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silent gas dirigible wrote:
It may also come down to what Fox Sports vision is for their business; if they want to go down the OneHD route and develop/maintain a low cost high return model, then obviously the on-the-nose-all-of-a-sudden A League will get the bullet and we can look forward to a summer of World Series Classics and reruns of all the notable NRL and AFL games that have taken place the previous winter. And this would presumably please many people, including the array of HAL death riders we have on this forum.
On the other hand, if they are getting even a moderate return on their relatively meagre investment of $17M per year then the worst case scenario might be a renewal of the deal with no increase in dollars per year. (And I'm sure someone will be posting the evidence soon that FS are not getting any returns, which is fine)
If they want to continue to position themselves as a network/venture that promotes/features exclusive and live content over the summer months (even if it is the despised and derided A League), then presumably they'll be interested in keeping the game afloat until this equation changes one way or the other.
Gee, you've been quite a victim. Need any first aid? Perhaps an antiseptic swab, bandaids and Panadol?
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fkn skeptic, still butthurt that the nsl is gone for good? i really dont get why the only bad things you have to say about the aleague is that the attendances are shit and so are the ratings. would you like a blast to the past? the nsl averaged 3900 in its first season in 1977 compared the the aleagues first season which averaged 11628 4300 in the second compared to the aleagues second which averaged 14025 4250 in the third compared to the aleagues second which averaged 15348 in season 7 of the nsl the average attendance was 3000 compared to the aleages so far average 11090 and finally after 27 seasons of the nsl and a total of about 26 defunct teams (sorry if im wrong but its hard to keep count) the average attendances were a whopping 4181. i dont really know what the attendances are in 2032 but how about i get back to you on that so how about you fuck off until then.
And as for ratings, i tried really hard to find the ratings for the nsl and pretty much all of the articles said they didnt really exist so compare that to the aleagues ratings now and its hard to complain although you still do.
All you do is tell aleague fans to live in the real world, ironic.
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What started this dribble from all the precious dears, the comment below? Quote:The shine has well and truly worn off Harry and MV's ratings. They have continued slipping for a while now. Well, sunshine, way back when this season started there was a lot of interest in seeing if MV's ratings kept up with Harry recruited, or if they'd drop away when the novelty dissipated. Well, if after the 4th month they are less than half of the first months ratings, i'd say yes. However, precious little fucking darling like you, skirt, might get upset if someone wispers, "Psssttt, the shine has well and truly worn off Harry and MV's ratings. They have continued slipping for a while now. But, hey, keep it to yourself will ya, just in case you upset some darling with a weak stomach and ears that burn on hearing anything not solid, optimistic praise." Now we've proved what a criminal i am, what a damn pity the nsl crowds have no relevance to today's aleague crowds other than reminiscing and dick measuring. What a pity Fox don't value the aleague based on ratings far, far superior to the limited and poor showing of the nsl telecast. And what a pity aleague owners don't base they're aleague club balance sheet on a comparison to past NSL club crowds, NSL club income and NSL broadcast dollars. Wouldn't it be whoopidy fucking do if they could. She'd be Jake mate. But guess what, skirt? We have to live in the real world, dammit. (seems i've heard that mentioned recently) You're paranoid about the nsl. Get over it. And if you don't like what you see in the ratings, just yell and i'll delete every damn post i've made in the past and post nothing in the future. Just in case it hurts your precious eyes, darling. Then you can post a weekly aleague ratings comparison with the NSL. Sounds like an exiting venture, doesn't it?
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What we do know is that year after year the A-Leagues Pay TV ratings have in the main been increasing, we also know that Foxtel have in the past been keen to secure the A-League to another deal...it really doesn't matter what the BBL does or whether MV's ratings have slid this season...what really matters is that Fox and the FFA are happy with the sustainable growth the A-Leagues ratings appear to be delivering.
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Didn't realise the BBL was doing so well. It's so god damned tacky!!!!! I got dragged to one and hated it.
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Regardless of what the BBL does with tv viewers, it's a 4-6 weeks competition. It does not fill in the 6 months of the year when the AFL and NRL are not on, and it never will. Also, most people including Shane Warne are calling for the BBL to be shorter, as it interferes with the dates of the most important part of the sport, test matches. The BBL has had a cracking season, no doubt, but I don't think these figures will be sustained after another season or two, when their honeymoon season is over. Sure they may still be higher than the A-league's, but it is what it is. The A-league meanwhile has grown TV audiences over the 7 years, although coming off a small base. Fox has paid a pittance at $17m a year, for 100% exclusive rights to A-league and Socceroos. Socceroos figures may have gone down lately, but there's always a huge spike in Asian Cups, and World Cup years. I dont think theres any issues with Fox buying the BBL rights and the A-league rights at the same time. It's not like the FFA is looking at getting a $1b rights deal, and no matter how high their ratings are, how much can a 4-6 week comp get?? There's room for all sports.
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Tom AUFC
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bennyblanco wrote:Didn't realise the BBL was doing so well. It's so god damned tacky!!!!! I got dragged to one and hated it. If Harry Kewell at Melbourne Victory has a novelty factor then the entire BBL is a novelty. Watch the BBL ratings slide as people begin to realise how tedious it is. At least the A-League can bring in a new "novelty" type player that will temporarily provide a surge in the ratings and crowds every couple of years.
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Tom AUFC wrote:bennyblanco wrote:Didn't realise the BBL was doing so well. It's so god damned tacky!!!!! I got dragged to one and hated it. If Harry Kewell at Melbourne Victory has a novelty factor then the entire BBL is a novelty. Watch the BBL ratings slide as people begin to realise how tedious it is. At least the A-League can bring in a new "novelty" type player that will temporarily provide a surge in the ratings and crowds every couple of years. Wonderful comments & observations. Strange how such logic seems to elude HAL-haters and football haters.
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Its true nobody cares about the a-league...
BBL ratings are outstanding...
Wait till every AFL game is live on Foxsports.... BBL bashing A-League is nothing...AFL will murder us...
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Joe Davola wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:bennyblanco wrote:Didn't realise the BBL was doing so well. It's so god damned tacky!!!!! I got dragged to one and hated it. If Harry Kewell at Melbourne Victory has a novelty factor then the entire BBL is a novelty. Watch the BBL ratings slide as people begin to realise how tedious it is. At least the A-League can bring in a new "novelty" type player that will temporarily provide a surge in the ratings and crowds every couple of years. Wonderful comments & observations. Strange how such logic seems to elude HAL-haters and football haters. A two faced, lying piece of trash, multi, has zero credibility. A feral, a bogan, a street urchin, a spineless nerd whom ran away when his stench made his life difficult. Exasperated by denying he is a two faced, lying piece of trash, multi with stupidity amplified by his inability to hide his obnoxious personality. Go away, you trashy feral.
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Joffa
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skeptic wrote:Joe Davola wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:bennyblanco wrote:Didn't realise the BBL was doing so well. It's so god damned tacky!!!!! I got dragged to one and hated it. If Harry Kewell at Melbourne Victory has a novelty factor then the entire BBL is a novelty. Watch the BBL ratings slide as people begin to realise how tedious it is. At least the A-League can bring in a new "novelty" type player that will temporarily provide a surge in the ratings and crowds every couple of years. Wonderful comments & observations. Strange how such logic seems to elude HAL-haters and football haters. A two faced, lying piece of trash, multi, has zero credibility. A feral, a bogan, a street urchin, a spineless nerd whom ran away when his stench made his life difficult. Exasperated by denying he is a two faced, lying piece of trash, multi with stupidity amplified by his inability to hide his obnoxious personality. Go away, you trashy feral. Ease up Skeptic, debate the ideas, don't attack the poster.
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BBL ratings wont slip, its played at a time of yr where people love to watch cricket, its attracted ridiculous figures whilst the playing stocks of the comp are average, ppl just love cricket in summer.
Victory v Sydney had an audience of 68,000 a few days ago, the first match had an audience of 150,000....the lowest rating the cricket has had is about 230,000....how do we argue with these figures? they arent being made up.
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Joffa wrote:skeptic wrote:Joe Davola wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:bennyblanco wrote:Didn't realise the BBL was doing so well. It's so god damned tacky!!!!! I got dragged to one and hated it. If Harry Kewell at Melbourne Victory has a novelty factor then the entire BBL is a novelty. Watch the BBL ratings slide as people begin to realise how tedious it is. At least the A-League can bring in a new "novelty" type player that will temporarily provide a surge in the ratings and crowds every couple of years. Wonderful comments & observations. Strange how such logic seems to elude HAL-haters and football haters. A two faced, lying piece of trash, multi, has zero credibility. A feral, a bogan, a street urchin, a spineless nerd whom ran away when his stench made his life difficult. Exasperated by denying he is a two faced, lying piece of trash, multi with stupidity amplified by his inability to hide his obnoxious personality. Go away, you trashy feral. Ease up Skeptic, debate the ideas, don't attack the poster. You're telling me to debate the ideas with a two faced, lying multi? ya gotta be fucking kiddin sunshine. :lol: :lol: :lol: You can stick your ridiculous forum up your arse before I'll give a lying multi an ounce of fucking respect. I'll even provide the KY gel to make it slide in without too much discomfort. Sorry fella, I'll take the option of my preference and send the gel care of 442 mail. Enjoy the company of the multis, they'll give you 'double' the enjoyment.
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Joffa
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skeptic wrote:Joffa wrote:skeptic wrote:Joe Davola wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:bennyblanco wrote:Didn't realise the BBL was doing so well. It's so god damned tacky!!!!! I got dragged to one and hated it. If Harry Kewell at Melbourne Victory has a novelty factor then the entire BBL is a novelty. Watch the BBL ratings slide as people begin to realise how tedious it is. At least the A-League can bring in a new "novelty" type player that will temporarily provide a surge in the ratings and crowds every couple of years. Wonderful comments & observations. Strange how such logic seems to elude HAL-haters and football haters. A two faced, lying piece of trash, multi, has zero credibility. A feral, a bogan, a street urchin, a spineless nerd whom ran away when his stench made his life difficult. Exasperated by denying he is a two faced, lying piece of trash, multi with stupidity amplified by his inability to hide his obnoxious personality. Go away, you trashy feral. Ease up Skeptic, debate the ideas, don't attack the poster. You're telling me to debate the ideas with a two faced, lying multi? ya gotta be fucking kiddin sunshine. :lol: :lol: :lol: You can stick your ridiculous forum up your arse before I'll give a lying multi an ounce of fucking respect. I'll even provide the KY gel to make it slide in without too much discomfort. Sorry fella, I'll take the option of my preference and send the gel care of 442 mail. Enjoy the company of the multis, they'll give you 'double' the enjoyment. Very thoughtful offering the KY gel.:lol: , you could always ignore him, or just dial it back a bit Edited by Joffa: 28/1/2012 10:49:14 PM
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Tom AUFC wrote:bennyblanco wrote:Didn't realise the BBL was doing so well. It's so god damned tacky!!!!! I got dragged to one and hated it. If Harry Kewell at Melbourne Victory has a novelty factor then the entire BBL is a novelty. Watch the BBL ratings slide as people begin to realise how tedious it is. At least the A-League can bring in a new "novelty" type player that will temporarily provide a surge in the ratings and crowds every couple of years. The BBL is a "novelty" with quite impressive figures last season yet was reworked because it wasn't performing well enough. Last season its average crowd was about 5% under the best ever season average for the A-League and its average PayTV rating of 150k was only equalled this season by the A-League's best ever rating game. Even if the "novelty" wears off and figures return to where they were last season the BBL will far outperform the A-League in the market over the 6 weeks of the competition. The adjustments made to the BBL this season have resulted in a 30% increase in average crowd and a 100% increase in average PayTV rating. To put that in context their average crowd this season is 25% greater than the A-League's best ever season and their average PayTV rating is twice the rating of the best ever A-League game and over 4 times the A-League's average PayTV rating this season which is our best season ever. Rather than denigrating the BBL we ought to be carefully looking at it to see if there is anything that we can glean from its success that will help our code continue our own improvement. I'm interested in which player will be able to provide the "novelty" factor similar to Kewell every two years. We have only produced one in 130 years and our League can't afford the superstars of the game. I smiled at your comments about the BBL as a game. I'm a cricket tragic and I don't like it either but that doesn't stop me seeing reality. The BBL reworked their competition after 6 seasons with enormous success. Why do you not think they will keep tweaking it to retain its performance in the market? Our code just did. On that point I hope you are aware that the Broadcast contract for the BBL comes up for renewal in 2013 and Channel 9 have already placed their interest on record to bid for the rights. Their idea is to rework the entire cricket season to give free air for the BBL so that the Test players can play in it and put it up against the Australian Open. That would be one up on the "novelty" meter for the BBL because that would mean including the best players in Australia in the competition. Meantime we go searching for another Kewell. Oh, by the way they are talking of ratings of 1,000,000. We have played our premier competition up against all sorts of sports, AFL, NRL, NBL, Golf, ODI's, 20-20 Internationals, Test Matches, Super 15, Tennis etc. Now one of them has upped their game. We just need to keep doing the same.
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skeptic wrote:Joe Davola wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:bennyblanco wrote:Didn't realise the BBL was doing so well. It's so god damned tacky!!!!! I got dragged to one and hated it. If Harry Kewell at Melbourne Victory has a novelty factor then the entire BBL is a novelty. Watch the BBL ratings slide as people begin to realise how tedious it is. At least the A-League can bring in a new "novelty" type player that will temporarily provide a surge in the ratings and crowds every couple of years. Wonderful comments & observations. Strange how such logic seems to elude HAL-haters and football haters. A two faced, lying piece of trash, multi, has zero credibility. A feral, a bogan, a street urchin, a spineless nerd whom ran away when his stench made his life difficult. Exasperated by denying he is a two faced, lying piece of trash, multi with stupidity amplified by his inability to hide his obnoxious personality. Go away, you trashy feral. Don't like him eh?
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skeptic wrote:Joe Davola wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:bennyblanco wrote:Didn't realise the BBL was doing so well. It's so god damned tacky!!!!! I got dragged to one and hated it. If Harry Kewell at Melbourne Victory has a novelty factor then the entire BBL is a novelty. Watch the BBL ratings slide as people begin to realise how tedious it is. At least the A-League can bring in a new "novelty" type player that will temporarily provide a surge in the ratings and crowds every couple of years. Wonderful comments & observations. Strange how such logic seems to elude HAL-haters and football haters. A two faced, lying piece of trash, multi, has zero credibility. A feral, a bogan, a street urchin, a spineless nerd whom ran away when his stench made his life difficult. Exasperated by denying he is a two faced, lying piece of trash, multi with stupidity amplified by his inability to hide his obnoxious personality. Go away, you trashy feral. Joffa why do you deal with this "street urchin"? Edited by tbitm: 29/1/2012 01:25:26 AMEdited by tbitm: 29/1/2012 01:34:45 AMEdited by tbitm: 29/1/2012 01:35:16 AM
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So, skeptic is the bloke to go to if you want KY Gel ... BIG SURPRISE. But, what ever floats your boat - or for skeptic it's more a case of "hello sailor"!
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Don't feed the troll people, seriously
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Gyfox wrote: The BBL is a "novelty" with quite impressive figures last season yet was reworked because it wasn't performing well enough. Last season its average crowd was about 5% under the best ever season average for the A-League and its average PayTV rating of 150k was only equalled this season by the A-League's best ever rating game. Even if the "novelty" wears off and figures return to where they were last season the BBL will far outperform the A-League in the market over the 6 weeks of the competition.
The adjustments made to the BBL this season have resulted in a 30% increase in average crowd and a 100% increase in average PayTV rating. To put that in context their average crowd this season is 25% greater than the A-League's best ever season and their average PayTV rating is twice the rating of the best ever A-League game and over 4 times the A-League's average PayTV rating this season which is our best season ever.
Rather than denigrating the BBL we ought to be carefully looking at it to see if there is anything that we can glean from its success that will help our code continue our own improvement.
I'm interested in which player will be able to provide the "novelty" factor similar to Kewell every two years. We have only produced one in 130 years and our League can't afford the superstars of the game.
I smiled at your comments about the BBL as a game. I'm a cricket tragic and I don't like it either but that doesn't stop me seeing reality. The BBL reworked their competition after 6 seasons with enormous success. Why do you not think they will keep tweaking it to retain its performance in the market? Our code just did. On that point I hope you are aware that the Broadcast contract for the BBL comes up for renewal in 2013 and Channel 9 have already placed their interest on record to bid for the rights. Their idea is to rework the entire cricket season to give free air for the BBL so that the Test players can play in it and put it up against the Australian Open. That would be one up on the "novelty" meter for the BBL because that would mean including the best players in Australia in the competition. Meantime we go searching for another Kewell. Oh, by the way they are talking of ratings of 1,000,000.
We have played our premier competition up against all sorts of sports, AFL, NRL, NBL, Golf, ODI's, 20-20 Internationals, Test Matches, Super 15, Tennis etc. Now one of them has upped their game. We just need to keep doing the same. Thoughtful comments. While CA has been able to tweak the BBL to get interest going through the roof (and set to take off once FTA gets involved), soccer's problems are two-fold: 1. soccer is inherently conservative, backed by the most conservative governing body on Earth, FIFA, who happen to be the most courrupt as well, and they won't allow the FFA to try anything new, unless you're willing to line their pockets to the tune of millions of dollars; and 2. then there is the game itself, which is a major disadvantage.
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Mister Football wrote:2. then there is the game itself, which is a major disadvantage. What do you mean by this?
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Joe Davola wrote:So, skeptic is the bloke to go to if you want KY Gel ... BIG SURPRISE. But, what ever floats your boat - or for skeptic it's more a case of "hello sailor"! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Astute comments Mister Football. Soccer's global popularity is what hurts the game here. Other sports can tweak the rules as they see fit to make it a better spectacle as they dont have a overlord 2000 miles away blocking their way. Rugby sort of falls in the same boat but not as badly. In a progressive country like Australia the inability to move forward with technology will be seen as a sport not moving with the times and will struggle to attract and retain viewers. Soccer cant do this here as FIFA rule the roost and if you go against them you will pay the price. Hence why the BBL is a success. People are time-poor nowadays and cannot afford to spend time to watch cricket for a day or 5 days as they used to. Hence create a new product that suits the existing environment and whammo its a success. Interesting article here : http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/big-bash-ratings-bode-well-for-future-of-broadcasts-20120127-1qlrf.htmlTwo parts in this article stood out. ' 'We're pleased because we've seen the reaction of networks, all of them - Fox, Nine, Seven, Ten and Telstra - who are a player in the media-rights game now along with Vodafone. They all know what the ratings are. For us, that says they're really good and that they're really attractive to them. As we get into discussions, we know they're worth money …
The BBL is lining itself up for a big payday with all networks looking for a piece of the action. An ambition to rise from its pre-tournament level of awareness among the general population, 25 per cent, to AFL-level awareness and, eventually, AFL-level crowds.
Being Australia's national sport it could very well reach AFL like figures.( However i dont think it will reach the same level of passion as the AFL/NRL) Edited by Sirocco: 29/1/2012 11:17:20 AM
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ozboy wrote:Mister Football wrote:2. then there is the game itself, which is a major disadvantage. What do you mean by this? a) The low scoring nature of soccer means Australians aren't really interested in paying 30 dollars to see games end 1-nil or nil-all. They dont see value for money in it compared to the other high scoring sports. Thats why you hear everyone say teams need to "play beautiful football" because they think if everyone plays like Barca, crowds will flock to games regardless if its low scoring. As with the case of Brisbane the reality shows otherwise. b) With no stoppages of play during a game, The inability to show ads thru the broadcast means it doesn't appeal to FTA networks. Even Rugby League was told to change the format to allow for more ads if they want bigger tv bucks. The reality is in countries where their isn't deep rooted passion for the game , it will always be hard to change the status quo. Football fans in Australia need to be far more realistic about where the game sits in Australia and where it will end up.
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Sirocco wrote:Astute comments Mister Football.
Soccer's global popularity is what hurts the game here. Other sports can tweak the rules as they see fit to make it a better spectacle as they dont have a overlord 2000 miles away blocking their way. Rugby sort of falls in the same boat but not as badly.
In a progressive country like Australia the inability to move forward with technology will be seen as a sport not moving with the times and will struggle to attract and retain viewers.
Soccer cant do this here as FIFA rule the roost and if you go against them you will pay the price.
Hence why the BBL is a success. People are time-poor nowadays and cannot afford to spend time to watch cricket for a day or 5 days as they used to. Hence create a new product that suits the existing environment and whammo its a success.
... What a load of utter nonsense!! Why do not football people presume to understand what the Australian football community wants or needs? What are you talking about "hurting the Game"? "The Game" is FOOTBALL and football is THE MOST POPULAR sport in Australia - across every age group, across both genders, across all socio-economic groups and all ethnicities. The game cannot be more popular. In fact, demand (people wanting to play organised football) exceeds supply (the amount of teams available & the infrastructure available). Does anyone actually play T20, apart from the professionals? If not then we can say T20 is not a legitimate sport but its a circus/carnival event that will come to town once a year. Big deal. No one in the football community wants to make any significant changes to Football LOTG or the way the game is presented. Only non-football people want to do this to create a hybrid game that is more suited to their style. So, how about non-football people piss off the football forum and go discuss their preferred sports with the other bogans, who don't understand the beauty of the only Game that is universal.
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Sirocco wrote: a) The low scoring nature of soccer means Australians aren't really interested in paying 30 dollars to see games end 1-nil or nil-all. They dont see value for money in it compared to the other high scoring sports.
You talk utter nonsense based on your preconceived biases. Evidence tells us SOCKAH is the most popular sport played across the whole of Strayia, which tells us Strayians love SOCKAH more than any other sport. Regardless, your premise that "low-scoring" is an issue has no substance without evidence. In fact, there is enough anecdotal evidence out there to suggest that, even in the high-scoring AFL, AFL fans will say that a low scoring close game is far more exciting than a high scoring blow out. Sirocco wrote:b) With no stoppages of play during a game, The inability to show ads thru the broadcast means it doesn't appeal to FTA networks. Even Rugby League was told to change the format to allow for more ads if they want bigger tv bucks. Yes, of course TV just hates broadcasting SOCKAH. I mean to say the EPL - which is just ONE domestic football competition - only manages to attract US$1.9 BILLION per annum in TV broadcast fees.
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Sirocco wrote:ozboy wrote:Mister Football wrote:2. then there is the game itself, which is a major disadvantage. What do you mean by this? a) The low scoring nature of soccer means Australians aren't really interested in paying 30 dollars to see games end 1-nil or nil-all. They dont see value for money in it compared to the other high scoring sports. Then why do key Socceroos games get such massive ratings & such huge crowds?
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Sirocco wrote:ozboy wrote:Mister Football wrote:2. then there is the game itself, which is a major disadvantage. What do you mean by this? a) The low scoring nature of soccer means Australians aren't really interested in paying 30 dollars to see games end 1-nil or nil-all. They dont see value for money in it compared to the other high scoring sports. Thats why you hear everyone say teams need to "play beautiful football" because they think if everyone plays like Barca, crowds will flock to games regardless if its low scoring. As with the case of Brisbane the reality shows otherwise. Futsal games are high scoring. And shorter. Why hasn't it caught on? Low scoring? - Getting rid of offside has been proposed and rejected by football fans. Doing it would change the entire nature of the game, and not in a good way. For a similar reason rugby will never allow forward passing. - Giving points for missing? Other than having bigger numbers on the scoreboard, its utterly pointless. Value for money has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of football fans in Australia, enough to rival AFL or NRL, who love the game just as it is. The challenge is to get the A-League to become dear to their hearts, instead of them reminiscing about the pumpkin seeds at Lakeside, or following teams they often have no geographic or historical connection and will never see play live ala the EPL. Quote: b) With no stoppages of play during a game, The inability to show ads thru the broadcast means it doesn't appeal to FTA networks. Even Rugby League was told to change the format to allow for more ads if they want bigger tv bucks.
There is a point here, but it only matters for live games. Delayed telecasts can be paused when the ball is out of play. Most FTA AFL coverage has not been live. Quote: The reality is in countries where their isn't deep rooted passion for the game , it will always be hard to change the status quo. Football fans in Australia need to be far more realistic about where the game sits in Australia and where it will end up.
Most of us know where it sits, but we also know where it COULD sit, given the right support: financial, administrative, marketing, media.
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Excellent post!
Football - the Game/Sport - and the HAL are not the same thing. Sure HAL is nowhere near as popular as AFL, NRL or BBL. So what? HAL is more popular in Australia than ACL; doesn't mean ACL is a poor competition, just means ACL is not yet embraced by HAL fans.
Same way HAL is not yet embraced by all football fans.
What causes fear across the non-football community is the fact that Football - the Game - is so popular with ZERO marketing. AFL give bribes to kids to entice them to play their ridiculous game; football does nothing and all age groups just want to play the Game.
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stefcep wrote:Sirocco wrote:ozboy wrote:Mister Football wrote:2. then there is the game itself, which is a major disadvantage. What do you mean by this? a) The low scoring nature of soccer means Australians aren't really interested in paying 30 dollars to see games end 1-nil or nil-all. They dont see value for money in it compared to the other high scoring sports. Thats why you hear everyone say teams need to "play beautiful football" because they think if everyone plays like Barca, crowds will flock to games regardless if its low scoring. As with the case of Brisbane the reality shows otherwise. Futsal games are high scoring. And shorter. Why hasn't it caught on? Low scoring? - Getting rid of offside has been proposed and rejected by football fans. Doing it would change the entire nature of the game, and not in a good way. For a similar reason rugby will never allow forward passing. - Giving points for missing? Other than having bigger numbers on the scoreboard, its utterly pointless. Value for money has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of football fans in Australia, enough to rival AFL or NRL, who love the game just as it is. The challenge is to get the A-League to become dear to their hearts, instead of them reminiscing about the pumpkin seeds at Lakeside, or following teams they often have no geographic or historical connection and will never see play live ala the EPL. Quote: b) With no stoppages of play during a game, The inability to show ads thru the broadcast means it doesn't appeal to FTA networks. Even Rugby League was told to change the format to allow for more ads if they want bigger tv bucks.
There is a point here, but it only matters for live games. Delayed telecasts can be paused when the ball is out of play. Most FTA AFL coverage has not been live. Quote: The reality is in countries where their isn't deep rooted passion for the game , it will always be hard to change the status quo. Football fans in Australia need to be far more realistic about where the game sits in Australia and where it will end up.
Most of us know where it sits, but we also know where it COULD sit, given the right support: financial, administrative, marketing, media. Pretty good points. I would hate for the goals to be made wider/higher, goalkeeper to be taken away, offside to be scrapped, etc It would take away the skill from the game, which I have a feeling that those who follow the code as their first choice use as their reasoning behind choosing it over other foody codes.
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