Bozza claimed that the silverlake money needs to be paid back by 2029

Would be a miracle if they can pay that back.

If they can be profitable enough to pay it back that would suggest they are capable of expanding by a cool 25 mil per season...

So.... How did the APL waste 140 million again?

That 2017-23 deal we had that was 346 million over 6 years from Foxtel seems like a life time now 

Bozza claimed that the silverlake money needs to be paid back by 2029

Would be a miracle if they can pay that back.

Understood but it could kill both.

Can't kill Football, whatever decisions the latest set of suits make.

A-League model might kill the A-League ( I hope so)

FA setting up the NST as another stand alone competition with no P&R might kill the NST (I hope not, but maybe it also needs to happen)

FA have the power to create a Full Pyramid and they're still not doing it.

I just wonder if I'll still be alive when they come to their senses

As you well know the FA (Football Association) is the governing body of Football in the UK.
The FA is responsible for all regulatory aspects of the game of football in England and is responsible for promoting the development of the game at every level.

Maybe I could have expressed Brand comment better if possible.
Sorry a Club DNA to me goes back to the local roots foundations.
We all start up as players at the local Club, thats what I mean in the very very small picture.
Support grows by levels of play or Rep Club close by stepping up to follow another higher Club if so is typical progression to me OR family links or close friends playing for XYZ Club OR you just luv the stripe and your dragged in.
Maybe some see it another way and I expect you'll say thats why you stand behind SFC because you couldn't relate to the ethnics, I get you stick by them but I don't see them as a core start up club as I see it and you'l argue yours.

Top tier Clubs not matter large or small and forward under ogarlords where did they commence originally ? (exception one like RB in Bundas and similar here or there are a minority though RB did come from a local small time Club)
We are not disputing or challenging my offshore passion and being a half cast Aussie/wog speaking aussie, we're talking about games and Clubs that as you say, you have pre game and post drinks, talk about the past talk about the highs and lows yep correct......
You prefer SFC, I'd sooner see Manly/any northern old Club climb the ladder, get promoted, get relegated - banter with mates and against wearing their colours.
APIA/SU go back to fam ties, stalwarts of the game failed and not.
You keep having a sore neck carrying on about the failed past, its moved on, its better understood, they have suffered and can't be the same.
Obviously JJ doesn't see the future like you call it being trouble (anything new will have its issues no doubt nothing is perfect) for otherwise WHY has he perserved in getting the NST up and running tell me ?
He knows the game to move forward HAS to have this to move ahead.
The APL are the 2nd entity who have stuffed up the Pro level robbos, worse the first gen had it all and still screwed it up.
There is only so many new invested supporters like yourselves I'm afraid - people after all this damn time is cringing for a system here finally like the FA mentioned above.
Its there for the taking and to finally unite football and move on and give it a go, no it can't work with 2 separate models too many complications as if it isn't complicated enough.

Muz quotes some very other valid points - say the NST does OK going forward, obviosuly there is a small % of NPL support who go to WSW/SFC/CCM games for eg, they will hedge their bets with clash of koffs for starters.
This will test alot of time poor people when you think about it.

I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies.
I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL.
I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle.
As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside.

Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. 

Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC.

So you "have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football" but also think that if these clubs are involved the NSD will fail? Have I got that about right?

Like I said you put words into my mouth.
Re read it again mate.

If they are strong enough & rich enough to all gain entry to the top tier of football via pro/reg well who knows.
If you think that the teams in the NSD will just replace all the teams in the A-League then no we remain divided.
Maybe you don't care as long as SMH in the top tier, but I'm thinking football as a whole.

So we go from the league will be right sizing in one day and now fans want to sign marquee players like Dzeko the next? Cant make this up...

Some clubs have been advised that they will only have 12 home games. It makes sense with a balanced home and away (except one home game will be the in the Unite round and not at home). so 12 home games, 13 away games and the Unite Round for most clubs. 13 home and 13 away for the club/city hosting Unite round. 

No words in your mouth Robbo, just trying to clarify your stance.

In your previous response to LFC you state (in your words) :

"I agree that the APL admin has totally stuffed it up, hoping James Johnson can regroup & unite, but if you relying on the NSD ONLY with the same old clubs that failed football before well, we are in trouble."

Here is the thing though, the NSD and the leagues linked to it, is going to be made up (at least so far) with clubs that you believe have already failed football (oh and Avondale who are an "effnik" club who you wouldnt consider supporting anyways unless I put more words in your mouth?) The NSD (and the NPLs and State leagues that we are all praying are linked up)  is not going to "replace" the Aleague, if it does it has failed already.  One stand alone franchise league, closed off from "football as a whole" is enough of a burden for any country to have to deal with. If thats ALL the NSD ends up being then this is a MASSIVE failure . . Oh and dont forget that, whilst a fairly big majority of football clubs in Australia are "effnik" there are heaps of clubs (look at Tasmania bid and GCU as examples, or even most of the NPL clubs in round of 32 for Australia Cup) that dont fall under your boogeyman wog club umbrella... 

Bottom line is this new NSD is the final hope for any kind of national unity amongst all the football clubs in Australia... The APL franchises are the only ones that are standing apart from this and will NEVER be allowed by their investors, to join up.. SO much for caring about "football as a whole" eh?

Arent their only going to be 13 clubs in the Aleague next year??? How does that work mate? 13 home and 13 away against 12 other clubs?

Lynchy junior certainly has a neat turn of phrase :)  as for less games... wow thats no good.... 

OK Mono, whatever!!! You keep talking about 'wogs' & 'effniks' & boogeyman like a victim all you want. As you know I'm one too as are some of my mates at Sydney FC.
Suppose Sydney has moved on maybe Melbourne is still stuck in the 60s/70s.
We are a cosmopolitan city & wogs & effniks are accepted these days & rarely get those name calling like the 60s/70s. No doubt there are still some rednecks out there.

Now who's putting words in other poster's mouths Robbo?? hahaha you get too emotive when I call you out on your hypocrisy my friend, let it go. Im sure Sydney is an assimilationist nirvana, I spend the least amount of time there I possibly can so wouldn't know.  Hope your franchise is one of the ones that survives otherwise you may have to go back to "supporting all of football" like before eh? 

Your last sentence, " go back to supporting all of Football " like before. Maybe if you all did support football before, then there would have been no need for the A league !

I never said I can't relate to ethnics, you starting to sound like Mono, putting words into my mouth. Like I have said in my original group of SFC fans, there were people from English, Italian, Croatian, Greek, Dutch & of course Portuguese heritage, they were all Aussies.
I said, me personally would not choose to follow a club like SMH (like Mono) or Apia (like yourself), my choice as they don't represent me, I have no problems anyone else supporting them or having them in the top tier of football, but this is not in MY CONTROL.
I said APL has totally stuffed things up & hope JJ can unite the APL, with the NSD & the NPL & Grassroots (from what I hear they are talking & relationship is closer together) & they can build a pyramid where pro/rel happens. But if they/he can't do that, yes then I'm worried that if the A-League falls, the NSD on it's own will struggle.
As for Brand, you follow Liverpool FC & you & your kids have never played reps there, nor have you got scouser accents. I'm sure the odd one like Stevie G & TAA has come thru the ranks, but most come from outside.

Like I said for football to succeed, all the parties need to unite, maybe I'm dreaming, maybe the APL won't allow it, but at present they have their tail between their legs & time for compromise is now. 

Clubs like Sydney FC needs to align themselves with clubs like Manly & you can see the progression there, many Manly juniors now in Sydney FC.

I actually understood what you've said re the ethnic clubs in other posts, they don't/didn't represent you thats fine I know, relax, my bad prob worded it wrong hence your read.
Re having them be in top flight (one day maybe) most times you say all its doing is bringing back the past and you see no good of it - maybe maybe not we shall see but its  whole new ball game compared to way back then, Sir Arthur George etcetc whereas alot has moved on, improved, opened eyes and there is JJ leading the modern day outlook.
He sees the need of doing one huge step for mankind.
Don't think the APL will fold up in the short term, its in their hands we can only watch and see how it can rebuild over the next couple of seasons or more, in the meantime we hope NST stands up in its infant stages and see what prevails.
Sooner of later something is going to give, be it JJ, be it the APL, be it the fans.

Yes we all dream of unity - this rests with the above in some shape or form.

The APL Clubs here in Syd long ago we're trying to align with local Clubs not just NPL, my own Club for the Jnrs SFC would turn up to hold training evenings, players like Sasa Og etcetc.
They have been there done that, member discounts through Club websites, most are aligned with close vicinity NPL's is obvious, they need to milk players not just from their academies.

Hopefully one day a skint thread will be history - hopefully before you and I are you no where.

Unity means different things to different people LFC... APL want everyone united to just "their"  version of football.... Those "alignments" with NPL clubs you mention are not equal partnerships, they are "untapped markets"....  

So why the "need" for it now? To appease less than a thousand kids with cowbells?

It was needed because your previous league died, due to , lack of support , no P&R and attendances that would make MacArthur blush. That is just the biggest three IMHO.