Comments like that which are blatantly false in the eyes of supporters are not helping people take the matter seriously. Continually being told you're a racist or that you have to play nice to such a talented and divisive opposition figure is never going to end well.

I've hated Goodes for close to a decade now but would never join in a booing campaign because I do think people are just doing it now because they can and because everyone else is. The reality is that there are plenty of others who dislike Goodes who are keeping their mouths shut at the moment, but the more the media reinforces that these sentiments are racially motivated or part of a mob mentality the more likely these people are to join in with the idiots booing at the moment IMHO.

The problem is you are not being told not to boo a prominent, divisive player. You are being asked not to raise the voice of and empower a group of people booing a player they think is sub-human. The vitriol towards Goodes only reached these levels after the race drama, when casual racists took offence to him taking offence to their casual racism. All of a sudden, people who weren't booing him before were loudly and violently booing him because he made them feel bad about themselves. No-one likes people saying they hold opinions they equate with bad people. All of a sudden, those who may have always booed Goodes for being a "dirty player" or simply a talented opponent were bundled into a context they did not support or condone, but drowns out their position.

Sure, it feels like you are having your voice taken away because others are shit people and that isn't fair, but refusing to accept the reason for it and acquiesce to common sense is a slippery slope into becoming one of those shit people. If you want to be able to boo Adam Goodes, organise the majority of the crowd to boo every single Sydney player with the same fervour and vitriol. That won't ever happen though, because not enough people are competitive/mad enough to sustain that level of vocal opposition whereas those that hate Goodes for his stance on white-black relations will gleefully continue to only chime in when he touches the ball.

I just think it's funny that the clubs and afl were pushing for a more vocal and vibrant matchday experience. They get it and now they are telling them to sit down and shut up.

I think people should be allowed to boo and this booing is a cover for a very very small minority of people who are doing it for racial reasons. The vast majority just don't like him. Just like tony liberatore at every game he played... wayne carey, hayden ballentyne, steven kolyniuk... etc etc my main issue is the media made it worse by tarring every supporter worth the same brush... apparently everyone is racist.
Another point.... there should be no indiginous round.
Much like there is no prussian appreciation round for my heritage. We all came here on boats... some just got here a bit earlier.

Is it really a false comment though if that's how the players feel? It's absolutely how the indigenous people at the swans feel.

And I can't have that people are angry at being called racists. They've been told their behaviour is being interpreted as racist, and instead of asking why or thinking of changing their behaviour, they do it more than ever before. Not exactly the actions of people trying to distance themselves from that tag.

I genuinely feel for the people who have always disliked or booed Goodes that are being grouped with these people, but surely they can see nows the time to back off so it's easier to expose the genuine scum amongst the crowd for what they are.

The mass booing we are seeing now didn't start after the Collingwood girl incident where he stood up for his indigenous culture and other indigenous players. In fact, most fans supported him back then. The mass booing of Goodes has only occurred and got worse and worse since he and others publicly claimed and kept on claiming that ALL booing of Goodes is racist. Must just be a coincidence :roll:.

The booing now has a momentum of its own and, as Fredsta says, the more the media, club officials and Goodes himself falsely claim it's ALL racially motivated and inflame the situation then the more fans will join in the booing.

Says it all about those fans. I know if what I did was being interpreted as racist, my reaction wouldn't be to do it even more than before. Really proves they're not racist:roll:

Well according to someone i know they are booing him because and i quote . He doesnt celebrate oz day! And the fact he got oz of the year insted of crawf is another.face it alot of people are booing him for no apparent reason now. Same goes for those who booed striling

The players association has met and have said they will interpret any future booing of Goodes in this manner as racial and will react accordingly. Speculation that will involve both teams agreeing to walk off the field.

The booing of Jobe literally only started the week after he went on the Footy Show and admitted that he had taken AOD-9604.

To be honest I think the idea that Goodes is a dirty player or that he milks free kicks that everyone seems to throwing up now has some racial bias in it too. There are white players such as Angus Monfries & Joel Selwood that stage for/milk free kicks much more than Goodes ever has and they don't get booed. There are white players that do much nastier, dirtier things than Goodes has ever done on the field, such as Steve Johnson or Chris Judd and they don't get booed. If it had been Goodes that elbowed the North Melbourne player in throat earlier this year, instead of Luke Hodge, we'd never hear the end of it but because it's Hodge all is forgotten.

There's players in the A-League that get booed all the time like Archie Thompson and Berisha, no one has called that racist.

Plus isn't Goodes like half aboriginal?

I agree fans should look at their own behaviour but it might also help if Goodes and others within the AFL looked at their own commentary, instead of continuing to make the same broad sweeping false statements that are only inciting the booing to continue like this from the Swans' chairman:

"If you're booing Adam Goodes I've got bad news for you," Pridham told Fairfax Media. "You're a racist."

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/if-you-boo-adam-goodes-youre-a-racist-says-swans-boss-andrew-pridham-20150727-gilc0n.html#ixzz3hFWps8Sh

There are many opposition fans out there that aren't fans of Goodes as a footballer. But apparently, you now can't boo him as doing so means you're a racist :roll:. Who now is inciting whom?

So you get in return reactions like this from opposition fans on forums:



It's now out of control.

This, I've seen this tripe far too many times. White people getting upset that an indigenous man is speaking frankly about genocide and why his community have no interest in celebrating on the date of its commencement.

On the other hand, it's a great way to go about clearing out your Facebook friends.

Edited by melbourne_terrace: 29/7/2015 02:34:29 PM

Yep you see this sort of thing all of the time, I suggested something similar might have been happening with a couple of AU players last week as they seem to cop it harder than others though empirically they weren't really any worse.

I'm not sure it can be made any clearer than it is now. The indigenous community, AFL, players and coaches have come together and said if it continues it will be taken as an act of racism. So any fan who comes out next weekend and boos him for whatever imaginary reason they've come up with in their heads that make him the worst person to have ever played the game, have to accept when they're rightfully labelled racist.

I've gotta say its hard to see the goodes scenario as anything other than racism.
People say the intentions aren't that but when it comes to racism intention isn't the main issue (it would also be hard to call out with being able to read peoples mind)
Its the effect that matters and the system.
My favourite definition of racism is "a system of disadvantage based on race"
The lived experience of an aboriginal even at the elite level is more difficult than an non aboriginal
The lived experience of an aboriginal speaking up about issues regarding his people is more difficult than a non aboriginal in Australia
That's racism as that's the effect and the system. The intentions that cause this on an individual level is academic. If you shot my wife I don't really care what the intentions are the effect is still the same.

I asked yesterday and I've yet to see a report of one thing he's actually done wrong. Someone was racist to him and it affected him, so he's just being himself. If doing a traditional dance makes him racist, well, that's a retarded position and the All Blacks should get rid of the haka.

They've been booed consistently, and in step with all other players regardless of race. Has not increased as a result of a racial incident, and isn't of a level different to the treatment of white/aussie players. Don't see the connection to this scenario at all.


So he should only be half offended? What a stupid comment.

No not at all.

But you can't claim to be full aboriginal and ignore your other heritage.

It's giving advantage to one race over the other.

I just blew your mind.

I would like to thank Griffin McMaster for the best comedy effort today. Imagine being a white descendent of British/UK heritage and telling an Aboriginal man that if he doesn't like Australia he should leave.

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 29/7/2015 04:21:05 PM

There's really no such thing as "half aboriginal". Either you're aboriginal or you're not.

If it was race based then why aren't any of the other 60-70 indigenous players in the AFL being booed.

No, you're just a bit stupid :lol:

99 Problems nails it. If you have aboriginal heritage, and identify as aboriginal, you get to call yourself aboriginal.

:roll:

Because those players don't challenge the white assumptions of how an indigenous player should act, nor are there convenient excuses to mask racial reasons for booing those players.

If it isn't race based, why is he being booed louder and by more people after taking a stand against racism?

What annoys me is that people are now saying fuck it we're not racists but fuck goodes the coon. What saddens me is that people i know say goodes should suck it up are the sames ones who post up fuck reclaim australia

That's interesting because IMO there are a lot of people shitting on Reclaim Australia for reasons they don't quite understand and because it's a popular thing to do too. I'm not trying to stick up for RA but some of the shit I have seen posted about them on social media makes me think a lot of people have NFI and are just jumping to the bandwagon there, just like people booing Goodes. I think it says a lot about how easily these people you know fall for trends tbh.

not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread already, but the spear throwing dance that pretty much reignited the goodes hate bandwagon has only been around for 2 years and was made for the U/18 indigenous rep side so most people had never seen it before which made it 10x worse than what it was

Well i know some people who misread r.a as a protecting australia from invasion. Invasion from what i have no clue.

Even 99 problems as a devout Swans fan would agree that Goodes has never exactly been a saint throughout his career and is a player that many opposition supporters have disliked over the years. The reality is that prior to the last year or so when all this racist stuff happened he was still regarded by many as one of the dirtier players in the comps, he was booed on occassion but there was never a campaign of hate like he has currently directed at him.

I know you don't follow or even come across AFL news often but I'll try and explain to you the honest reasons why I don't like Adam Goodes, but before they get picked a part for what ever reasons I will state that I have never and will never support or participate in booing him. Basically I don't like Adam Goodes because I think his on field demeanor comes across as dickish quite often, I think he is a very dirty off the ball player, I think he whinges to umpires too often, I think he's a bloody good player and I've seen him play some bloody good games against my club, I've also seen him bruise so many of my favourite players over the years with his knees. These are opinions I've had for close to a decade now, these are not traits that are unique to his game or things that justify mass public vilification but IMHO those reasons are plenty enough to justify disliking him. At the end of the day I also know that if he did all those things I listed for my club that he'd probably be one of my favourite players, but he doesn't so he isn't.

Also if it's not clear in that post, he's not the only player I dislike for those reasons but I just think he's the sort of player and person that you just can't love unless they represent your own team, which is why I fully respect 99 problems' passionate defence of his man but also just can't agree that fans should be forced to show him respect.

Alot of people just don't make the connection between his heritage and his actions on the field. He's just another player that happens to act like an idiot on the field. People always seem to forget that he used to be lauded for what a great player he was. He got older and slowed and the dirty tactics came into his game.
Like i stated earlier tony liberatore would be booed incessantly. Hayden ballentyne will cop it when he plays. Milne copped it Way worse than goodes ever has.

Its a lost cause. racism is wrong but supporters should be able to boo/support a play with the assumption that they are booing/supporting on non-racist grounds but once one person does it everyone is tarred with the same brush. What happens when the next white player is booed and someone in the crowd is of Asian/aboriginal/african heritage. Is this racism and do we tell everyone to sit dorm and shut up again?