Nobody told you and the AL clubs to run yourselves into the ground. Suck it up.

You could argue that having a sook to the media is also dangerous to the A-League. Not a good look at all. Stop focusing on others and focus on yourselves. 

This isn't England where there's 20 clubs on 100 million a year.

Tv rights money is barely enough for 12 clubs

Sounds about right 

However, Peil warned: “The FA has to do the right thing by clubs - is it the right time to launch a second division? I personally don’t think it is.“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea.

My dear Mr Peil the FA IS doing the right thing by clubs, all 1000+ of the Australian football clubs in this country... Your foreign owned league is no longer within its care, suck it up.

this part right here is exactly why football will never take off in this country. Self interest kills our game.

Also pandering to people who don't even watch our game at our own expense.

Lets get back into winter football. The time of year the game should be played. 

It wouldnt be so tough to swallow if they actually gave two thirds of a shit about the game in the frist place and weren't so blatant about telling everyone its an entertainment product.

They dont spend money on a youth league because a website is more important... They couldnt give a fuck about sporting integrity so they have xclubs play each other an uneven number of times a season and add or subtract rounds fictures at a whime for the metrics and ONLY for the metrics.... Hosting rights for Grand final are sold to the nearest arsehole, the clubs have absolutely NO incetintive to even score a goal becuase the ladder rewards 1-0 wins the same as 15-0 ones... I mean where does it end with these clowns?

The old Soccer Australia and the wog NSL clubs were blatantly MORE self interested but those poor bastards wanted the best for the sport and their OWN glory through it but it was ALWAYS through Soccer NOT despite it.

Yep, and that even happens at local levels. My hometown's (Griffith) local competition has died over the past 10-15 years, because of self-interest. What was once a strong 8-10 team competition in rural NSW. And the quality of this league, well... very comparable to Shepparton.

We followed the blueprint of GV Suns, albeit in Canberra's NPL, and because clubs were so egotistical to work with each other, one club had effectively taken over the orignal joint operation (and it is now just their first grade squad competing in Canberra, successfully I might add, so kudos to them), but 3 of the rest of the Griffith "Big 5" have gone and joined, and dominated, Wagga's league. (well 2 joined, the 3rd is coming this season), whereas the 5th has now languished in Griffith's 4 team comp, which will essentially be a third grade competition for the Griffith teams competing in other leagues.

You are 100% correct, this is exactly why this sport has not taken off in over 50 years of following it, too much agenda driven rubbish.

The minute we unite, we will be strong, but too many have agendas & I'm not just talking of the APL, we are divided & that is a real shame.
SELF INTEREST kills the GAME in THIS COUNTRY.

Obviously Peil has seen the writing on the wall and has baled before his nightmare comes true.

Lol, I doubt he bailed in fear of a mythical competition that is never going to happen...  Biggest hurdle for CCM is the APL.... not a bunch of semi pro NPL clubs. 

I think it’s more the fear of the A-Leagues folding than a fear of a second competition and all his investment going’s down the drain, so he’s cut his losses.

Can't blame him.

If I lost seven million I'd be six and a half million in debt.

Yep about right !
Cut his loss’s while he may have half a mill left lol 

Note : Dave Lewis wrote this


However, from the actual quotes 

Ill try and run it through Google football translator:

“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea"
Were fucked, new franchises arent paying the 25 mill  we promised Silverlake and are lowballing the shit out of us, cant find owners for the other 2 rudderless ships, weve had to sack 50% of our staff and the broadcaster think we have AIDS. If we give the few fans we DO still have an idea that football can exist outside our little anime/manga hip hop plastic bubble we are faaaarkkkkked.

“We’re still trying to find our feet a bit (after diverging from FA) and I just feel it won’t help the current situation at all.“
Here there is NO cash, No cash here get it? Current PONZI situation only works if new entities pay the overseas fund managers otherwise what are we going to have left? A football competition? Pffft who cares.

I think you’ll find most of the other A-League owners don’t quite get the timing of it either.”
Most other A-league owners dont speak English and are confused what sport their investment is participating in.... Not sure why everywhere else in the world plays football (is that the correct spelling and how you say it?) in winter as do the other franchise leagues in Australia...

It's interesting that he used the term 'next to'.

Im not sure why you find this surprising?  

Of course the APL is going to see a national football competition as a rival to their money making ambitions..... 

Even they cannot, with any credibility, deny that the creation of another professional league wont help grow the sport but they dont want it to jeopardise the financial returns of a handful of foreigners... its ludicrous it has come to this.... they dont even hide behind the pretence of caring about "the sport" its just a means to an end, a product to sell to gullible consumers..... 

I didn't say surprising, I said interesting. It's not surprising at all that they feel that way.
He could have taken a number of paths during this brief interview, but he opted for the big sook.
He could have big upped the A-League, and talked about the A-League being the top tier in this country and bullshitted about all the great things they are doing.
Instead he just sooked.

Fair call.
Wasnt having a go BTW, Its just clear that they are starting to feel the pinch and will be dragged, kicking and screaming, through the next growth phase of football here.... 

Would LOVE to hear about all the "great things" they are doing by the way .... now THAT sounds interesting :P

Who is making money?
This second division comp won't last one season, why, because once they realise the cost of running it and the fact that asking parents to pay $5000 for their child to play in their junior and youth teams just in the hope of progressing into the senior team in what will be a pseudo NPL comp won't bring in  the revenue they'll need to continue. No bums on seats means no money means no comp. 
Where is Wollongong going to get enough money to exist? What will the Marconi board do to finance their team, divert money that should go to their members entertainment. Not that hasn't happened in previous years, has it.
Just explain to me where the money is coming from for it to be sustainable and a money making venture.

Nst is coming, get the fuck over it

So then, explain where the money is coming from ?

Why? Its coming. March or April 2025. Get over it.

More Aussie kids will get a chance to play football at a higher standard. I understand some are fucking traumatised by that but just peel the band aid fast and get on with it.

Your better than that.
I suspect what anyone would say you'll counter so whats the point.

Things are not as simple as they seem LFC.

I think they will just carry on as semi pro clubs with attendances that match that status.

To Sustain clubs that have been playing the same sport in this country for 70+ years??? What sort of question is that mate?
None of these clubs need Sevco to come along, we are talking about a minimal increase to their yearly spend which will be more than sufficiently covered by the increase in revenue that national exposure brings... best stay away from it if it offends you too much.

Who is offended, seems like you are , if anyones dares to question your little semi pro clubs.
What makes you feel that it will suceed this time ?

What makes you feel like it wont?

Don't get your knickers in a twist old boy, you dont have to watch it or support it.....

The only knickers twisted, are your own.

I actually hope it works, but history in this country, is against it.

Cant be twisted when Im not wearing any :)

Im surprised that you "hope it works" to be honest, your comments come across as if you really hope the opposite.

At one point in time.... I say the best period of the A-league was from 2013-17 when the TV rights  were In Foxtel and SBS.

160 million over 4 years or 40 million a year was sustainable for 10 clubs. 4 million each per club.

It crapped on the last tv deal which was 113 million over 7 years from 2006-13. 

Money making venture??? I think you are on the wrong thread mate. We are talking about a football competition , sport entertainment product PTY LTD is on the Aleague thread. Or on TikTok or Instagram or whatever it is these days the consumers are going crazy for.

At an overview your argument appears sound. However, there are a few major differences.
1.  Most NST clubs have a much lower cost structure in the use of their facilities.  A League clubs pay substantially more
2.  Most NST Clubs have a greater diversified income sources, many unrelated to the football business.
3. Some A-League clubs are struggling to establish recognition and support within their chosen communities.
4. NST Clubs are well aware of the risks. They are run along democratic lines which necessitates greater membership consultation.  These are made lightly, and nor on the basis of how big a person's wallet is, 

And that is great for 2nd tier football in this country.

Meanwhile clubs in the top tier go bankrupt because of the onerous costs of fielding a team.
Doesn’t make sense.

No reward for risk. How long are the members going to let the club pour millions into a comp that has no upside. Let's say it takes a minimum of 5 years before there is pro/rel who will still be around?
If aleague clubs can't succeed financially what makes you think  a pseudo NPL 1 comp will.

Well considering it has been nearly 20 years (longer for some) of no chance at promotion to the top league and these clubs are still around what, apart from your obvious hatred, makes you think they wont be around for another 20 years?

AC seems to have a bone to grind for football here to at least try/change and improve the last 20yrs of no mans land for the lower grades, amazing people are like this and yet he also bags out AL at times.
You can't win anything here in Oz no matter what side your on, we might as well just stay as we are and be satisfied with mediocrity for the good of game, seriously what a joke.

Its not his fault mate... For nearly 20 years the new dawn has been peddling this mantra of entertainment sports content is the only way... They watch the MLS and want the same thing here..... 

well ofcourse, they are their own entity so he speaks from their side of the fence hence our overall big picture football conundrum.

Seriously - I feel sorry for them (shutup MSC :)) for afterall it is the game I luv here and we'd all wish for success/growth but whilst we are 2 separate movements in our little small place its not going to work out.
No way is this APL going to grow to the heights like the next new thing of the early days.
For thats the main outlook/hangover why people think it can recover, it was a sugar hit (hiding/smoking the underlying issues) followed by the woeful mismanagement and model, they can add as many franchise's they want even at discounted $5M license's who are the followers/supporters going to be ????
Where they going to come from ?
Oh every new area like Canbra for eg, sugar hit for a while, wow new gig in our town, will be looked upon a success x 2/3yrs then it will drop and drop.

People are going to keep hoping this boat is going to make that huge long U turn its going to be the Aussie MLS success storey, I really can't see it.
The saudis can't win heaps new supporters spending billions.

The fish are where the fish are - grass roots (heaps of regos no1 sport) to NPL land.
Copious new followers are not going to come from young Gen Z/Alphas yaddayadda - NST below are the foundations of football, thousands of people are not going to APL thousands.

Sorry LFC, this goes both ways!!!! You cannot lay all the blame on one side, it takes all to unite.

I agree with you Robbo (I know you thought I wouldn't) You cant blame just one side.... grassroots and NPL football MUST do better to increase their visibility. They MUST have ambition to become better at what they do and how they serve their communities through football (I dont care if that community is regional, cultural, ethnic or religious it still a community).

Fact is that one side of the coin DOESNT want to unite whilst the other side doesn't have the ability too... solve that and you solve everything.

thats the key problem, both ways for sure but you miss a main point, we can't have 2 different leagues operating.
We are not big enough in every single matter that needs to grow the game.
1 does it this way the other does it that way.
Impossible.

By the way RoyalDave alot of good and mentioned points many times by many.

Don't think I missed the point LFC, I didn't agree with what the CCM CEO said, very stupid & again based on self interest.
My point is this is not one sided. Nick Galatas the NSD CEO has not been talking too kindly of the A-League & many others on Twitter, the us versus them mentality. They too are not showing the unity that is required as you clearly highlighted to grow the game.
The AFL doesn't have to worry about football because we are NOT UNITED.

Nick Galatas and the AAFC have nothing to do with the NST mate... they are volunteers, fans like you and me that decided to help do something about it... 

They gathered the real clubs together to see what they wanted, petitioned the FFA at the time and have gotten themselves an advisory (or is it an spectatory) position on the board of the now FA... Its is JJ and the baord of the new (Lowy free) Football Australia that have finally set us free to unite:

Football Australia wants all the clubs to be united,
Football Australia wants a club licensing system in place for all the clubs,
Football Australia wants expansion to happen from existing clubs and not from bullshit franchise plastic crap,
Football Australia wants promotion and relegation and a true football pyramid,
Football Australia wants all club football in Australia to be played in winter.... 
Football Australia want a national transfer system in place to fairly compensate clubs who develop players. 
Football Australia is United, 99% of all the clubs in this country are united

it is 11 foreign owned private franchises and their fans who DONT WANNA BE INCLUDED....... 

LFC, see what I mean, this does not sound like someone who wants a united competition.
He complains the A-League is a closed competition & won't follow it.
Yet he follows the AFL & that is a closed competition.
His beloved SMFC is now joining a closed competition.