torana_a9x
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davidtorres wrote:You CAN NOT compare Suarez's handball to Henry's.
Henry's was at the opposite end of the pitch, and it helped France make it to the World Cup, and also he got away with it. Suarez's was defending, he couldn't do much else, and also he got a red card and Ghana was awarded a penalty. Except maybe not deliberately touch the ball with his hand. Quote:If Ghana had scored the penalty, no-one would be complaining. And if whoever Henry assisted missed nobody would have commplained either. Different ends of the pitch, same intent, same result.
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davidsomethingelse
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torana_a9x wrote:davidtorres wrote:You CAN NOT compare Suarez's handball to Henry's.
Henry's was at the opposite end of the pitch, and it helped France make it to the World Cup, and also he got away with it. Suarez's was defending, he couldn't do much else, and also he got a red card and Ghana was awarded a penalty. Except maybe not deliberately touch the ball with his hand. And what? Watch Uruguay be eliminated from the World Cup, or try and stop it anyway he can and take on for the team? Quote:Quote:If Ghana had scored the penalty, no-one would be complaining. And if whoever Henry assisted missed nobody would have commplained either. Different ends of the pitch, same intent, same result. As I said, Henry got away with his handball. Suarez didn't, he was red carded and Ghana got a penalty. It's a completely different story.... Edited by davidtorres: 3/7/2010 02:33:47 PM
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Kwa$ wrote:xfirestormx...i think u just showed how big of a dud u are, for starters the penalty spot is 13 yeards out not 6, secondly what exactly did ghana do to you for u to be 'tired' of them?? face the facts they deserved to progress, however uruguay did play well in patches. Suarez did what he had to though it was THE MOST UNSPORTSMANLIKE BEHAVIOUR i think i've ever witnessed on a football pitch. lmao. im the "dud"? i wasnt talking about penalties man, i was talking about SHOTS FROM 6 YARDS, like i said. shots from the 6 yard box that they have missed / hit outfield players that i can think of off the top of my head: 1) vs australia - ghana player hit harry kewell from a right footed shot from right outside the 6 yard box with a net that was, for the most part, wide open. 2) vs germany - ghana player hits lahm from point blank range despite having more than enough "goal" to aim at 3) vs uruguay - boetang heads from inside the 6 yard box in the 116th minute yet somehow misses 4) vs uruguay - appiah, with a wide open near post, shoots the ball straight at suarez, who blocks with his feet, rebounding the ball to... 5) vs uruguay - ...aadiyah, who, despite having the far post fairly free (only needing to head from point blank range past a flapping keeper), heads the ball straight at not one, but TWO uruguayan players, ALLOWING suarez to reach up and handle the ball. they cant score from the simplest of distances and angles. its pathetic. the only times they have scored is 1) from the spot, 2) hit-and-hope shots from outside the box, and 3) one good strike from gyan. other than that, nothing. boetang missed a point blank header right in front of the goal ffs. they have teams "cheat" against them because they are too poor with their finishing and give their opposition the opportunity to do so. that is not a team that deserves to progress. im tired of seeing a team so utterly dependent on the referee that they cant even score from open play. im not a fan of uruguay, i really dont like the team tbh, but ghana is just poor. they were lucky to get this far. Edited by xfirestormx: 3/7/2010 02:35:25 PM
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torana_a9x
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davidtorres wrote:torana_a9x wrote:davidtorres wrote:You CAN NOT compare Suarez's handball to Henry's.
Henry's was at the opposite end of the pitch, and it helped France make it to the World Cup, and also he got away with it. Suarez's was defending, he couldn't do much else, and also he got a red card and Ghana was awarded a penalty. Except maybe not deliberately touch the ball with his hand. And what? Watch Uruguay be eliminated from the World Cup, or try and stop it anyway he can and take on for the team? Quote:Quote:If Ghana had scored the penalty, no-one would be complaining. And if whoever Henry assisted missed nobody would have commplained either. Different ends of the pitch, same intent, same result. As I said, Henry got away with his handball. Suarez didn't, he was red carded and Ghana got a penalty. It's a completely different story.... Edited by davidtorres: 3/7/2010 02:33:47 PM Yeah, if he wanted to play by the rules of the game. If it's ok for suarez to do it because of his national pride or whatever then it was ok for Henry for the same reasons. They both took the risks, one got caught one didn't, that doesn't change their actions. Just because Suarez got caught, it doesn't justify it, that's my point, and I'm sure he would be happy with his red because his actions still resulted in a win for Uruguay just like Henry's actions resulted in a win for france.
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davidsomethingelse
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Quote: Just because Suarez got caught, it doesn't justify it, that's my point, and I'm sure he would be happy with his red because his actions still resulted in a win for Uruguay just like Henry's actions resulted in a win for france.
But how was he meant to know Ghana were going to miss the penalty?
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torana_a9x
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He didn't need to, he took away a certain goal in the last minutes of the game, he knew exactly what he was doing (which is why i compare to Henry) and that there was a chance the goal would get saved, or a chance he would miss.
How did henry know his handball would result in a goal? It wasn't like the hand of god where it directed the ball into the net, it just presented a chance, just as Suarez's handball presented uruguay with a chance to save.
Edited by torana_a9x: 3/7/2010 02:50:49 PM
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jamo91
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i dont like Ghana particularly but gotta feel for gyan had the hopes of a continent on his shoulders could have nearly cried myself felt so bad for him. not a victory that should be celebrated by the neutral.
the difference between henry and suarez. Suarez did it knowing he would get caught and was prepared to pay the price for his country and was sufficiently punished under the laws of the game. Henry was a sneaky bastard who used the poor positioning (and lack of video technology i might add) of the referees to get away with the cheating.
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Suarez did play dirty and is probably the most hated man in Africa right now, but unfortunately I have to say Ghana only has themselves to blame. You cannot miss like Ghana did and make the Semis.
Uruguay had been quite lucky with bad finishing from opposition in the knockout stage though.
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The difference between the Henry ans Suarez handballs is that Henry tried to con the ref (poorly) and get away with what he did.
Suarez, on the other hand, made no attempt to hide his actions and willingly took a bullet for his team/country. He knew exactly what he was doing, and the consequences (positive & negative) of doing it.
Both are cheats, but there was more honour in what Suarez did for mine. That said, he must be banned for the rest of the tournament, and then some.
Another case for video refs. The onfield ref could've asked the video ref to confirm that Suarez's intentional handball stopped a certain goal. Once the confirmation was given, no penalty needed and a goal automatically awarded to Ghana.
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face it, Suarez was simply not a good enough player to defend off the line. Any player worth his salt would have been able to leap into the air to head that ball back out. Fucile tried to do exactly that. Suarez only resorted to cheating because he knew he was not a good enough player to keep the ball out legally.
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Daniel1991
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BEST. HANDBALL. EVER.
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Donday81
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I am sure he is not, but Suarez should be ashamed
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Daniel1991
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Why should he be?? I wouldve dont the exact same thing. For the world cup I would deck someone right in front of the ref for the trophy. If you want it take the bullet. Ghana had their oppurtunity more than once. Thats the difference between a good side and a great side.
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jamo91
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mickmack wrote:face it, Suarez was simply not a good enough player to defend off the line. Any player worth his salt would have been able to leap into the air to head that ball back out. Fucile tried to do exactly that. Suarez only resorted to cheating because he knew he was not a good enough player to keep the ball out legally. have you been watching the tournament? hes not exactly played bad.. more likely hes a relatively small player not known for his heading and didnt want to risk his entire nations hopes of a world cup on his heading ability from a close-range attempt at goal. yes its cheating and hell been banned for a while which he would have known he was going to cop as punishment. alot more honour in what he did compared to henry but cheating all the same.
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^ i wouldn't call suarez a small player
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Ghana wasn't good enough to take advantage. Suarez did what he had to do and got sent off rightfully so. Ghana got the chance to win it they choked end of story. If Harry Kewell did the same and Australia won he would be a national hero.
Don't like it go watch netball... Next!!!
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Luckily for Uruguay he only misses the semi.
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He took a chance - Ghana weren't good enough to take theirs.
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I think suarez will miss two. FIFA will take a tough stance no doubt.
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latinr33 wrote:I think suarez will miss two. FIFA will take a tough stance no doubt. Nup. It's only a one game ban for what he did. That's why Kewell would have played in the Round of 16 if we made it through.
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And the guy that got sent off will no doubt be a national hero for committing a red card offence.
Love the romance....
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road warrior
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I don't think Suarez is a cheat at all. I'm sure many players have done it before, and would do it again. It's a 'professional foul' and there are examples of it in all sports.
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road warrior wrote:I don't think Suarez is a cheat at all. I'm sure many players have done it before, and would do it again. It's a 'professional foul' and there are examples of it in all sports.
this, it just happened to be a handball on the goal line
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Ghana... try kleenex tissues heard they are softer.
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suarez is a good player but daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamnnnnnnnnnnn.
fifa is not going to let this one go by. they are going to fine him and ban him for a certain amount of time (can that be done in situations like this?). he's going to miss the world cup final that's if uruguay make it any further if thats the case...
the laws of the game played out the way it is but unfortunately for ghana it cost them a chance to the semi-finals.
he will no doubt be a national hero for uruguay but seriously seeing him crying then cheering when ghana missed the penalty.
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Loved every seconed! Fuck off Ghana.
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davidtorres wrote:Unbeleiveable! God was on our side, no doubt about that. Oh fuck off, makes me want to vomit. No doubt haha? If you don't manage to win the world cup (which you won't), are you going to come back here lambasting God for not letting you win it? Grow up.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:latinr33 wrote:I think suarez will miss two. FIFA will take a tough stance no doubt. Nup. It's only a one game ban for what he did. That's why Kewell would have played in the Round of 16 if we made it through. How long did Henry get for the one against Ireland? Because it was in such important circumstances?
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Gooner4life_8 wrote:road warrior wrote:I don't think Suarez is a cheat at all. I'm sure many players have done it before, and would do it again. It's a 'professional foul' and there are examples of it in all sports.
this, it just happened to be a handball on the goal line You two do understand that 'professional foul' is just a euphemism for cheating right? Deliberately breaking the rules of a game is cheating therefore Suarez is a cheat. Simple as that.
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