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Judy Free wrote:krones3 wrote:Judy Free wrote:krones3 wrote:I saw another selection where 2 kids who can not control the ball at all were selected over a good many better applicants. Raw talent? I've selected many kids like this over the years who (with hard work, dedication and good coaching) turned out to be considerably better youth prospects than the porky jugglers dressed in barca replicas. Coaches of junior rep teams are not always looking for the finished product, krones. Edited by judy free: 14/6/2011 11:05:33 AM Sorry chips I forgot to mention the 2 boys were U15’s not U10,s I think their skill level is what it is and will never improve. Do these two kids lack athleticism by any chance? No one in particular is – was super fast. Once he was selected for another comp when he went into camp the coaches thought his selection was a practical joke.
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krones3 wrote:Judy Free wrote:krones3 wrote:I saw another selection where 2 kids who can not control the ball at all were selected over a good many better applicants. Raw talent? I've selected many kids like this over the years who (with hard work, dedication and good coaching) turned out to be considerably better youth prospects than the porky jugglers dressed in barca replicas. Coaches of junior rep teams are not always looking for the finished product, krones. Edited by judy free: 14/6/2011 11:05:33 AM Sorry chips I forgot to mention the 2 boys were U15’s not U10,s I think their skill level is what it is and will never improve. Do these two kids lack athleticism by any chance?
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krones3
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As for the U10s who did not get selected and the ones who did. Tonight I did a little test I explained a faint to the kids I then demonstrated it I then got them to do it one at a time and then asked them to practice it in pairs and alone. The ones who got selected diligently practiced it the one who has superior skills bludged and acted non shallot about the whole exercise. Hmm wonder if that is his problem.
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Judy Free wrote:krones3 wrote:I saw another selection where 2 kids who can not control the ball at all were selected over a good many better applicants. Raw talent? I've selected many kids like this over the years who (with hard work, dedication and good coaching) turned out to be considerably better youth prospects than the porky jugglers dressed in barca replicas. Coaches of junior rep teams are not always looking for the finished product, krones. Edited by judy free: 14/6/2011 11:05:33 AM Sorry chips I forgot to mention the 2 boys were U15’s not U10,s I think their skill level is what it is and will never improve.
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i give up
Edited by sasha: 14/6/2011 12:57:16 PM
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oops sorry
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Judy Free
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krones3 wrote:I saw another selection where 2 kids who can not control the ball at all were selected over a good many better applicants. Raw talent? I've selected many kids like this over the years who (with hard work, dedication and good coaching) turned out to be considerably better youth prospects than the porky jugglers dressed in barca replicas. Coaches of junior rep teams are not always looking for the finished product, krones. Edited by judy free: 14/6/2011 11:05:33 AM
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I did the skills test No real surprises, recommended the 6 highest players for rep trials 3 where selected 1 had to pull out through injury the 2 who scored the highest in the skills test did not make it through the selection.
One theory I have is that the kids who can do all the skills with a certain amount of (would you say agitated appearance) look like they are more committed than the players who can do the same things with a flowing non hurried calm demeanor. IMO the later ones will maintain technique under pressure whilst the others may fail under pressure I will not know for a number of years.
Once again I say the selectors decide what the coaches will produce and whilst it is not an easy job it is the most important job in football. I saw another selection where 2 kids who can not control the ball at all were selected over a good many better applicants. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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Decentric wrote:Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:12 years coaching experience. Primary and infants school teams. You admitted this many times only a few short years ago (just prior to you hopping onto the knvb bandwagon). Why are you now trying to rewrite your past? Why do you continue to pretend to be something you are clearly not? Decentric wrote:26 years teaching experience. And that, in a nutshell, is the extent of your sporting experience. Why else would you feel the need to mention it. 9 years coaching primary teams in Tasmania and Kuwait. Thank you for finally coming clean to the good people of 442. Edited by judy free: 30/5/2011 05:06:05 PM
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Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:12 years coaching experience. Primary and infants school teams. You admitted this many times only a few short years ago (just prior to you hopping onto the knvb bandwagon). Why are you now trying to rewrite your past? Why do you continue to pretend to be something you are clearly not? Decentric wrote:26 years teaching experience. And that, in a nutshell, is the extent of your sporting experience. Why else would you feel the need to mention it. 9 years coaching primary teams in Tasmania and Kuwait.They represented their school club in in inter- school /club competition. 2 various women's teams over a year. 1 coaching a rep team for a year. I have coached this year. What is your problem? You did exactly the same to Aussiesrus/ASA. You did the same to Brazilian Soccer Schools/Simon Clifford. You do the same to Berger, Baan, Verbeek, Duut, Versleijen, and probably Holger soon. You do the same to Sydney FC. You do the same to nearly every football coach mentioned in Australia. Why are you so concerned and waste so much time and energy trying to discredit people? Why not take my/our training ground practices at face value and criticise them if they, and I, am such a fraud? I am not coming to NSW to try and take your job with whichever organisation you work for. ](*,)
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Decentric wrote:12 years coaching experience. Primary and infants school teams. You admitted this many times only a few short years ago (just prior to you hopping onto the knvb bandwagon). Why are you now trying to rewrite your past? Why do you continue to pretend to be something you are clearly not? Decentric wrote:26 years teaching experience. And that, in a nutshell, is the extent of your sporting experience. Why else would you feel the need to mention it.
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Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:A coach always needs different stimulii to present to players in a different way to prevent boredom. That's a problem only encountered by the totally inexperienced, much like yourself. 12 years coaching experience. 26 years teaching experience. My FFE co-coach C, also has 35 years coaching experience in football. Why then is the state TD, a former young Socceroo captain, former NSL player of 6 years, after observing a session taken by coach C and myself, actively promoting FFE as sound practice then? Why is the state FFA TD circumventing FFA edicts to forge a partnership with FFE? Why would another coach who played for Egypt and AEK Athens be keen to coach with coach C and me at FFE? Why is the most senior media football writer in the state, who has played college football in the USA and trialled professionally in England, an A Licence holder, has coached premier league clubs for 20 years, and who has put me into contact with a number of former Socceroo coaches and Asian senior international coaches, be so supportive of the FFE project then? Once they see what I, or any other coach with 26 years classroom experience and KNVB training, does on the training track, they evaluate it and see some benefit. They've also seen me field any number of criticisms from pseudo-anonymous posters, like you, some highly qualified and elite practitioners, in the state football media, when I've used my own name, all in the cause of FFE, then responded to them. They must be satisfied with the responses. ](*,) Mods, site admin, can't you see this guy is an obsessive stalker and troller, trying to see everybody as frauds!!!!! Edited by Decentric: 30/5/2011 04:01:51 PM
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Well there yer go, I tried to be nice.
As I said, you are free to join the axis of stupidity at your leisure.
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Judy Free wrote:KiwiChick1 wrote:And I think you really need to stop basing the majority of your posts around trying to insult Decentric :) Dear kiwichick, I do this out of mercy for any unsuspecting wet-behind-the-ears would-be coaches that might stumble across this good forum. Look, tbh, I'd be far more appreciative of his work if he, like, had more than a cupla years of organising the little lunch kickabouts in the primary school playground. But of course you are free to gobble up his esoteric text book waffle as much as you like - makes two fifths of sfa diff to me. Dear judyfree, it's still unnecessary and makes you look bitter and stupid. If you have better ideas than him, I would suggest that you share them with everyone, instead of trying to tear down the ideas that someone else puts forward. How do you know what kind of experience he's had? I'm guessing you probably don't. And if you don't give a fuck about people reading and taking in all his advice, then why do you spend so long trolling? Edited by KiwiChick1: 30/5/2011 02:45:40 p.m.
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KiwiChick1 wrote:And I think you really need to stop basing the majority of your posts around trying to insult Decentric :) Dear kiwichick, I do this out of mercy for any unsuspecting wet-behind-the-ears would-be coaches that might stumble across this good forum. Look, tbh, I'd be far more appreciative of his work if he, like, had more than a cupla years of organising the little lunch kickabouts in the primary school playground. But of course you are free to gobble up his esoteric text book waffle as much as you like - makes two fifths of sfa diff to me.
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Judy Free wrote:KiwiChick1 wrote:Judy Free wrote:KiwiChick1 wrote:Because everyone else in the world wouldn't get bored of doing the same thing all the time? Well, as the holder of the clipboard, that's your choice to present the "same thing all the time". Session planning, much? Exactly, that's what I'm saying, and that's what Decentric was saying too. You just implied that players only get bored of doing the same thing, because of the coach that they have, and that even if they were doing the same thing with a different coach, it wouldn't be boring. I think your comprehension skills are in need of a little WD40. And I think you really need to stop basing the majority of your posts around trying to insult Decentric :)
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KiwiChick1 wrote:Judy Free wrote:KiwiChick1 wrote:Because everyone else in the world wouldn't get bored of doing the same thing all the time? Well, as the holder of the clipboard, that's your choice to present the "same thing all the time". Session planning, much? Exactly, that's what I'm saying, and that's what Decentric was saying too. You just implied that players only get bored of doing the same thing, because of the coach that they have, and that even if they were doing the same thing with a different coach, it wouldn't be boring. I think your comprehension skills are in need of a little WD40.
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Judy Free wrote:KiwiChick1 wrote:Because everyone else in the world wouldn't get bored of doing the same thing all the time? Well, as the holder of the clipboard, that's your choice to present the "same thing all the time". Session planning, much? Exactly, that's what I'm saying, and that's what Decentric was saying too. You just implied that players only get bored of doing the same thing, because of the coach that they have, and that even if they were doing the same thing with a different coach, it wouldn't be boring.
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KiwiChick1 wrote:Because everyone else in the world wouldn't get bored of doing the same thing all the time? Well, as the holder of the clipboard, that's your choice to present the "same thing all the time". Session planning, much?
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Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:A coach always needs different stimulii to present to players in a different way to prevent boredom. That's a problem only encountered by the totally inexperienced, much like yourself. Because everyone else in the world wouldn't get bored of doing the same thing all the time? I coach kids, and the idea of it is to mix things up to keep the interest in training, not just playing.
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Decentric wrote:A coach always needs different stimulii to present to players in a different way to prevent boredom. That's a problem only encountered by the totally inexperienced, much like yourself.
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krones3 wrote: No you are wrong[-x [-x [-x
As a teacher it is often useful to use objective criteria to appraise students. I've never applied a skills acquisition test, but I would be interested to see the findings compared to what I thought of a player in match scenarios. If and when I start to coach any players for two to three times per week, I will set one up to evaluate those players. A coach always needs different stimulii to present to players in a different way to prevent boredom. I have a feeling the state FFA assistant TD may be doing some skills acquisition assessment on players who will play up or down a few years in age group.
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Judy Free wrote:krones3 wrote:Judy Free wrote:spathi wrote:You know what Judy ? GFU, your just a troll that has nothing to to offer only bullshit for bullshits sake. So as I said earlier GFU FWIW, WTF is a GFU? If you are unable to see the funny side of d's middle aged juggling efforts then I'm afraid there's little hope for you. :lol: But back on topic; skills tests are good for coaches/selectors with zero ability to put a value on the true worth and/or potential of a group of players in a game situation. No you are wrong[-x [-x [-x Why am I wrong? Coaches and selectors are human and choose players for non football related issues. Even you do.
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krones3 wrote:Judy Free wrote:spathi wrote:You know what Judy ? GFU, your just a troll that has nothing to to offer only bullshit for bullshits sake. So as I said earlier GFU FWIW, WTF is a GFU? If you are unable to see the funny side of d's middle aged juggling efforts then I'm afraid there's little hope for you. :lol: But back on topic; skills tests are good for coaches/selectors with zero ability to put a value on the true worth and/or potential of a group of players in a game situation. No you are wrong[-x [-x [-x Why am I wrong?
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Judy Free wrote:spathi wrote:You know what Judy ? GFU, your just a troll that has nothing to to offer only bullshit for bullshits sake. So as I said earlier GFU FWIW, WTF is a GFU? If you are unable to see the funny side of d's middle aged juggling efforts then I'm afraid there's little hope for you. :lol: But back on topic; skills tests are good for coaches/selectors with zero ability to put a value on the true worth and/or potential of a group of players in a game situation. No you are wrong[-x [-x [-x
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spathi wrote:You know what Judy ? GFU, your just a troll that has nothing to to offer only bullshit for bullshits sake. So as I said earlier GFU FWIW, WTF is a GFU? If you are unable to see the funny side of d's middle aged juggling efforts then I'm afraid there's little hope for you. :lol: But back on topic; skills tests are good for coaches/selectors with zero ability to put a value on the true worth and/or potential of a group of players in a game situation.
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Judy Free wrote:Decentric wrote:I did little juggling when I was a kid.
I only started at 44.
I am very inconsistent as a juggler. I have juggled over 80 times, but can easily score below 5. Is this the same for others?
I think kids would need about 10 attempts for a juggling assessment.
Edited by Decentric: 25/5/2011 12:06:09 AM And the lols just keep on rolling in. Bless ya, mate. :lol: You know what Judy ? GFU, your just a troll that has nothing to to offer only bullshit for bullshits sake. So as I said earlier GFU
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Decentric wrote:I did little juggling when I was a kid.
I only started at 44.
I am very inconsistent as a juggler. I have juggled over 80 times, but can easily score below 5. Is this the same for others?
I think kids would need about 10 attempts for a juggling assessment.
Edited by Decentric: 25/5/2011 12:06:09 AM And the lols just keep on rolling in. Bless ya, mate. :lol:
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krones3 wrote: One problem with skills tests is the set up time. I ran an extra training session to facilitate it.
If I coach a team for a sustained period in the future, I intend to do these tests. Usually I rely on appraising players' performances in match scenarios, even though mentally noting what they can do in isolated technique exercises. When one coaches a team a lot, different training ground exercises are important to sustain interest, particularly with Generation Y and younger. In terms of setting up, I usually like to arrive at a ground 25 minutes before sessions start, to lay out cones and poles in all grids for the exercises in the training session. This is so players simply move from one training ground routine to another without interruption, apart from having drinks. There is far less opportunity for time wasting behaviour. Edited by Decentric: 26/5/2011 10:38:12 AM
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dirkvanadidas wrote:i have looked at the sap sessions, the players are average at isolated drills and even worse when it comes to game related problem solving, they need the answer given to them. Skills test for recruiting freestylers. games are used for players as they need to show an understanding of the principles of attack and principles of defence, most can do either the ones you select can do both . That is not what I found. The kids who did best in the test are the ones who are the most intelligent on the field. I would suggest you test as a prerequisite for trials.
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