Joffa but what if i had for you 8 clubs that could support themselves in a pro comp with half the salary cap of the a-league, what would you say to that?

Name the clubs

Edited by joffa: 24/1/2011 08:08:33 PM

THESE Clubs could run a budget at $2m per annum is that enough your majesty?

Name the clubs

ok so we got 8 clubs, that could run $2m budgets, they would need to be able to get 4-6k crowds and would have to have own stadiums or good long term deals, must be bale to get $500k a year in sponsorship.

What type of media coverage would there be final questions before i name

name the clubs

Clubs that meet the criteria are:

South Melbourne FC
Marconi Stallions FC
Sydney United FC
Melbourne Knights FC
Wollongong Wolves FC
Sydney Olympic FC
Brisbane Strikers

Now there all the clubs rip roar and ready to go but for the 8th you could test a:

Canberra, Gippsland, Geelong, Second Adeliade team, etc

You said you had 8 clubs, and yet you have only named 7, could you please name the eighth club.



Edited by joffa: 24/1/2011 08:57:26 PM

BWE

Bonnyrigg White Eagles.

So you're saying that these 8 teams could survive in a pro comp on half the salary cap of the A-League...

South Melbourne FC
Marconi Stallions FC
Sydney United FC
Melbourne Knights FC
Wollongong Wolves FC
Sydney Olympic FC
Brisbane Strikers
Bonnyrigg White Eagles.

My question to you is...what would be the point?

Edited by joffa: 24/1/2011 10:08:13 PM

100%

we are you joffa?

you cant have EVERY club in australia involved the cup would take 10 years to get to the final.....premier league and super league is enough...............

I'm not so sure about that, although I do take your point, still I would like to see it open to all....at least as many as practical.

I'm still waiting for you to answer my question.

i gave you 8 clubs whats your question???

should we not start by making the a-league have teams from u12s and up. Also introducing a reserve league wouldn't be bad so the youth league players can say just be u20s or 18s. Then the players coming back from injury or not picked in the squad that are not under that age play in the reserves.The FFA cup is a very good idea and i would like to see teams from all across Australia. The there is the question of an FFA Youth Cup.

The FA Cup Has every Club in England

yeah but you can drive from one end of england to the other in a matter of hours, try that in australia

From todays Advertiser:

Not a bad effort from the FFA, but it would be nice if HAL clubs were not exempt from paying training development fees and also it would be nice if the fee within Australia was higher.

The Draw would of course be regionalised for early rounds. But how many soccer clubs are there in Australia anyway? Dose any one have figures for this?

Around 400, IIRC.

So in comparision. 2009-10 FA Cup had 762 entrants Base on the populations of England and Australia, this would equate to around 330 for an Australia cup. Thus a FFA Could be done in 9 or 10 Rounds.

Joffa you ran away???

No way only 400. There's close to 200 clubs in the FFV alone, and that doesn't include amateur teams, Geelong, Gippsland, Goulburn Valley, Ballarat and the half dozen clubs from the Sunraysia league and everyone else I've forgotten.

There's 108 top-flight clubs, if you count the HAL.

Tier one: HAL (10)
T2: NSWPL (12), VPL (12)
T3: QSL (11), WAPL (12), SAPL (10)
T4: NNSWPL (8), ACTPL (10), Tas (north + south - 19), NT (north + central - 14)

RIGHT! So here's my magical FFA Cup plan!
Each state league plays off amongst themselves in unseeded, knock-out tournaments.

The following amount of places shall be given to each state league:

NSWPL - 6
VPL - 6

QSL - 2
WAPL - 2
SAPL - 2
NNSWPL - 2
TAS (combined) - 2

ACTPL - 1
NT (combined) - 1

This makes a 24-team pool, representative (in my opinion) of the strength of each respective league.

These 24 teams then play against each other, again in unseeded one-leg knockout matches, with the games to be played at the smaller of the two stadia, regardless of the teams' relative strengths or histories.

Over two rounds, this 24-team pool is reduced to 6 teams.

At this point, the 10 Australian A-League teams enter the competition, raising the number of teams to 16, and producing an even number of teams going towards the final. From this, there are four further matches in order to win the FFA Cup.

From this formula, there are two major issue raised: one, being the length of the tournament for clubs in the state leagues outside the NSWPL and VPL; and two, the timing of each round, as well as the semi finals and final.

In developing this tournament model, I was fully aware of the disparity between the Cup runs of teams from ACT and the NT compared to the NSWPL and VPL. As the two major state leagues in Australia, NSW and Victoria are clearly the second tier of football. They have produced the majority of NSL winners, and are home to the largest and wealthiest clubs. Because of this, they deserve to be rewarded with more preliminary places in the FFA Cup, from which teams in these competitions can further engage with the FFA and modern mainstream football community.

In regards to the amount of games played by each team to reach the final, it will obviously be harder for smaller clubs in outer leagues to make the final rounds of the competition: teams such as those in Canberra or Darwin would be playing in 11 games if they were to reach the final. My reasoning for this nuance is that for a club to pay for travel all over the country seven times for upwards of 20 people would be a huge toll on the club and the FFA's finances. If only one club from Canberra and the NT have to venture on this odyssey, it limits the spending of less well-off clubs such as those mentioned.

Similarly, as FNSW is well-known for it's financial standing, funding ventures of this magnitude for the six teams that qualify to the second preliminary section would not be an issue. As well as drawing funding from their governing body, the six clubs would be somewhat self-sufficient and could pay the majority of their own transport and accomodation costs.

Relating to the second point of contention - the timing of the tournament - I foresee the sectional knockout rounds being played from April to August, and the second preliminary fixtures being played from August into October. This would allow a flow-on effect, with interest piquing as the A-League season commences.

The next four rounds would be played as such:
Round of 16 - 2nd week of November
Round of 8 - last weekend of November
Semi final - first weekend of January
Final - weekend BEFORE Australia Day

Playing the final on Australia Day so early would be foolish, as Australians are wrapped up in their pseudo-love of cricket on our National Day. In time, moving the fixture to Australia Day would be feasible, but would only be advised after several successful seasons of this competition.