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very well phrased mate, agree and this is one of the barriers that needs to be broken down. If the Burlin Wall could be smashed so can the 55% Feds vote.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 +x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 Ive sort of done a 180 in my thinking on this.... State Feds are going to have assume a few more administrative functions to get the whole pyramid aligned... First key one is they all "march to the same tune" This. On top of that there are rgional federations and associations and they are all doing their own thing which is crazy. You should be able to go from Broome WA to Burnie in Tas and expect to see the same rules enforced. Yep bingo - this is what needs to be done. AFL does it with their state branches. Hahaha. Can't even one driver's license for all of Aus. In this day and age, when I hear about the "Australia Card", I have no idea how/why the government did not make that work. Hahaha I remeber the hordes protesters worried that this was the "666" as promised in the bible..... I remember those loons too. It'd be a thousand times worse now though. 'It's a Blackrock/Vanguard, Bill gates, nanobot, 5G, paedophile tracking card to lock us all into the 15 minute cities they're planning.' Nothing big gets done in Australia unless both mobs come to the party. It's a minor miracle the NBN got built. :) Aw just gotta love the internet... it lets all the loons gather in one place ... sort of like here :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 +x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 Ive sort of done a 180 in my thinking on this.... State Feds are going to have assume a few more administrative functions to get the whole pyramid aligned... First key one is they all "march to the same tune" This. On top of that there are rgional federations and associations and they are all doing their own thing which is crazy. You should be able to go from Broome WA to Burnie in Tas and expect to see the same rules enforced. Yep bingo - this is what needs to be done. AFL does it with their state branches. Hahaha. Can't even one driver's license for all of Aus. In this day and age, when I hear about the "Australia Card", I have no idea how/why the government did not make that work. Hahaha I remeber the hordes protesters worried that this was the "666" as promised in the bible..... I remember those loons too. It'd be a thousand times worse now though. 'It's a Blackrock/Vanguard, Bill gates, nanobot, 5G, paedophile tracking card to lock us all into the 15 minute cities they're planning.' Nothing big gets done in Australia unless both mobs come to the party. It's a minor miracle the NBN got built.
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+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 The FA need to stand UP and put their foot down and bang all these heads together that put up resistance. IIRC Feds have 55% of the vote, so you're going to be lucky to get the Turkeys to vote for Thanksgiving
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+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 incl the the other posts leading on - I've been banging this tune forever, every State should have the same same so as everyone from admin meaning Feds to players/supporters are on the same page..... The FA need to stand UP and put their foot down and bang all these heads together that put up resistance. I get some Regional areas here and there may not be able to impose same process/comps due to late of structure/support and distances but foir the bulk same same.
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+x+x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 +x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 Ive sort of done a 180 in my thinking on this.... State Feds are going to have assume a few more administrative functions to get the whole pyramid aligned... First key one is they all "march to the same tune" This. On top of that there are rgional federations and associations and they are all doing their own thing which is crazy. You should be able to go from Broome WA to Burnie in Tas and expect to see the same rules enforced. Yep bingo - this is what needs to be done. AFL does it with their state branches. Hahaha. Can't even one driver's license for all of Aus. In this day and age, when I hear about the "Australia Card", I have no idea how/why the government did not make that work. Hahaha I remeber the hordes protesters worried that this was the "666" as promised in the bible.....
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+x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 +x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 Ive sort of done a 180 in my thinking on this.... State Feds are going to have assume a few more administrative functions to get the whole pyramid aligned... First key one is they all "march to the same tune" This. On top of that there are rgional federations and associations and they are all doing their own thing which is crazy. You should be able to go from Broome WA to Burnie in Tas and expect to see the same rules enforced. Yep bingo - this is what needs to be done. AFL does it with their state branches. And look at how powerful they are and successful at lobbying governments. Thats exactly what I was thinking..... The one "good" thing Football VIC has been doing lately is successfully squeezing money out of local council budgets for facilities upgrades.... Its not a pass mark mind you, but at least it is starting to have effect...
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+x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 +x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 Ive sort of done a 180 in my thinking on this.... State Feds are going to have assume a few more administrative functions to get the whole pyramid aligned... First key one is they all "march to the same tune" This. On top of that there are rgional federations and associations and they are all doing their own thing which is crazy. You should be able to go from Broome WA to Burnie in Tas and expect to see the same rules enforced. Yep bingo - this is what needs to be done. AFL does it with their state branches. Hahaha. Can't even one driver's license for all of Aus. In this day and age, when I hear about the "Australia Card", I have no idea how/why the government did not make that work.
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+x+x+xNSD (Australian Championship), pro/rel in the state leagues (rename it to APL ffs), expand to Canberra, establish a local tansfer market and everything will be fine. Really baffles me why we are trying to reinvent the wheel. The skeleton is there we just need to fill in the gaps. Can't stress that if the NST is called the Australian Championship, the NPL must be changed to APL of consistency. A-league > Aus Championship > Aus Prem Leagues. *Chefs Kiss* Some lawn bowls thing has the trade mark for another seven years on Australian Premier League. I don't know if adding an "S" to make it Leagues would get it over the line, it looks like FFA tried to register that in 2012 but it was rejected. It's annoying because that bowls company only applied for that name 18 months earlier! https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/search/view/1437345?s=b79f5b3c-1767-4591-9bde-bb4040d37d53 Surely we can beat out a bunch of pensioners. Or negotiate. Good point about buying out, I wonder why we didn't. AFL bought out Brisbane Lions, I'd love to know how much they sold out for?
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+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 +x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 Ive sort of done a 180 in my thinking on this.... State Feds are going to have assume a few more administrative functions to get the whole pyramid aligned... First key one is they all "march to the same tune" This. On top of that there are rgional federations and associations and they are all doing their own thing which is crazy. You should be able to go from Broome WA to Burnie in Tas and expect to see the same rules enforced. Yep bingo - this is what needs to be done. AFL does it with their state branches. Hahaha. Can't even one driver's license for all of Aus.
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+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 +x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 Ive sort of done a 180 in my thinking on this.... State Feds are going to have assume a few more administrative functions to get the whole pyramid aligned... First key one is they all "march to the same tune" This. On top of that there are rgional federations and associations and they are all doing their own thing which is crazy. You should be able to go from Broome WA to Burnie in Tas and expect to see the same rules enforced. Yep bingo - this is what needs to be done. AFL does it with their state branches. And look at how powerful they are and successful at lobbying governments.
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+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 +x+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 Ive sort of done a 180 in my thinking on this.... State Feds are going to have assume a few more administrative functions to get the whole pyramid aligned... First key one is they all "march to the same tune" This. On top of that there are rgional federations and associations and they are all doing their own thing which is crazy. You should be able to go from Broome WA to Burnie in Tas and expect to see the same rules enforced. Yep bingo - this is what needs to be done. AFL does it with their state branches.
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+x+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 Ive sort of done a 180 in my thinking on this.... State Feds are going to have assume a few more administrative functions to get the whole pyramid aligned... First key one is they all "march to the same tune" This. On top of that there are rgional federations and associations and they are all doing their own thing which is crazy. You should be able to go from Broome WA to Burnie in Tas and expect to see the same rules enforced.
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+x+xNSD (Australian Championship), pro/rel in the state leagues (rename it to APL ffs), expand to Canberra, establish a local tansfer market and everything will be fine. Really baffles me why we are trying to reinvent the wheel. The skeleton is there we just need to fill in the gaps. Can't stress that if the NST is called the Australian Championship, the NPL must be changed to APL of consistency. A-league > Aus Championship > Aus Prem Leagues. *Chefs Kiss* Some lawn bowls thing has the trade mark for another seven years on Australian Premier League. I don't know if adding an "S" to make it Leagues would get it over the line, it looks like FFA tried to register that in 2012 but it was rejected. It's annoying because that bowls company only applied for that name 18 months earlier! https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/search/view/1437345?s=b79f5b3c-1767-4591-9bde-bb4040d37d53 Surely we can beat out a bunch of pensioners. Or negotiate.
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+x+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡 Ive sort of done a 180 in my thinking on this.... State Feds are going to have assume a few more administrative functions to get the whole pyramid aligned... First key one is they all "march to the same tune"
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+x+xDont know that I agree with you here mate... Joey tends to ask some uncomfortable questions of both FA and APL. "Shill" may be a bit harsh.... IMHO he does toe the party-line a great deal of the time, and he has no qualms about fraternising w/the regime’s cheerleaders. In any case, he’s def a nepo-baby. Pity we can’t all be Michael Lynch’s kids lol Can't argue with that one :) lol
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+xAlso scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy. *Not scrap them per se but strip them of their autonomy so they’re effectively State-branches of FFA w/the sole function of enacting the national body’s policies💡
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+xDont know that I agree with you here mate... Joey tends to ask some uncomfortable questions of both FA and APL. "Shill" may be a bit harsh.... IMHO he does toe the party-line a great deal of the time, and he has no qualms about fraternising w/the regime’s cheerleaders. In any case, he’s def a nepo-baby. Pity we can’t all be Michael Lynch’s kids lol
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+xNSD (Australian Championship), pro/rel in the state leagues (rename it to APL ffs), expand to Canberra, establish a local tansfer market and everything will be fine. Really baffles me why we are trying to reinvent the wheel. The skeleton is there we just need to fill in the gaps. Can't stress that if the NST is called the Australian Championship, the NPL must be changed to APL of consistency. A-league > Aus Championship > Aus Prem Leagues. *Chefs Kiss* Some lawn bowls thing has the trade mark for another seven years on Australian Premier League. I don't know if adding an "S" to make it Leagues would get it over the line, it looks like FFA tried to register that in 2012 but it was rejected. It's annoying because that bowls company only applied for that name 18 months earlier! https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/search/view/1437345?s=b79f5b3c-1767-4591-9bde-bb4040d37d53
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Also scrap state feds and the cap. Unnecessary bureaucracy.
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NSD (Australian Championship), pro/rel in the state leagues (rename it to APL ffs), expand to Canberra, establish a local tansfer market and everything will be fine. Really baffles me why we are trying to reinvent the wheel. The skeleton is there we just need to fill in the gaps. Can't stress that if the NST is called the Australian Championship, the NPL must be changed to APL of consistency. A-league > Aus Championship > Aus Prem Leagues. *Chefs Kiss*
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+x+x[quote]There is a really good piece by Joey Lynch from ESPN which explains it well.
I'd take most anything written by that nepo-baby FFA/APL shill w/industrial grades of salt, TBH... Dont know that I agree with you here mate... Joey tends to ask some uncomfortable questions of both FA and APL. "Shill" may be a bit harsh....
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+x[quote]There is a really good piece by Joey Lynch from ESPN which explains it well.
I'd take most anything written by that nepo-baby FFA/APL shill w/industrial grades of salt, TBH...
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+x+x+xThe very old saying every cloud has a silver lining. The errors of the past management of the APL are well stated and recorded. The result as well all know, is a huge reduction in funding from the broadcast deal.What this will do is force clubs to change the way they operate. The Mariners have always sold players to stay afloat, more recently so have Adelaide. JJ has spoke at length about clubs needing to develop transfer fees as a regular part of their operating model. Two things I think will emerge, all clubs will start to play younger players which will be slightly cheaper, but if each club developed one player per year who was sold overseas and we had 14 clubs. That is 14 players, off to Europe, Japan, MLS or wherever to further develop. Over time we could have over 100 locally developed players playing overseas. That will be very good for National sides, arguably cheaper to run, and many good players in their mid teens staying in Football rather than take up league or AFL. The news is not good, but it may force change at club level administration. Re: the part I bolded... what you are saying is incorrect. Simon Hill tweeted late in the season that broadcast revenue hasn't dropped. He has made enquiries internally and was told this much. The reason why club distribution has dropped is because the APL require a chunk of the money for running costs now that the Silver Lake money has gone. Per the smh article about Conroy/Garcia info session He all but confirmed the $140 million private equity investment from Silver Lake had been spent and that penalty clauses within the APL’s broadcast rights deal with Paramount – as first reported by this masthead – had meant it was not worth as much as was publicly announced when the deal was inked in May 2021, thus necessitating immediate budgetary adjustments well there you go, what now FTB ?
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+x+xThe very old saying every cloud has a silver lining. The errors of the past management of the APL are well stated and recorded. The result as well all know, is a huge reduction in funding from the broadcast deal.What this will do is force clubs to change the way they operate. The Mariners have always sold players to stay afloat, more recently so have Adelaide. JJ has spoke at length about clubs needing to develop transfer fees as a regular part of their operating model. Two things I think will emerge, all clubs will start to play younger players which will be slightly cheaper, but if each club developed one player per year who was sold overseas and we had 14 clubs. That is 14 players, off to Europe, Japan, MLS or wherever to further develop. Over time we could have over 100 locally developed players playing overseas. That will be very good for National sides, arguably cheaper to run, and many good players in their mid teens staying in Football rather than take up league or AFL. The news is not good, but it may force change at club level administration. Re: the part I bolded... what you are saying is incorrect. Simon Hill tweeted late in the season that broadcast revenue hasn't dropped. He has made enquiries internally and was told this much. The reason why club distribution has dropped is because the APL require a chunk of the money for running costs now that the Silver Lake money has gone. Per the smh article about Conroy/Garcia info session He all but confirmed the $140 million private equity investment from Silver Lake had been spent and that penalty clauses within the APL’s broadcast rights deal with Paramount – as first reported by this masthead – had meant it was not worth as much as was publicly announced when the deal was inked in May 2021, thus necessitating immediate budgetary adjustments
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+xThe very old saying every cloud has a silver lining. The errors of the past management of the APL are well stated and recorded. The result as well all know, is a huge reduction in funding from the broadcast deal.What this will do is force clubs to change the way they operate. The Mariners have always sold players to stay afloat, more recently so have Adelaide. JJ has spoke at length about clubs needing to develop transfer fees as a regular part of their operating model. Two things I think will emerge, all clubs will start to play younger players which will be slightly cheaper, but if each club developed one player per year who was sold overseas and we had 14 clubs. That is 14 players, off to Europe, Japan, MLS or wherever to further develop. Over time we could have over 100 locally developed players playing overseas. That will be very good for National sides, arguably cheaper to run, and many good players in their mid teens staying in Football rather than take up league or AFL. The news is not good, but it may force change at club level administration. My theory is that CCM are successful at the moment because they have been following this model since day 1. Everyone now has to take on this strategy and its taking time to implement. It's also brought about a drop in standard as the quality last season was the worst i have ever seen. Re: the part I bolded... what you are saying is incorrect. Simon Hill tweeted late in the season that broadcast revenue hasn't dropped. He has made enquiries internally and was told this much. The reason why club distribution has dropped is because the APL require a chunk of the money for running costs now that the Silver Lake money has gone.
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+x+x+xtell me Guus, when you have a car thats struggling to be reliable do you keep pouring money into it ? When your appliances keep letting you down do you keep using them ? Mate we're all for the better of game, be it positive or negative no matter what side. IF I look at it as you do - I block the fellow posters who are for the APL, mate we're all on the same pitch but I'll block you because someone has a opposing opinion or outlook to myself. Thats kids stuff, I enjoy the discussions here from either side of the fence, its civil. +x+x+x+xIt's really amazing because when I joined this forum. We had a fully engaged ratings/attendance and membership thread. We wanted every club to average 10k to a match Wanderers were beating gws There was such a sense of optimism Now we're barely surviving Must have been a nice time. I'm a newer member here and can't help but notice posters actively wanting the A-League to die. I was thinking maybe I should block them, but I'm not sure where to do that and it probably won't leave too many posts to see hahaha. I follow the AL and hope it survives. I'm optimistic it will. I wouldn't be offended by posters that don't support it. To each their own. I think it's important to recognise the AL wasn't good for all football fans in Australia. It really screwed the NSL and ethnic based clubs. Made them a scape goat. It was unfair to do it (to put it mildly) and theres no wonder theres some bad blood. If you recognise that it's easy to understand and not take it personally. I hope the NSD and ultimately pro-rel happens and mends some fences. Gets the best from all the clubs and their supporters in the interest of football in Australia. Quicky its NEVER personal, at least not from me anyway... We are all football lovers first and foremost, that is clear to see. Im personally happy to have some individual franchises survive (except for WU ... fuck those dodgy realestate frauds) and thrive but the Aleague as it stands ( closed off, pay to participate, lopsided draw, entertainment product) needs to die.... Everyone claims to want UNITY but it can NEVER happen when one league operates like the Aleague and the other 50+ leagues in Australia dont. The APL cannot survive if it doesn't operate on the principle of receiving a cash injection by selling a participation agreement to the next "expansion" and by not guarantying an exclusive economic territory to certain clubs in order for them to monopolise the commercial and social opportunities whithin a particular region in order to maximise their return on their investment... That doesnt allow for promotion and relegation or even the existence of clubs that geographically "overlap" APL owners voting for UNITY is like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.. The A-League doesn’t “need to die” my good man. But evolve for the better, absolutely! The league is nowhere near it’s finished state. Agree, it can’t be closed off… pay to play has an expiry (a decade away but surely remaining licences can be refunded if relegated)… lopsided draw is annoying but should be gone after next season with Canberra/Gold Coast entering and Unite Round winding up… and “entertainment product” was so silly to display but probably trying to be agreeable with broadcasters (hasn’t helped much!). The A-League is entertaining and does develop players, but you don’t specifically put those labels on it, silly move. Hey Guus, I guess you are right, It doesnt have to die but it cannot go on operating as it is... thats my point. The Alegue's "finished state" will be 20 or 24 or 28 teams or whatever they deem saturation point for selling licenses will be and then closed off forever. (they even had some bright spark try and pitch it as promotion relegation if they get to two conferences and shuffle franchises between them).. NOTHING in the APLs planning on language has changed mate... The will NOT amalgamate their league with FA NST or the thousands of clubs below... they can't, even if they wanted to. Yeah, I feel like the last eight or nine years of turmoil and bad decisions have stifled a bunch of things... healing with “old soccer” sooner, better expansion clubs, faster and smoother FA/APL split, NST sooner, pro/rel sooner… but they dragged it on and messed it up a bit. Johnson comes in and within 12 months gets the split done. I know what you mean about APL not budging. They obviously have a lot on their plate at the moment, their own doing… but even if everything was sunshine and rainbows for them, they still wouldn’t be going out of their way to accept pro/rel. They’d probably ask, “What’s in it for us?”. The good thing is, it’s not their choice. It doesn’t matter what the APL want, it’s FA’s call when and how to implement pro/rel, the APL club licences provide for that. So, stiff shite APL haha! Now, the clubs have paid to play until 2034. Most of that cash has been refunded (to the expansion clubs anyway). But I would imagine that if pro/rel comes in, the relegated club would have part of that remaining fee refunded, if any remaining. And I’d guess that refund would come from FA, so they can afford it. But it would be nice if the APL could actually see how a connected pyramid would benefit them. I wouldn’t actually mind the APL expanding to a few more areas. While I think of it, how is Gold Coast United run these days, is it still a franchise or members? The way I can envisage it, APL gets to 16-18 clubs. NST gets to 16 clubs and then starts promoting to A-League until that gets to around 20. The healthiest clubs that meet the NST licencing keep getting hand-picked from NPL to join NST, maybe get up to 18-20 clubs as well. Then we cull back to 16 in each and have full pro/rel, and we’ll have properly licenced clubs heading down to the third tier raising the standards there and ready to go for next time. But there are plenty of ways to get it done, at least we’re taking steps in the right direction with the NST. Would we consider NST pay to play? I suppose it’s more guaranteeing they have funds to support themselves for a few years. The word was they’ll be licenced for two or three years, so no relegation for at least that time. Anyway, I’m pumped. Christmas is coming soon, even though it’s all or mostly NSW+VIC. Gotta start somewhere. I think they’ll miss a trick if they don’t have one SA and QLD club straight up, but those clubs have to put their hand up first!
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+xNumb """ What "lack of Unity" do you think will exist after a Full Pyramid is in place""" I repeat, I am not arguing against pro rel... its weird anyone who does not go straight to wam bam from go to pass go... is anti pro rel... I have been around Football since I was 4 years old... thats 66 years ago, and we have never had anything close to unity.... and what with one decision all the infighting goes and its all rainbows, lolly pops and sugar coated lemon drops.... What we need is a workable system that will lead to pro rel.... well thats how I see it... I said P&R will get rid of the lack of Unity, You said you doubt it I'd just like to know what Unity problems would exist Simple question, but you respond with Word Salads. Sorry, but I'm none the wiser for it.
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+xMon & LFC Huge respect to you both... and even more respect that you are still hanging about and feel passion. My issue is not with your ideas, nor where you wan to see Football...... My issue is you and in a broader sense those that hold similar views dismiss any other ideas other than essentially a European based Football model established in the late 1800's in nations where its Football first daylight second, which is not universal across every nation and pro rel in particular has a number of different variants. Thr reason given is that it works in over 200 nations and it will work here ... IF ONLY.... Whats interesting to me is, I have repeatedly said I want pro rel.... I want change... but I see a different way to get there... and concede there are a number of things to be put in place before it can be done.... further I accept as a code we have often shot ourselves in the foot which has caused a lot of harm. Numb """ What "lack of Unity" do you think will exist after a Full Pyramid is in place""" I repeat, I am not arguing against pro rel... its weird anyone who does not go straight to wam bam from go to pass go... is anti pro rel... I have been around Football since I was 4 years old... thats 66 years ago, and we have never had anything close to unity.... and what with one decision all the infighting goes and its all rainbows, lolly pops and sugar coated lemon drops.... What we need is a workable system that will lead to pro rel.... well thats how I see it... Middy the respect is reciprocated mate, I promise you... Sure LFC and I want wham bam immediate change but here is the crux... APL want NO CHANGE!!!!! none, zilch, zip,nada.... Thats the point.... Pro/Rel is NOT creating 12 more franchises and closing the door behind you to the other 1000 clubs... we deserve AND demand more. Oh and nothing to do with Europe mate, happy to see ANY system of rewarding sporting ambition...
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Mon & LFC
Huge respect to you both... and even more respect that you are still hanging about and feel passion.
My issue is not with your ideas, nor where you wan to see Football...... My issue is you and in a broader sense those that hold similar views dismiss any other ideas other than essentially a European based Football model established in the late 1800's in nations where its Football first daylight second, which is not universal across every nation and pro rel in particular has a number of different variants. Thr reason given is that it works in over 200 nations and it will work here ... IF ONLY....
Whats interesting to me is, I have repeatedly said I want pro rel.... I want change... but I see a different way to get there... and concede there are a number of things to be put in place before it can be done.... further I accept as a code we have often shot ourselves in the foot which has caused a lot of harm.
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""" What "lack of Unity" do you think will exist after a Full Pyramid is in place"""
I repeat, I am not arguing against pro rel... its weird anyone who does not go straight to wam bam from go to pass go... is anti pro rel...
I have been around Football since I was 4 years old... thats 66 years ago, and we have never had anything close to unity.... and what with one decision all the infighting goes and its all rainbows, lolly pops and sugar coated lemon drops....
What we need is a workable system that will lead to pro rel.... well thats how I see it...
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