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Begbie wrote:hotrod wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:Twitter rumour that Naven, Miller and Despotovski all being released from coaching contracts. ......and this surprises you????? :lol: It's the Edwards era fall-out. Why bother having ex-Glory names at the club building that connection to the past for fans? McGarry and Burns to join the coaching staff, that works for me. How'd you figure that out?
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But I'd love to hear why moving on NPL coaches who are Glory legends with a good track record as coaches for recently retired players with no track record, is a good thing and "works"?
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hotrod
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:But I'd love to hear why moving on NPL coaches who are Glory legends with a good track record as coaches for recently retired players with no track record, is a good thing and "works"? Sage can pay in poker chips, it's much cheaper.
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Begbie
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:But I'd love to hear why moving on NPL coaches who are Glory legends with a good track record as coaches for recently retired players with no track record, is a good thing and "works"? ??????????
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hotrod
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Begbie wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:But I'd love to hear why moving on NPL coaches who are Glory legends with a good track record as coaches for recently retired players with no track record, is a good thing and "works"? ?????????? Burns and McGarry it is then. Woo hooo.
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It surprises me not at all that Begbie managed to present us with reply # 6666 in this thread.
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Nate wrote:It surprises me not at all that Begbie managed to present us with reply # 6666 in this thread. :-({|=
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This thread has become so bitter, it's vile. Cheer up kids.
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Begbie wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:But I'd love to hear why moving on NPL coaches who are Glory legends with a good track record as coaches for recently retired players with no track record, is a good thing and "works"? ?????????? Answer the damn question. Why do you dodge all the time? And yes, Naven and Miller have a better coaching record than Burns and McGarry. It's not, since they've had no experience. Eastern Glory wrote:This thread has become so bitter, it's vile. Cheer up kids. Oh look, a Sky Blues supporter...
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Begbie
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:Begbie wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:But I'd love to hear why moving on NPL coaches who are Glory legends with a good track record as coaches for recently retired players with no track record, is a good thing and "works"? ?????????? Answer the damn question. Why do you dodge all the time? And yes, Naven and Miller have a better coaching record than Burns and McGarry. It's not, since they've had no experience. Eastern Glory wrote:This thread has become so bitter, it's vile. Cheer up kids. Oh look, a Sky Blues supporter... You say they have 'a good track record' I'm not sure what you base that on and would love to know. As for Mcgarry and Burns? we don't know if they will be better as they have yet to start.
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Is Griffiths contracted with Perth for the coming season?
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A16Man wrote:Is Griffiths contracted with Perth for the coming season? Yes
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Begbie wrote:You say they have 'a good track record' I'm not sure what you base that on and would love to know.
As for Mcgarry and Burns? we don't know if they will be better as they have yet to start. Are you legitimately trying to say that Naven has done nothing over his entire career as a coach? That Miller hasn't got an NPL youth team mid-table against men? You're such a hypocrite. You somehow have this hard-on about results, but the two coaches you support had terrible records, including the interim coach that is now gotten the full time gig. Doesn't make sense. You also love going on about giving a coach more "time" but you're happy that two inexperienced PLAYERS, one of whom hasn't even officially retired yet, is given a role as a coach, over Glory legends who have been in these position just THREE months, who of who have some coaching record, with NOTHING against them being bad coaches, or incompetent at their roles. You're a hypocrite. You're blinded. It's not even Perth Glory fanaticism, it's Sage and Burns love. You're clearly not an impartial supporter.
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:Begbie wrote:You say they have 'a good track record' I'm not sure what you base that on and would love to know.
As for Mcgarry and Burns? we don't know if they will be better as they have yet to start. Are you legitimately trying to say that Naven has done nothing over his entire career as a coach? That Miller hasn't got an NPL youth team mid-table against men? You're such a hypocrite. You somehow have this hard-on about results, but the two coaches you support had terrible records, including the interim coach that is now gotten the full time gig. Doesn't make sense. You also love going on about giving a coach more "time" but you're happy that two inexperienced PLAYERS, one of whom hasn't even officially retired yet, is given a role as a coach, over Glory legends who have been in these position just THREE months, who of who have some coaching record, with NOTHING against them being bad coaches, or incompetent at their roles. You're a hypocrite. You're blinded. It's not even Perth Glory fanaticism, it's Sage and Burns love. You're clearly not an impartial supporter. Mr. Grumpy Eh? I am not saying he has done nothing I am questioning your assertion of 'a good track record'. I cannot see his 'good track record' and I am asking you to provide this forum with details of his good track record. question:- do you believe head coaches should be free to pick and choose who they have working for them?
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hotrod
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I'd rather have coaches that have, you know, coached. It's called experience. McGurns have not coached. The only thing they are experienced in is poker. They should stick with that or get some experience at a NPL club as an assistant.
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Begbie wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Begbie wrote:You say they have 'a good track record' I'm not sure what you base that on and would love to know.
As for Mcgarry and Burns? we don't know if they will be better as they have yet to start. Are you legitimately trying to say that Naven has done nothing over his entire career as a coach? That Miller hasn't got an NPL youth team mid-table against men? You're such a hypocrite. You somehow have this hard-on about results, but the two coaches you support had terrible records, including the interim coach that is now gotten the full time gig. Doesn't make sense. You also love going on about giving a coach more "time" but you're happy that two inexperienced PLAYERS, one of whom hasn't even officially retired yet, is given a role as a coach, over Glory legends who have been in these position just THREE months, who of who have some coaching record, with NOTHING against them being bad coaches, or incompetent at their roles. You're a hypocrite. You're blinded. It's not even Perth Glory fanaticism, it's Sage and Burns love. You're clearly not an impartial supporter. Mr. Grumpy Eh? I am not saying he has done nothing I am questioning your assertion of 'a good track record'. I cannot see his 'good track record' and I am asking you to provide this forum with details of his good track record. question:- do you believe head coaches should be free to pick and choose who they have working for them? Yes. But I don't believe McGurns were freely picked. I'd say it was a compensation package to stop playing. This is why Arnold is now at Sydney and we are in the shit.
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armchairexpert wrote:Begbie wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Begbie wrote:You say they have 'a good track record' I'm not sure what you base that on and would love to know.
As for Mcgarry and Burns? we don't know if they will be better as they have yet to start. Are you legitimately trying to say that Naven has done nothing over his entire career as a coach? That Miller hasn't got an NPL youth team mid-table against men? You're such a hypocrite. You somehow have this hard-on about results, but the two coaches you support had terrible records, including the interim coach that is now gotten the full time gig. Doesn't make sense. You also love going on about giving a coach more "time" but you're happy that two inexperienced PLAYERS, one of whom hasn't even officially retired yet, is given a role as a coach, over Glory legends who have been in these position just THREE months, who of who have some coaching record, with NOTHING against them being bad coaches, or incompetent at their roles. You're a hypocrite. You're blinded. It's not even Perth Glory fanaticism, it's Sage and Burns love. You're clearly not an impartial supporter. Mr. Grumpy Eh? I am not saying he has done nothing I am questioning your assertion of 'a good track record'. I cannot see his 'good track record' and I am asking you to provide this forum with details of his good track record. question:- do you believe head coaches should be free to pick and choose who they have working for them? Yes. But I don't believe McGurns were freely picked. I'd say it was a compensation package to stop playing. This is why Arnold is now at Sydney and we are in the shit. Why would you have to offer a "compensation package" to players who were out of contract?
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Begbie wrote:question:- do you believe head coaches should be free to pick and choose who they have working for them? Yes. That includes playing staff and in what capacity. See: Alistair Edwards. Losing Naven, particularly, is a bigger blow to the club than their current protracted PR mess. If Lowe is half a manager he'd want him on his team, and I don't believe he is stupid so I believe he would have wanted him, which implies either Naven was driven to leaving by his dissatisfaction with the club administration or turfed by said administration to free up jobs for mates.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:armchairexpert wrote:Begbie wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:Begbie wrote:You say they have 'a good track record' I'm not sure what you base that on and would love to know.
As for Mcgarry and Burns? we don't know if they will be better as they have yet to start. Are you legitimately trying to say that Naven has done nothing over his entire career as a coach? That Miller hasn't got an NPL youth team mid-table against men? You're such a hypocrite. You somehow have this hard-on about results, but the two coaches you support had terrible records, including the interim coach that is now gotten the full time gig. Doesn't make sense. You also love going on about giving a coach more "time" but you're happy that two inexperienced PLAYERS, one of whom hasn't even officially retired yet, is given a role as a coach, over Glory legends who have been in these position just THREE months, who of who have some coaching record, with NOTHING against them being bad coaches, or incompetent at their roles. You're a hypocrite. You're blinded. It's not even Perth Glory fanaticism, it's Sage and Burns love. You're clearly not an impartial supporter. Mr. Grumpy Eh? I am not saying he has done nothing I am questioning your assertion of 'a good track record'. I cannot see his 'good track record' and I am asking you to provide this forum with details of his good track record. question:- do you believe head coaches should be free to pick and choose who they have working for them? Yes. But I don't believe McGurns were freely picked. I'd say it was a compensation package to stop playing. This is why Arnold is now at Sydney and we are in the shit. Why would you have to offer a "compensation package" to players who were out of contract? Mmm fair enough. Let's go with complete incompetence then.
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So are all these coaching departures and appointments all official now, or still just official rumours? Maybe Glory will delay an announcement (now known as doing a 'Hersi) for another couple of months.
I've not seen or heard it officially yet (given I don't know about Facebook and Twitter), and don't think I've seen the definitive advice yet - the Member's email - on the subject.
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Shanagar wrote:So are all these coaching departures and appointments all official now, or still just official rumours? Maybe Glory will delay an announcement (now known as doing a 'Hersi) for another couple of months.
I've not seen or heard it officially yet (given I don't know about Facebook and Twitter), and don't think I've seen the definitive advice yet - the Member's email - on the subject. Well, if the members haven't been told, then it's not happening. #-o
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The head coach of the A-League team should have absolutely no say or influence over a Technical Director that oversees an NPL setup or coaches that coach those teams (from NPL to u11s).
Saying that these coaches are leaving because Lowe, the senior coach of the A-League team wants Burns and McGarry in the NPL setup is the biggest longbow you can draw out of this.
If anything it's a Sage and Brewer decision.
If people have to explain why Naven, Miller, Despotovski are better coaches than those with no experience than you're not qualified to attempt to debate the issue because you've clearly not paid attention to anything those people have done. Unless you actually have contrary evidence to the fact, that they are in fact useless coaches that have somehow hoodwink everyone for years except for one valiant lone ranger with an iphone.
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Scoll wrote:Begbie wrote:question:- do you believe head coaches should be free to pick and choose who they have working for them? Yes. That includes playing staff and in what capacity. See: Alistair Edwards. Losing Naven, particularly, is a bigger blow to the club than their current protracted PR mess. If Lowe is half a manager he'd want him on his team, and I don't believe he is stupid so I believe he would have wanted him, which implies either Naven was driven to leaving by his dissatisfaction with the club administration or turfed by said administration to free up jobs for mates. The thing is, promoting one 'junior coach' to develop for the future is well fair enough - One of McGarry or even Burns 'may' have 'good potential qualities' and even early promise/qualifications as young coaching prospects? But when senior A-League coaching staffs seem to comprise only 3 first team coaches maximum, including the Head Coach, aswell as the Goalkeeping coach - then it makes quite the difference to be adding both of them and also means two would have to have be leaving? Last I checked (While ago), Lowe already, naturally, has his own assistant coach, Andrew Ord - with Naven and Miller part of the NYL/NPL set up? Goalkeeping coach appears vacant, not only according to wiki but talk we heard a while ago with Neil Young leaving. I just wonder why McGarry and/or Burns can't be added alongside Naven and Miller? But clearly not the room for that? Seems, reading between the lines, it's the NYL coaching team being overhauled - as promoting 'junior coaches' often naturally leads them to being involved in the NYL team (A form of A-League coach Apprenticeship) first? I.e. John Aloisi at Heart, Mike Mulvey at GCU etc..? Shanagar wrote:So are all these coaching departures and appointments all official now, or still just official rumours? Maybe Glory will delay an announcement (now known as doing a 'Hersi) for another couple of months.
I've not seen or heard it officially yet (given I don't know about Facebook and Twitter), and don't think I've seen the definitive advice yet - the Member's email - on the subject. lol Indeed. No Member's mail yet, I don't think? I get too much spam from subscriptions etc... including the TWO Glory members mails ('Glory Fanatical' too) - so it can get tiring sorting what's worth looking at and not. Usually it's the latter, but often with Glory and it's turmoil, there was a period that near every 'announcement' was riveting, albeit belated, stuff - this player leaving, arriving etc... A model of instability. What's next in the soap operatic saga that is Perth Glory? Edited by GloryPerth: 21/5/2014 09:49:31 PM
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Naven and Miller are much bigger losses than Bobby
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biscuitman1871 wrote:Naven and Miller are much bigger losses than Bobby Agreed, not understanding this talk. What's behind such an overhaul - 'rejuvenation' needed with the NYL coaching staff too?! Naven and Miller are technically considered young coaches though and both Naven and Miller have been coaching the NYL team since the NYL's inception 2008/09 or so, as too Naven's experience with the senior team, under Edwards. Why isn't former Glory Captain and long-time NYL coach Naven being 'groomed' for the senior role? But I guess it's not soo simple in real-life with politics etc..? I wonder where W-League coach, Jamie Harnwell (Who applied for the senior position), sits in all this?
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Vukovic has ended his loan in Japan, heading back to Perth.
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:The head coach of the A-League team should have absolutely no say or influence over a Technical Director that oversees an NPL setup or coaches that coach those teams (from NPL to u11s).
Saying that these coaches are leaving because Lowe, the senior coach of the A-League team wants Burns and McGarry in the NPL setup is the biggest longbow you can draw out of this.
If anything it's a Sage and Brewer decision.
If people have to explain why Naven, Miller, Despotovski are better coaches than those with no experience than you're not qualified to attempt to debate the issue because you've clearly not paid attention to anything those people have done. Unless you actually have contrary evidence to the fact, that they are in fact useless coaches that have somehow hoodwink everyone for years except for one valiant lone ranger with an iphone. FFS Glory doesn't have a technical Director, did you not know that?
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Begbie wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:The head coach of the A-League team should have absolutely no say or influence over a Technical Director that oversees an NPL setup or coaches that coach those teams (from NPL to u11s).
Saying that these coaches are leaving because Lowe, the senior coach of the A-League team wants Burns and McGarry in the NPL setup is the biggest longbow you can draw out of this.
If anything it's a Sage and Brewer decision.
If people have to explain why Naven, Miller, Despotovski are better coaches than those with no experience than you're not qualified to attempt to debate the issue because you've clearly not paid attention to anything those people have done. Unless you actually have contrary evidence to the fact, that they are in fact useless coaches that have somehow hoodwink everyone for years except for one valiant lone ranger with an iphone. FFS Glory doesn't have a technical Director, did you not know that? Go back to getting on your knees for Brewer. You haven't got a fucking clue. http://m.footballaustralia.com.au/perth-glory-news-display/article/NPL-COACHES-ANNOUNCED/87483/1Quote:Coaching Structure NPL 2014 [size=9]Technical director:[/size] Gareth Naven (Perth Glory 1996 – 2002) First team coach: Scott Miller (Perth Glory 1996 – 2006) U20 coach: Bobby Despotovski (Perth Glory 1996 – 2007) U18 coach: Dave Butterfield U16 coach: Branko Jelic ( Perth Glory 2009 – 2011) U15 coach: Callum Salmon U14 coach: John Walmsley U13 coach: Brad Hassell (Interim) ( Perth Glory 2001-2004) U12 coach: Ross Laing Sports trainer: Chris Quinnell (Current Hyundai A-League Sports Trainer) In a font so even special people like you can read it...
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Pr1mo wrote:Vukovic has ended his loan in Japan, heading back to Perth. Genuinely astounded.
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AndyToddsElbow wrote:Begbie wrote:AndyToddsElbow wrote:The head coach of the A-League team should have absolutely no say or influence over a Technical Director that oversees an NPL setup or coaches that coach those teams (from NPL to u11s).
Saying that these coaches are leaving because Lowe, the senior coach of the A-League team wants Burns and McGarry in the NPL setup is the biggest longbow you can draw out of this.
If anything it's a Sage and Brewer decision.
If people have to explain why Naven, Miller, Despotovski are better coaches than those with no experience than you're not qualified to attempt to debate the issue because you've clearly not paid attention to anything those people have done. Unless you actually have contrary evidence to the fact, that they are in fact useless coaches that have somehow hoodwink everyone for years except for one valiant lone ranger with an iphone. FFS Glory doesn't have a technical Director, did you not know that? Go back to getting on your knees for Brewer. You haven't got a fucking clue. http://m.footballaustralia.com.au/perth-glory-news-display/article/NPL-COACHES-ANNOUNCED/87483/1Quote:Coaching Structure NPL 2014 [size=9]Technical director:[/size] Gareth Naven (Perth Glory 1996 – 2002) First team coach: Scott Miller (Perth Glory 1996 – 2006) U20 coach: Bobby Despotovski (Perth Glory 1996 – 2007) U18 coach: Dave Butterfield U16 coach: Branko Jelic ( Perth Glory 2009 – 2011) U15 coach: Callum Salmon U14 coach: John Walmsley U13 coach: Brad Hassell (Interim) ( Perth Glory 2001-2004) U12 coach: Ross Laing Sports trainer: Chris Quinnell (Current Hyundai A-League Sports Trainer) In a font so even special people like you can read it... Jesus fuckin christ you honestly belive Navin is 'Perth Glory's Technical Director' that is fuckin laughable. Glory have to name one as an NPL requirement that's all. I hope you also notice that of the coaches below U20 have absolutely feck all to do with Glory. Edited by Begbie: 23/5/2014 12:32:58 AM
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