They can win how they like, no problems there. But if the negativity continues and then all other clubs follow which is what tends to happen in the AFL then the game will suffer which it has since Sydney introduced these tactics apparently based on how AC Milan played.

Fremantle and Lyon are boring, have no plan b when they do not convert and that is why Lyon has lost all his grand finals.

A team with a different way of going about the game, BLASPHEMY :roll:

People like you should keep their mouths shut

Edited by Mozilla: 30/9/2013 03:17:26 PM

But how many grand finals has Lyon been in and won?

The stats do not lie, maybe refer to this article in The Age today:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/freo-no-offence-but--20130929-2umii.html

Only Sydney have once won and that was pretty much done by a saving mark on the siren, so just won, with similar difference in attack and defence. Even they had improved attack and defence difference by the time they won it again.

That is 4 Grand Finals and Lyon's teams have kicked 8 goals on average. No goals in the first quarter on Saturday. The Grand Final was absolutely boring because of these tactics.

No wonder Lake won the Norm Smith he had no one to mark and could do as he pleased in the backline.

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Edited by justafan: 30/9/2013 05:09:01 PM

I wouldn't say it's negativeity. They play strong, aggressive football where they attack the ball. They still move with conviction and purpose. Negative football is what you see from teams like Melbourne.

And given you were so convinced at the start of the season that Freo wouldn't even make the finals, let alone deriding mine and 11.mvfc.11's assertions that they could make the final and have a genuine tilt at it, I'd say you don't have much of a leg to stand on.

Tactics? HIS tactics? If Fremantle hadn't shanked their first three set shots on goal you'd have nothing to complain about. It was more about nerves from Freo's experienced players than any of Ross Lyon's tactics. Did you even watch the game?

Nerves played a massive part in Freos game, major one for me was Pavlich's first half. How often would he mark on 50 on about a 45 degree angle and centre it? We just happened to take our chances, big thanks to Jack Gunston (who i thought was a shoe-in for the Norm Smith) for that. We also answered when we needed to, i still think if Freo had hit the front in the 3rd we probably wouldnt have won.

Worth noting these supposedly negative Freo tactics allowed them to have just as many scoring shots as Hawthorn. In fact they had even more shots on goal when you consider how many times they kicked it out on the full.

When you consider that Mundy's first three shots on goal went out on the full twice and just snuck in for a behind, and Pav shanked his first shot as well...and that the margin was only 15 points...and that Freo had the same number of scoring shots let alone the half dozen that didn't make the distance and the 2-3 that went out on the full...but yeah, negative tactics n shit.

Justafan is the Ozboy of AFL.

Agree with all that, except it was Fyfe, not Mundy who missed those shots :p

My mistake. They both have bad haircuts and can't kick straight. Easily confused when I'd been drinking. :lol:

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The swans beat one of the best ever eagles teams. Then the following year made the grand final again and only lost by a point.
And who beat the hawks last year in the grand final? The same team that only just missed this years grand final after being injury depleted.
THE SWANS

So don't crap on the playing style,you have no idea what you are talking about. The swans have been the best team over the last 10 years or damn close to it and you watch next year the dockers will get bloody close to the GF if they don't make it.

Well if you read the article you will see Sydney changed to a more attacking style as they were rated 5th best attacking team when they last won the premiership and not 14th when they won the first. They invented this style of play 8 years ago and it worked for them once as it was new and Lyon's teams have followed suit and worked for them none. The point in case you missed it is you have to move your game plan on which the Swans have done, maybe if they remained the 12th most defensive team in the league they may not have won that second flag.

We wait and see next year but they did tell me this year to watch out for the Crows and Eagles until the other teams worked them out and their draw got harder for finishing higher up the table.

And yet at the moment Fremantle have won how many premierships? about 1 less than St Kilda, and we know who was coaching that last golden generation with the best defensive team in the league and a team full of top draft picks.

Maybe if they had more balls they would have played a taller forward in the forward line rather than plonking him on the bench as was highlighted by some of the commentators in the last quarter, but I guess they were too busy saving the game. That may have given Lake something else to do rather than pick up Norm Smith points.

Hawthorn just took the foot off the pedal and Fremantle kicked a few last quarter goals.

Close enough is not good enough that is how you end up with 1 premiership in 100+ years.

Maybe if they focus more on the forward play then who knows they may just get there. It is going to be tough relying on one aging star forward.






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Edited by justafan: 30/9/2013 09:06:26 PM

I read the article and its a load of shit. Points for and points against does not reflect on how a team Approaches the game.
Do you think the swans and dockers go out and hoped to score such low points?

The swans haven't changed there game plan, they lock the ball in as much as possible and force turn overs exactly like the dockers.
The only reason the swans have become a more "attacking" team is because they developed some of the best running midfielders.
There game is still the same is it was back nearly10 years ago.

You asked how many premierships the dockers have won as if its an insult to Lyon. He got them to their highest position on the ladder in two years and got them to the grand final in his second season. That is a very impressive for anyone.

And the swans actually have 4 premierships over 100 years. Granted not very impressive. But not many teams have won it twice and been there on the day three times in the last ten years.

Geelong
Hawthorn
Sydney
Coolingwood.

So Buddy Franklin to the Swans it seems.

How can they afford him? :o

Maybe we should try an enter the race.

Not worth it, has his heart set on coming to Sydney. What's interesting is that the GWS offer was apparently a lot lower than expected.

Probably because they don't need him.

That's got to raise questions about the Sydney salary cap surely? I mean, $7m over 5 years?

Speaking of which I reckon there were a few worried that the sokkah game was going to beat the ALF centrepiece and ordered a few crowd fillers for the gf.

Yeah, Given that there was no reports of it being a sell-out all week they did pretty well to 'sell out'.

Not to mention the corporates. I mean, it's very suspect that the amount of people filling in corporate positions in Australia are all anglos who all happened to support Freo or Hawthorn. Geez.

Interesting to see that Sydney still have Cap concessions. Ridiculous, I'm not sad he's leaving, just didn't think he was heading to a premiership rival.

If your company gave you free tickets to the GF I don't think you'd be complaining, you'd slip on a scarf and go to the game. But considering that's the biggest crowd since 2009...

I was very skeptical of that myself and really hope they haven't done anything dodgy and have problems like the hawks.

From what I have read:
Bolton
Mattner
Morton are all retiring.

Jesse white off to collingwood supposedly
Shane mumford off to Hawthorn/GWS supposedly.

Swans will be moving a few players to the veterans list which the AFL cover a portion of their wage supposedly.
And there seeking the AFL permission to make Buddy an AFL ambassador which will cover some of his wages, in junction with living allowances the swans players are gifted from the AFL.

Still seems out there though. In no way am I making excuses just putting out there what I have read myself.

Still you're talking about a $1.4m a year deal. I hear Sydney are still getting salary cap concessions. What the hell for?

I am only going on what I have read as I think the deal is dodgy and don't like it as a swans fan.

The $1.4 million isn't out of range completely with the players retiring and older players being moved to the veterans list Those 5 players will be earning over 1.4 million combined. What will make this deal dodgy is if they then sign other players to replace the retiring and others leaving with bigger money players over juniors.

They receive living allowances as Sydney is the most expensive property market in Australia, They get this along with GWS.

Even I can't convince myself this is being done within the cap even if it is all legit.

So given that things are cheaper in Adelaide will we dock the salary cap of those clubs?

Call up Andrew and ask him.
I do understand the allowances but only to within a certain limit. As the AFL were the ones that implemented it.

The swans came out and said that the AFL can take direct control over the housing allowance so that nothing seemed out of place.
The AFL chose not to.

Keep in mind Perth is not the most expensive place to live in Australia and they don't receive anything as far as I am aware.

Buddy to the Swans has been rumored for months, similar money, premiership threat and the giants never needed him since they have Cameron and Patton already

there was reports that Hawthorn offered him more than the swans but he wasn't interested.

If they have that kind of money they should be able attract some other decent players to try and make up for his loss.

If there is going to be concessions for living allowances made then the clubs should have no control over it. It should be purely AFL controlled.