Mister Football
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Latest financial results for the two WA teams for 2012, together they come to almost $100 million in revenues: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/afl/16049961/wa-footys-10-million-cash-cows/
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Krackovich
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So, Essendon have been using performance enhancing drugs...
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afromanGT
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Krackovich wrote:So, Essendon have been using performance enhancing drugs... I can't wait until the AFL bring in HGH testing.
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Mister Football
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Something is brewing.
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afromanGT
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Mister Football wrote:Something is brewing. I think a few 'elite' players will suffer a serious drop back into the pack.
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Mister Football
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afromanGT wrote:Mister Football wrote:Something is brewing. I think a few 'elite' players will suffer a serious drop back into the pack. If it's bad enough (and I really don't know what the story is at the moment) Essendon might have to go without a full list of experienced players for two seasons. That would be sad.
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Krackovich
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Definitely interesting to see how this pans out, could put a big asterisk next to the 2012 Brownlow Medal.
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Mister Football
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James Hird reckons he is very disappointed and shocked.
I'm not sure if that's because of the supplements his players are taking or because someone suggested he needs some botox.
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Krackovich
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-facing-afl-investigation/story-e6frexx0-1226570861343A former Essendon player said this earlier: "From what they were saying, it was right on the borderline of what they were going to give us," he said. SuperFooty: It is believed the Dons were asked to sign a waiver before allegedly taking injections, but we'll know more soon.
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Mister Football
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Gerard Whately says: "This is not just serious for the Essendon, FC, it is serious for the game as a whole".
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afromanGT
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Mister Football wrote:James Hird reckons he is very disappointed and shocked.
I'm not sure if that's because of the supplements his players are taking or because someone suggested he needs some botox. The idea that James Hird wasn't complicit with this is absurd. He's the head coach.
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As a passionate Essendon member, I will actually cry if this is proven true.
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Funky Munky
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Krackovich wrote:Definitely interesting to see how this pans out, could put a big asterisk next to the 2012 Brownlow Medal. Sounds like Jobe was one of only 3 to opt out of taking whatever it is they were given.
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Mister Football
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Funky Munky wrote:Krackovich wrote:Definitely interesting to see how this pans out, could put a big asterisk next to the 2012 Brownlow Medal. Sounds like Jobe was one of only 3 to opt out of taking whatever it is they were given. That's interesting, but it begs the question: if someone was offering "supplements", surely someone with half a brain was checking out whatever was in the so-called "supplements", and if the captain was opting out, why weren't alarm bells ringing to at least make sure they were on firm ground?
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afromanGT
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Mister Football wrote:Funky Munky wrote:Krackovich wrote:Definitely interesting to see how this pans out, could put a big asterisk next to the 2012 Brownlow Medal. Sounds like Jobe was one of only 3 to opt out of taking whatever it is they were given. That's interesting, but it begs the question: if someone was offering "supplements", surely someone with half a brain was checking out whatever was in the so-called "supplements", and if the captain was opting out, why weren't alarm bells ringing to at least make sure they were on firm ground? This is why I refuse to believe that Hird wasn't aware of what was going on.
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MVFCSouthEnder wrote:As a passionate Essendon member, I will actually cry if this is proven true. You and me both.
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Mister Football
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afromanGT wrote:Mister Football wrote:Funky Munky wrote:Krackovich wrote:Definitely interesting to see how this pans out, could put a big asterisk next to the 2012 Brownlow Medal. Sounds like Jobe was one of only 3 to opt out of taking whatever it is they were given. That's interesting, but it begs the question: if someone was offering "supplements", surely someone with half a brain was checking out whatever was in the so-called "supplements", and if the captain was opting out, why weren't alarm bells ringing to at least make sure they were on firm ground? This is why I refuse to believe that Hird wasn't aware of what was going on. I'm thinking that they have dabbled in something half-way dodgy, but were assured it was on the ok side - just - however, even if that is true, it's a black mark on Saint James' record.
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Edited by justafan: 5/2/2013 10:45:26 PM
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Funky Munky
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For extra lolz, I suggest you all go to the Bombers website, and have a look at their slogan for this season :lol:.
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notorganic
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Can someone give me the abbreviated version of what's happening at Essendon?
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Funky Munky
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notorganic wrote:Can someone give me the abbreviated version of what's happening at Essendon? -Players were given "Supplements" during last season -Club apparently knew this was borderline as they asked the players to sign waivers before agreeing to take whatever -Club has now discovered that what the players were taking, may infact be illegal/against ASADA rules, etc. -Asked the AFL and ASADA to investigate. -Their former head of Sports Science (Sacked end of last year) may have known the true extent of what they were being given, but did it anyway behind the backs of the rest of the coaches. I think that's pretty much it.
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Funky Munky wrote:For extra lolz, I suggest you all go to the Bombers website, and have a look at their slogan for this season :lol:. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Funky Munky
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Also, apparently the Sports Science staff took the players away from Club facilities when they were administering these substances.
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Quote:He's the mystery man who made a name for himself with innovative sports science methods including delving into the genetic build-up of players. Stephen Dank would research the DNA of star NRL players to help structure their training programs. He worked at Manly with Dean "The Weapon" Robinson before the pair reunited at Windy Hill. But 2012 didn't go to plan and Dank was a quick casualty. The club and Dank parted company late last year. The Weapon has been stood down by the club pending the investigation from the AFL and ASADA. Most of us had not heard of Dank before the Essendon press conference, and while it is not known if he is linked to the current investigation, let's find out more about him... WHO IS STEPHEN DANK? - A physiologist from Sydney who became known in Australia’s sporting landscape a decade ago, when working for NRL outfit Manly Sea Eagles - Dank grabbed headlines in 2004 when, working for NRL club Manly, he pioneered testing players’ DNA to increase performance. - This allowed Manly to tailor speed, power, weight and endurance programs to suit the make-up of their stars. - In 2008 Dank put it on the record that he did not do media interviews - Dank was known to work with calves’ blood, altitude training machines, while his DNA program made Manly global pioneers - Dank worked closely with Manly coach Dessie Hassler before joining Essendon - Dank was sacked from the Bombers at the end of last season amid the fallout from the injury epidemic and Essendon’s dramatic demise in the second half of the year - It is believed Dank has since taken up a role at a different AFL club.
Read more: http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl-premiership/the-sports-science-guru-at-centre-of-doping-investigation-worked-for-manly-during-title-winning-year/story-fn2mcuj6-1226571148467#ixzz2K2GshF5x
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afromanGT
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Funky Munky wrote:Also, apparently the Sports Science staff took the players away from Club facilities when they were administering these substances. This is what makes me suspicious/angry about Hird's position in all of this. His 'derp, I didn't know' is absolute bullshit. Quote:Stephen Dank would research the DNA of star NRL players to help structure their training programs. If observing NFL coaching in recent years has taught me anything it's that this means "we administered HGH to develop key players". Quote:For extra lolz, I suggest you all go to the Bombers website, and have a look at their slogan for this season Whatever they takes.
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Mister Football
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Justafan wrote:
Edited by justafan: 5/2/2013 10:45:26 PM
Why did you delete what you wrote?
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Funky Munky
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afromanGT wrote:Funky Munky wrote:Also, apparently the Sports Science staff took the players away from Club facilities when they were administering these substances. This is what makes me suspicious/angry about Hird's position in all of this. His 'derp, I didn't know' is absolute bullshit. I don't think he didn't know they were being given stuff, I think he just didn't know what it was. This sorta thing is fairly new to the AFL, and I have a feeling he and the rest of the coaching staff trusted whatever Dank and the rest of the Sports Science crew said they were doing.
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They had a horror run with injuries last season that was just borderline ridiculous, you'd have to think these 'supplements' may have been a key part of that.
TBH I'd rather a drug cheating Bombers side in the AFL than a wiped out weak as piss list for two years, having GWS and the Suns is bad enough without having such a traditionally great club made non competitive, and this is coming from a Collingwood supporter.
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Mister Football
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Fredsta wrote:They had a horror run with injuries last season that was just borderline ridiculous, you'd have to think these 'supplements' may have been a key part of that.
TBH I'd rather a drug cheating Bombers side in the AFL than a wiped out weak as piss list for two years, having GWS and the Suns is bad enough without having such a traditionally great club made non competitive, and this is coming from a Collingwood supporter. Yes, I remember the chatter last year about a new training regime that was wreaking havoc with soft tissue injuries, but I thought that was about physical, weight-bearing training as opposed to "supplements". A picture is emerging that the bombers were dabbling in something called "peptides" which were borderline legal. From what I understand of the reading I've done, much of it is inert and relatively ineffective, while others are approaching the threshold of being illegal. Furthermore, the composition can vary from batch to batch (which sounds pretty dangerous). So two questions emerge for me: 1. How do they determine whether whatever it is they took last year breached the threshold; and 2. If the bombers thought they were under the threshold at all times, why are they coming out so publicly with sullen faces, calling in ASADA to investigate?
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Justafan
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The biggest concern for me is that the club are injecting young players with a unknown substance and then no one even knows what was in these injections. I find this very disturbing particularly if I was a parent of a potential up and coming AFL player. This is a big breach of trust in my books.
Reminds me of a story from a friend of mine from a European country who married and moved here a few years ago, who was a up and coming cyclist in Europe in mid to late 1990s riding for a professional team. He told me he quit because they started injecting them with substances that he did know what they were, just told to take them.
Sport is losing its way.
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