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+xFor a stronger ipa I think it is better than Sierra Nervada Torpedo. I still prefer Lagunitas Maximus though. Wow! I think the Sierra Nevadas are fabulous. I will look out for Lagunitas Maximus.
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For a stronger ipa I think it is better than Sierra Nervada Torpedo. I still prefer Lagunitas Maximus though.
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+xAlso tried this one too. Same company 8% ipa. Nice flavor  As a gauge have you tasted Sierrra Nevada's Pale Ale and IPA? If you have, how do these others compare?
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For the wine drinkers here, it is amazing what a difference decanting makes.
That is, pour a wine into a decanter for an hour before drinking it.
I received this tip from a few mates who've done wine tasting courses. One can test the difference by having two identical bottles of wine, decanting one, whilst not the other. There is a significant difference in taste.
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+x+xSomeone posted wanting to know about other alcohol than beer. I'll give a run down of Tassie pinot noirs when I have more time. This is a grape where there are only four ideal places to grow it in the world - France, NZ, Oregon and Tassie. That's not true. Some places in Victoria, around Mornington Peninsula and the Yarra Valley, make amazing Pinot Noir. I haven't tasted any good Victorian pinot noirs yet. However, some of them have done quite well in national comps. They should be good.
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Also tried this one too. Same company 8% ipa. Nice flavor
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Clown Shoes Crunkle Sam, Mass. USA. As described has a toffee dried fruit hops taste. 11% , very smooth you can't tell it is so strong by the taste but has a very big kick. 
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+xDidnt Prancing Pony win an award for best in the world (in the uk I think)? Yeah... i think it was a red ipa... they do some great brews.
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Didnt Prancing Pony win an award for best in the world (in the uk I think)?
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+xSomeone posted wanting to know about other alcohol than beer. I'll give a run down of Tassie pinot noirs when I have more time. This is a grape where there are only four ideal places to grow it in the world - France, NZ, Oregon and Tassie. That's not true. Some places in Victoria, around Mornington Peninsula and the Yarra Valley, make amazing Pinot Noir.
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+x+x+x+x+xI know there's a heap of breweries I can support without much problem that are independently owned, although most of my beer drinking is at pubs and in pints so I'm usually limited to Coopers. I'm mostly curious about the forum perception on local vs. multinational ownership and how or if it influences purchasing decisions. There aren't many breweries that are both large and independent. With the exception of Coopers, it seems that once they reach a mainstream audience the big companies come in to buy, and I do wonder if there is a compromise available for someone like me who wants to support the smaller players, but doesn't want to punish a brewery that capitalises on success (selling out). I see there being a distinction between the Asahi takeover of Mountain Goat where they own it but nothing else seems to have changed, compared to say Matilda Bay that was bought out and doesn't seem to have much of a connection to their history and is just another option from the main players with a different label on the front (IMO). Youve really just got to do your homework and decide based on ethics v flavour but you will almost always find the independent ones will be far better quality. I've had many mates taste Moo Brew's Single Hop in the last few days. When I initially tasted it I thought it was mediocre. It has really grown on me. In the 15 or so tasters I've been with over Christmas the reaction has been they like it or they don't . It has a strong citrus flavour. I'd contend that it is a far better beer than you've rated it so far and that it doesn't agree with your subjective taste buds. Drinkers who've grown up on European beers, American craft beers and various other Aussie beers have often been blown out by it. Others really don't like it. The points of reference I have with you are Exit, Fortitude and Stone and Wood, all breweries which I like. Many who've drunk these beers prefer Moo Brew's Single Hop to any beer produced by any of these breweries. Single Hop may have improved since you last tried it. Many local brewers, competing with each other for flavour, are constantly fine tuning what they produce. Almost every week there are new beers which are raising the bar in Tassie. For example my two favourite pale ales a year ago, have been blown out of the water by many new ones, constantly evolving, in just a year. Currently my favourites are Last Rites' Pale Ale, Morrison's Pale Ale, Hobart Brewing Company Double IPA and Shambles Double IPA. I don't understand what you mean by blown out by it? Id just say that there are better options if your going for a single hop/single malt. And don't get me wrong when i say it is mediocre, this is in regard to craft beer not to beer entirely, id rather drink it to any megaswill. It just didn't challenge me. I've had 400+ new beers this year and it would be in my bottom 100. I also don't doubt tassie brewers are doing well but we just don't get them on the mainland very often, and trust me if i can get down that's next year i will be drinking alot of it. I just did our quick run to dubbo and had to drink absolute garbage, luckily i took stuff from home for when we weren't at the pub! How much beer to you drink a week, Scubaroo? What do you weigh? I walk for an hour a day and do a further hour in the gym to negate the beer effect. LOL! I only have one beer a night Sunday to thursday and probably average a dozen over saturday and Sunday combined. I try to use untappd to log beers but ALWAYS forget (not tech savvy)... but i have them all logged in books for a rating or if i need to try again. Normally will try most things at least twice... unless its related to blue moon...agh! When it comes to expensive beers myself and friends will share beers (they are generally larger than standard beer). This year has definitely been my biggest beer count though, on count of family and friends travelling overseas. As for my weight... im definitely over weight, i can't do strenuous excercise due to my trigeminal neuralgia but i do about 12km walking on my days off (weather permitting) and up to 20km when working. So that helps but not the same. Its been tough since giving up football 3 years ago.
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+x+x+x+xI know there's a heap of breweries I can support without much problem that are independently owned, although most of my beer drinking is at pubs and in pints so I'm usually limited to Coopers. I'm mostly curious about the forum perception on local vs. multinational ownership and how or if it influences purchasing decisions. There aren't many breweries that are both large and independent. With the exception of Coopers, it seems that once they reach a mainstream audience the big companies come in to buy, and I do wonder if there is a compromise available for someone like me who wants to support the smaller players, but doesn't want to punish a brewery that capitalises on success (selling out). I see there being a distinction between the Asahi takeover of Mountain Goat where they own it but nothing else seems to have changed, compared to say Matilda Bay that was bought out and doesn't seem to have much of a connection to their history and is just another option from the main players with a different label on the front (IMO). Youve really just got to do your homework and decide based on ethics v flavour but you will almost always find the independent ones will be far better quality. I've had many mates taste Moo Brew's Single Hop in the last few days. When I initially tasted it I thought it was mediocre. It has really grown on me. In the 15 or so tasters I've been with over Christmas the reaction has been they like it or they don't . It has a strong citrus flavour. I'd contend that it is a far better beer than you've rated it so far and that it doesn't agree with your subjective taste buds. Drinkers who've grown up on European beers, American craft beers and various other Aussie beers have often been blown out by it. Others really don't like it. The points of reference I have with you are Exit, Fortitude and Stone and Wood, all breweries which I like. Many who've drunk these beers prefer Moo Brew's Single Hop to any beer produced by any of these breweries. Single Hop may have improved since you last tried it. Many local brewers, competing with each other for flavour, are constantly fine tuning what they produce. Almost every week there are new beers which are raising the bar in Tassie. For example my two favourite pale ales a year ago, have been blown out of the water by many new ones, constantly evolving, in just a year. Currently my favourites are Last Rites' Pale Ale, Morrison's Pale Ale, Hobart Brewing Company Double IPA and Shambles Double IPA. I don't understand what you mean by blown out by it? Id just say that there are better options if your going for a single hop/single malt. And don't get me wrong when i say it is mediocre, this is in regard to craft beer not to beer entirely, id rather drink it to any megaswill. It just didn't challenge me. I've had 400+ new beers this year and it would be in my bottom 100. I also don't doubt tassie brewers are doing well but we just don't get them on the mainland very often, and trust me if i can get down that's next year i will be drinking alot of it. I just did our quick run to dubbo and had to drink absolute garbage, luckily i took stuff from home for when we weren't at the pub! How much beer to you drink a week, Scubaroo? What do you weigh? I walk for an hour a day and do a further hour in the gym to negate the beer effect. LOL!
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+x+x+xI know there's a heap of breweries I can support without much problem that are independently owned, although most of my beer drinking is at pubs and in pints so I'm usually limited to Coopers. I'm mostly curious about the forum perception on local vs. multinational ownership and how or if it influences purchasing decisions. There aren't many breweries that are both large and independent. With the exception of Coopers, it seems that once they reach a mainstream audience the big companies come in to buy, and I do wonder if there is a compromise available for someone like me who wants to support the smaller players, but doesn't want to punish a brewery that capitalises on success (selling out). I see there being a distinction between the Asahi takeover of Mountain Goat where they own it but nothing else seems to have changed, compared to say Matilda Bay that was bought out and doesn't seem to have much of a connection to their history and is just another option from the main players with a different label on the front (IMO). Youve really just got to do your homework and decide based on ethics v flavour but you will almost always find the independent ones will be far better quality. I've had many mates taste Moo Brew's Single Hop in the last few days. When I initially tasted it I thought it was mediocre. It has really grown on me. In the 15 or so tasters I've been with over Christmas the reaction has been they like it or they don't . It has a strong citrus flavour. I'd contend that it is a far better beer than you've rated it so far and that it doesn't agree with your subjective taste buds. Drinkers who've grown up on European beers, American craft beers and various other Aussie beers have often been blown out by it. Others really don't like it. The points of reference I have with you are Exit, Fortitude and Stone and Wood, all breweries which I like. Many who've drunk these beers prefer Moo Brew's Single Hop to any beer produced by any of these breweries. Single Hop may have improved since you last tried it. Many local brewers, competing with each other for flavour, are constantly fine tuning what they produce. Almost every week there are new beers which are raising the bar in Tassie. For example my two favourite pale ales a year ago, have been blown out of the water by many new ones, constantly evolving, in just a year. Currently my favourites are Last Rites' Pale Ale, Morrison's Pale Ale, Hobart Brewing Company Double IPA and Shambles Double IPA. I don't understand what you mean by blown out by it? Id just say that there are better options if your going for a single hop/single malt. And don't get me wrong when i say it is mediocre, this is in regard to craft beer not to beer entirely, id rather drink it to any megaswill. It just didn't challenge me. I've had 400+ new beers this year and it would be in my bottom 100. I also don't doubt tassie brewers are doing well but we just don't get them on the mainland very often, and trust me if i can get down that's next year i will be drinking alot of it. I just did our quick run to dubbo and had to drink absolute garbage, luckily i took stuff from home for when we weren't at the pub!
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Someone posted wanting to know about other alcohol than beer.
I'll give a run down of Tassie pinot noirs when I have more time.
This is a grape where there are only four ideal places to grow it in the world - France, NZ, Oregon and Tassie.
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Fair enough and thanks for the reply.
The sneaky faux boutique labels are an absolute pain in the arse
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+x+xI know there's a heap of breweries I can support without much problem that are independently owned, although most of my beer drinking is at pubs and in pints so I'm usually limited to Coopers. I'm mostly curious about the forum perception on local vs. multinational ownership and how or if it influences purchasing decisions. There aren't many breweries that are both large and independent. With the exception of Coopers, it seems that once they reach a mainstream audience the big companies come in to buy, and I do wonder if there is a compromise available for someone like me who wants to support the smaller players, but doesn't want to punish a brewery that capitalises on success (selling out). I see there being a distinction between the Asahi takeover of Mountain Goat where they own it but nothing else seems to have changed, compared to say Matilda Bay that was bought out and doesn't seem to have much of a connection to their history and is just another option from the main players with a different label on the front (IMO). Youve really just got to do your homework and decide based on ethics v flavour but you will almost always find the independent ones will be far better quality. I've had many mates taste Moo Brew's Single Hop in the last few days. When I initially tasted it I thought it was mediocre. It has really grown on me. In the 15 or so tasters I've been with over Christmas the reaction has been they like it or they don't . It has a strong citrus flavour. I'd contend that it is a far better beer than you've rated it so far and that it doesn't agree with your subjective taste buds. Drinkers who've grown up on European beers, American craft beers and various other Aussie beers have often been blown out by it. Others really don't like it. The points of reference I have with you are Exit, Fortitude and Stone and Wood, all breweries which I like. Many who've drunk these beers prefer Moo Brew's Single Hop to any beer produced by any of these breweries. Single Hop may have improved since you last tried it. Many local brewers, competing with each other for flavour, are constantly fine tuning what they produce. Almost every week there are new beers which are raising the bar in Tassie. For example my two favourite pale ales a year ago, have been blown out of the water by many new ones, constantly evolving, in just a year. Currently my favourites are Last Rites' Pale Ale, Morrison's Pale Ale, Hobart Brewing Company Double IPA and Shambles Double IPA.
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After having Australia's lowest per capita per head of craft breweries, Tasmania now has more craft breweries per capita head than anywhere else in Oz.
In Hobart, many within walking distance off each other, we now have Fox Friday, Shambles, Captain Bligh, T Bone, The Winston, Hobart Brewing Company, Devil's Brewery, Moo Brew, Last Rites, Spotty Dog and Double Head. They exist in a city of only 200 000!
I've had visitors from Byron Bay in the last few days. They've drunk a lot of their local brewery Stone and Wood's Pacific Ale and Jasper Ale. These are two pretty decent beers that are a reference point for many reading this.
The BB visitors been blown out by the quality of local beer from most of these Hobart breweries.
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+xI know there's a heap of breweries I can support without much problem that are independently owned, although most of my beer drinking is at pubs and in pints so I'm usually limited to Coopers. I'm mostly curious about the forum perception on local vs. multinational ownership and how or if it influences purchasing decisions. There aren't many breweries that are both large and independent. With the exception of Coopers, it seems that once they reach a mainstream audience the big companies come in to buy, and I do wonder if there is a compromise available for someone like me who wants to support the smaller players, but doesn't want to punish a brewery that capitalises on success (selling out). I see there being a distinction between the Asahi takeover of Mountain Goat where they own it but nothing else seems to have changed, compared to say Matilda Bay that was bought out and doesn't seem to have much of a connection to their history and is just another option from the main players with a different label on the front (IMO). I guess you've got to look into each case on its own merits. Matilda Bay was a pioneer but they sold out years ago, even though after that they started brewing fat yak which was a breakthrough beer in australian craft beer. The issue with fat yak, they changed the recipe around 4-5 years. It was the last remnants of matilda bay being a craft brewer and turning into just another beer made at basically any brewery in Australia. Mountain goat is still run daily by the original guys and they still put out things that may not appeal to the masses. Im not really an expert on the ethics, i steer clear of the supermarket beers (steamrail etc) and the sneaky ones like yenda which is a huge cover, looks everything like a small brewer but its owned by coca cola. However I'm a hypocrit as i love ballast point but they've been bought out and basically all control was relinquished but they are pumping out great beers. Youve really just got to do your homework and decide based on ethics v flavour but you will almost always find the independent ones will be far better quality.
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I know there's a heap of breweries I can support without much problem that are independently owned, although most of my beer drinking is at pubs and in pints so I'm usually limited to Coopers. I'm mostly curious about the forum perception on local vs. multinational ownership and how or if it influences purchasing decisions.
There aren't many breweries that are both large and independent. With the exception of Coopers, it seems that once they reach a mainstream audience the big companies come in to buy, and I do wonder if there is a compromise available for someone like me who wants to support the smaller players, but doesn't want to punish a brewery that capitalises on success (selling out).
I see there being a distinction between the Asahi takeover of Mountain Goat where they own it but nothing else seems to have changed, compared to say Matilda Bay that was bought out and doesn't seem to have much of a connection to their history and is just another option from the main players with a different label on the front (IMO).
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+xIs this thread for beer only or at least mostly? Haven't read all of it but the last few pages suggest it.Curious on the forum's thoughts on Mountain Goat as a craft brewery and as an ethical purchase.By this I mean supporting local breweries. I try my best to buy Aussie beers and I'm conflicted when it comes to Mountain Goat and their foreign ownership, as for whatever reason I still consider them local and don't want to begrudge them their success. I don't know too much about the takeover, i think the original owners still run everything but they are just financially backed by kirin, they've even hung shit on kirin by producing a beer with japanese labels. (I personally think their core rang of beers is fairly average, but was excellent 7-8 years ago when they really took off) As another point, brewdog (scotland) are inmensely independent and they made a collaborative beer with ballast point (california) a few years ago but then ballast point sold out to one of the big brewers (inbev or whatev) and since then have been hanging shit on them with beer release and media reports. I guess if you don't want to get mountain goat cause of kirin, theres probably 40 brewers in victoria that are better and more independent.
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Is this thread for beer only or at least mostly? Haven't read all of it but the last few pages suggest it.
Curious on the forum's thoughts on Mountain Goat as a craft brewery and as an ethical purchase.
By this I mean supporting local breweries. I try my best to buy Aussie beers and I'm conflicted when it comes to Mountain Goat and their foreign ownership, as for whatever reason I still consider them local and don't want to begrudge them their success.
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+xSummer beer recommendations? Where are you located? Is a big issue when choosing good beer and also the style, there are so many options. Just some recent ones I've had the past week or two, that are fairly easy drinkers Kaiju - kaiju krush... is a tropical pale that is fantastic to smash on a summer day. Woolshed - summer ale is a ripping kolsch style beer that i found quite enjoyable Stone - go to i.p.a is a good option for something a little hoppier whilst still sinking a 6er... Moondog - beer can Brewdog - dead pony The big thing this Sumner for craft is the mid strength summer can.... though they vary in abv they are a beer that's got flavour but you could sit in the sun and have a dozen no worries. So many options!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSomeone here rated the Moo Brew Single Hop as mediocre. I'd have to disagree. I've just had it on tap in the last few days. It is a very fine beer, and original in style. Even better, was Moo Brew's Mid Strength, the new title holder of best light beer in Australia! I think it is best described as a pale ale style, but is even better than the Singe Hop. At 3.5 % one bar attendant at MONA said some punters repudiate it because of low alcohol content. I knocked 5 off in an hour and still drove under the limit. The Moo Brew Mid Strength ( on tap) blows Exit's Pale Ale at 3.5% ( on tap) out of the water! The other top lights are Tassie's Double Head Pilsener at 3.4 %. I don't like Pilsner as much as ales, but the Double Head Pilsener is exceptional quality at 3.4% alcohol content. Outside Moo Brew Pilsener, a frequent Aussie first prize winner, no other full strength Pilsener comes close in quality to Double Head Pilsener at only 3.4%. Queensland brewery, Fortitude, also do a fabulous light pale ale, Pacer, with a citrus flavour at 2.8%. I cannot believe that Fortitude can brew such excellent beer at only 2.8% alcohol content! It is so good, some quality beers at full strength that I sample regularly were shown up by this wonderful light beer. That would be me, i found the single hop far too bland and its probably going to be the last form of packaged moo brew on the mainland as stock is struggling to move in Melbourne, their range was good about 6 years ago but has been surpassed by far better brewers. On tap Single Hop is not bland at all. I have not tried it in the bottle/can though, but Moo Brew often go close to replicating the quality of their tap beer in the bottle. In the case of Belgian beers like Chimay, Grindbergen and Leffe, one cannot tell the difference between the bottled beer and tap beer. It is an interesting question you pose. Is Moo Brew treading water and have other beers improved? Or is Moo Brew more mass produced and losing quality? Recently I tasted bottle of Moo Brew Pale Ale in the bottle and it was underwhelming. Ditto Fat Yak from Matilda Bay. I've had much better pale ales recently. On the other hand I like the new Wild Yak, a passionfruit style beer that is pretty decent from Matilda Bay. The reference point we have is the two breweries you mention in your Aussie best list, Exit and Fortitude, have both brewed two very, very good beers I've drunk. I take my hat off to Exit Pale ( mid strength ) at 3.5% and Fortitude's Pacer, 2.8% pale ale. A few Tasmanian breweries that are mind blowingly good on tap are Double Head, Seven Sheds, Hobart Brewing Company, Captain Bligh ( probably only their fabulous Huffcap Stout), Shambles, Ironhouse (often rubbish in the bottle, with a mediocre pilsener), Fox Friday, Morrison's and Last Rites. Some of these breweries don't produce bottled beer yet. In the bottle, Last Rites, Fox Friday, Seven Sheds, Little Rivers, Bruny Island Brewing and Morrison's, produce excellent beer over the majority of the range of what they brew. Although in Morrison's case, their Irish Stout is very ordinary compared to their Red Ale, English Bitters and Pale Ale. I know what I'm talking about because I've drunk beer in a lot of countries. These Tassie beers are up there with well known European beers, Chimay, Betty Stoggs, William Worthington, Weistephaner, East Street, Hoegarden, Bellhaven, Grindbergen, Paalaner, Ratz, Schoffenschoffer, Franziskaaner, a fabulous Portuguese one whose name I cannot remember beginning with L, the single best craft beers in both of Greece and Italy whose names I can not remember either, Tribute, Praks, Leffe and Samuel Smith. Tasmania now has the highest number of craft breweries per capita head of population in Australia. I thought the high quality tapwater and spring water gave it a decided advantage. However, local brewers tell me that they double treat and triple treat water so it doesn't matter as much. The tap water in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane is absolute chemical rubbish compared to the Hobart water supply. The good news is that those craft breweries that have regular distribution centres for most days of the week are finding it a licence to print money! There are so many Aussie breweries now, it is impossible to print a best list, because there are so many new breweries opening daily. It is impossible to keep abreast of all breweries range of beers from around the country. On other beer news i just spent another pay check on stock piling more amazing stuff for Christmas and new years. Were doing a little road trip from Melbourne to dubbo as the wife has never been and i lived there when i was younger... i can tell you that is a beer wasteland and i am not looking forward to drinking tooheys... or vb. There's a 'Beer Deulxe' and a brewery bar by the name of the 'Thirsty Crow' in Wagga Wagga if you're travelling through that way. Both worth stopping at for a shifty pint. I did contemplate going through wagga wagga but we opted for nerandera so we're actually staying the night there both ways. Dubbo seem to have one bar that might be decent if i have time. http://www.barellanbeer.com.au/https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=barrellan%20beer30 minutes from Narrandera. If nothing else it's a not-for-profit concern. or give this mob a go at Yenda. Just up the road from Barellan. https://australianbeerco.com.au/whats-happening/https://www.facebook.com/Yendabeer/Beautiful countryside if it's green.
Definitely won't give my money to yenda... their beer is standard big business trying to flog off as if it is craft... yenda is a coca-cola company. I had seen the barellan stuff whilst looking for good beer on the trip. Not sure if it is enticing enough though. We don't have a heap of time on the trip so i probably should be chasing beer the whole trip. I've been using a beer app called nowtapped where i it shows you what on tap around, either officially by the venue or punters can post what the bar had on tap when they are there, really good for finding good beer on tap around you... sucks though geelong has a growing craft brewery scene but doesnt seem the be catching on in the city, the pubs want nothing to do with it.... taking a look at our trip up to dubbo... it is really pour (ha see what i did there) but in the cities its a great little app. Very often used along with untappd when i remember to use it I share your low opinion of yenda, matilda bay and squires. Never understood the appeal of moo brew. Either the bottle looks nice, or it was around before good beer was made in Australia?. Moo brew rode the first wave of new craft beer, along with mountain goat, bridge road etc... they just didn't kick on like the others, i think the single hop cans was their last ditch attack on the mainland. You might be bang on the money with this comment. One stakeholder within the organisation, told me they needed to lift their game. You might disagree with me, but in their Belgo, Single Hop and new Mid Strength, these are better beers. Belgo is unique and distinctive. People like it, or they don't. One taste I'm not currently liking, is the initially sweetish pale ale and IPA taste, with a bitter finish. The likes of WA's Sail and Anchor, Little Rivers and Moo Brew pales taste like this to my palate. Having said this, many others love this quality. Sail and anchor is another supermarket beer. Steer clear... not sure on little rivers. If you are into that belgian style without getting too far into it... brewcult do an excellent intro to it with their "cant fight the funk" its a farmhouse style pale with the yeast doing alot of the work. Its a fantastic beer and even more... boatrocker is amazing... you can obviously go for the usual ones from Belgium too. Lagunitas do some great stuff, copped alot of flack for selling out but always do good stuff. They have many other beers I like - Kolsch, Golden Ale, Hoppy Lager, Dorset Lager, Brown Ale, Dam Busters (light). Little Rivers is a very small craft brewery in Scottsdale, NE Tas.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSomeone here rated the Moo Brew Single Hop as mediocre. I'd have to disagree. I've just had it on tap in the last few days. It is a very fine beer, and original in style. Even better, was Moo Brew's Mid Strength, the new title holder of best light beer in Australia! I think it is best described as a pale ale style, but is even better than the Singe Hop. At 3.5 % one bar attendant at MONA said some punters repudiate it because of low alcohol content. I knocked 5 off in an hour and still drove under the limit. The Moo Brew Mid Strength ( on tap) blows Exit's Pale Ale at 3.5% ( on tap) out of the water! The other top lights are Tassie's Double Head Pilsener at 3.4 %. I don't like Pilsner as much as ales, but the Double Head Pilsener is exceptional quality at 3.4% alcohol content. Outside Moo Brew Pilsener, a frequent Aussie first prize winner, no other full strength Pilsener comes close in quality to Double Head Pilsener at only 3.4%. Queensland brewery, Fortitude, also do a fabulous light pale ale, Pacer, with a citrus flavour at 2.8%. I cannot believe that Fortitude can brew such excellent beer at only 2.8% alcohol content! It is so good, some quality beers at full strength that I sample regularly were shown up by this wonderful light beer. That would be me, i found the single hop far too bland and its probably going to be the last form of packaged moo brew on the mainland as stock is struggling to move in Melbourne, their range was good about 6 years ago but has been surpassed by far better brewers. On tap Single Hop is not bland at all. I have not tried it in the bottle/can though, but Moo Brew often go close to replicating the quality of their tap beer in the bottle. In the case of Belgian beers like Chimay, Grindbergen and Leffe, one cannot tell the difference between the bottled beer and tap beer. It is an interesting question you pose. Is Moo Brew treading water and have other beers improved? Or is Moo Brew more mass produced and losing quality? Recently I tasted bottle of Moo Brew Pale Ale in the bottle and it was underwhelming. Ditto Fat Yak from Matilda Bay. I've had much better pale ales recently. On the other hand I like the new Wild Yak, a passionfruit style beer that is pretty decent from Matilda Bay. The reference point we have is the two breweries you mention in your Aussie best list, Exit and Fortitude, have both brewed two very, very good beers I've drunk. I take my hat off to Exit Pale ( mid strength ) at 3.5% and Fortitude's Pacer, 2.8% pale ale. A few Tasmanian breweries that are mind blowingly good on tap are Double Head, Seven Sheds, Hobart Brewing Company, Captain Bligh ( probably only their fabulous Huffcap Stout), Shambles, Ironhouse (often rubbish in the bottle, with a mediocre pilsener), Fox Friday, Morrison's and Last Rites. Some of these breweries don't produce bottled beer yet. In the bottle, Last Rites, Fox Friday, Seven Sheds, Little Rivers, Bruny Island Brewing and Morrison's, produce excellent beer over the majority of the range of what they brew. Although in Morrison's case, their Irish Stout is very ordinary compared to their Red Ale, English Bitters and Pale Ale. I know what I'm talking about because I've drunk beer in a lot of countries. These Tassie beers are up there with well known European beers, Chimay, Betty Stoggs, William Worthington, Weistephaner, East Street, Hoegarden, Bellhaven, Grindbergen, Paalaner, Ratz, Schoffenschoffer, Franziskaaner, a fabulous Portuguese one whose name I cannot remember beginning with L, the single best craft beers in both of Greece and Italy whose names I can not remember either, Tribute, Praks, Leffe and Samuel Smith. Tasmania now has the highest number of craft breweries per capita head of population in Australia. I thought the high quality tapwater and spring water gave it a decided advantage. However, local brewers tell me that they double treat and triple treat water so it doesn't matter as much. The tap water in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane is absolute chemical rubbish compared to the Hobart water supply. The good news is that those craft breweries that have regular distribution centres for most days of the week are finding it a licence to print money! There are so many Aussie breweries now, it is impossible to print a best list, because there are so many new breweries opening daily. It is impossible to keep abreast of all breweries range of beers from around the country. On other beer news i just spent another pay check on stock piling more amazing stuff for Christmas and new years. Were doing a little road trip from Melbourne to dubbo as the wife has never been and i lived there when i was younger... i can tell you that is a beer wasteland and i am not looking forward to drinking tooheys... or vb. There's a 'Beer Deulxe' and a brewery bar by the name of the 'Thirsty Crow' in Wagga Wagga if you're travelling through that way. Both worth stopping at for a shifty pint. I did contemplate going through wagga wagga but we opted for nerandera so we're actually staying the night there both ways. Dubbo seem to have one bar that might be decent if i have time. http://www.barellanbeer.com.au/https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=barrellan%20beer30 minutes from Narrandera. If nothing else it's a not-for-profit concern. or give this mob a go at Yenda. Just up the road from Barellan. https://australianbeerco.com.au/whats-happening/https://www.facebook.com/Yendabeer/Beautiful countryside if it's green.
Definitely won't give my money to yenda... their beer is standard big business trying to flog off as if it is craft... yenda is a coca-cola company. I had seen the barellan stuff whilst looking for good beer on the trip. Not sure if it is enticing enough though. We don't have a heap of time on the trip so i probably should be chasing beer the whole trip. I've been using a beer app called nowtapped where i it shows you what on tap around, either officially by the venue or punters can post what the bar had on tap when they are there, really good for finding good beer on tap around you... sucks though geelong has a growing craft brewery scene but doesnt seem the be catching on in the city, the pubs want nothing to do with it.... taking a look at our trip up to dubbo... it is really pour (ha see what i did there) but in the cities its a great little app. Very often used along with untappd when i remember to use it I share your low opinion of yenda, matilda bay and squires. Never understood the appeal of moo brew. Either the bottle looks nice, or it was around before good beer was made in Australia?. Moo brew rode the first wave of new craft beer, along with mountain goat, bridge road etc... they just didn't kick on like the others, i think the single hop cans was their last ditch attack on the mainland. You might be bang on the money with this comment. One stakeholder within the organisation, told me they needed to lift their game. You might disagree with me, but in their Belgo, Single Hop and new Mid Strength, these are better beers. Belgo is unique and distinctive. People like it, or they don't. One taste I'm not currently liking, is the initially sweetish pale ale and IPA taste, with a bitter finish. The likes of WA's Sail and Anchor, Little Rivers and Moo Brew pales taste like this to my palate. Having said this, many others love this quality. Sail and anchor is another supermarket beer. Steer clear... not sure on little rivers. If you are into that belgian style without getting too far into it... brewcult do an excellent intro to it with their "cant fight the funk" its a farmhouse style pale with the yeast doing alot of the work. Its a fantastic beer and even more... boatrocker is amazing... you can obviously go for the usual ones from Belgium too. Lagunitas do some great stuff, copped alot of flack for selling out but always do good stuff.
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+xBack on the 8.2%, good stuff  Most American pales I've tasted have been fabulous.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSomeone here rated the Moo Brew Single Hop as mediocre. I'd have to disagree. I've just had it on tap in the last few days. It is a very fine beer, and original in style. Even better, was Moo Brew's Mid Strength, the new title holder of best light beer in Australia! I think it is best described as a pale ale style, but is even better than the Singe Hop. At 3.5 % one bar attendant at MONA said some punters repudiate it because of low alcohol content. I knocked 5 off in an hour and still drove under the limit. The Moo Brew Mid Strength ( on tap) blows Exit's Pale Ale at 3.5% ( on tap) out of the water! The other top lights are Tassie's Double Head Pilsener at 3.4 %. I don't like Pilsner as much as ales, but the Double Head Pilsener is exceptional quality at 3.4% alcohol content. Outside Moo Brew Pilsener, a frequent Aussie first prize winner, no other full strength Pilsener comes close in quality to Double Head Pilsener at only 3.4%. Queensland brewery, Fortitude, also do a fabulous light pale ale, Pacer, with a citrus flavour at 2.8%. I cannot believe that Fortitude can brew such excellent beer at only 2.8% alcohol content! It is so good, some quality beers at full strength that I sample regularly were shown up by this wonderful light beer. That would be me, i found the single hop far too bland and its probably going to be the last form of packaged moo brew on the mainland as stock is struggling to move in Melbourne, their range was good about 6 years ago but has been surpassed by far better brewers. On tap Single Hop is not bland at all. I have not tried it in the bottle/can though, but Moo Brew often go close to replicating the quality of their tap beer in the bottle. In the case of Belgian beers like Chimay, Grindbergen and Leffe, one cannot tell the difference between the bottled beer and tap beer. It is an interesting question you pose. Is Moo Brew treading water and have other beers improved? Or is Moo Brew more mass produced and losing quality? Recently I tasted bottle of Moo Brew Pale Ale in the bottle and it was underwhelming. Ditto Fat Yak from Matilda Bay. I've had much better pale ales recently. On the other hand I like the new Wild Yak, a passionfruit style beer that is pretty decent from Matilda Bay. The reference point we have is the two breweries you mention in your Aussie best list, Exit and Fortitude, have both brewed two very, very good beers I've drunk. I take my hat off to Exit Pale ( mid strength ) at 3.5% and Fortitude's Pacer, 2.8% pale ale. A few Tasmanian breweries that are mind blowingly good on tap are Double Head, Seven Sheds, Hobart Brewing Company, Captain Bligh ( probably only their fabulous Huffcap Stout), Shambles, Ironhouse (often rubbish in the bottle, with a mediocre pilsener), Fox Friday, Morrison's and Last Rites. Some of these breweries don't produce bottled beer yet. In the bottle, Last Rites, Fox Friday, Seven Sheds, Little Rivers, Bruny Island Brewing and Morrison's, produce excellent beer over the majority of the range of what they brew. Although in Morrison's case, their Irish Stout is very ordinary compared to their Red Ale, English Bitters and Pale Ale. I know what I'm talking about because I've drunk beer in a lot of countries. These Tassie beers are up there with well known European beers, Chimay, Betty Stoggs, William Worthington, Weistephaner, East Street, Hoegarden, Bellhaven, Grindbergen, Paalaner, Ratz, Schoffenschoffer, Franziskaaner, a fabulous Portuguese one whose name I cannot remember beginning with L, the single best craft beers in both of Greece and Italy whose names I can not remember either, Tribute, Praks, Leffe and Samuel Smith. Tasmania now has the highest number of craft breweries per capita head of population in Australia. I thought the high quality tapwater and spring water gave it a decided advantage. However, local brewers tell me that they double treat and triple treat water so it doesn't matter as much. The tap water in Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane is absolute chemical rubbish compared to the Hobart water supply. The good news is that those craft breweries that have regular distribution centres for most days of the week are finding it a licence to print money! There are so many Aussie breweries now, it is impossible to print a best list, because there are so many new breweries opening daily. It is impossible to keep abreast of all breweries range of beers from around the country. On other beer news i just spent another pay check on stock piling more amazing stuff for Christmas and new years. Were doing a little road trip from Melbourne to dubbo as the wife has never been and i lived there when i was younger... i can tell you that is a beer wasteland and i am not looking forward to drinking tooheys... or vb. There's a 'Beer Deulxe' and a brewery bar by the name of the 'Thirsty Crow' in Wagga Wagga if you're travelling through that way. Both worth stopping at for a shifty pint. I did contemplate going through wagga wagga but we opted for nerandera so we're actually staying the night there both ways. Dubbo seem to have one bar that might be decent if i have time. http://www.barellanbeer.com.au/https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=barrellan%20beer30 minutes from Narrandera. If nothing else it's a not-for-profit concern. or give this mob a go at Yenda. Just up the road from Barellan. https://australianbeerco.com.au/whats-happening/https://www.facebook.com/Yendabeer/Beautiful countryside if it's green.
Definitely won't give my money to yenda... their beer is standard big business trying to flog off as if it is craft... yenda is a coca-cola company. I had seen the barellan stuff whilst looking for good beer on the trip. Not sure if it is enticing enough though. We don't have a heap of time on the trip so i probably should be chasing beer the whole trip. I've been using a beer app called nowtapped where i it shows you what on tap around, either officially by the venue or punters can post what the bar had on tap when they are there, really good for finding good beer on tap around you... sucks though geelong has a growing craft brewery scene but doesnt seem the be catching on in the city, the pubs want nothing to do with it.... taking a look at our trip up to dubbo... it is really pour (ha see what i did there) but in the cities its a great little app. Very often used along with untappd when i remember to use it I share your low opinion of yenda, matilda bay and squires. Never understood the appeal of moo brew. Either the bottle looks nice, or it was around before good beer was made in Australia?. Moo brew rode the first wave of new craft beer, along with mountain goat, bridge road etc... they just didn't kick on like the others, i think the single hop cans was their last ditch attack on the mainland. You might be bang on the money with this comment. One stakeholder within the organisation, told me they needed to lift their game. You might disagree with me, but in their Belgo, Single Hop and new Mid Strength, these are better beers. Belgo is unique and distinctive. People like it, or they don't. One taste I'm not currently liking, is the initially sweetish pale ale and IPA taste, with a bitter finish. The likes of WA's Sail and Anchor, Little Rivers and Moo Brew pales taste like this to my palate. Having said this, many others love this quality.
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Back on the 8.2%, good stuff
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+xYesterday had a couple Great Northern Super Crisp and man they were easy to sink down. Haven't even bothered to research alcohol content etc but they must be mid-strength or close to it. Super light, summery style beer and not the worst ever. Would drink again. Well that went downhill quick. Haha just kidding.
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