The very old saying every cloud has a silver lining.

The errors of the past management of the APL are well stated and recorded. The result  as well all know, is a huge reduction in funding from the broadcast deal.

What this will do is force clubs to change the way they operate.

The Mariners have always sold players to stay afloat, more recently so have Adelaide.

JJ has spoke at length about clubs needing to develop transfer fees as a regular part of their operating model.

Two things I think will emerge, all clubs will start to play younger players which will be slightly cheaper, but if each club developed one player per year who was sold overseas and we had 14 clubs.

That is 14 players, off to Europe, Japan, MLS or wherever to further develop. Over time we could have over 100 locally developed players playing overseas.

That will be very good for National sides, arguably cheaper to run, and many good players in their mid teens staying in Football rather than take up league or AFL.

The news is not good, but it may force change at club level administration.



 

I agree. If we can survive this period it could really help the nt

The question is why did it take financial pressure for clubs to start chasing money on the teansfermarkt

If the a league survives i hope they dont go back to playing 34 year old foreign journeymen again

leading in to covid and post the talk was of the amount of youngsters being used and emerging.
Infact some were saying how good it was post covid season/s so don't understand forcing the APL Clubs looking to use more Jnrs, they have been.
The only diff is some Clubs don't work the transfer model like others such as CCM.
The big usual 4 have the resources as has been mentioned many times.

One risk is that bozza is claiming the 140mil has to be paid by 2029

I have also heard that, DT signed a doc that apparently allowed Silver lake if things turned sour to convert their shares into a loan.

As an aside, last year according to APL rating when up by over 30%.

HHHMMMmmmm why then is the broadcast deal down or is it the interest payment to Silver lake that has caused the fall in revenue.

My guess is the repayments

Conway mentioned the debts. Also simon hill stated there has been no cut to tv revenue and that is just fox having a go at a rival. Those sources sound more reliable than the noise from fox

Without the repayments we probably dont cut this year. But even a bigger tv deal might partially go to repayments

It certainly makes the original apl boards transgressions even more egregious!

If the fa take over it will become their debt

Absolutely zero chance of FA wasting money on the A-Leagues.
My guess is that if the APL fail then clubs will be invited to join the Championship.

that would be a bad thing imo

a separate top division and fa means the fa can focus on grass roots and work towards p and r happening

if the championship is run by the apl it is the same incentive structure as the nsl and a league has had and you can forget about a connected pyramid (although you might see some weird version of p and r temporarily tried like it was in the nsl era)

we need two top divisions for football to move forward

It should encourage clubs to work with what realistically they have, you think there will be more opportunities for young players providing they do it properly and more emphasis on finding good players from overseas that won't cost alot so clubs should think twice with regards to scouting and work with their means.

It will be an challenging time but im always optimistic for future.

Hopefully we get news on the NSD soon and of course our national teams always give us hope.

Ah yes promotion and relegation is the difference in this league making money and going broke.

Yep the AFL and NRL have promotion and relegation 

P and r is best for football in australia. We are in a global sport which means we need to optimize what is best for producing the best possible national team. A better national team benefits the a league and there are cash pools in football not available to other codes like the transfer markt, national team tv rights, prize money and participation revenue 

Not sure about afl but the nrl has the governing body run the league like we used to. This governing structure makes p and r more unlikely. As soon as the fa split from the apl the nst finally got momentum. If the nrl split from the oz rugby league commision it wouldnt surprise me that they would build a nst and p and r even without the pressure of global competition

Invited to join, or beg to join, the result is the same.... 

Rugari on Conroy

and that penalty clauses within the APL’s broadcast rights deal with Paramount – as first reported by this masthead – had meant it was not worth as much as was publicly announced when the deal was inked in May 2021, thus necessitating immediate budgetary adjustments

At least one of these is not true

This.

Since covid the a league have been forced to play more junior players anyway. 

We have unearthed an extravagant amount of young talent like we haven't before since the cutting of cost.

This is the one major positive aspect which should continue even when things start going well and money comes back into the game

It's really amazing because when I joined this forum. We had a fully engaged ratings/attendance and membership thread.

We wanted every club to average 10k to a match 
Wanderers were beating gws 
There was such a sense of optimism 

Now we're barely surviving 

... and there is no longer the boogeyman of "old soccer" to blame....  I wonder what they next revival of the sport is going to be "New Soccer" perhaps?

I like the AAFC cheeky suggestion a few years back "Football, as we know it" hahahahaha

Thankyou V and nice to see you posting mate.

Yer I don't get the waffle Middy/Graz carry on about - its misleading to a degree re Jnr's.
Unless I'm blind that I can't read or view on the screens I watch there is way way more Jnr's/young introduced by the APL Clubs.
Infact where is any decent named marquee anymore, feck all so what they on about Clubs will be forced more to introduce more of their Jnrs/Academy players, they frigging are and some have HAD to because they broke or NO owners till of late.
PG/Newy - heaps of no names for they've had no budget/resource but for keeping afloat by their APL system handouts.
BR have been skimming the budget for yonks - many young fellas mixed with 2nd rate experienced players.
Seriously get real.
What some have lacked is transfers, well maybe no one abroad like whats on offer ? anyone thought of that ?

Question Graz or whoever who knows where to search - how many Aussie players are currently on contract abroad please ?

Well find out the truth when/if Simon Hill moves on from Paramount and does his customary "I couldnt talk before but now I can reveal....." piece. 

Must have been a nice time. I'm a newer member here and can't help but notice posters actively wanting the A-League to die. I was thinking maybe I should block them, but I'm not sure where to do that and it probably won't leave too many posts to see hahaha.

There is a really good piece by Joey Lynch from ESPN which explains it well.

I agree completely that the short term thinking of clubs hasn’t helped and that’s probably why we got here in the first place, I remember when the salary cap would be covered by the Fox sports deal so there was little consequences on who they sign and keep.

But it meant experienced and foreign players were put ahead of young players who were an after thought, before covid the aleague average age was one of the oldest in the whole AFC.
That’s why it’s important clubs have clear strategies going forward given the costs will be tight.

I think some clubs are probably better placed to handling it such as the Mariners, Adelaide etc.

I just hope that same short term thinking doesn’t mean they cut costs on academies because the players you develop and sell overseas won’t be as strong if your farm is weak. 

Not sure if it still works

https://forum.insidesport.com.au/2363221/Unofficial-442-Muter-Thread

https://github.com/mcjules/442muter/releases/tag/0.5

tell me Guus, when you have a car thats struggling to be reliable do you keep pouring money into it ?
When your appliances keep letting you down do you keep using them ?
Mate we're all for the better of game, be it positive or negative no matter what side.
IF I look at it as you do - I block the fellow posters who are for the APL, mate we're all on the same pitch but I'll block you because someone has a opposing opinion or outlook to myself.
Thats kids stuff, I enjoy the discussions here from either side of the fence, its civil.

Thats a very Aleague thing to do, block the thousands of other clubs from participating :P

There's only one flog that actively mutes posters. If you want to be in that clown's company then go for it.

Or head over to reddit where it's all sunshine and lollipops. Those bedwetting fools go to town on your arse if you're even mildly critical of the A League or pro NST. Fuck them.

Welcome to the forum!

This is the best resource I've found to track AA: https://au.soccerway.com/players/players_abroad/australia/

There are currently ~195 Aussies abroad. There are 14 in top 5 leagues. 

Its always been this way, since 1955... arguably the biggest issue Football has in Australia is a lack of unity ..... many people seem to join a group, and their group is right and the others are wrong.... Most annoying is they are convinced they are right, have god on their side, and hold the high moral ground....

I follow the AL and hope it survives. I'm optimistic it will. I wouldn't be offended by posters that don't support it. To each their own.

I think it's important to recognise the AL wasn't good for all football fans in Australia. It really screwed the NSL and ethnic based clubs. Made them a scape goat. It was unfair to do it (to put it mildly) and theres no wonder theres some bad blood. If you recognise that it's easy to understand and not take it personally. 

I hope the NSD and ultimately pro-rel happens and mends some fences. Gets the best from all the clubs and their supporters in the interest of football in Australia. 

+99999

I've an idea

Let's have a Full Pyramid, where everyone gets to find their own level, and your level based on the results on the pitch

might fix that Unity problem you mention

Quicky its NEVER personal, at least not from me anyway... We are all football lovers first and foremost, that is clear to see. Im personally happy to have some individual franchises survive (except for WU ... fuck those dodgy realestate frauds)  and thrive but the Aleague as it stands ( closed off, pay to participate, lopsided draw, entertainment product)  needs to die....  Everyone claims to want UNITY but it can NEVER happen when one league operates like the Aleague and the other 50+ leagues in Australia dont.

The APL cannot survive if it doesn't operate on the principle of receiving a cash injection by selling a participation agreement to the next "expansion" and by not guarantying an exclusive economic territory to certain clubs in order for  them to monopolise the commercial and social opportunities whithin a particular region in order to maximise their return on their investment... That doesnt allow for promotion and relegation or even the existence of clubs that geographically "overlap"
APL owners voting for UNITY is like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders..