Yep and replace us with yet another team that holds it hand out.FFA might consider it if there was no prospect of having to bail any new team out after a while.Im sure they also sell the NZ market to potential sponsors.Bad lucjk your stuck with us for another 5 years .

Notorganic can post what he wants, it's not bitter what he is saying, he is just expressing his point.

Carry on.

Italy, your sisters are filthy whores. so fuck off

I think its more the

-Inconsistency of that rule (if it was going to get called every game. we would get a dozen penalty kicks per game

-The fact he dived like a little bitch.

Also the "off side" .. im surprised there was so much media attention on it.. the Slovakian goal vs New Zealand was clearly offside. yet that got one replay and a "hmm that was offside" during the game..

The Italian players didnt even see it.. there was no questioning it at the time.. except in super slow mo and still people seem divided on it..


And lets be honest.. if this was Australia.. everybody would be blowing up and saying what bullshit the shirt pull etc was

Edited by moxstar: 22/6/2010 12:24:28 AM

Whats with all the bitter shit here ??

Smells of Jealousy.. this forum was not full of people laughing at 0-4 and saying how shit Australia was...

Edited by moxstar: 22/6/2010 12:21:23 AM

Really. I can't remember what thread it's in, though. I'd link you, it's hilarious.

Really

(I was being sarcastic, that's actually what he believes)

Yeah right

Being a professional footballer, my opinion is better than yours, SC03.

I am glad you got my point but now you are confusing me with Diego's Son.

I see we have the finest minds of the internet debating the issues at hand here.

Italy will go through courtesy of the finest magnets FIFA can buy.

If you watch the replay in slow motion, the rotation of the ball actually changes as it goes over Reid. Either Reid has his own gravitiational pull, or the ball made contact.

As for the blithering idiots debating Wellington Phoenix, take it to AF and shut up.

Regardless of an italian falling over... holding the shirt is a foul

Yep - if both games are draws with the same score then lots are drawn. Now THAT would be a heartbreaking way to go out of the cup.

Scoring goals has to be their goal.

Sepp Blatter chooses. Italy are fucked.

Hope it dosnt come to that as there is no way Fifa want our name to come out of that hat.

Huh? What does this mean?

They draw lots

Ok, so here's a question to those more wise than I; what happens if we draw with Paraguay and Italy draws with Slovakia with both matches ending with the same score (ie 2 x 1-1 draws)? That would see Paraguay at top and Slovakia at bottom and us and Italy both on 3 points with exactly the same stats....so who goes through??

If it helps, Shane Smeltz said that Winston Reid got a glance in an interview on 3 News here in NZ so yeah it was off-side, but so was the goal Slovakia scored against NZ in the first match. It's swings and roundabouts and one of the beauties of the beautiful game - no interference from technology.

Either way it doesn't matter - the draw feels like a win to everyone here.

I don't think anyone in NZ has any illusions about our place in world football but we are punching well above our weight class and enjoying the ride. The tactics may not be flash but it's all about doing the best we possibly can by playing to our strengths and recognising our limitations.

The support on this forum for the All Whites achievements has been fantastic - I only wish we could be as gracious with Aussie success - we have a wee way to go.

I hope Aussie get through their group - imagine what Aussie and NZ doing well at the WC would do for your WC bid. I, for one, would love to have the opportunity to attend a WC in Australia.

If a Nzer said it was black you would insist that it was white.

Ditto and interesting that the African nations are in solidarity.



Good post, Reid did make slight contact but would have been hard for anyone in real time to see it. Go and tell the likes of Hard News from the Yellow Fever forum that, he doubts there was contact.

Edited by diego's son: 21/6/2010 05:17:17 PM

Are you guys going to harp on about that for here on in.

Go and look at the money Melb Victory generated for the FFA via the 2007, 2009 and 2010 finals. Then come and talk to us.

Like notorganic said, we question the full benefits to Aus of having a NZ-based team in the comp. We're not saying we are against it, but we have a right to question it. You're on an Australian website after all. Similar to the fact I don't post much on YF anymore. You respect the 'local rules' as such.

Oh and save the 'narrow mindedness' comment for elsewhere, it washes off like anything.

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You are doing everything in your power to be a boring, patronising cock... aren't you.

I'm fully aware of the AFC's stated criteria when considering the ACL places. You're kidding yourself if you think that Wellington being around is not a factor that will hold us back in the future.

Nothing to do with FIFA having told them the Phoenix can stay. The AFC's rationale for allocation of ACL places has been clear from the outset (long before the recent five year extension), and as I just mentioned a key criteria is number of teams in the league. Do you understand yet?

You're right. The AFC will simply sit down and shut up because FIFA told them that Phoenix could stay.
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notorganic - nothing pathetic about having an opinion different to mine, what's pathetic is being cynical and negative all the time and finding any occasion you can to be so.

It is the AFC's decision how many ACL spots to give Australia not NZ's, and the main limiting factor is the number of teams in the league, not that the Phoenix are there.

Great result for NZ - enjoy the result and I hope you spring a surprise on paraguay.

Personally i don't have much interest in an Aus v NZ rivalry and have a fraternal attitude to our commonwealth cousins such that I was riding every clearance as if I was a kiwi.

as for penalty - yep it was a shirt pull so you can see technically why it was given (just like the handball the other night) but it was also a massive dive involved which was way out of proportion to the shirt pull. however such infringements are so rarely given (see DeMerit on Heskey for some real shirt pulling or the Slovenians on Dempsey) that it smacks of yet another decision for a 'big' nation. I doubt if it was Cannavaro on Smeltz that it would have been given - that is what gets on people's nerves. Some of the diving or going to ground in this World Cup has been beyond the pale - especially when a player has miscontrolled the ball so they throw themselves to the ground and get a free.

As for offside it took me about 5 viewings before i could figure that it probably did glance off Reid so how can a ref etc pick this up in real time.

So... when someone has an opinion that differs from yours it's pathetic?

I don't disagree that the Phoenix has played a huge part in bringing football in NZ to the fore. I do disagree that having a Kiwi team in an Australian domestic league is mutually beneficial. In the bigger picture having Wellington in the league has been detrimental to Australian football, and will continue to be so when the AFC decides not to allow more than two Champions League spots.

Whether people stand with me on my opinions is irrelevant.