wollongong only got 150-200 to there home games last year

Is that were the kicked in the chest video came from?

That's only a minority though. Most of the oldies get along go too the club together. Most of the young ones get along it's just the small group that think they are fucking heroes and have to hate each other. The two countries get along now aswell.

Plus that doesn't happen in the state league because the two sets of fans are locked out because the NSW Police and Football NSW want too seem like they are being safe when it's just stupid.

Well :-k...they do say a photo says a thousand words...







I'm not trying to shitstir, but it'd be awful if state league football once more turned into scenes like the old NSL...:?

TBH, I just think that people don't go to the state leagues because it's not 'the best'. For the same reason many aussies don't go to the A-League because it's not the EPL.

I took some mates down to an ECU match or two, and they liked their chips and gravy and whatnot, but at the end of the day they didn't come back because "it's shit".

Now, I don't agree with that, but then again I'm a lover of the game no matter what level. I'd watch (and will watch, soon enough) Conference matches in the UK if they were on near me.

State leagues suffer the same affliction that the WAFL, the Skywest Basketball League, and the WACA Grade Cricket League suffer over here. As far as I'm concerned (in WA anyway) it's not mono-ethnic cultures that are keeping people away from the 2nd tier matches... it's the fact that they're second tier matches!

WACA attendance for the Aussies v South Africa in a one-dayer? ~20,000 people.
WACA attendance for WA vs Victoria in a one-dayer? ~2,000 if you're lucky
WACA Smokefree League attendance? Maybe 50 plus some officials?

Most Croats and Serbs get along anyway most went to school together it's just the minority that think they have to hate each other because of their nationalities and therefore everyone thinks us Croats and Serbs all hate each other.

I agree to a point.

I do go to the occassional state league top of the table game too and I do enjoy my 2 souvlakis and a few cold beers while I'm there.

But you are talking to the converted and I think I'm also talking to the converted by the sound of it.

What about the uncorverted though? How is this game going to attract new fans to the state leagues while the overwhelming impression out there among the existing A-League followers is that state league soccer, after 5 years of the A-League revolution, is still mono-ethnic club soccer? How are we going to entice them to come to the games? By tempting them with tasty souvlaki, great polish sausage, kebabs and hot chips?

How is it ok for me or anybody else like me to express delight at the pleasure I get out of the spicy snacks and cold drinks I enjoy at state league games when I know deep inside that the reason there's only 200 people at the game is because fans of a nationality other than that of the club I follow feel excluded and won't come?

I look around me mate, I see the same old faces I have been seing all my life at these sort of games, people of the same nationality as me and my state league team and I feel sad this type of mono-ethnic soccer is still promoted in 2009 like it's a good thing for our game and its future.

And then we'll turn around again in a few weeks time and blame everybody else for the shambles the state leagues are in except the real culprit.

It's really sad.

this is how i think the ladder will look at the end of the season
1. manly
2. sutherland
3. bonnyrigg
4. sydney united
5. blacktown
6. sydney olympic
7. marconi
8. bankstown
9. APIA
10. west sydney
11. south coast
12. rockdale

winner of tiger turf cup: final will be bonnyrigg vs olympic. olympic to win it

rockdale to get relegated, with Parramatta Melita geting promoted

its the new generation of these peoples who have come together.

sure not all will, but some will.

Yeah, but i can't see all the Croats, Serbs, Greeks, Macedonians, etc etc etc etc etc who live out ------> that way all suddenly coming together and Uniting under the one team, with a cup of tea, and a quick sorry and pat on the back.

think i will be going to blacktown games this season.

watch blacktown. we will make the semis. genc is back. our staduim issue is solved, as with our financial issues. yes we may get crowds around 200-300 but watch us. your selling us very short mate

i look forward to the rovers. more games for the jets close to home

Well if Rovers go out and show these 'ethnics' that they are a club for the community like they will then they will get the old NSL supporters on board.

I think looking at the average crowds for the 2009 NSWPL season was about 500-1k depending on whose playing.

Teams like Manly United and (then Wollongong Community Football club, now South Coast United) got regualar crowds of approx. 500, although Sydney United and Olympic, Marconi, Bonnyrigg always used to pull a decent crowd.

A westie would say it's down to West Sydney being the epicenter of football in this country, but i'd put a tenner on the fact that the "ethnics" who currently root for Olympic and United, and all those Ethnic based teams won't suddenly jump up and start supporting rovers.

please read my comment here -

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23049


tell me what you think?

i would like to hear.

Edited by Blackmac79: 3/12/2009 07:11:38 PM

Edited by Blackmac79: 3/12/2009 07:12:57 PM

The NSWPL is a corrupt league

what my friend you can honestly say the a-league os working?

brisbane, adelaide owned by the ffa, north queensland backer walks

the rovers dont have a backer

poor crowds across the board well see who walks next??

o media coverage apart from fox, are you joking now are what?

this is a serious post and factual, love to see what you all have to say.

I love how you all take offence to these post but when someone says teams that have 52 plus years of history and have built football in this country deserve to be in the 4th division is not a football fan

i cant believe people actually think that these teams should be in the b-league.

the b-league should be franchised in the same way as the a-league. only way it would work.

sorry to burst your bubble. but these teams deserve 4th level of the future australian pyramid at best.

Grand final between Perth SC and Western Knights saw a touch under 2000 attend. That's a decent crowd though owing it to being a big game- grand final and all.

Typical crowd at my local club (ECU Joondalup) would probably be approx 200? 300?

Someone like Perth SC would get more, but other teams would get less.

moderate read the posts sir.

1 - how can you call first grade squads grass roots? are you feeling ok?

2 - a match preview of the big games and match reviews of the big games not a weekly preview and round up from footballnsw website? that is not journalism thats copy the link? surely fourfourtwo is not that busy in the a-league offseason?

If you ban me for the post than so be it but it is a fair call, shows you have no respect for your readers and their opinions

Don't have a heart attack over it!!! The Mods will move it if they deem it necessary.

i personally do not care about what paoktzi is saying .. i do believe though that his threads belong in the "Grass Roots Football" forum

*Patience running thin.*

No, you are still wrong.

You wanted a preview and review of each round. Look at that link. Aha! A preview and review of each round.

F1 DAVE what do perth state league teams average

Yeah, but he was talking about the average crowd. Olympic aren't really your run-of-the-mill state league team. There'll be shitty teams with shitty crowds to balance them out.

One article a month is not considered coverage guys.

In a month of the a-league their is probably what over 100 articles or so and the second division of the country gets 1 articles a month? is that right?

How do you then expect the game to progress?

I agree with yoru figues of 100 - 700

But lats year olympic had from 500 - 1800 so your figures arent exactly right.

And you'll get to have some great curry and chips, or polish sausage, or a kebab, plus some full strength beer- all at a great price!

I like my state league games. You buy stuff from there, you know you're helping your club... I just wish the same was true of the A-League :(

and usually on time too. This was the reason i first started coming to 442 in the first place.

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