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vanlassen - 9 Oct 2017 1:56 PM
JoyfulPenguin - 9 Oct 2017 1:48 PM

Minorities should have more rights than the majority?

That doesn't mean they do, if a minority was preaching hate and bigotry towards a racial group whether that group by minority or majority the same penalties would apply. 
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JoyfulPenguin - 9 Oct 2017 2:26 PM
vanlassen - 9 Oct 2017 1:56 PM

That doesn't mean they do, if a minority was preaching hate and bigotry towards a racial group whether that group by minority or majority the same penalties would apply. 

So it's up to the government to protect us from mean words?

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BETHFC - 9 Oct 2017 2:25 PM
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Daniel Andrews. Seeing his FB posts about rental laws.

1) You now cannot refuse pets unless there are 'certain circumstances'...... Children probably do more damage than pets but my mrs. friends dog scratched the fuck out of all of the glass doors in the house. No way the bond would cover that. I do not understand the need for strict laws here.
2) You have to disclose any plans to sell. Why? You own a property and circumstances can unfortunately change very quickly. What if you sign a contract to lease a house to someone and 4 days later lose your job and have to sell? What are the legal repercussions?
3) He talks about reducing bonds. How can people cover damage if the bond doesn't cover it?  
4) Apparently you need to give a reason for a 'notice to vacate' because 'not specified' humiliates renters. What if the reason for moving back into your investment property is humiliating?

Talk about removing rights from owners. I get that many landlords are dodgy and will claim to be moving back in only to rent it out at a higher price but passing these laws could be extremely detrimental to the rental market.

1. So renters should not be allowed pets because they can't afford to own a house? Renters are still liable for damage by their pets do but simply banning pets creates second class citizens. Because I'm not rich enough to own a house I shouldn't be allowed to have an animal companion?
2.Because if you just move in and two minutes later you get kicked out because an owner is selling that's hardly fair, especially if you signed a lease for longer.
3. Landlords rarely fix things if they break, even things specially advertised in the lease and basic things like heating and air conditioning. Why do renters have to bear so much liability when Landlords have barely any.
4. Because you need to have an actual reason to kick people out of their home, somewhere they have paid for and would continue you to pay. It's not embarrassing to move into a house you own.


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JoyfulPenguin - 9 Oct 2017 2:26 PM
vanlassen - 9 Oct 2017 1:56 PM

That doesn't mean they do, if a minority was preaching hate and bigotry towards a racial group whether that group by minority or majority the same penalties would apply. 

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown needs to watch what she says then.... oh wait its only racist if you're white.....

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BETHFC - 9 Oct 2017 2:39 PM
JoyfulPenguin - 9 Oct 2017 2:26 PM

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown needs to watch what she says then.... oh wait its only racist if you're white.....

Should we just exchange the words 'reverse racism' for 'acceptable racism'?

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JoyfulPenguin - 9 Oct 2017 2:38 PM
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1. So renters should not be allowed pets because they can't afford to own a house? Renters are still liable for damage by their pets do but simply banning pets creates second class citizens. Because I'm not rich enough to own a house I shouldn't be allowed to have an animal companion?
2.Because if you just move in and two minutes later you get kicked out because an owner is selling that's hardly fair, especially if you signed a lease for longer.
3. Landlords rarely fix things if they break, even things specially advertised in the lease and basic things like heating and air conditioning. Why do renters have to bear so much liability when Landlords have barely any.
4. Because you need to have an actual reason to kick people out of their home, somewhere they have paid for and would continue you to pay. It's not embarrassing to move into a house you own.


1. Absolutely they shouldn't. If the home owner doesn't want it then no. My parents rented their house and allowed pets at first... when they tenants moved we had to replace carpet and underlay as it was stained, not alot but worse was the smell, we also had to sand alot of the door and window frames as the dog chewed them, bond covers nothing, especially now that renters don't even have to steam clean carpets after moving and you cant take the bond to do it either. Ontop of that good luck chasing extra charges after they move, impossible.

2. Most rental owners would much rather keep their rental income than sell a property and sure sometimes it happens and its unavoidable... deal with it, we got 6 months before one of our rentals was sold, we were told by the new owners we could continue the lease, 2 weeks later we had a notice to move. Shit happens moving sucks but deal with it. 

3. We had the full range of owners, some that would pay for things as simple as a light globe, some that would only fix major things and our last one where we had to pay for everything, however every one that we had a legitimate contract with was great. However as a renter you need to know what you're moving into, you can't complain that you don't have air con if it wasnt there in the first place. 

4. Its not embarressing to move into your own home... but your saying the renter has more right to live in that house than the owner, thats bs. If the owner has an issue they should definitely be able to boot the renter out so they can live in their own house. 

Renters have too many rights, the whole thing needs to be reformed the other way. 



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JoyfulPenguin - 9 Oct 2017 2:38 PM
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1. So renters should not be allowed pets because they can't afford to own a house? Renters are still liable for damage by their pets do but simply banning pets creates second class citizens. Because I'm not rich enough to own a house I shouldn't be allowed to have an animal companion?
2.Because if you just move in and two minutes later you get kicked out because an owner is selling that's hardly fair, especially if you signed a lease for longer.
3. Landlords rarely fix things if they break, even things specially advertised in the lease and basic things like heating and air conditioning. Why do renters have to bear so much liability when Landlords have barely any.
4. Because you need to have an actual reason to kick people out of their home, somewhere they have paid for and would continue you to pay. It's not embarrassing to move into a house you own.


1.  You're not a second class citizen for not being allowed to have a pet, many places are pet friendly. However you're not entitled to have a pet. If you're a renter its not your house at the end of the day. However, many bad tenants with bad pets have ruined it for everyone. Forcing people to accept pets is just ridiculous, it's their house at the end of the day. It's next level entitlement.

2. 2 minutes? I haven't heard of many settlements taking less than 30 days plus all the other requirements. Like I said, what happens if the owner has a significant life change i.e. a loss of a job/business or a divorce? These changes could enforce financial and mental hardship on these people who are forced to hold onto a rental. The other thing I see this doing is ending long-term leases. There needs to be a happy medium when it comes to security for both parties.  

3. Landlords rarely fix things? Haha please don't paint with such a broad brush..... I literally do not know anyone who isn't a problem tenant having these issues. The mrs. mum was a problem tenant and broke shit often and even she never had issues getting people out to get stuff fixed. My mum also works for Hillsea and has to organise repairs on behalf of agents. Renters bear reliability

4. Nonsense. What if you've lost something like a business? Having to disclose that to people that really have no right to know that is wrong.

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BETHFC - 9 Oct 2017 4:07 PM
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1.  You're not a second class citizen for not being allowed to have a pet, many places are pet friendly. However you're not entitled to have a pet. If you're a renter its not your house at the end of the day. However, many bad tenants with bad pets have ruined it for everyone. Forcing people to accept pets is just ridiculous, it's their house at the end of the day. It's next level entitlement.

2. 2 minutes? I haven't heard of many settlements taking less than 30 days plus all the other requirements. Like I said, what happens if the owner has a significant life change i.e. a loss of a job/business or a divorce? These changes could enforce financial and mental hardship on these people who are forced to hold onto a rental. The other thing I see this doing is ending long-term leases. There needs to be a happy medium when it comes to security for both parties.  

3. Landlords rarely fix things? Haha please don't paint with such a broad brush..... I literally do not know anyone who isn't a problem tenant having these issues. The mrs. mum was a problem tenant and broke shit often and even she never had issues getting people out to get stuff fixed. My mum also works for Hillsea and has to organise repairs on behalf of agents. Renters bear reliability

4. Nonsense. What if you've lost something like a business? Having to disclose that to people that really have no right to know that is wrong.

1. This is something I have had issues with being a dog owner and a renter. I have no problems with a landlord refusing to rent their property to me because I have two dogs. It's their right to rent their property to the best rental candidate according to whatever criteria that they set. But if the landlord doesn't ask if I have a dog, I am not going to disclose that information and the landlord has no right to remove me from the premises because they were too lazy to conduct their own due diligence. What would be next? The landlord will not be allowing me to wear shoes inside? No kids? I'm not allowed to have friends over? No alcohol? No parties? Dream on guys.

2. I agree that the landlord shouldn't have to disclose plans to sell unless they want the prospective buyers to inspect the property. Obviously, if the landlord needs to break the lease, the tenants should be compensated just like the landlord would be compensated in the event the renters had to break the lease.

3. No opinion on reducing bonds. I have stayed in places that require 4 weeks and others that require 2 weeks rent as bond. I always thought it was up to the landlord.

4. This is just common sense. If you need to remove someone from their home, the CTTT would require an explanation in any case.

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vanlassen - 9 Oct 2017 4:40 PM
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1. This is something I have had issues with being a dog owner and a renter. I have no problems with a landlord refusing to rent their property to me because I have two dogs. It's their right to rent their property to the best rental candidate according to whatever criteria that they set. But if the landlord doesn't ask if I have a dog, I am not going to disclose that information and the landlord has no right to remove me from the premises because they were too lazy to conduct their own due diligence. What would be next? The landlord will not be allowing me to wear shoes inside? No kids? I'm not allowed to have friends over? No alcohol? No parties? Dream on guys.

2. I agree that the landlord shouldn't have to disclose plans to sell unless they want the prospective buyers to inspect the property. Obviously, if the landlord needs to break the lease, the tenants should be compensated just like the landlord would be compensated in the event the renters had to break the lease.

3. No opinion on reducing bonds. I have stayed in places that require 4 weeks and others that require 2 weeks rent as bond. I always thought it was up to the landlord.

4. This is just common sense. If you need to remove someone from their home, the CTTT would require an explanation in any case.

1. If they do not ask I agree you have no reason to specify. That's a big fail on the agents part. There is no what's next. I simply take an issue with people who own a property being forced to accept things like pets which have caused many issues in rentals. The whole 'second class citizen' argument is just ridiculous.

2. Agreed. The tenants would spend money moving and taking days off work. They need to be compensated for having their contract broken.

3. My last place before I bought was 2, one before was 4. Bringing them down is a risk on the home owner. If the bond is say $500 and they cause $1000 damage, it would be more hassle than what it's worth chasing for that extra $500 leaving the homeowner out of pocket

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Lax rental laws are yet another way that our housing system privileges property investors over tenants and first home buyers.

It's all about protecting the value of the investment property, instead of the rights of the people living there.

Given that more people are renting, and the rate of property ownership is below 50pc due to high housing prices, whole generations will be renting for life.

The government won't impose rent controls or long term leases like Europe. Yet even minimal changes like this get resisted? Pretty sad
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vanlassen - 9 Oct 2017 11:59 AM
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I'll explain it to you to save you from being stunned again. The Libs want to change 18C so people cannot be legally prosecuted for airing an opinion, regardless of how wrong and bigoted the opinion may be. It doesn't mean that they believe people should be free from criticism. The left fail to understand this concept because they are yet to form their own opinions.

> I believe everyone should have the unalienable right to say whatever they want
> Wah wah a private entity is saying something I disagree with it shouldn't be allowed to 

what a joke
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Renters have all the rights? I want to move to wherever you guys live.

I'm not sure I have ever heard anyone express this opinion unless possibly you have never rented before or had a really lucky private arrangement. Perhaps only someone who has had a particularly bad tenant trash their house could be excused for holding that position. I don't know anyone who has caused more damage to a property than the bond money. Though if you guys have bond of <$1,000 maybe things ARE different in Qld. I know plenty of people who have had to fight over getting bond money back because outside windows sills had some dirt on them (after a storm).

My last rental, we had what an electrician (after several of our appliances died) describe as an absolute death trap of a wiring system in our house. We reported it, 3 weeks later a guy gave a similar second opinion. Eventually the owner got a THIRD opinion (who was clearly a mate in an unmarked van) say he could fix the issue by just removing the ability to switch the switches to the off position and fix the outlets to be always on. That was that. Sorted.

We would get out of the shower on a Sunday morning with our back door glass windows open only to see the owner standing 3 feet away outside picking curry leaves. Unannounced, my wife barely in a towel. The agent's excuse was "he is just a bit old school and doesn't get it so try not to let it worry you".

I could list endless examples but how about for starters, expecting you to maintain gardens while not contributing to water costs?

Fair would be you pay rent to have a home for a set amount of time not pay to be someone's caretaker.

Still, when I lived in the UK they expected the tenants to pay council rates so i guess we do have it easy.

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Lax rental laws are yet another way that our housing system privileges property investors over tenants and first home buyers. It's all about protecting the value of the investment property, instead of the rights of the people living there. Given that more people are renting, and the rate of property ownership is below 50pc due to high housing prices, whole generations will be renting for life. The government won't impose rent controls or long term leases like Europe. Yet even minimal changes like this get resisted? Pretty sad

Exactly.
I should have read this post first and not bothered with my rant
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The gentleman that stole my blow up doll.

I had been experimenting some new positions with her on the front lawn, filled her up completely, went back inside to get my cleaning equipment, came back outside and she was gone.

Hopefully he gives her a nice long kiss before cleaning her.

Farewell Mary-Beth. You and your stretched holes will be missed.

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Lastbroadcast - 9 Oct 2017 8:26 PM
Lax rental laws are yet another way that our housing system privileges property investors over tenants and first home buyers. It's all about protecting the value of the investment property, instead of the rights of the people living there. Given that more people are renting, and the rate of property ownership is below 50pc due to high housing prices, whole generations will be renting for life. The government won't impose rent controls or long term leases like Europe. Yet even minimal changes like this get resisted? Pretty sad

Rental landlords don't rent to better your life though, they're doing exactly what you suggest in that they are trying to maintain property value otherwise what is the point in owning a rental? They need to make money on their investment or what's the point.

Number of renters is irrelevant to any of the things mentioned.

Don't get me wrong, i'll work 16 hour days if I have to to keep my mortgage going. Renting is unpleasant but someone is agreeing to lease you something like a house which is a considerable risk, adequate controls need to be put in place.

I strongly disagree with forcing landlords to accept things like pets and lower bonds.

If you push these laws too far and discourage investment, then you really will have a rental crisis.

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salmonfc - 15 Oct 2017 10:02 PM
WGMG: Went to a party on Friday night and I'm starting to feel the effects now. Feel unwell but not sick enough to tac vom.

Yay sammy

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Yay sammy

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I don't personally like Macklemore's music but they've gotten attention from it haven't they? If you supported this particular political opinion you would be all for it, in the end the NRL is a business and they will attract more business if they do something cultural relevant that they can promote and be noticed for. If you're so against the NRL having Macklemore just don't watch the Grand Final or support the NRL, simple as that. 

He could've come out with 'Vote NO' banners. He could've preached about why everybody should return their forms unmarked. It wouldn't matter his stance (or any other performers stance) on a range of issues, sport should remain at arms' length from this sort of thing except in cases where it's directly affecting the game. I noticed that in the first ad-break after Ben's performance, a 'No' ad ran, which of course caused an uproar on social media from the usual suspects. Like I said, I'd rather have enjoyed an evening of footy without any of this- but it's either all ok or none of it's ok.

I care about the principle, whether somebody is on my 'side' or not is irrelevant...




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Captain Haddock - 18 Oct 2017 11:11 AM

sport should remain at arms' length from this sort of thing except in cases where it's directly affecting the game e.g racist jeering of players that is legitimately based upon race and not just people daring to disagree with the gamesmanship of a player who isn't white. 

Equal rights for homosexuals could and does affect sport. First eg that comes to mind is the sport we are all on this forum for, one of the most famous Australian books about the sport is called "Sheilas, Wogs & Poofters". If you don't believe equal rights for homosexuals affects sport, I find your views ignorant or at the very least, highly oblivious. 
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pv4 - 18 Oct 2017 11:28 AM
Captain Haddock - 18 Oct 2017 11:11 AM

Equal rights for homosexuals could and does affect sport. First eg that comes to mind is the sport we are all on this forum for, one of the most famous Australian books about the sport is called "Sheilas, Wogs & Poofters". If you don't believe equal rights for homosexuals affects sport, I find your views ignorant or at the very least, highly oblivious. 

SSM isn't going to affect whether or not gay people play our code or whether a certain type of fan uses gay slurs against players...

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Captain Haddock - 18 Oct 2017 11:38 AM
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SSM isn't going to affect whether or not gay people play our code or whether a certain type of fan uses gay slurs against players...

I strongly disagree.

I just directly asked a pal whom is gay if SSM was legal, would that help him feel more accepted into society, feel like he is more accepted into traditionally male events such as sport, and feel like the stigma around homosexuality would be decreased and just in general feel more confident about himself & his sexuality as well as feeling less "bad" for being homosexual particularly in a public setting and with things such as team sport and he replied "absolutely". 

So SSM affects at least one gay person not playing sport. So thus I conclude, again, that your views on this are ignorant.

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A 55-year-old who spent a big part of the eighties looking for gay men to bash at local parks says he was almost considering lending his vote to marriage equality, until ‘these people’ tried to make him feel a certain way.


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433 - 20 Oct 2017 6:34 PM
A 55-year-old who spent a big part of the eighties looking for gay men to bash at local parks says he was almost considering lending his vote to marriage equality, until ‘these people’ tried to make him feel a certain way.


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http://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/man-used-bash-poofters-fun-says-leftie-bullies-turned-off-voting-yes/

Like the best satire a fair bit of truth in there unfortunately.




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Munrubenmuz - 21 Oct 2017 12:35 PM
433 - 20 Oct 2017 6:34 PM

Like the best satire a fair bit of truth in there unfortunately.


The Betoota is gold. I don't know how they can consistently nail their targets so well.

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BETHFC - 23 Oct 2017 10:36 AM
Munrubenmuz - 21 Oct 2017 12:35 PM

The Betoota is gold. I don't know how they can consistently nail their targets so well.

What's really sad is the amount of people who think its real.

That's the sad state of social media affairs and people taking everything they read as gospel.

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paulbagzFC - 23 Oct 2017 2:56 PM
BETHFC - 23 Oct 2017 10:36 AM

What's really sad is the amount of people who think its real.

That's the sad state of social media affairs and people taking everything they read as gospel.

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It makes it even better, particularly when you have the 20-something social justice warriors getting fired up about some perceived injustice aimed at young people.

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