoping that the NST & the A-League can work together & create a united football P/R football.
My sole interest is football in this country. Maybe I'm more a dreamer than a realist, but I want them to unite, just like what Ange said when he heard that Sth Melb was joining the NST. Maybe you are right & these 2 will never work together.
Now I see Mono rant & rave about the A-League & it's fans for following a despicable foreign tyrant, he is constantly on the attack & also calling me names & accusing me of being a racist & questions why he is getting so much attention. I understand you are not a big fan of the A-League & I know many are like you, football followers, who are jackshit of some of the decisions of the FFA/APL. I have no issues, I have the same issues with them. But Mono is different, he is solely unhappy Sth Melb is no in the top tier of football of this country.

I have no issues with any of the "effnik clubs", they built football in this country & as you know, I'm an 'effnik' too. I have no issues of them having their chants, I was just asked why I wouldn't follow these clubs & that is the reason why, this is why I never had a team in the NSL. 
Whether Mono, you or I like it or not, there are many football fans who feel the same, they want to follow a Australian football club (who the owner is is irrelevant). My wife is English & my heritage is Portuguese, I do not want to follow an Australian club that chants Por-tu-gal or En-gur-land, but that is me, others may & that is ok, but if you don't see how this may affect your ability to attract a different demographic, these 'effnik' clubs needed to adapt, but they choose not to.

Robbo, mate, I think you are seeing things through intentions that dont exist. You call for unity yet dont want clubs to be whoever or whatever they are. I try to answer every single one of your questions yet you circle around and bring random thoughts into the conversation again and again. One more try from me ... I would appreciate it (for the sake of the argument) if you could answer my questions in bold ... just these questions if thats OK. Believe it or not I dont hate you or even dislike you. I value your opinion even if I dont agree with it because you have at least the conviction to try and explain it.... 

LFC I agree with you, as I mentioned in my post it was a silly comment by the CCM's CEO & definitely not one who wants to unite the tribes.
I also am fully aware of the wonderful history of Sth Melb & the great achievements they have made for football in this country, I'm also aware of their history of why the Hellas Chants are there.

So why would you expect the club's supporters to not use the nickname it has had for generations? Why would you also not accept that a big chunk of our current fans dont even speak Greek or have any Greek background anymore yet still love the name and the chant???

I am also 100% behind the NST & the clubs that have been accepted & I'm hoping that the NST & the A-League can work together & create a united football P/R football.
My sole interest is football in this country. Maybe I'm more a dreamer than a realist, but I want them to unite, just like what Ange said when he heard that Sth Melb was joining the NST. Maybe you are right & these 2 will never work together.

How can they possibly unite when the APL, the franchsie owners and its fans actively admit that pro/rel will cause the APL franchises to fold... they simply cant sustain living in a semi pro environment without foreign owners propping up the finances?

Now I see Mono rant & rave about the A-League & it's fans for following a despicable foreign tyrant, he is constantly on the attack & also calling me names & accusing me of being a racist & questions why he is getting so much attention. I understand you are not a big fan of the A-League & I know many are like you, football followers, who are jackshit of some of the decisions of the FFA/APL. I have no issues, I have the same issues with them. But Mono is different, he is solely unhappy Sth Melb is no in the top tier of football of this country.

No Robbo I am unhappy at the REASON South Melbourne is not the top tier... If you don't understand the difference then you surprise me because you have been following football globally for decades like I have...  You mentioned that you follow Derby, would you NOT feel the same way if the EPL formed a Super League and Derby could NEVER EVER play in the top flight again or would you just shrug your shoulders and accept it? 

I have no issues with any of the "effnik clubs", they built football in this country & as you know, I'm an 'effnik' too. I have no issues of them having their chants, I was just asked why I wouldn't follow these clubs & that is the reason why, this is why I never had a team in the NSL. 

Fine but when I asked you why one type of foreign ownership doesnt bother you and another does you went off about chanting Hellas Hellas or Marconi or whatever??? That doesnt make sense to me when I see other people who dont care... Im pretty sure a very tiny minority of Hellas Verona fans are ethnically Greek but they have no problem with it in Italy why does it bother you here? I would 100% accept that you hate my club (or any other effnik club) because of the team, or the fans or that one annoying prick on the internet that doesnt stop talking about them, no problem with that, but just because they chant a "foreign" name doesn't make sense, at least to me? I hate lots of clubs but NOT because the are Italian or Maltese or Croatian or whatever.

Whether Mono, you or I like it or not, there are many football fans who feel the same, they want to follow a Australian football club (who the owner is is irrelevant). My wife is English & my heritage is Portuguese, I do not want to follow an Australian club that chants Por-tu-gal or En-gur-land, but that is me, others may & that is ok, but if you don't see how this may affect your ability to attract a different demographic, these 'effnik' clubs needed to adapt, but they choose not to.

No buddy we dont NEED to adapt to anything... You might want us to but it is OUR right NOT too.... Thats the whole point. We ARE Australian football clubs and AUSTRALIAN owned at that. We live in a country that gives us the right to participate in this multicultural tapestry of Australian-ess without having to confirm to what you or anyone else thinks is the "right way" If you are not comfortable with that, that is absolutely your right, but you cannot make others comply with what you want.  Leave it to each individual club to morph into whatever their members choose. Like i said to you ages ago, you (me and everyone else) choose  a club for often, really silly reasons,  but you want to follow who you want to follow. I agree there are many fans that dont agree with me and have jumped on board these franchises (why they didnt do it when similar existed 30-40 years ago is a WHOLE other story) because they dont feel part of what they see as a foreign culture. But there are also thousands of "old soccer" fans who have been left out in the cold because of who they/we support... When we see that soccer in this country has been SOLD to foreign investors, when we see the Abu Dabi group basically dictating the very future of our national teams and "clubs" are business entities to make profit for overseas investors, dont you think it is a little lame to worry about 15 year old kids chanting "Cro-at-zi-a" or whatever?

cheers hillybilly55, there no disappointment how the APL operates to me, thats their directive and interest, no different to me as a business owner, my decisions are based what will benefit my company - one is operate and create financial stabillty to invest and grow and that works by taking business away from my opponents.
All power to them - lucky they are cashed up huge organisations and sport is a pleasure marketing investment and tax benefits.

So they are never ever going to accept coming into line with the FA and or NPL/NST Club eco system, thats the trillion $ point robbos.
I like you have best interest for football here full stop period and been waiting as long as you have but we're dreaming.
There is no hope as you quoted, put yourself in their position as the CEO/owner who has layed out millions + over X years.
Are you going to suck it up that one season that your long time investment being relegated ? and your place taken by a NST Club who paid next to nothing what you paid.
That your license contract has been broken with most likely NO compensation or pay out ?
I can't see the FA stumping up any peace treaty rebates can you ?

Yes MSC carries on like the blue one eyed misted greeco, like fellow wogs mates we all have them, one of my sons best mate another damn greek lol, he's all blue and white (stoopid even a chelsea supporter) but I admire the one eyed passion - yer it gets OTT but its so damn harmless compared to the ol days and what the ol clubs were.
Its changed.
None of the ethnic clubs are as one eyed as they were back in the day, its so diluted, been 20yrs, many new young gen families, varied nationalities and they can't operate as they were in any case.
The many fans you mention that are on the otherside is moot, they are not attending the new game as well.
United is where the fish are - not out in uncharted waters, our pond is not big enough as mentioned to fill with new fish let alone those who have no interest in the NST clubs or below.
Another point is they are Australian/s in any case as is their Club playing in a Australian domestic comps all over the country.

Time the FA grew a pair and opened the market up to competition

Oi .... Dont call ME harmless old man. hahahahahahahaahahaha

100% agree with this & hope this will happen.

100% agree with this & hope this will happen.
None of the ethnic clubs are as one eyed as they were back in the day, its so diluted
I agree with you, but so is the racist attitudes against these mediterranean countries these days it's more, dare I say these days it's far worst against the Blacks & Middle Eastern countries.

true, were a melting pot jumping against one ethnic to another, black white yellow brown dark red - this place has so many hang ups its not funny.
Funny with smarties many pick which colour they like best yet the inside is the same - humans are fecked up lol

I'll give a go.
So why would you expect the club's supporters to not use the nickname it has had for generations? Why would you also not accept that a big chunk of our current fans dont even speak Greek or have any Greek background anymore yet still love the name and the chant???

I do expect them to change, I'm all good with it. My question is how do you appeal to a different demographic Non Greeks & those not living in close vicinity to Olympic park?

How can they possibly unite when the APL, the franchsie owners and its fans actively admit that pro/rel will cause the APL franchises to fold... they simply cant sustain living in a semi pro environment without foreign owners propping up the finances?

This is the idea of an open competition & allow for pro /rel, if clubs do fall into 2nd tier I do not understand why they cannot continue until either they get back to top tier or stay in the NST. Sth Melb, Marconi etc has all survived.

No Robbo I am unhappy at the REASON South Melbourne is not the top tier... If you don't understand the difference then you surprise me because you have been following football globally for decades like I have...  You mentioned that you follow Derby, would you NOT feel the same way if the EPL formed a Super League and Derby could NEVER EVER play in the top flight again or would you just shrug your shoulders and accept it?
I followed Derby back in the 70s when they won the 2nd division (Championship) & 2 years later won the 1st division  (premier league), these days teams coming up from the Championship goes back down to the champions a season or 2 later.
If you don't think the EPL is a super league with 4 teams Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal & Spurs, the big 4, now they are joined by Foreign owned teams (Man City, Newcastle & Chelsea) as super cubs. Derby will never ever win the Premiership ever again. Hence I don't follow the PL, just the players & coach (Ange). I have accepted it.
Fine but when I asked you why one type of foreign ownership doesnt bother you and another does you went off about chanting Hellas Hellas or Marconi or whatever??? That doesnt make sense to me when I see other people who dont care... Im pretty sure a very tiny minority of Hellas Verona fans are ethnically Greek but they have no problem with it in Italy why does it bother you here? I would 100% accept that you hate my club (or any other effnik club) because of the team, or the fans or that one annoying prick on the internet that doesnt stop talking about them, no problem with that, but just because they chant a "foreign" name doesn't make sense, at least to me? I hate lots of clubs but NOT because the are Italian or Maltese or Croatian or whatever.
This is the crux, I don't follow foreign ownership, when I started following SFC & the A-League, it was Australian club in an Australian league, now SFC are foreign owned, but are they, it's now owned by Scott Barlow, but I don't care of the owners.
Now I don't hate your club or any 'effnik' club. All I said I choose not to follow clubs during the NSL because they were deemed too mono culture & they brought their issues from home. Greek clubs not liking Macedonian clubs, Serbian clubs not liking Croatian clubs. This was my choice not to follow these clubs, not hating on them.
No buddy we dont NEED to adapt to anything... You might want us to but it is OUR right NOT too.... Thats the whole point. We ARE Australian football clubs and AUSTRALIAN owned at that. We live in a country that gives us the right to participate in this multicultural tapestry of Australian-ess without having to confirm to what you or anyone else thinks is the "right way" If you are not comfortable with that, that is absolutely your right, but you cannot make others comply with what you want.  Leave it to each individual club to morph into whatever their members choose. Like i said to you ages ago, you (me and everyone else) choose  a club for often, really silly reasons,  but you want to follow who you want to follow. I agree there are many fans that dont agree with me and have jumped on board these franchises (why they didnt do it when similar existed 30-40 years ago is a WHOLE other story) because they dont feel part of what they see as a foreign culture. But there are also thousands of "old soccer" fans who have been left out in the cold because of who they/we support... When we see that soccer in this country has been SOLD to foreign investors, when we see the Abu Dabi group basically dictating the very future of our national teams and "clubs" are business entities to make profit for overseas investors, dont you think it is a little lame to worry about 15 year old kids chanting "Cro-at-zi-a" or whatever?
Again, not asking you to adapt, I'm telling you that this is what the administration at the time (FFA) wanted & didn't want. Like I said in regards to PL (other leagues even worse), the rich clubs get richer (Man U & Liverpool) & the poor clubs (Derby) can go get stuff, the English FA don't give a shit, because they are making so much money.
The Australian APL had the chance to include Sth Melb in the A-League & I felt they should've but they choose not to, not because of racism, but due to Sth Melb are deemed still deemed Mono cultured.
You seem to be pissed of with me on this, but I didn't make the decision, but highlighting why so many football fans & the football admin deem certain NSL clubs as still mono cultured.
Happy for you to continue to follow your team as you choose to do, do but don't call me a racist, when I point out why you are not in the top tier.

Robbo ..... mate, that very sentence below IS racism. Dont you see it.?  How can you say it wasnt racism but that South was supported by one race??? Its the same thing its like saying its not night time the sun is on the other side of the planet. lol

The Australian APL had the chance to include Sth Melb in the A-League & I felt they should've but they choose not to, not because of racism, but due to Sth Melb are deemed still deemed Mono cultured.

IT IS ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL IN 2024 AUSTRALIA TO EXCLUDE A GROUP OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE, CREED, COLOUR, RELIGION and THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

Anyway, Im not pissed off with you on this I know you are just explaining what FFA did I just see it as wrong... I am sad however that you have given up on Derby though, for me that is the tragedy in all this...  I refuse to believe Derby will never win the Prem again... As long as there is a club, supporters and a way to be able to be promoted into the top tier there is ALWAYS hope... Yes the money is unfair but look at Man City, Newcastle, Aston Villa, West Ham where were they a couple of decades ago compared to now? The Aleague is CLOSED FOR GOOD... Dont blame me, blame those that set it up.

When you go back to it we are only talking about the co-chairman of the smallest APL club. The other chairman has consistently said he wants to see a connected pyramid with P& R.

Peil raises valid points if you read the article not the headline. However, there will never be a right time and his point of view should not stand in the way of progress. We need to be ambitious. The sooner we get to 16 teams in the APL, 16 teams in the NST all connected to the NPLs below the better. From a football perspective having more players playing consistently at a higher level against stronger opposition can only be a good thing. Ideally played alongside each other from February to November. 

I grew up in Five Dock and worked in Leichhardt so APIA was/is my team in the NPL. I moved to the Coast in the mid eighties, rarely saw any NSL games on the coach except for the occasional Cosmos or Northern Spirit game so I've followed CCMFC since formation.

My dream would be be able watch Apia play against the Mariners at Central Coast Stadium. Ideally that would be in the ALM - but as long as I have my local team I'd only be slightly less happy at a smaller boutique stadium at Tuggerah or an upgraded Pluim Park in the NST.  

30 games plus finals plus Australia Cup (from rd of 64) games plus say another 5 games for a 'professional cup' plus 6 AFC games for the top tier teams' would mean that the top teams could end up playing 50 games or more (30 H&A, 6 Australia cup games, 5 professional cup games, 6 AFC games plus possible further AFC games plus 3 final games).  

Sorry Pat, not to be contrary but WHERE has the other chairman said he wants to see a coonected pyramid from top to bottom?  Only thing I can recall is that monstrocity of a pro/rel model floated by Vince Rugari a few months back, basically wanting to get NST and A League to 16 x clubs each and then ONLY have pro/rel between them as some sort of Aleagues stand alone thing... With any other potential "expansion" being to either of these two leagues and ONLY by buying a license....  I'd love to be wrong.

Charlesworth said he was Pro-Relegation,

IF

1. all the infrastructure was in place for comfy landing,
2. and after the A-League was all hunky dory,
3. fully expanded
4. and the current owners paid for their efforts

https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/mariners-owner-backs-relegation-format-which-could-scupper-his-club/mxa7pb50w

1. Paid for by someone else (obviously)
2. They are dreaming!
3. Who are they going to get to pay  their asking price for the further expansion?
4. Diddums wants his cheque (Tell him it's in the mail).

So the short answer is NO (computer or otherwise, says). A league will stand alone and die of natural causes.

I have not given up on Derby, I still follow them in League 1, hopefully back up to championship next year.

It's the big leagues that I only follow the players & Coach. Man City will win PL again, Real Madrid will win La Liga again (this time not Barcelona), Bayern Munich will win Bundesliga, unless a surprise this year & Bayen wins next year, PSG will win Ligue 1 & well the Serie A is the one with 4 possible winners.
No longer will a Notts Forest, Porto or Red Star Belgrade ever win the champions league again either.

It's the super league.

Double post

This was written 7 years ago and since then the AAFC and the FA have gone a long way towards alleviating his concerns. I can't see where he said (2), some of (3)has already happened  and he didn't say (4). However, I will say that I have personally spoken to him since then and he is a  supporter for a proper football pyramid.  

Dont say never mate..... Never give up hope.

That great to hear mate but the important thing is "is anyone else in the APL?"

It would be good to hear from someone at APL ( Conroy or Garcia ) other than club owners, chairmen or whatever as to what the plans are re cooperation with FA and the second tier.
At the moment they seem to be going round in circles trying to explain what kind of league they are.

Personally i wish the timing was years ago abd spewing it isnt starting in a month

But probably unlikely to happen before the fa and a league split

They already said what they want via their mouthpiece rugari. They want to expand by poaching the most well supported NSD clubs and pad out the top division unti they can split into 2 divisions - and own both. 

Which well supported NSD clubs is that?

It's ok I have Sydney FC, that's my club.

This wasn't an official announcement, there's no list of clubs they're after, they just signalled poaching the biggest. They were giving Rugari the "scoop" and getting him to try and sell it. He tried his best but he's a bit touched in the millenials because on the one hand he tries being some impartial observer of the whole thing and on the other hand, roasts the NSD and anyone involved in it on reddit like he thinks you can carry on multiple identities.

Not going to happen, so why not sit down with FA and discuss something that would be beneficial to football.