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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTheir was neither rhyme nor reason to the shifting goalposts at Soccer Australia Grazor... "policies" changed every year or so... Trying to make sense of that god awful past will drive you insane.... Sometimes there is no data to be gleamed from "data" mate.... Go ask a Bergers or Preston supporter WTF actually happened in 1994 and I bet most are still scratching their heads going wtf? That year alone, Newcastle pulled out weeks before the season because they where broke (*yes yes new dawners, some things never change) and to top it off the ASF decide it agreed with our US cousins that draws where terrible so penalties decided drawn games - Four points were awarded for a win, two for a win on penalties, one for a penalty loss and no points for a loss in regulation time ...... P and R didnt "work" in the NSL because nothing really "worked" in the NSL.... believe me they tried everything I think this is one of your astute posts mate, yer I just can't see how you can break down how what when or whatever for the goal posts changed pre season, during season, end of season - next meeting to next - it had no foundation to go back on but play football. Everything was done reactive even though the highs were brilliant and next not. Reactive is one way to summarise it. Thought bubbles by those in charge, marketing people, whatever were hastily brought in - everyone thought they had the fix. The axing of Brunswick and Heidelberg more or less paved the way for Carlton and Collingwood to enter - for those not old enough to remember that scenario I won't go into detail - but just think - allowing AFL clubs to have a presence in the NSL... Yeh... I still remember some of these initiatives being discussed by Johnny and Les on On The Ball. The penalty thing was lauded because they did it in Croatia (with apparently great success which is why they're still doing it - not). The Carlton/Collingwood thing - comparing them to European multis-sport super clubs like Real Madrid.. yes , they said something like that.Because Perth Glory was succeeding as a "non-ethnic" club Northern Spirit and Parramatta Power were ushered in - where are they now? Interesting point of discussion - I notice they are the ones always brought up with this - but you mentioned another team/club that would fall into the same boat, that isn't generally mentioned in the same breath of "Imaging letting clubs from other evil sports in our league": Parramatta Power. My understanding is that they are essentially Parramatta Eels. I know that nothing happened with Parra after the NSL folded (having lost the last NSL Grand Final and finishing 2nd on the table that season). " Were there any conceptions of them possibly "ruining our sport from within" (as is probably the thinking with Carlton/Collingwood in the NSL), or does it seem like there's more respect for Football from the Rugba Leeg community? Genuinely curious on those old enough to have lived those days. I was a wee-one back then, and my main memories of the NSL are the two Perth v Sydney Olympic finals (in light of my brother's mate being playing for Olympic around that time/just afterwards) - nothing off-field like this. franchises, franchises..... same old story, same old players....... https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/a-league-expansion-driven-by-money-lacks-soul/hzmz94hjv Good read, and everything spot on - but also proves the point that I mentioned in the first post: No disdain for Parramatta Eels in there (as compared with Carlton and Collingwood). ?? Got me there.... I dont know much about matters up north... I guess maybe, being rugby and football both played on similarly sized pitches, the turf war we experience down here isn't as pronounced? I would say that back then(late '90s) there def still was open-hostility towards football from Rugby League(and Union), even if not to the same extent as it had(and continues to) to put up with from the AFL in its respective strongholds. It's always been my pet-theory that Sydney/NSW hosting a lil' sports-carnival by the name of the Olympic Games in 2000 went a *very* long way towards obliterating that sort of parochial bloodymindedness that by contrast still very much characterises Melb/VIC and the other AFL strongholds to this day... That's a very good point/theory actually... In my experience, so this is as a born and raised in rural NSW (probably just north of the "Barassi" line), and then moving to Canberra in adulthood - it does always seem to be from the AFL land rather than Rugby League as well.
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Fair points BA81 but really the Olympics may have had some influence modern times modern days 2000 let’s not forget Melb had the 56 ? Olympics but being a Sydney fella NRL has its stronghold though not like it used to but I don’t recall its media singling out our game so much and on radio compared to Melb, nor cause lots of ill truths and fixture issues etcetc They wouldn’t want to give it the exposure I feel but for modern day stooges like Gould would make comment on crowd issues be it NPL or AL on radio or the talk shows on Fox nowadays. We more so went through as Johnny W titled book Sheila’s Wogs Poofters. That was fife at schools and on the streets. Sissy game.
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+xFair points BA81 but really the Olympics may have had some influence modern times modern days 2000 let’s not forget Melb had the 56 ? Olympics but being a Sydney fella NRL has its stronghold though not like it used to but I don’t recall its media singling out our game so much and on radio compared to Melb, nor cause lots of ill truths and fixture issues etcetc They wouldn’t want to give it the exposure I feel but for modern day stooges like Gould would make comment on crowd issues be it NPL or AL on radio or the talk shows on Fox nowadays. We more so went through as Johnny W titled book Sheila’s Wogs Poofters. That was fife at schools and on the streets. Sissy game. Thing is though, the world was a much bigger place in 1956 than in 2000 let alone now. The tyranny-of-distance definitely reigned supreme, for one - but also there's the small matter of the postwar-migrant boom still being very much a work-in-progress(to say nothing of it being actively resisted by 'mainstream Australia' in an overall sense, never mind specifically a footballing one) then.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xTheir was neither rhyme nor reason to the shifting goalposts at Soccer Australia Grazor... "policies" changed every year or so... Trying to make sense of that god awful past will drive you insane.... Sometimes there is no data to be gleamed from "data" mate.... Go ask a Bergers or Preston supporter WTF actually happened in 1994 and I bet most are still scratching their heads going wtf? That year alone, Newcastle pulled out weeks before the season because they where broke (*yes yes new dawners, some things never change) and to top it off the ASF decide it agreed with our US cousins that draws where terrible so penalties decided drawn games - Four points were awarded for a win, two for a win on penalties, one for a penalty loss and no points for a loss in regulation time ...... P and R didnt "work" in the NSL because nothing really "worked" in the NSL.... believe me they tried everything I think this is one of your astute posts mate, yer I just can't see how you can break down how what when or whatever for the goal posts changed pre season, during season, end of season - next meeting to next - it had no foundation to go back on but play football. Everything was done reactive even though the highs were brilliant and next not. Reactive is one way to summarise it. Thought bubbles by those in charge, marketing people, whatever were hastily brought in - everyone thought they had the fix. The axing of Brunswick and Heidelberg more or less paved the way for Carlton and Collingwood to enter - for those not old enough to remember that scenario I won't go into detail - but just think - allowing AFL clubs to have a presence in the NSL... Yeh... I still remember some of these initiatives being discussed by Johnny and Les on On The Ball. The penalty thing was lauded because they did it in Croatia (with apparently great success which is why they're still doing it - not). The Carlton/Collingwood thing - comparing them to European multis-sport super clubs like Real Madrid.. yes , they said something like that.Because Perth Glory was succeeding as a "non-ethnic" club Northern Spirit and Parramatta Power were ushered in - where are they now? Interesting point of discussion - I notice they are the ones always brought up with this - but you mentioned another team/club that would fall into the same boat, that isn't generally mentioned in the same breath of "Imaging letting clubs from other evil sports in our league": Parramatta Power. My understanding is that they are essentially Parramatta Eels. I know that nothing happened with Parra after the NSL folded (having lost the last NSL Grand Final and finishing 2nd on the table that season). " Were there any conceptions of them possibly "ruining our sport from within" (as is probably the thinking with Carlton/Collingwood in the NSL), or does it seem like there's more respect for Football from the Rugba Leeg community? Genuinely curious on those old enough to have lived those days. I was a wee-one back then, and my main memories of the NSL are the two Perth v Sydney Olympic finals (in light of my brother's mate being playing for Olympic around that time/just afterwards) - nothing off-field like this. franchises, franchises..... same old story, same old players....... https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/a-league-expansion-driven-by-money-lacks-soul/hzmz94hjv Good read, and everything spot on - but also proves the point that I mentioned in the first post: No disdain for Parramatta Eels in there (as compared with Carlton and Collingwood). ?? Got me there.... I dont know much about matters up north... I guess maybe, being rugby and football both played on similarly sized pitches, the turf war we experience down here isn't as pronounced? I would say that back then(late '90s) there def still was open-hostility towards football from Rugby League(and Union), even if not to the same extent as it had(and continues to) to put up with from the AFL in its respective strongholds. It's always been my pet-theory that Sydney/NSW hosting a lil' sports-carnival by the name of the Olympic Games in 2000 went a *very* long way towards obliterating that sort of parochial bloodymindedness that by contrast still very much characterises Melb/VIC and the other AFL strongholds to this day... In their minds maybe - after-all they foisted the founding date of the colony of NSW on us as "Australia Day". Nevermind we had an Olympics in Melbourne prior.
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+x+xMon How much do you know about Sabit Jame Ngor, plays for Heidelberg United. Rumour on our forum he is signing with us on Thursday.... Sign him up IMMEDIATELY.... very silky winger (quite young still I believe) was a stand out at the Bergers this year, go back and re-watch the Heidelberg v CCM Australia Cup game, he tore your fullbacks to shreds.... Rumour is he has already signed and club is waiting on the best time to announce it..... He is getting lots of thumps up on our forum, its seen as a very astute and clever signing with most expecting him to be in the first 11..... seems many people agree with your assessment... BTW he has been on trail for a while now...
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+x+x+xMon How much do you know about Sabit Jame Ngor, plays for Heidelberg United. Rumour on our forum he is signing with us on Thursday.... Sign him up IMMEDIATELY.... very silky winger (quite young still I believe) was a stand out at the Bergers this year, go back and re-watch the Heidelberg v CCM Australia Cup game, he tore your fullbacks to shreds.... Rumour is he has already signed and club is waiting on the best time to announce it..... He is getting lots of thumps up on our forum, its seen as a very astute and clever signing with most expecting him to be in the first 11..... seems many people agree with your assessment... BTW he has been on trail for a while now... Confirmed now. https://ccmariners.com.au/news/sabit-ngor-joins-central-coast-mariners-on-two-year-deal/
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+x+x+xMon How much do you know about Sabit Jame Ngor, plays for Heidelberg United. Rumour on our forum he is signing with us on Thursday.... Sign him up IMMEDIATELY.... very silky winger (quite young still I believe) was a stand out at the Bergers this year, go back and re-watch the Heidelberg v CCM Australia Cup game, he tore your fullbacks to shreds.... Rumour is he has already signed and club is waiting on the best time to announce it..... He is getting lots of thumps up on our forum, its seen as a very astute and clever signing with most expecting him to be in the first 11..... seems many people agree with your assessment... BTW he has been on trail for a while now... which club u support? some a league mods have gone to club forums i notice. I wonder if we can entice 1 or 2 back
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+x+x+x+xMon How much do you know about Sabit Jame Ngor, plays for Heidelberg United. Rumour on our forum he is signing with us on Thursday.... Sign him up IMMEDIATELY.... very silky winger (quite young still I believe) was a stand out at the Bergers this year, go back and re-watch the Heidelberg v CCM Australia Cup game, he tore your fullbacks to shreds.... Rumour is he has already signed and club is waiting on the best time to announce it..... He is getting lots of thumps up on our forum, its seen as a very astute and clever signing with most expecting him to be in the first 11..... seems many people agree with your assessment... BTW he has been on trail for a while now... Confirmed now. https://ccmariners.com.au/news/sabit-ngor-joins-central-coast-mariners-on-two-year-deal/ Nice mate, youll get alot of joy watching him this year....
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