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paulbagzFC wrote:
So what's the go with everyone hating Goodes so badly?

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Plenty of people genuinely don't like him because he milks free kicks and can play a bit dirty, but that has nothing to do with why he's being booed. He's been doing the same thing for 15 years and no one cared until he took a stand against racism. Basically some racist fans started the booing and plenty of other fans joined in hiding behind the bullshit excuse that they boo him because 'he's a flog'.

Pretty much every opposition coach/player/club has asked the fans to stop it but they keep going. The only positive is people look back at him and this as a major turning point for racism in footy.
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99 Problems wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
So what's the go with everyone hating Goodes so badly?

-PB

Plenty of people genuinely don't like him because he milks free kicks and can play a bit dirty, but that has nothing to do with why he's being booed. He's been doing the same thing for 15 years and no one cared until he took a stand against racism. Basically some racist fans started the booing and plenty of other fans joined in hiding behind the bullshit excuse that they boo him because 'he's a flog'.

Pretty much every opposition coach/player/club has asked the fans to stop it but they keep going. The only positive is people look back at him and this as a major turning point for racism in footy.

So is Goodes a dirty player? Is he hated for this reason?

Or is it just pure racism? I'll admit I don't know the intricacies of the AFL but Goodes seems to be fairly likeable person.

Is he disliked just cos he spoke out against some bogan teenage girl who called him a monkey? Surely the AFL is not that behind in the times.
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[size=7]Eagles fan: 'I’m not a racist'[/size]

One of the West Coast supporters kicked out of Sunday’s controversial clash with Sydney for an alleged racist remark towards Adam Goodes says the furore surrounding the treatment of the dual Brownlow medallist is “political correctness gone mad”.

The fan, who does not want to be named, told The West Australian he directed his remark “Get back to the zoo” towards play in the second quarter of the Eagles’ victory, which prompted at least one complaint to the text tip-off line at Domain Stadium.

The man, who came from the Wheatbelt for the game, said the comment was “off-the-cuff banter” not intended to be racist and that his ejection from the ground was an overreaction.


But the Eagles said they were investigating his eviction as police confirmed they were not considering criminal charges.

“It was a flippant, off-the-cuff remark and the players would not have heard it for all the booing and banter coming from the crowd,” the man said.

“The whole world has gone too politically correct. It was just part of the banter of the game.

“I was not leaning over the fence taunting anyone. There was swearing in the crowd that was much more offensive than what I said.

“But I was the one humiliated by the over-the-top security, ordered out of my seat, spoken to like I was a criminal.

“Then I was questioned by police on the way out.”

Domain Stadium bosses confirmed two people were ejected on Sunday under the venue’s racial vilification complaint policy and the issue was being discussed with the Eagles and AFL.

Melissa Gillett, who reported the “zoo” remark, said she believed the comment was clearly directed at Goodes. After comments from nearby about “dobbing”, Ms Gillett left the game at half-time with her partner and young daughter.

“I feel good for standing up to it, but gee, it is disappointing to hear it happen still,” Ms Gillett said.

The treatment of Goodes at Subiaco was criticised from the top of the AFL down yesterday, with league chief executive Gillon McLachlan saying the time had come to stop booing Goodes.

Eagles great Peter Matera, who was at the match, said there was no question in his mind the widespread booing of Goodes at AFL games was racially motivated.

“This has just happened regarding the indigenous side of things and that war cry that Goodesy did,” Matera said. “It’s just got out of hand.

“People don’t like what he’s doing in regard to his culture. He loves his culture and he’ll do anything to protect his culture.

“You don’t go booing players because of their race. They’re not booing him because of his ability. They’re booing him because of what’s happened in the past.”

Matera, a Norm Smith medallist and 253-game dual premiership player, also defended Lewis Jetta, who reacted angrily to Goodes’ treatment by directing an indigenous “war dance” at Eagles fans.

“Lewis doing that just shows the passion that he has for Goodesy and their Aboriginality,” Matera said.

“It’s not good for our kids. How would they feel if they’re playing footy and getting booed? It’s not right. We should know better.”

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/29064209/eagles-fan-i-m-not-a-racist/

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And who is this Ricky Nixon fella on Facebook that everyone keeps whinging about?

Some AFL media personality?

-PB

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paulbagzFC wrote:
And who is this Ricky Nixon fella on Facebook that everyone keeps whinging about?

Some AFL media personality?

-PB

Is he the bloke who had the affair with the 17 year old girl?

He looks like a slimeball.
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u4486662 wrote:
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paulbagzFC wrote:
So what's the go with everyone hating Goodes so badly?

-PB

Plenty of people genuinely don't like him because he milks free kicks and can play a bit dirty, but that has nothing to do with why he's being booed. He's been doing the same thing for 15 years and no one cared until he took a stand against racism. Basically some racist fans started the booing and plenty of other fans joined in hiding behind the bullshit excuse that they boo him because 'he's a flog'.

Pretty much every opposition coach/player/club has asked the fans to stop it but they keep going. The only positive is people look back at him and this as a major turning point for racism in footy.

So is Goodes a dirty player? Is he hated for this reason?

Or is it just pure racism? I'll admit I don't know the intricacies of the AFL but Goodes seems to be fairly likeable person.

Is he disliked just cos he spoke out against some bogan teenage girl who called him a monkey? Surely the AFL is not that behind in the times.

He has done some questionable things on the field over the years, but he's not even the dirtiest player at the swans, let alone in the league.

He is the only player in the league who gets booed in this way. Logically, this either means he is the worst person or dirtiest player in the league, neither of which are close to true, or its racially motivated.
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u4486662 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
And who is this Ricky Nixon fella on Facebook that everyone keeps whinging about?

Some AFL media personality?

-PB

Is he the bloke who had the affair with the 17 year old girl?

He looks like a slimeball.


Yup, disgraced former player manager that banged the St Kilda schoolgirl, has had numerous other incidents including smashing his car into a tram whilst drunk then running off, briefly lived with Gary Ablett Snr at one stage which ended with a punch on in a city laneway between the two of them, he also made a woeful attempt to become a comedian, not sure what he's up to now though

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My boss at work would boo Goodes. He was talking about it after a game a few weeks ago "how good were all the boo's".
I said, nah its a bit rough just because hes aboriginal.

He replied "No its because hes acts like a wanker"
Me: "In what way?"
boss: "Its the things he says and does"
Me: "Like what?"
boss: "Like,, He just is"

This is the mentality, its sugar coated racism.

And as for the "war dance" people get so precious about. What the fuck do you think the Haka is when you see Australia or anyone take on a NZ national team.
Oh... Thats ok it cultural.
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Cromulent wrote:
u4486662 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
And who is this Ricky Nixon fella on Facebook that everyone keeps whinging about?

Some AFL media personality?

-PB

Is he the bloke who had the affair with the 17 year old girl?

He looks like a slimeball.


Yup, disgraced former player manager that banged the St Kilda schoolgirl, has had numerous other incidents including smashing his car into a tram whilst drunk then running off, briefly lived with Gary Ablett Snr at one stage which ended with a punch on in a city laneway between the two of them, he also made a woeful attempt to become a comedian, not sure what he's up to now though

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Oohhhhh I see now.

Yeah his Facebook page is pretty funneh, he's just swearing and going people who are shitting on his wall :lol:

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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Why has this all reared it's head now with Goodes?

I always thought he was a love him or hate him character (think like Berisha) in the AFL because of his antics (firing up the crowd etc, at least thats how I remember him)

IMO, I think its a case of some people already not liking him, then the racists got on board (not denying that these people don't exist who boo him just because he's aboriginal), now the people that genuinely didn't like him are lumped in with the racists, that's how I'm seeing it at the moment.

Odd situation.
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AFL to fans:

Boo who you want*


*as long as they are not indigenous


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jlm8695 wrote:
Why has this all reared it's head now with Goodes?

I always thought he was a love him or hate him character (think like Berisha) in the AFL because of his antics (firing up the crowd etc, at least thats how I remember him)

IMO, I think its a case of some people already not liking him, then the racists got on board (not denying that these people don't exist who boo him just because he's aboriginal), now the people that genuinely didn't like him are lumped in with the racists, that's how I'm seeing it at the moment.

Odd situation.

People have always liked him or loved him, but they've never booed him. As a couple of AFL coaches pointed out last night, it's at the point where it doesn't matter what an individual's reason for booing him is, you're in support of the others who are booing him for racial reasons.
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99 Problems wrote:
jlm8695 wrote:
Why has this all reared it's head now with Goodes?

I always thought he was a love him or hate him character (think like Berisha) in the AFL because of his antics (firing up the crowd etc, at least thats how I remember him)

IMO, I think its a case of some people already not liking him, then the racists got on board (not denying that these people don't exist who boo him just because he's aboriginal), now the people that genuinely didn't like him are lumped in with the racists, that's how I'm seeing it at the moment.

Odd situation.

People have always liked him or loved him, but they've never booed him. As a couple of AFL coaches pointed out last night, it's at the point where it doesn't matter what an individual's reason for booing him is, you're in support of the others who are booing him for racial reasons.


Agreed, I was more curious about why it started as well, considering he has always never been universally loved but now its at its worst, I don't think it was this bad when the incident with the girl occurred either.

It's definitely a good example of a crowd having it's own mentality, a shame that it's come to this and it doesn't seem like it will end anytime soon.
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The people who are booing goodesy boo have no clue why they are booing him. Likewise with the idiots who booed sterling on friday. The people who say he is a flog have no clue why he is a flog .I cant stand him at times but when my club had mocahel long he copped the same shit. The exexuses i hear is he should harden up .
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Black athlete with an opinion is hated #4304.
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u4486662 wrote:

So is Goodes a dirty player? Is he hated for this reason?

Or is it just pure racism? I'll admit I don't know the intricacies of the AFL but Goodes seems to be fairly likeable person.

Is he disliked just cos he spoke out against some bogan teenage girl who called him a monkey? Surely the AFL is not that behind in the times.


He has always been a pretty divisive figure in the game as he is seen as a player with a tendency to milk free kicks and he has a rep for being a bit of a bruiser off the ball. A LOT of people disliked him before the incident with the Collingwood supporter racially abusing him, personally I don't actually mind him off the field most of the time but he can be a bit of a wanker at times, he's done a lot of good though so I respect him for that. When it comes to his on field form he can be very dirty, he can be antagonistic and he can be a simulator, there's nothing wrong with any of that as he's not the only one you can say that for (he's also not the only one who gets booed for it), but it's pretty easy to hate an opposition player for that just as easy as it is to love a c*nt when they're on your side.

This definitely has evolved into more than that, I haven't been part of crowd that has booed Goodes so I can't speak for why so many do it live, obviously there is a racial element at it's heart but I think most fans sitting at home who dislike Goodes are not villifying him because of his race. The longer this issue is drawn out through the media and the more we hear about how it's racist or how it needs to stop, the more likely people are to jump on the bandwagon IMO.

It seems he was booed for no reason by the West Coast supporters but they have a history of this (see Jobe Watson) and have long been regarded as the most hostile fan base to play in front of, I don't think this should be getting air time anymore tbh.

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paulbagzFC wrote:
And who is this Ricky Nixon fella on Facebook that everyone keeps whinging about?


:lol:

He was a pretty prominent player agent who was famously sacked after the "St Kilda school girl" filmed him in his tightie whities supplying her with drugs. Since then he's been barred from practicing and his mental state seems to have declined significantly due to his drug use, he spends his time now trying to break into comedy and trying to impress young blokes. It'd be sad if it wasn't so funny to watch.
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paulbagzFC wrote:
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Half a dozen pages in the paper about goodes, you can tell its a slow news day :lol:


What did he do?

-PB


He dared to upset the white people at their game.

Viennese Vuck

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People yelling out go back to zoo and anything along those lines is simply not on and the AFL should throw the book at them.

But he's always been an unlikable player and for most fans he plays for the opposition - so yes he will be booed from time to time.

Anyway as harsh as it may sound if the AFL, the media and Goodes just moved on after that Hawthorn game a few months back and treated the booing like any other player being booed I don't think we'd be talking about this now.

However the moment the AFL came out telling fans that they can't boo Goodes it was never going to end well, throw in Goodes celebration against Carlton (and now going on leave) It just keeps giving the story air. You simply won't be able to stop a crowd booing.
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I am not an AFL fan, but Adam Goodes is a champ. So much casual racism comes out when he's in the media :lol:

Haters gonna hate. I hope he keeps pissing these utter cunts off.
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I feel pretty hard done by being a white guy and not being able to vocalise the rather obvious look alike between Adam Goodes and certain chimps. Has nothing to do with the colour of his skin, it's just the shape of the bloke's head. I don't see why anyone would look down on him for it or hate him so it's not really a racist thing... It's just kinda..... Thereeeeee

I suppose it's just a somewhat undeniable fact that we have to deny because well.... Fucko

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I feel pretty hard done by being a white guy and not being able to vocalise the rather obvious look alike between Adam Goodes and certain chimps. Has nothing to do with the colour of his skin, it's just the shape of the bloke's head. I don't see why anyone would look down on him for it or hate him so it's not really a racist thing... It's just kinda..... Thereeeeee

I suppose it's just a somewhat undeniable fact that we have to deny because well.... Fucko


I love how many times these sorts of things were (quite rightly) said about Bale in the UK press during his EPL days, I mean yeah obviously there's no racial connotations when a white guy is involved but the double standards are still quite funny.
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Yeah see, when someone has been kicked out of a stadium for being racist to the guy, and the head of a club and TV channel says he looks like a monkey, and then people are still going on about how the whole thing revolves around whether it's racist or not (which I don't think it is, just a poor choice of words by Eddie), then what is it that people are missing?

What exactly has Goodes done wrong?
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I have nothing against him. I know nothing about the guy, other than the fact that when I see him, not a race of people, just him.... I think he looks rather chimp like.
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Eastern Glory wrote:
I have nothing against him. I know nothing about the guy, other than the fact that when I see him, not a race of people, just him.... I think he looks rather chimp like.

He does have a long face and big ears, and he can grow some filthy facial hair
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Have to share this absolute pearl of a call on a fox sports article about the whole war dance issue

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I'd love to see a white player kick a goal, pretend to row to the centre and claim the ground for the empire. See how many years he gets for it


So wrong but so perfect :lol:
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Fredsta wrote:
Eastern Glory wrote:
I feel pretty hard done by being a white guy and not being able to vocalise the rather obvious look alike between Adam Goodes and certain chimps. Has nothing to do with the colour of his skin, it's just the shape of the bloke's head. I don't see why anyone would look down on him for it or hate him so it's not really a racist thing... It's just kinda..... Thereeeeee

I suppose it's just a somewhat undeniable fact that we have to deny because well.... Fucko


I love how many times these sorts of things were (quite rightly) said about Bale in the UK press during his EPL days, I mean yeah obviously there's no racial connotations when a white guy is involved but the double standards are still quite funny.

It's all history. White people were never equated to apes as a parallel to being lesser evolved humans. Darker skinned people very much were. It was a systemic tool to disempower and control people of colour. "You aren't white, ergo you are less than me. You aren't a true human, just a distant relative." You can't call a person of colour ape-like without unconsciously appropriating that historical racial power structure.

It's not Adam Goodes' fault that calling him a monkey is racist, it's not the Aboriginal communities fault for taking offence to it, it's your white grandparents (and their parents, and their parents parents) being racist that's to blame. Your intent has nothing to do with it, the way your words affect others determines whether they are racist or not.

The key to all this is to not get all haughty and defensive when someone says that you have been offensive, being unconsciously offensive doesn't make you a bad person, being informed and then sticking to your position in the face of context is what starts to affect the way your character is judged. There is no harm in saying "Oh, ok, I didn't realise that this affects people, but now I know I won't do it again."

And that is why people trying to defend booing Adam Goodes are rightly being called out.
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Draupnir wrote:
What exactly has Goodes done wrong?


It has been raised plenty of times in here before but in the eyes of opposition supporters he has always been a pretty divisive figure in terms of his on field conduct as there is a real feeling that he is prone to dirty acts off the ball and has a tendency to milk free kicks from umpires. He isn't alone in this but he has always been a player that divides opinions long before the racial element became an issue in the eyes of supporters and the media.

That being said he was never consistently booed like he is now.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:
There are more than 70 Aboriginals in the league, only one is booed on a regular basis. He is a pillock, and deserves any flack received, that is not racially motivated. Booing is not racially motivated.


It seems that Goodes could almost be described as a dirty player which i can understand fans not liking but there are dozens of players like that in the AFL who have to suffer through this shite.

I'm finding it very hard to ignore a racial/cultural conflict that is at play here. The way Goodes is being targeted utterly stinks of people being offended that he won't play the "good Aboriginal role" like he is supposed to at THEIR game unlike the other indigenous players.

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Scoll wrote:
And that is why people trying to defend booing Adam Goodes are rightly being called out.


I don't disagree with anything you said in that post but I just disagree that it is relevant to this situation.

This above quote is a black and white line of thinking being repeatedly jammed down fans' throats by the media and it is the single biggest reason why people are booing Goodes IMHO. I grew up viewing Adam Goodes as one of the dirtiest players in the competition and had several friends over the years who thought the same, whilst none of us have ever felt the need to publicly boo or abuse Goodes for this, it is pretty fucking frustrating to suddenly be told at every step that views you've held for close to a decade are the result of racial prejudice, or the mindless following of a recent trend brought on by a racist mob mentality.

Unfortunately what you've said is true for a minority of fans but Goodes has rightly been a divisive figure throughout his career in the eyes of opposition supporters, he is by no means a saint on the field so to suddenly be told that it's not acceptable to criticize him or that if you defend others who dislike him for quite rational reasons you are contributing to racial prejudice, you can surely see how this is angering rational fans who just plain and simple don't like a prominent, talented and controversial opposition player.

TBH I don't agree with the booing as I feel it has just blown way out of hand and has become a bit of a bandwagon with many people not really understanding what they are doing. But Goodes has never been a saint and this notion that anyone who criticizes him or defends the right to do so has to be called out on it needs to stop, no player is above criticism even if some are doing it for wrong reasons.

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