no real surprise there, we all expected that to happen realistically. regarding in Carle missing out that is.


What do you think about the FourFourTwo article Carle Axed From Roos WC Squad?
TOMMY Oar and James Holland are on the plane to South Africa in the Socceroos World Cup squad - but Nicky Carle failed to make the grade and has been axed by Pim Verbeek.

Have your say.

bet you fucken Holman the wanker gets a seat on the plane.
Carle is a much better player and would of offered us a better attacking option off the bench

I just don't get it!

The squad of 31 had 4 technically gifted play-makers: Kewell, Culina, Bresciano and Carle.

Players who can do the unexpected; the pass that cuts through the most disciplined defence.

What is it about Nicky Carle - that I don't see - and makes managers overlook him???

well that settles it, Carles going to sydney. Dumb decision to axe Mcdonald. sure he ahsnt scored any goals at int level but its a bit hard when hes only 5ft 7 and he hvaing the ball played in the air to him. Fuck this formation! We barely have any striekrs as it is and he cuts another. Carle getting cut ahead of holland who has been playing az ressies all season is bullshit. I dont care if hes young and hes in it for the exp its just bullshit. North i expected to go, but i was expecting the 3 to be north holland and lowry.

Feel sorry for Carle never given a fair go the lad.

Cue Jesse Fink meltdown in 3-2-........

Its like Verbeek just doesnt care anymore. Sure youre leaving after the world cup mate, but we actually want to do well in it

Carle is a one trick pony. He has done stuff all in an Australian shirt, and he has done stuff all at club level other than having a good run at Newcastle where the league was fairly shit at the time anyway.

It's not enough just to be gifted anymore. You actually have to kick on and do something with that gift, and keep working hard at maintaining form.

Edited by notorganic: 25/5/2010 03:13:44 PM

what the FUCK?!

I've lost complete faith in Pim. He takes JAMES HOLLAND (who i love) over Nicky Carle? Fuck giving youth experience this is the world cup it's not the time to be giving youth "experience" it's about taking our best players.

FUCKING BULLSHIT.

Holland, Oar and perhaps Lowry will be in the 4 that travel but don't end up playing. He's not going to make experienced players like Carle and Macdonald go to South Africa to do nothing, they would prefer a holiday. Then their is likely a 4th who is genuinly their in case their is an injury.

Can't believe how many strikers we are taking.. It's like hes not even trying to hide the fact that we arn't going to score goals.

OK, he decided to bring James Holland? Seriously? I can understand bringing Brett Holman, but James Holland? Over Carle or McDonald? Unbelievable.

Jesse should be happy. Carle is coming to Sydney, and he's always very well dressed.

I'm just wondering what would have happened if Carle had come on for the last 5 mins and scored that goal instead of Holman...

So now MacDonald can continue to not score goals for Australia without us having to worry about his accommodation and transport in South Africa.

I guess this shows that if we go behind we won't be pushing two strikers up forward.

Edited by Hawks: 25/5/2010 03:18:51 PM

mcdonald not going gives me confidence that harry is going to be right to go.

the bias towards dutch based players is amazing....holman has had the preferential treatment the whole time despite not being anywhere near the player carle is......james holland in there because he plays ressies for a dutch team when other youngsters such as kilkenny, wesolowski, nathan burns etc. have been doing great guns for their first teams and can't get a look in.

on a more positive note (yes - sarcasm) we have 85 defensive midfielders in the squad.....grella, culina, valeri, jedinak, wilkshire, williams, emerton are all strong in this position (anyone think this is overkill)....oh and holland believes this is his strongest position too

very, very surprised about scotty mac. we are extremely thin up front.....if jesus gets injured and harry is still under a cloud then I am worried....ruka has pace but isn't really a strong/skilful target man.

Are you surprised?

All our goals come from Midfield or the occasional Kennedy fluke anyway. I'm not really sure why people are losing their shit over this like it's the biggest shock in the world.

We know what type of manager Pim is. We know what style and formation he plays. We know the type of players he likes.

I was way more surprised with the colour of my belly-button lint this morning.

Was it yellow? Because mine was.

scotty mac would have been bullied by our opponents at the world cup as well as nicky carle as for jade north ? the fact remains our opponents are physically strong and we all know scotty mac and nicky carle would struggle against big strong opponents.

can't believe carle missed out ... i rate him highly, heck if i was manager i would even try and fit him in the starting line up somewhere!

No your right, now were locked into a system that doesn't work for us with no back up plan. He may not have scored for us yet but you can't argue with the fact that the lad knows where the goal is at club level. Add to that he's experience and the fact that it is probably only a matter of time before he actually starts putting them away.

I have faith in him and would like to see the coach have some as well.

I'm not surprised, a little bit about Scott not going maybe.
I thought even thou he hasn't scored he did play well last night considering, and against the Irish i thought he played well without scoring.

It is exactly for that reason that I thank fuck that you're not the Socceroos manager.

totally spot on thebender, totally spot on. Why do we have so many DM? Like WTF? Nathan Burns is doing alright as of late. He scored a few goals for his Greek first team. And yet he gets omitted for a guy named Holland who plays reserves and zero first team games. Unbelievable.

By the way how many goalies??.... Four! what the fuck.

Speaking of DM's, I hope Grella is there to shine boots, because out of ALL our DM options, he is the worst by a country mile.

Second best centreforward might be Chippers. Agree about the 85 DMs! But also needs backups for the walking wounded. Lowry for Williams, Oar/Ruka for Kewell. Goalkeepers for Schwarz.

walnuts you're a fool. You don't know the socceroos. Just because Grella played a horrible game last night and did a really bad foul on another player, doesn't make him our worse DM. He IS our best DM. Better than culina, valeri, wilkshire and flipping James Holland!

He's taking 28... Galekovic is going in case if Jones, Federici or Schwarz gets an injury before the final deadline for the squad announcement

I have to admit, your tears taste pretty darn sweet. :cool:

no i don't think so... i reckon he's very over-rated for mine, would rather have Wilkshire in the centre of midfield with Culina and have Emo and Chippers as the fullbacks

i do not know what some of you are whinging about? scotty mac has had enough chances at international level as for carle all who say he is a one trick pony you are right. just heard why pim left scotty & nicky out too many competing for the same spots and besides scotty mac just has no confidence infront goal and nicky carle just does not have the legs to play against our opposition at the world cup.

I'm not sure if I'd have Valeri or Culina, but that is exactly what I would have too.

Grella has not played a good game for the Socceroos since the 26th of June 2006.

billsky have you even watching him play in the championship? you're actually a massive plank.

What a joke.

He drops MacDonald after forcing him to play in a system that makes him completely impotent. A goal poacher like Scott MacDonald wil never win a physical battle with a good defender, yet he continues to play him. Seriously what does he expect?

Oh well looks like the likes of carle and Mcdonald are gonna have to wait till the asian cup to play in a tournament.

Well lets hope its an enjoyable 3 games at least.

i bet Danny Tiatto was laughing at the grella tackle. i like the squad good mix of youth and experience. no matter who was going all of us will have a view on who we think should or should not be going.

Why do you think he dropped him?

Yeah, it sucks. I feel for Scotty.

But that's Pim, eh? Anyone studying us will soon realise that we are set up to play one way and one way only. If we get in trouble, there's no backup plan (no, Ruka or Tommy Oar on the bench is not a backup plan).

Look on the bright side. It's worked so far, so it could keep working for a few more weeks...

If not, it's only four more years. Or maybe 32.

hey king yes i have and i will stand-by what i said, by the way who are you talking about

3 logical choices North no chance of 1st team, McDonald cant score to save himself and Nicky carle wouldnt even get a go at the WC so it would of been a waste if they all were picked!

Poor Scotty Mac, he's got no friends and nobody knows why. Maybe it's his haircut?

On a serious note, this is the weirdest fucking build-up to a World Cup ever. If the Socceroos come out and play Germany off the park in that first game I reckon half the nation is gonna have to be hospitalised with shock. We'll probably be down 2-0 with five minutes remaining, Kewell will come on with his groin strapped up like he's into BDSM and score a hatrick to win it.

We are fked.

End of story.

Also just play Kewell as striker Pim if he's fit!

Give me a statistical comparisson of Carle to Holman over the last two years including the qualifying campain and back your argument up with a critical analysis comparing the Dutch League and ECL to the Championship and I might start to listen to an idiot like you saying Carle is better than Holman.

=d>

Joke of a decision. With Harry not sure on fitness, you're taking a massive risk only taking Kennedy. Does he really rate Ruka higher?

Macca has played against some of the best defenders in the world and scored and is dropped. Hopeless from Pim.

From the @socceroos twitter account:

- Socceroos coach Pim Verbeek announced 28 players to go over to South Africa. 2 know they will not play. 3 others still to find out.
- Holland and Oar will be in South Africa to train but will not play.

Good decision from Pim. Carle is unproven at championship level and obviously has not impressed him during the squad training. McDonald looks unfit (i.e. fat) and bored half the time when he's playing for the Socceroos. He's had chances, fair enough to pull the pin on him.

We have plenty of striker options in the squad for the system we are using i.e. Kennedy, Kewell, Cahill, Chippers, Rukavytsya, Holman and Garcia.

Grella has been playing poorly for Blackburn and looked no better last night. I reckon Valeri and Jedinak have the inside running for his spot for the Denmark match, watch out in training boys!

Beauchamp looks the better option to Moore as well, Pim would have learnt alot last night.

Well, if the substitutions last night are any indication, we can probably assume that Jones and Federici have got the keeping spots sewn up, so Galekovic probably won't make the final cut.

Well, at least we will win one title this year, for the most boring team to watch at the World Cup. Seriously, 3 strikers, and one of them is a lifelong crock???? What happens when (not if) Kewell goes down injured and we are a goal down with 10 minutes to go- that's right, we bring on a bloody midfielder as we have no strikers on the bench.
Argentina are taking 6 strikers!!! We are screwed.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Only someone devoid of a feeling/understanding for the Game would request statistics.

Anyone, who has a feeling/understanding for the Game would simply watch Carle & Holman for 5 minutes and realise Carle is streets ahead of Holman in terms of football technique and tactical vision.

Holman wins the contest if comparing work rate.

I'd rather have a attacking midfielder, who has technique and vision, and occasionally is lazy; than Holman, who runs around like a greyhound but loses the ball more often than he effectively passes to a teammate.

Dario Vidosic is a back-up striker also. there are guys at the back that can play in the midfield.

Pim has axed a player who has scored against MILAN and MAN UTD in champions league. So Kewell does his groin during the World Cup . Just who is going up front to score goals PIM?????

We were already told that when the 31 man sqaud was named.

hey stryker why not CAHILL

Were we? :<

Haven't been been paying enough attention clearly :lol:

Not taking Scotty Mac is a joke. We are effectively taking two recognised strikers to the world cup.

Pim, you're an idiot.

I dont buy into this Carle wankfest either TBH...

I tend to agree wth you about Grella. I think a defensive midfield pairing of Wilkshire and Jedinak would work OK. They played very well together against Ireland in what was argubly Australia's most convincing performance under Pim. And Jedinak was excellent last night, brought a level of control which was lacking in the first half. Culina showed proof of why he shouldn't be in the middle, far more useful on the right.

Don't agree with the dropping of Carle. He at least offers something different from the rest, and I thought would have been far closer to selection than James Holland. Anyway, I think Holland will be one of the five cut from the 28 - along with Galekovic, Lowry, Garcia, and Oar. McDonald's game simply does not fit into Pim's plans, so he would have been a waste at the WC.

I throw my hat into the ring to take on the goalscoring mantle for the team :d

So in other words:

"Carle is bestest he is latin and they have the skillz and shit man and he iz like so much beter thn lolman becas he tryed a ribonna (sec Rabonna) against argentinaaaaaa"

Seriously Carle wanfest please tell me what is so good about a bench championship player. Prove to me why he brings more to the team than Holman.

Edited by Guest: 25/5/2010 03:59:44 PM

Absolutely agree. If Pim had swallowed his pride and played Macca and Jesus together we would have seen BOTH of them at their best. Good coaches adapt but I haven't seen Pim change his tactics by hell or high water for two and a half years.

At least if he wanted a striker besides Kennedy to play a solitary role he could have at least brought Griff into contention (who might I add is a proven player at that role).


+1 Couldn't have said it better myself

Eugene Galekovic, Shane Lowry, Richard Garcia, James Holland, Tommy Oar.
to miss the final cut

Which is what? Falling on his arse? Trying to do tricks and losing possesion. Sitting on the sideline and standing out of play?

The only thing he is better than Holman at is bench warming.

Sorry Pim, been a big fan of yours , but I don't get it, what about the hold ups he does the flicks!!!

why would pim pick Macca its illogical.

breciano, cahill, ruka, vidiosic, emerton, chipperfield, kennedy, kewell and maybe holman and garcia can all score goals.

Macca on the other hand has had 16 appearances and is yet to score and as people say he doesnt suit the australian way of playing under pim. SO why would he get picked? what makes people think they world cup is gonna be any different to the 16 games his already played?