Inspired by Funky's Plane thread.

Whats everyone's favourite conspiracies etc. Post them.

I'm completely behind the fact that Sept 11 was one. I'm looking at the Pentagon pics now.



How the hell did a plane only cause that?, With no fuel around, No fuselage etc.

No sarcasm involved here.

9/11 was a conspiracy. The enire damaged area of the Pentagon is smaller then the plane that hit it, and before the outer wall collapsed, only one hole could be seen and it was only 16ft wide.

Also the blowouts on the sides of the Twin Towers as they fell is a clear indication of controlled demolition.

Yeah, as I said I am 100% convinced it was work of the Government.

I still remember watching it too. But then i was enthralled with it

Have you watched Loose Change? That convinced me.

The Flight 93 footage is weird, there are no bodies, blood or significant debris.

Edited by marconi101: 1/6/2009 10:26:07 PM

Nah, I havent. Is it a movie or something?

An independent documentary series. They have made several versions, look for them on Youtube.

Edited by marconi101: 1/6/2009 10:36:24 PM

That money thing with 9/11 helped convince me too. And the numbers of the plane in the font of windings.

:roll:
I am not convinced. Convince me. With no bullshit for once, please.

:-s

Whats the wingdings thing?

1. Open up a blank Word document.

2. Type in Q33 NY in capitals (this is the flight number of the 1st plane to hit the WTC)

3. Highlight it.

4. Change the font size to 48.

5. Change the actual font to wingdings (1).

Lol Some guy has a lot of time:

I've read all that before, its nuts

Yeh same. Just thought i'd use it to 'convince' imno lol.
I don't really know whether or not i think it was a conspiracy. I think well "I can't see a govt. ever doing such a thing" but then i realise that it's America...
All this conspiracy talk is making me sleepy...I'm off. :)

Not convincing at all sfan. Think about the plethora of numbers involved here. About the hundreds of different combinations. The chance that there would be NO relationship to the simple numbers of 9 and 11 is virtually 0.
Yes, coincidence is much more likely than we imagine it to be. Look at all the relationships with the assasinations of Kennedy etc. It is just that, COINCIDENCE. Stop being foolish.

The problem with 911 conspiracies is that there are by now too many variations. If you accept all of them, they soon begin to conflict. It's better to carefully examine the proven facts, and then you can see the glaring holes in the official explanations.

You don't need to construct a "conspiracy theory", just keep asking the right questions.

Edited by Gazgoldcoast: 1/6/2009 11:26:48 PM

You do realise this isn't actually true?

None of the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks had the flight number "Q33 NY". "Q33 NY" has nothing to do with any of the planes involved. It's simply made up.

This is what V9.11 actually is in the Quran:



The actual loose change bullshit I'm not even going to bother with.

http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?catid=18

Go there, download:
9-11 Loose Change Second Edition Viewer Guide

And read it.

I think the easiest way to show bullshit is by seeing the dozens of variant theories about "what hit the pentagon". You will get "Global Hawk Drone". "Tomahawk Missile". "USAF Cargo Plane". "Passenger Jet with all the passengers taken out and flown remotely." "Gulf Stream Jet".

Edited by macktheknife: 2/6/2009 12:50:59 AM

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,20341165-5007191,00.html

Pfft. Of course they have all the answers ready for the questions. Its all part of the coverup i tells ya.

Lol i didn't say i beleived them or anything...they're just 'Theories' which is what this thread is about...I'm torn between whether 9/11 was or not but i'm just getting both sides (no matter how stupid or coincidental one side may seem to be).

Not that I need to gain the support of the few people in here with their head in the sand - but the evidence of 911 being that of an independent inside organisation within government completely outweighs the cock and bull story feed to us like chicken feed by the Bush administration. Most of you were impressionable little kids in 2001, I was 18 and remember everything in detail.

1. Bush needed a reason to invade Iraq. Prior to 911 there was no reason. The very first country Bush blamed was Iraq - but Richard Clarke who worked for the government and had just published a book about terrorism turned the focus back to Afghanistan and Bin Laden and the Iraq war was deferred until Bush vowed to defend the 'axis of evil' and went for Iraq anyway for the infamous 'weapons of mass distruction' that were never found. Bush ignored the UN security council and and invaded Iraq anyway - no surprises there.

2. NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) - Is a security system that scans the airways across Canada and the USA for the first time ever since it began in the cold war days 'malfunctioned' on Sept 11 2001. There was nothing guarding the airways on that day for the first time in NORADS history. This is FACT.

3. When US was in lock down and all aircraft was grounded - there was one plane that was allowed to leave and it carried the Bin Laden family. This is documented FACT. Bin Laden is not just a cave man you see - his family are royalty billionaire oil barons - just like Bush.

My most beleived conspiracy is that of the Aurora prject.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M

LOL! I was 35, on my honeymoon in Hawaii. We got stuck on Oahu for a week, only military planes and Bin Laden's family allowed in US airspace. It was noticeable how the Bush team did very little to alleviate the sense of fear and panic - they even cancelled Little League baseball games around the nation! As if they wanted people to be afraid.

And then, just when things were finally getting back to normal, there was the anthrax scare - another good "conspiracy theory" there! The FBI chased the wrong suspect for years, then hounded another guy to his death, and belatedly declared him the sole perp based on farcical scientific evidence. As if they didn't want to know the truth.

No coincidence that Bush Snr was head of the CIA for years, and was VP when Reagan was shot and nearly killed. Bush was in charge of the investigation which found no "conspiracy theory" there, even though the gunman was an old friend of his other son, Neil Bush. Nothing to see here, folks!

when quoting the quran, it is very important to understand that what you read, may not actually mean what it says. the quran is a very sacred book and it is only fully understood by a few people who have studied it for years. The language of the time is very old and different to today, and hence does not translate to what we just see all the time. We need to be careful when doing these things and the same would go for all the other books.

im not taking offense, just thought id add my 2 cents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft)

1. Has nothing to do with planes hitting the WTC or Pentagon.

2. Wrong. Apart from the fact Norad protects from threats outside the US and Canada (it's built to identify Soviet bomber and missiles and intercept if possible), it wasn't "malfunctioning" it was working just fine, and had been overseeing a training mission based around it's original task of intercepting bombers coming from the soviet union.

It also has nothing to do with planes hitting the WTC or Pentagon.

The US also had the usual number of planes in the US protecting the country. 14. Yes, only 14 to protect the entire country. That's what budget cutbacks and defeating the Soviets did.

3. The Bin Laden family is pretty big, and they aren't all terrorists, and maybe they were allowed to leave to avoid any potential? You are also wrong about planes not being allowed to take off. Unless you mean civilian only, which might be the case.

Oh, it also has nothing to do with planes hitting the WTC or Pentagon.

Bavarian illuminati. New World Order.

Please no Dan Brown quotes or refrences.

Get your head out your arse - It's all relevant.

Do you know how quick even the primitive FA18 hornets are compared to commercial airliners? If it sees a plane travel off coarse there is a military jet there within seconds - not on 911.

The soviet union was long gone before 2001 and NORAD is still the USA primary airspace. security.

Here's s a fact - the only 2 buildings ever to collapse in the world from a aircraft collision are the WTC. The amount of heat generated from aircraft fuel is not enough to liquefy solid steel beams in a building and cause it to implode on itself. It's impossible.

Edited by leftrightout: 2/6/2009 03:34:08 PM

Im reading Brad Thors The Last Prophet and in this book he talks alot about Muslims and the Qran and hiow the terrorists have majorly misinterpreted the Quran, its really interesting but it also a fiction boom.

The only time Norad had intercepted a plane off course in it's history was once, with Payne Stewart. 1997 iirc.

Maybe now you get planes intercepted if they go off course, but not before 9/11.



Before 9/11 (and maybe afterward, I'm not sure), Norad was not involved in patrolling or protecting the interior airspace of the United States.

It's mission is to protect, detect and intercept attempts by the Soviet Union (and Russia after the Soviet Union broke up) to send Missiles or Bombers into the US.



Sigh. You don't need to liquefy a steel beam to make it worthless for structural integrity purposes.

I'm sure if you flew a massive commercial airliner at 600 mph filled with jet fuel into most large buildings they would stand a good chance of being destroyed as well.

Im a big conspiracy theoty fan and I can see the convincing points for 911 but I am giving the US the benefit of the doubt, I just cant see how they could kill so many innocent AMERICANS. Saying that I can also see how it could have been set up by them I am just giving their humanity the benefit of the doubt

As quoted from popular mechanics:

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."


Also may I add the Twin Towers must be about the only high rise buildings to be hit by planes...

Empire State Building was hit by a B-25 bomber back in the day. Of course, it is a much smaller plane, was going about 6 times slower, and the fire was put out pretty quickly.

Conspiracy's keep life interesting. :)

FOX NEWS - the most credible :roll: news co-operation in the world - can pay whatever experts they like to give out a hypothesis. There are engineering experts who claim also that the way the building fell was that of a controlled demolition. Steel beams were pre-cut on acute angles which there are many photographs of the debris after 911 showing this.

Anyway - I'm not going to continue to feed pearls to swine. Look at the fact and figure it out for yourself. Watch Loose Change, Zietgiest...even Michael Moore's documentary Fahrenheit 911. Including all the literature these documentaries encourage you to view on their own websites which include mainly official documents. All made in the USA.

LOL Michael Moore is the worst most biast filmaker ever (he is not a documentary maker his films have to many lies to be documentaries)

Nobody quoted Fox.

yeah unfortunately, those extremists give all of us a bad name and are not reflective of the quran in any way. actually those who do these things are not considered to be on the right path. you only fight back if you religion is in direct trouble and this is not the case except probably in palestine. its a well placed propganda machine.

You're saying that because you're a right winger. IMO Bill O'Reilly is the most opinionated, lying, canniving, peice of shit, opportunist, bias host in world televison.

For those who believe that 9/11 was what the government said it was, explain the inconsistencies at the Pentagon and the lack of significant debris/bodies at the Flight 93 crash site.

Also, about Flight 93's passengers who contacted their family on the plane, that is also exteremly inconsistent. It is near impossible to contact anybody from a normal cellphone from cruising altitude.

I know you didn't quote Fox - but they had numerous experts come on their news channel for and against - claims were just pathetically laughed at and ignorantly interrupted. But if it was for the Bush admin...oh well that's ok. :roll:

I didn't see anything biased in Bowling for Columbine...the only one I haven't seen is the new one about the ailing US Health System (another bush administration blunder). But you should watch Loose Change at least which is the best of the three I mentioned.

He says that there is a certain passage or something that can be interpreted to be encouraging terrorism/the killing of westerners but that isnt whats intended and is majorly misinterpreted and that the extremist are looked down upon by a lot of ordinary muslims. I read the first 90 pages then had to stop to read something for school, ow Im reading something else but I will get back to it soon, basicaly the plot revolves around finding a missing passage from the Quran that Mohamed dictated with his last words that shut down any possible interpretation into killing westerners or infidel but the ones who wanted to interpret it like that had all witnesses killed but the script survives in present day times with terrorists on the loose and the US are after it, really interesting read

Did you bother downloading that file I posted on the last page? There was not a "lack of debris", there was bodies all over the place. There was parts of the jet, engine, wheels, fuselage and all sorts of debris.

There are no "inconsistencies" only selective evidence brought together and mis-interpreted to come to an incorrect conclusion which was reached by the conspiracy theorists before they even looked at the evidence.

Mack, find me some footage of significant debris (engines, fuselage, etc) and I'll believe you. I have never seen any, all I have seen has been footgae of a big hole with rubbish all around it.

However, you or someone else may say that these videos either weren't taken or not released because of the graphic nature of the footage, if there were bodies and a lot of debris but who's to say that the footage taken is worse than that of the WTC collapsing and of people committing suicide?

RE: Penatgon. Explain the one hole in the outer wall before it collapsed. Explain how teh front lawn did not show the damage teh plane reportedly caused.

We were doing similarities between Bush and Hitler in History the other day, no one mentioned 911 but you could seriously compare the Pentagon side of 911 if it was set up to the Reichstag fire, the Reichstag fire gained Hitler so much more power and he blamed it on terrorists but many believe it was him. Bush blamed it on terrorists, many believe it was him and he had an excuse to get some oil because of it. Also in this book I keep talking about, The Last Prophet, it mentions that Jefferson foresaw the threat that Muslims posed to the US as they were pirates in his day that kidnapped a lot of US people and sunk many of their ships and that he wrote a lot about the Muslims in his journals which are accessible to the current President and he writes about how to deal with them and stuff....Really interesting

http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?catid=18

Go there.

Download the first item. 9-11 Loose Change Second Edition Viewer Guide Download Entry

Page 45.

On the pictures of the wheels, they are very alike.

On the pictures of the fuselage, very easily plantable. Portions of fuselage such as that can be easily found at junkyards. Of course I'm not saying they were but give me a video of it actually hitting the Pentagon, which there isn't (the only one IIRC is of little quality and doesn't even show a plane)

The 3rd row of pictures: The one on the left is acceptable, the other doesn't clearly show airplane debris.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/911_90_08.jpg
Poor quality picture my apologies but I couldn't find the picture shown in the movie.

Edited by marconi101: 2/6/2009 06:08:49 PM

Isnt the pentagon one of the most sercurity tight places in the world? so you would expect a lot of sercuity cameras right? but hardly no footage? (decent angles anyways)

Wait? So I give you pictures of debris all over the place, you come back with "It's planted" and then "I want video", even though you know there isn't anything more than the video which doesn't show a plane, because it was going so fast the frames didn't catch it.

100's of people say the plane, and saw it hit the pentagon. Much of the plane itself was recovered, and all but 1 of the passengers remains were identified coming from the wreckage.

I quote you, you say:


I show you the link, the document with multiple pictures of wheels, engine, fuselage, and you come back with "It's all planted".

So was it planted or do you still think none exists?

Edited by macktheknife: 2/6/2009 06:31:23 PM

To clear things up I didn't say that, IMO I thought they were planted, I was just saying that it was a possibility that they were.
There are cameras that would have seen the plane, as .:bp:. said it's teh Pentagon; it would be littered with security cameras and yet the only ones realeased are of a low quality, small camera at a helipad and a camera at a petrol station which obly saw the smoke?

The debris exists, I'm looking at it, therefore it exists. However if there is no footage that actually shows what caused the debris all it eludes to is that there is debris next to a smoking building. It's not proof. Definitive proof is video evidence that answers questions not makes them.



Edited by marconi101: 2/6/2009 06:54:22 PM

All the 9/11 conspriacy theories are nuffin but a crock of shit. FFS.
All the Area 51 conspiracy's are a crock of shit. Hasn't anybody heard of a Air Force Base. FFS, where they keep the best attack jets etc etc etc.
All Conspiracies are usually started by overweight 27 year old virgin nerds who are at the computer all day, live in a basement with their computers and gagets and usually have an intrest in WOW.

Remember the fat nerdy bloke from DH4. name was warlock or sumfin, blokes like that idiot.

Don't confuse me with a conspriacy theorist. I just think there are inconsistencies in the original story and they should be rectified.

Edited by marconi101: 2/6/2009 07:18:02 PM

Aynone seen the South Park episode about the conspiracy of 9/11? It turned out that the conspiracy that it was the government was a conspiracy by the government as they wanted to seem more powerful when terrorists actually did it. Best episode ever.

lol I remember that episode it was fucking hilarious!!!!!

Hmmn, did you know that Bush's grandfather was convicted of aiding the Nazis in WWII (he was a banker who helped pay for the railroads that they built to concentration camps). At the outbreak of WWII, many wealthy US families wanted their government to come help Hitler's side, because they were making good profits working with the Third Reich. Dick Cheney's vision of government is pretty close to outright Fascism (althoug that's a much-abused word these days).

As for the Reichstag "false flag" event, google "Gulf of Tonkin" or take a closer look at Pearl Harbour. Or for some really interesting history, look at US involvement in Latin America and even Hawaiian islands going back a few hundred years.

I'm not anti-US, just sick of the pretense that they are always the good guys.

The invasion of Iraq was the biggest pre-planned crime in history, and John Howard was in it up to his neck (did you know he met Bush and Rupert Murdoch in NYC just 24 hours before 9/11?). We need some accountability, including a whole new 911 Commission and an Australian Royal Commission.

The dead deserve no less.

All those saying that the plane can't have crashed into the pentagon because there was no wreckage, take a look at THIS IMAGE.
That's an air crash about two years ago in Russia, there's no wreckage there either. When a pressurised metal tube hits the ground at 600km/h it disintegrates.

Moreover, how does the US government make the hundreds of people on board each plane disappear in complete and total silence?

Whether the US government knew the attacks were going to happen is a completely different question and odds are we'll never know.

Edited by afromanGT: 2/6/2009 11:13:26 PM

I read somewhere that the Isreali Spy Organistation, the Mossad, (which is easily the best spy and secret organistation in the world, they need to be, its israel) knew about the 9/11 attacks up to 12 months before they occoured, but didn't tell the Americans because it suited israel if the Americans started a war against an Arab nation.

I heard it was Colonel Mustard in the study with the candlestick 8-[ :-"

Why would they jeopardise the agreement they have with their closest ally in order to have them wage war with a country that's thousands of Kilometers away? Sounds like more speculation tbh.

It was Professor Plum, in the Kitchen with the Rope, DUH.

Edited by guest: 3/6/2009 01:47:12 AM

It has to be this guy...look how smarmy he is.

But he is a Colonel. No Officer and a Gentleman could be responsible for such atrocity.

Maybe it was Colonel Sanders.

You mean Ho Chi Minh?

Yeah, with the Kon-Tum Fried Chicken...in the kitchen.
[size=1]Kon-Tum is a place in Vietnam[/size]

[youtube][/youtube]

Rockefeller interview.

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Recorded in an 80's documentary.

Edited by leftrightout: 3/6/2009 10:46:36 AM

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I was sure we were past this shit.,..

Sorry for posting in a thread about CONSPIRACY'S :shock:

You can start the next conspiracy topic...:-"

or if you have nothing half intelligent to say...don't say it - simple.

look, if it goes wrong, blows up, crashes down, explodes, erupts into a fireball....blame chief wiggum. :lol:

The late 40seconds of the 80's doco you see a plane fly past the windows, I thought it was pretty funny.

One of the problems with this stuff is that people take an interest when they hear one side of a story, but then lose interest as soon as they hear another side. When the corporate media is complicit in government cover-ups, it takes even more effort to find the truth.

It takes time and curiosity to keep digging and work out the facts for yourself. Most people are too stupid, too lazy, or just too busy.

Oh my god, it's finally happened. Afro's profile has been hacked into by a World game Forumite.

And you had to quote it #-o

SoO 1 2009.

There were definatly some dodgy desicions that game....i mean that first try, Bill Harrigan must be losing his vision, i mean even on my shitty TV i could see a tiny gap beetween his boot and the white paint. #-o

I already made an intelligent contribution. The fact that you all had nothing to say in response makes me question the purpose of the topic if you're not going to debate the points I make.
The fact that I owned all your arses is irrelevant. September 11 happened and was legitimate. Deal with it. Whether it was orchestrated by the government is a whole different kettle of worms and we'll probably never know though. Now talk about an actual interesting conspiracy, not one that Michael Moore has flogged to death.

:-$ queensland were always going to win and I scored $40 worth of beer from it. Shut it.

Oh yeah, sorry I forgot...what you say is the be all end all. If it's not a cynical comment then must be because the fella with highest post count said so.



Nothing to say to what? I honestly didn't even see a retort from you - only you and Guest having a wankfest tennis match trying to stroke each others egos.



Wishful thinking at best.



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I am dealing with it - your just ignoring everything. Typical sheep behaviour. follow the crowd ipod in ears - believe what every they tell you... I didn't think you were that naive afro?? Afro I don't take anything as gospel - My point is their is a lot more evidence and facts that are making majority of people question the 'official' truth. Is that wrong?



Your spot on - we'll never know because sheep like you choose to live in a box and not have a neutral gear in their brain.



I'm still waiting - but not before you come down on me with more cynicism :roll:

leftrightout posting at 10:00:00... :-k

Smells fishy.

martyB commenting on leftrightout's post exactly 8 minutes and 36 seconds later.

I've just got off the phone to Interpol.

Ahem. OK, here's what we've got: the Rand Corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires are forcing our parents to go to bed early in a fiendish plot to eliminate the meal of dinner.

We're through the looking glass, here, people.

Edited by macktheknife: 4/6/2009 10:26:10 AM

My response drawing a response from the top 2 moderators and some [size=1]irrelevant little MANU supporter...[/size] All on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square massacre this is huge - wont be long before KA shuts this thread down....:-#

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

and

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

For every piece of 'evidence' you have, there is another one there to debunk any myth you may have.

Edited by imnofreak: 4/6/2009 11:14:51 AM

We have a winnah!!!

http://www.infowars.com/

http://prisonplanet.tv/

Your first link is just stupid. For every website for there is one against...so what - your point imno?

Esoteric Hitlerists and conspiracy theorists interested in Nazi mysticism and World War II have speculated that the Germans landed on the Moon as early as 1942.

According to other theories it is believed that the Nazis had made contact with 'half a dozen' alien races, including the malevolent Reptilians.

[-(

To suggest that all conspiracy theories are wrong just because some are is childishly ridiculous.

You are just being willfully difficult because you are suffering off-season boredom, aren't you Deportivo?

Im not going to lie or deny it. Just hoping for an excessively silly Silly Season.

But you cant deny my conspiracy either. Those Nazi's were involved in all kinds of wacky shit. I like to use Indian Jones and the Last Crusade + Return to Castle Wolfenstein as points of reference. [-(

Some theorists though are just whacko I went onto a conspiracy theory site the other day for some reading material to cure boredom and they were trying to say that dinosaurs exist still and were seriously suggesting that French plane was connected to UFO's

There are some people that believe the whole Apollo mission to the moon was faked. They even made a movie about it - but the movie was about a mission to Mars.

You should be intelligent enough not to put all people that believe in conspiracy's into the same basket. some claims are more sensible then others whacked out ones.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm just the star of my own reality show - like Truman. :P

Sometimes I wonder if martyB is the the name of super intelligent computer in the 442 head office that just generates an automated response to formers.

KA you need to update martyB from windows 98 already!

"Being the 33rd President of the United States"...cant see it being as popular as Big Brother TBH. :p

IF the Truman show existed it would have been incredibly dull imo

That movie did have a strong message behind it...

Yeah...if I don't see you, good morning, good evening and goodnight.

No you are correct.

Producers would go out of their way to make it interesting. I can imagine it happening.

It would be fucking weird though, being stuck in a tv show and not knowing it (for the most part). And the messages in the storyline were quite intriguing.

Like by making a movie such as the Truman Show just to make you wonder if you were in the same situation...

Like those times when everything goes absolutley wrong for you, and you reckon God is having one big laugh at you with his buddies. I can imagine a television audience finding my pain hilarious(Sons of bitches:x).

Still just watching someone work, sleep and eat would be incredibly dull. You could see produces making twists in his life by playing with the other characters, killing them off, getting his wife to cheat, new friends, fights with old ones etch but there is only so much they could do before you would begin to question its credibility and wether or not it is real

Well thats what they did in Truman show. And he caught on.

I beleive that the evil snake in the Garden of Eden secretly implanted its seed into Eve and all those in power are the direct descendants of the snake.

It would explain a lot of things.

Heres how I see it.

Bin Laden family indirectly funded Osamas September 11 plot. Indirectly because he is estranged, but still recieves funds because hes not as estranged as theyd like us to believe.

The plan on September 11 involved more than 4 planes, as far as im concerned thats a no brainer.

The two which crashed into the towers were perfectly executed, pardon the pun. The towers fell as a result of the planes weakening the structure. There were no bush planted bombs, however im still open to the idea of terrorist planted bombs, though this time they worked. If this was the case then the planes were symbolical, as in they provide the lasting image, and the bombs provided the lasting effect - ground zero, zip, zilch, goneski, thanks for coming.

The crash in Pennsylvania was headed for Philly. It was shot down by the Air Force. The story of United 93 is a fabricated fabrication.. The people on the plane were sacrificed to save another WTC type attack. However the passengers did not sacrifice themselves by fighting back, the Air Force sacrificed them. Then of course the government made the big cover-up story to make the people on board seem like heroes and so that the real reaction was not questioned.

The pentagon crash is the weird one. Either a plane did crash and it did disintergrate or the army decided to bomb the pentagon to convince the nation they were under attack. What better place to attack to shake a governemnt to its core? There was enough delay from the WTC strikes to plan this elaborate self-destruction.



Im glad I was alive when this happened. I believe the truth will come out eventually, just like info we dig up about past major events. Will be interesting thats for sure. The images of that day I cant get enough of tbh. I wish I was standing under the WTC when the planes struck and I was looking upwards. The feeling in the city would have been amazing. I think experiencing that sort of devastation, first hand, would put everything into perspective.

I have often wished that, it would be really scary but also really crazy at the same time, the feeling of looking up and seeing such devastation would be scary as hell and indescribable but it would be an unbelievable feeling none the less.

100% Agree.

Regarding the bold text: I am the same, I occasionally look up the videos on youtube etc because I cant get enough of it.

Yeah I have a shocking memory and cant even really remember much about life back then but I remember the feeling I had that day it was incredible, it was almost like adrenaline mixed with shock and awe

The moon landing was a fake is probably the most ultimate conspiracy ever

I remember the night perfectly, Grandfolks home, up in the middle of the night folding newspapers for the weekly route. I was sitting in my knes absolutely stunned at what i was watching. Those initial images have never left my mind.