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More cheese with that whine Antic? Come and coach the Roos instead... :) What do you think about the FourFourTwo article Serbia Fuming Over Penalty Shout? SERBIA coach Radomir Antic claimed his team were denied a penalty that could have sent them into the World Cup second round.Have your say.
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Hank
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Hit his hand; so what the ref missed it... And Hell no!! Unless you mean the Kangaroo's...
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Nico
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LOL that was never hand to ball. What a joke.
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hutchy1974
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What the fuck is the fourth official going to do? Taking Krasic off for me was the moment Serbia were heading out, Aussies dominated the next 15 mins and game was over.
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Hank
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Nico wrote:LOL that was never hand to ball. What a joke. Are you saying it didn't hit his hand? I've seen them given for a hell of a lot less than that... The Ghanian penalty against Serbia hit the hand in a similar manner...
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Knew this was comming.
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Nico
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Hank wrote:Nico wrote:LOL that was never hand to ball. What a joke. Are you saying it didn't hit his hand? I've seen them given for a hell of a lot less than that... The Ghanian penalty against Serbia hit the hand in a similar manner... A handball is "hand to ball", not "ball to hand". That's how its judge to be an offence or not. That was obviously unintentional... I don't think Tim was even looking the right way when it hit him. Certainly Kewells was a lot worse and more toward hand to ball. Sure, it could have been given, they often are and I accept that, but going by the rules of the game it wasn't a handball. They shouldn't be complaining that the ref actually made a correct call.
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Man, Serbians complain a lot!
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Swings and roundabouts. In our post-mortem, I feel it prudent our technical director look at the way Australia approaches match officials during the match. Whether the vuvuzuealas made it hard to hear or not, the takeaway image of Socceroos screaming at refs and imploring them to look at the replay does not bode well. Why are there questions of Australia getting a poor run with refs at major tournaments? Where there is smoke there is fire.
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Would you like a tissue with that :cry: :?
WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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eskimo
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Yes, the ball hit Cahill in the hand. But firstly he was unsighted (facing the other way) and secondly it rebounded straight to a Serb player, so there was no advantage to Aus. Play on.
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OsakaDaz
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The Serbs have a valid complaint to be honest..hardly Tim's fault but we had the same bitter taste in our mouths last world cup and certainly have borne the brunt of some harsh decisions this time...It really makes my wonder if the ref was not actually instructed to avoid any further harsh penalties against Australia..who knows? I also agree with Mr in that our players still haven't learned to stop back chatting the ref...Emerton went really close last night. That is the way this group has gone.I feel for Serbia but if it wasn't for two horrible reds against us then we would rightfully be in the next group stage.We were better than both Serbia and Ghana.The reffing was quite good last night but in general has been a blight on this tournament.
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In terms of refereeing, more went their way than it should have.
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More of a handball than Kewell's one imo. No use complaining though, both teams are out and FIFA listening? I'm not holding my breath.
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Mada22
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You terds whinge just about as much as you dive! Good riddance to another team of actors exiting the WC
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A message for Antic and his team of overated superstars!! Didn't you claim you were the dark horse for the WC? Didn't you claim that you would destroy all opposition? Didn't you talk down the Socceroos at every opportunity? Wasn't it you who claimed that your team was increadibly sophisticated and technical? Wasn't it you who claimed that you would top the group? What went wrong Antic? The fallacy of prediction falls on you dude. And to tell you the truth I cannot stop laughing at your ugly mooche and your totally over-rated team, who should have been picking the ball out of its own net at least 4 times if the roos had taken all there chances. Go back to Serbia and disapear!!
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well said skinet. Tim Cahill is superhuman to be sure, but eyes in the back of his head? I dont think so!
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IIRC Isn't the official ruling 'hand to ball' constitutes a penalty not 'ball to hand'.
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Gian22
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"In the end I think that we didn't have fair treatment".. Are they serious??.. how many soft free kicks were awarded to them?.. i honestly lost count.. On another note, did any1 see lahm's clearance off the line against Ghana?? identical to Harry's!..
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Hey buddy get off the drugs. Just face it, you weren't good enough to win.
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Mr wrote:Swings and roundabouts. In our post-mortem, I feel it prudent our technical director look at the way Australia approaches match officials during the match. Whether the vuvuzuealas made it hard to hear or not, the takeaway image of Socceroos screaming at refs and imploring them to look at the replay does not bode well. Why are there questions of Australia getting a poor run with refs at major tournaments? Where there is smoke there is fire. Agreed.
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The foul count was a 24 - 10 in your favour Antic. I'd be quiet right now.
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hutchy1974
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Gian22 wrote:"In the end I think that we didn't have fair treatment".. Are they serious??.. how many soft free kicks were awarded to them?.. i honestly lost count.. On another note, did any1 see lahm's clearance off the line against Ghana?? identical to Harry's!.. Was about to mention that, ref was right behind the path of the ball, dont know how he missed it. Then again maybe he didnt miss it.
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Nico wrote:LOL that was never hand to ball. What a joke. Agreed You cannot claim ball to hand when you're moving your hand He knew Vidic would get a header on it so stuck his hand up
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General Ashnak
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Yes the ball hit the back of Cahill's arm, yes it is sometimes given as a penalty - but should by the rules of the game? No. Kewell's handball was always a penalty, a red card? No. Penalty? Yes.
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Mada 22, if your referring to the Krasic dive then you should look at your own team. Neill gotta a little tap on the back of the head and then went down holding his face. Cant critisize us for diving.
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It was clearly not handball. One of the factors that the referee is required to take into account is the distance from the strike of the ball to the hand/arm. In this case in was fractions of a second and therefore was ball to hand.
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Mada22
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No milos krasic, im referring to the entire WC, v ghana, the germs and us. You dirty turds gown down cheaper than a $2 hooker!
p.s. whatever happened to your 'fab 4' backline?
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General Ashnak wrote:Yes the ball hit the back of Cahill's arm, yes it is sometimes given as a penalty - but should by the rules of the game? No. Kewell's handball was always a penalty, a red card? No. Penalty? Yes. You really should read the Laws of the Game. If Kewell's was handball and it stopped a certain goal then the referee has no option but to issue a red card. A yellow card is not an option for him. Quote:Sending-off offences A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences: • serious foul play • violent conduct • spitting at an opponent or any other person • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area) • denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick • using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures • receiving a second caution in the same match
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A penalty should have been given but Serbia dont need to blame the referee for not making past the group stage. They had their chances but it wasnt to be. Antic can only blame himself for the starting 11 and his willingness to play the one striker system in a must win game. Oh well I just guess it wasnt meant to be. Euro 2012 is our target now and a some new blood needs to be tested. Bring in the likes of Djuricic, Stevanovic, Ljajic, Vukovic, Milanovic and Aleksic in. For Australia, its the Asian Cup and a good new coach please not Beenhacker he fucked up Real Madrid, Netherlands 1990 and Poland. Coach dosent have to be Dutch FFA.
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That young bloke who came on in the 2nd half looks the goods. I think they said he plays with ManU?
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mkrasic wrote:A penalty should have been given but Serbia dont need to blame the referee for not making past the group stage. They had their chances but it wasnt to be. Antic can only blame himself for the starting 11 and his willingness to play the one striker system in a must win game. Oh well I just guess it wasnt meant to be. Euro 2012 is our target now and a some new blood needs to be tested. Bring in the likes of Djuricic, Stevanovic, Ljajic, Vukovic, Milanovic and Aleksic in. For Australia, its the Asian Cup and a good new coach please not Beenhacker he fucked up Real Madrid, Netherlands 1990 and Poland. Coach dosent have to be Dutch FFA. There was no basis for the Cahill incident to be called handball. Quote: Handling the ball Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration: • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball) • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement
Firstly he made no play at the ball with his arm ie contact was not deliberate and secondly the distance from his opponent was such that it was "unexpected ball". the ball did make contact with his arm but that does not constitute a foul unless the contact was deliberate. No competent referee would call it as a foul.
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Football is a bitch... we should know.
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Are they blind. That was not a handball at all. He didn't even have his face in the direction of the ball let alone his eyes and movement toward. WTF.
The off sides were close but correct.
The ref. decisions agaisnt us tonight were still very harsh, in fact we couldn't tackle at times because that is a free kick!?
If anyone was treated harshly its us not them. Lucky they didn't get a red for the studs up late tackle on Wilkshire. It would have been red for us not dought.
I'm sorry, but stop diving now. The games already over.
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They certainly got a few soft free kicks. I thought they would have complained more about the offside than the hand ball as I thought that was very close and they only showed one reply. It was almost like we have a reputation for foul play. Mmmm yeah maybe we do. We also should have a reputation for not chucking ourselves on the ground when ever someone comes near us but that also didn't seem to sway the ref and we didn't get some free kicks I thought could have gone our way. Lucas started to show a bit of it when he got whacked (accidently) in the back off the head and fell down holding his face. You're a danger to yourself and a burden to others. Or is he? Will it take a change in our football culture so that we do fall down and milk free kicks. Until then are we some niave football back water that will never make the semis? F!@^( hope not. And why the hell did he take Krasic off? Maybe your tactics didn't go as you'd hoped so you might like to blame someone else?
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How the hell could anyone call that a handball, FIFA even reminded the referees at the start of the world cup that ball to hand incidents inside three feet were not to be given as free kicks. All those wanting to call it a handball are the same ones that want to kick the soceroos and drag them down no matter what the circumstances are, yeah just like you liverpool. Serbia got all the soft free kicks in this game. I can honestly say that if the shoe was on the other foot i would never have expected to get a penalty for that. Get a life you fucking eurosnobs.
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Wow they think they got the hard end of the stick did they even scout any of our games, what a wanker
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Sooks, clearly was not a penalty, Cahill has no opportunity to move his hand away from the ball approaching it. Sore losers I think.
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That's football.
Edited by Tyson_85: 24/6/2010 05:39:33 PM
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I have only one question for Radomar Antic, in reference to claims that they should have had a penalty...
Are you serious?
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who are the whingers?
Jam it as far up your arses as it, whatever that may ne, will fit
AUS 2 SER 1
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It wasn't a hand ball because it was unintentional, just like the Kewell handball.
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Typical serbs stfu and don't be such sore losers, we just wanted it more then serbia so dont try and take away from our victory with your whinging, petty crap.
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should just stfu about the penalty. we had plenty of chances and shouldve been up 3-0 in the first half. i am extremely bummed coz we only needed a goal to progress. and tbh i cried after the match, but thats just passion. but shit happens in football. we gotta turn our attention the euros and restore some national pride. what i hate tho is when people who didnt watch the match, only saw the result, jump to conclusions about what went on. they dont know that we dominated for the most part, and i ended up copping so much shit from school today from such people.
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meh. as stated before, antic needs some whine to wash down the south pacific sandwich he's been served within the last month.
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Sour grapes from Serbia. That was never a hand ball, and they know it.
They deserved to miss out on the 16.
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And if that was in reverse??
This forum who have been full of people saying fuck the ref, serbian cheats etc..
Just saying...
Edited by moxstar: 25/6/2010 02:58:28 AM
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General Ashnak
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For Gyfox: Quote:Direct Free Kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).
Penalty Kick
A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided it is in play. Quote:Sending-off offences
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting at an opponent or any other person
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
• denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• receiving a second caution in the same match
Quote:Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand) • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement After re reading the Laws of the Game I am now no longer sure if Kewell's incident was even a penalty. It also does confirm that Cahill did not give away a penalty.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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