Celtic rumours: McDonald out, Giroud in?
Celtic striker Scott McDonald has been linked with a £4million move to Wigan in January - although the fee may not be paid until the summer.

Wigan, who are currently 14th in the Premier League, attempted to sign the Australia international on the summer deadline day but were unsuccessful. McDonald has scored 12 goals so far this season (assuming his tally against St Mirren at the weekend is recorded as two) but has not been an ever-present.

According to the Evening Times, Wigan boss Roberto Martinez wants to sign McDonald on loan in January ahead of a permanent deal in the summer - which would make sense for the English side as they wouldn't be financially committed until they knew whether they had secured their Premier League status for another season.

However, unless the Celtic board are thinking of handing Tony Mowbray a sizeable transfer kitty, it's not unreasonable to assume a deal in January would be far more beneficial from the seller's viewpoint. Rumours suggest Mowbray is eyeing-up 23-year-old striker Olivier Giroud, who currently plays for Tours in the French second division, so perhaps the cash would be welcome.

While Scott McDonald has a fairly decent scoring record since joining from Motherwell for just £600,000 in the summer of 2007, it's not hard to imagine the sale being made in order to generate cash - the difference between £600,000 and £4,000,000 is hard to miss and would easily cover the £2million Giroud is estimated to be worth.



http://www.celtic.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=179406

I honestly would like to see it happening but I don't think it will.

Skippy is still quite popular with Celtic fans isn't he? I'd like to think he was worth more than that figure tbh.

I'd say he's worth more than that to Celtic and the fans, but I don't if he's worth more than that to Mowbray. Would be a stupid move to let him go, but for some reason I can see Mowbray doing it.

Having a look at the Celtic forum, most fans seem particularly unappreciative of Macca and would gladly see him leave for £4million.

http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/transfer-rumours/70935-mcdonald-leave-3.html

4 Million for Macca..........................clean pair of heals.....HE'S GOOOONNNNNEEEE

Good move IMO, scottish league is very weak... that was shown in the UCL...

AZ were champions of the Dutch league and they are bottom of their group. Does that mean the Dutch League is 'very weak'? ](*,) :roll:

Edited by imnofreak: 4/12/2009 05:12:24 PM

Um yes. It means their top teams cant compete with top teams from other leagues. Hence League is weak. Erdivisie = Bottom-mid table prem.

Nobody is saying the Dutch league is as good as the EPL or La Liga. But they're not weak. The dutch league is one of the 'best of the rest', along with Germany and the like.

I hope it happens.

You are comparing the Bundesliga to the Erdivisie? Are you on crack? Werder, Bayern and Schalke would easily rival the premier leagues top 6. (not as good as maybe Chelsea/Man u but the rest would get a run for their money). And thats not counting the overall strength of the bundesliga, there is not much of a gap between teams. its a very very strong league. And i wouldnt be surprised if it Pipped Serie A Soon. How the fuck can you even remotely compare the dutch league to the German is beyond me. Did you know Italy uses German league based players infront of teams ranked in their division? Do you even watch Bundesliga?

Erdivisie is junk im sorry to tell you (compared to bundesliga). Just look at holmans recent Goal. Completely unmarked and he ran 80 m to the goal. JOKE. Ajax, PSV, Twente, AZ are decent but nothing to sneeze at. Probably Mid table EPL if you compare conservatively (more realistically just below Mid table). Fener/galatasaray/ and a fair few French teams, like Mars, Bordeux and Lyon, Monaco, PSG are upper prem table.

1. La Liga/Premier League
2. Serie A
3. Bundesliga (very very close to Serie A)
4. Ligue 1 (france)
5. Turk Super Lig/Russian Premier League
6. Erdivisie / Greek League /Liga I (Romanian league)/ Belgian Jupiter League
7. The rest i dont give a fuck about. Few good teams here and there. Zurich, Basel, Apoel, etc




Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 10:28:03 PM

Ajax: UEFA Champions League winners (x4)

PSV: UEFA Champions League winners

Feyenoord: UEFA Champions League Winners

Yeah, sounds like a shit league. A German team has won the UCL 6 times. Same amount as Netherlands. Funny that

Edited by imnofreak: 4/12/2009 10:42:22 PM

What does history have anything to do with modern day strength and success?

Phail with a ph. Learn how to make an argument. Erdivise simply doesnt have the spending power or coverage of the other major leagues that INCLUDES the Bundesliga.



Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 10:46:26 PM

Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 10:47:42 PM

PSV made the semi-finals in 2005. Hardly history.

The last time a German team made the semis was 2002.

Edited by imnofreak: 4/12/2009 10:49:25 PM

There is a reason there is a UEFA coefficient and why the dutch league gets allocated only 2 champ spots. Nuff said.

How much of a tard are you to compare the Bundesliga to the erdivisie and try to make an argument out of it.

Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 10:54:54 PM

01 Premier League
02 La Liga
03 Serie A
04 Bundesliga
05 Ligue 1
06 Russian Premier League
07 Ukrainian Premier League
08 Eredivisie
09 Liga I
10 Portuguese Liga


I never said the Eredivisie was better. I just said that it was part of the best of the rest. Looking at this list, the 'rest' would be the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Russian League, Ukrainian League, and the Eredivisie.



Sorry, had to bring this up. One goal scored that was questionable defending, the league MUST be shit. :lol:

Edited by imnofreak: 4/12/2009 10:58:32 PM

it is a shit league. The gap between the Bundesliga and the erdivisie is HUGE. and bundesliga should nto be considered as the 'rest' as you put it. its easiliy one of the major leagues in europe and like is said its very close to pipping Serie A and it has many World class players.


Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 11:03:34 PM

seriously, According to one Afroman, I am on par with you, and you sir are looking like a complete idiot. You hate Holman, that doesn't mean you have to hate his league.

I dont give a fuck what you think avy. Im saying imno is a dumb ass for even remotely comparing the bundesliga to the erdivisie. If you dont like that then you can join him in the idiots corner who knows fuck all about football. Be my guest.

I dont just watch Premier league like you bandwagoner idiots. Erdivisie what a joke. One team in the group stages and they got steam rolled. just like the last 4 years. At least Bundesliga teams are able to compete with the best and maintain some sort of respectable score line.



Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 11:08:00 PM

:lol: Talk about blowing something out of proportion. If you call the Eredivisie shit, Im afraid to hear what you call the HAL :lol:

HAL is not worth investing in or watching and i spit on it 500 times. And these asshat tards who think any, thats right ANY A-league player should even play near (not in) the NT, needs their head kicked in.

HAL = League 2 or bottom table league 1 (at best)

Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 11:10:24 PM

:lol: In 06/07 PSV Finished 2nd behind Liverpool. Funnily enough, in the same year, Hamburg finished bottom of their group.

:lol: If you didnt engage in hyperbole all the time and didnt give us the chance to poke so many holes in your arguments, you might end up winning a few.

You lost the moment you compared the bundesliga to the erdivisie. Or even remotely compared it.

Last time i checked 3 bundesliga teams were still in the race for the final 16 Where are the dutch teams. I dont even have to go back 2 years :). Bundesliga = Competitive. Erd = Junk and down and out.

Every year that goes on. The Dutch teams are getting less and less competetative. they have no financial muscle or good sponsorship.



Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 11:16:04 PM

Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 11:17:07 PM

:lol: See what I mean? Culina should clearly be NEAR the NT at worst. Sterj is close, Burns is close, Coyne is close, Vukovic is close. You try to make your arguments sound more convincing by exaggerating everything. It only accelerates your downfall.

You see when I stick to the facts, you resort to name calling and childish retorts? Ladies and gentleman, this is what is technically known as grasping at straws, or floundering

K,

Last time i checked 3 bundesliga teams were still in the race for the final 16. Where are the dutch teams? I dont even have to go back 3 seasons. Bundesliga = Competitive. Erd = Junk and down and out and simply getting less and less competitive every year. And the German teams have MUCH harder groups than AZ (lol funny they have only 1 team there)

In fact AZ probably had the easiest group. with only Arsenal to compete with. Failed miserably. and they dominated the Dutch league last season. Bottom of the table in the easiest group.

Need i mention Werder and Hamburg in the semis and Finals of the Uefa cup last season. and Bayern Quarters of the CL?

I win. Bye, you can leave now. You lost.










Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 11:26:25 PM

You've already said that Seriously #-o

And since when has a team's performance in the Champions League decided how shit their league is?

And that last sentance is something I'd expect from a six year-old.


Edited by benjo: 4/12/2009 11:25:13 PM

Ok, again, the Bundesliga is better than the Eredivisie. Nobody is debating that. But the Dutch league is obviously GOOD and COMPETITIVE, otherwise their wouldnt have been Dutch teams in the semis in the last 5 years. And they wouldnt be given two spots in the most prestigious club competition in the world if they were 'shit'.

Bundesliga = Very strong league (shown by their UEFA Ranking)

Eredivisie = Good league (Shown by their UEFA Ranking)

Proving me right. :)

Benjo - Are you really suprised?

At first I was like ](*,)



Then I was like :oops: ](*,) :x



Followed by a few :roll: :roll::roll:



Then I thought, does he know where his team is, not even playing in the top flight of any competition?

Then I got bored... and had a couple of :lol: :lol:

WRONG, its not competitive is recent times. you cant count 4 seasons ago as recent. teams change every year. I guarantee you there would not be more than 3 or 4 players in that team that made it to the semi's. If you want to compare you comapre to this season or the last. or perhaps if you are very desperate 07/08 (but thats pushing it).

So like i said. Hamburg, and werder were in the Finals and semi's, and bayern CL quarters (against champions Barca).

This season 3 bundesliga teams still competeing for finals spots in Very hard groups. Dutch teams have not at all been competitive in the last 3-4 seasons. Sorry.

No Doubt the dutch league used to be competitive, not denying that one bit. But now in this money orientated world, players will follow the trail of money and at the Moment the dutch league cant compete and it doesn't have the financial stem, the other big leagues do. Bundesliga has HUGE sponsorship deals Huge.



Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 11:35:43 PM

K thanks for wasting a post with smiley emotions well done. It contributed alot. You can move on now. Cya.

Has a Thierry Henry in his sig also. Nice work.





Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 11:40:30 PM

Wasting a post?, Theyre not made of paper. :oops:

Right...mate, right. What you said.

Alright, seeing as we're looking at Europa League:

Ajax are unbeaten and topping their group this year.
Heerenveen and Hertha are close to each other in their group, with Heerenveen with an easier match against Ventspills, things could go either way, but they are CLOSE. (close is the key word, in case you missed it)
Twente are 2nd in their group.
PSV are unbeaten and topping their group this year.
Werder and Hamburg are also topping their groups. (though not unbeaten). Again, looks like the leagues are CLOSE.

Last season:
Ajax beat Fiorentina to make it to the R16, before losing 4-3 to Marseille in quarters. Hardly shit.

07/08:
PSV Made it to the quarter finals, defeating Tottenham along the way. So much for Dutch teams being pwned by top 6 EPL.




Edited by imnofreak: 4/12/2009 11:45:47 PM

the same tottenham, that didnt give a fuck about the uefa cup? and fielded 19-20 yo?


Second. Im sure there was a far greater benefit for tottenham to finish higher in the league than compete in the uefa cup. Thats the benefit of being in a big league. You would have got more financial gain from finishing higher in the league (splot TV earnings) than competeing int he then Uefa cup. Also tottenham's wasnt doing well in the league at that time and were in danger of relegation.

And about last season? Um didnt i just say Werder and Hamburg made it to the semis (where they faced off) otherwise it would have been both german teams in the final? so who cares if Ajax made it to the last 16.

THis season:

Champions league:

3 german teams still competeing for final places

Europa league:

Werder and Hamburg already qualified and werder was unbeaten WHICH included a La liga team. Hertha need 1 point to qualify.

Sorry dutch teams dont evne compare. Twente are currently leading the erd and they didnt even get close to fener. and No teams left in CL.




Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 11:52:46 PM

Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 11:56:12 PM

TOTTENHAM: Robinson 6, Chimbonda 6, Woodgate 7, King 6 (Lennon 6), Lee 5 (Bent 6), Jenas 6, Zokora 6, Huddlestone 7, Malbranque 7, Berbatov 6, Keane 7 (O'Hara 5).

Yeah, sounds like 19-20yos to me.

Do you not even research your facts??

eh? Are you talking about last season because i remember they just fielded 20 yos. it was either them or villa, but im pretty sure it was tottenham.

Does it matter anyhow? Wer are talking about the current competitivness of Bundesliga and erd teams. And erd sucks atm.

No teams in CL, and Struggling to to get 2 though the group stages in Europa. hence Erd sucks. Last seaoson they sucked as well. So what argument you got left?

Edited by seriously: 4/12/2009 11:58:23 PM

Edited by seriously: 5/12/2009 12:00:28 AM

Just thought I'd refresh your memory: Having multiple teams topping their groups in the Europa League undefeated is hardly 'shit' or 'sucks'

Where and when? withing 3 years ago?

Right now. Ajax and PSV are unbeaten and top of their group.

Ok this is the last thing im going to say.

look at 07-08, 08-09 and THis season. Look at the Uefa cup and Champions league. Compare Groups and reaching the finals between the Two leagues. Then get back to me. In fact Bundesliga far outperformed probably every single league in the Uefa cup. and Did far better than most leagues (except the top 3) in the CL.

Erd didnt even come close. Case closed. Erd is shyte (compared to bundesliga). I think you should watch more of it..

Big shit if they topped group, I guarantee you the German teams will outperform them in the finals. thye always reach the Quarters at least. Erd teams havent done so in >3 years.

Do you think if werder faced PSV, PSV would stand a chance? Your having a laugh.



Edited by seriously: 5/12/2009 12:09:12 AM

Edited by seriously: 5/12/2009 12:10:27 AM

If I had a dollar...

Edited by imnofreak: 5/12/2009 12:13:19 AM

:lol: seriously why do you constantly try to give evidence for your point, but totally disregard others' evidence?

ps. why the fuck would mcdonald go to wigan? what does he have to gain moving there?

Edited by SammyLovesBacon: 7/12/2009 01:56:27 AM

Its ok, you get used to it.

:lol:

Money would be the sole motivating factor as he would miss out on regular European football.