decentric
Ok
finally i have had enough of these two bozos

Your meltdwon here kinda reminds me of the "limped dick dog" episode on TWG. :lol:

Its not a meltdown i can not stand bullies.
I will put up with anything but not that.

Edited by krones3: 26/1/2012 10:05:09 PM

enough i will just add my 10 cents worth as well

Edited by krones3: 26/1/2012 10:08:07 PM

that was the last forum you and your mates destroyed.

Any semi intelligent and logically thinking FFT forum member can see who fired first shot across the bow. Once again, the result of your perennial rampant arrogance.

And krones, just let it go man.

no

"Closer each day..."

Well usually in pre-season my coach kills us in physical (non stop running) but that's only for the first week. Then he starts to implement exercises with the ball.

I know some people are sick of hearing this, but Dutch KNVB coaches stated emphatically to us that no work should be done without the ball. The notable exception is if one is a top professional side side like Ajax, Man U, Milan, etc.

In this state many coaches waste far too much time doing training drills without the ball from under 8s to seniors. Even staff FFA coaches have been observed doing mindless running.

I've had many animated discussions with players and coaches, usually with a sports science background, who claim they get fitter from doing specific training exercises without the ball. I don't argue with this contention, but players can still become nearly as fit training the same number of hours, but at the same time they can have improved immeasurably in technique. Essentially, we are training footballers to play football, not run in the Olympics.

I've spent time working incorporating ball work into every training drill, even for pre-season programmes. The one time one can do without the ball is occasionally performing specific formational work with 11 players. This is still game related though.

We are taking a mobile football school to clubs to demonstrate constant technical development within training ground programmes.

Thankfully, I observed two state league senior coaches last year doing all ball related work on the training track.

Most sports that I have played (and none at anywhere near a professional level, mind you) have generally involved pure fitness for the first 1-2 weeks and then skills training. No point practicing dribbling if your legs are going to give way an hour into it, I suppose.

That said, it may be that at the highest level you need to go beyond that, where the weak have already been weeded out and fitness isn't really an issue - skills must be honed and practiced constantly instead.

I'd be wary though if at a junior level we stopped looking at attributes like pace, strength, and physical prowess completely though. A team of Messis might beat anybody, but a team of Nicky Carles or Kaz Pataftas will not.

Edited by f1dave: 6/2/2012 11:58:06 AM

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/craig-foster/blog/1091969/No-more-laps,-let


Here is a topical article about all training being game centred by Craig Foster. Running laps is considered superfluous.

It is interesting to note Jose Mourinho's comments.








Edited by Decentric: 16/2/2012 12:34:26 PM

By dribbling slowly at first in pre-season, one works up to fitness by increasing intensity over time.

In a 10 minute period a player can have touched the ball 300-400 times by doing specific exercises with the ball compared to running without it over the same period.

http://www.uefa.com/trainingground/training/skills/video/videoid=1578713.html?autoplay=tr


By performing the techniques outlined in the aforementioned UEFA video, over 10 -15 minutes a player can have touched the ball hundreds of times compared to running in isolation. Initially if the drills are performed slowly at the beginning of the season, basic fitness is developing.






Edited by Decentric: 6/2/2012 12:08:53 PM

It's one thing to apply that to Xavi and co, but is it something else entirely to apply it to Joe Bloggs in the Sunday League or young Timmy in the U16s?

I hear what you are saying and it is a fair point, but most players at lower levels in standard, and ages, also enjoy ball work and SSGs more than running too.

If all training at all levels is more technically based in Australia, it can only be good for the game.





Edited by Decentric: 6/2/2012 12:31:07 PM

Just heard of a split state league club's pre-season programme being criticised by players. The club had a general sports trainer (sports science background) and a former eggball coach taking charge of the senior female team's programme for pre-season.

I can't believe the confidence that some other sport's coaches have in being able to coach a football club. Conversely, I can't believe a football coach would be happy to have others take charge of a pre-season football programme, essentially at amateur level.

Players have been incredibly sore and tired. They are complaining to the club president, who also has no coaching credentials.





Edited by Decentric: 6/2/2012 05:22:06 PM

Thanks for all the replies guys. Interesting how everyone has a different opinion.

What I've been doing is a mixture between both. Alternating between running drills and ball drills. I only use laps/dynamic stretches for half the warm-up and the rest of it is done with a ball. Plus I'll use one slow lap while I set up the next drill, just to try and keep the boys one their toes and warm.

A sample preseason session might go like.

Warmup

- 3 Laps of an AFL oval (due to restrictions on grounds), including Dynamic Stretches
- 5-10 minutes of a Rondo game.

Drills

- Interval Running, varying between jogging, 3/4 speed, sprinting and walking. I also add running with the ball in on alternating sets to make it harder.
-Passing drills, working on Triangles, getting harder each time adding in defenders etc.
-Plyometric and sprint drills.
-Then some work on passing and holding the ball.

Finish the session of with scrimmage. First half played without goals, just encouraging holding possession of the ball, and the second half with small goals, encouraging passing and two touches.

Just submitted new blog on the Preseason. Waiting for 442 to publish. Might shed some light on the pre-season and other topics.

Look forward to it.

I hope someone can post it on here, so posts appear in both sections.

I like the rest of your programme, Krisskrash, but how about doing the three laps with a ball? Conversely, do the UEFA basic dribbling drill delineated earlier in this thread.

Use specific techniques for the laps.

1. Matthews cut , dribbling the ball inside and outside of the foot at 45 degrees.
2. Use the instep of the foot focusing on keeping the head up.
3. Body swerves.
4. Sole of the foot inside dribbling.
5. With preferred foot use a 45 degrees sole of the foot diagonal dribble, then use outside of the foot at 45 degrees. Repeat and repeat sequence. This is a more complicated Matthews cut, demonstrated by Fernando Torres in his signature move in the dribbling compilation thread.

Whilst doing the running, slowly, players will gain more confidence on the ball whilst gaining fitness. The three laps could incorporate 300 touches or so.

If these guys are good players, make them perform these techniques with their weaker foot.
Make them do all of them with the focus being keeping their head up all the time. Even professional players sometimes struggle to do this.


Another tip, based on years of teaching, is to set up all stations 20-25 minutes before players arrive. All drill grids and SSGs will have been set up Then you won't be needing to move cones whilst players are there. This also increases intensity and minimises wasted time in your session, plus they get fitter and need to concentrate for greater periods. You will need a lot of cones and poles though.

Interval running can be done with the ball all the time too. Don't forget players will get fit in 1v1, 4v4 and 5v5 with keepers SSGs too.

Like your rondos and triangle passing.

Sprint drills can also be done as relays.

A Dutch drill, game related, is to set up in a zig zag for relays so players will have to dribble around cones set up like this:


Key:
P = player
X=cone
o=ball


Start

P1o...............................P2o


X...................................X



..............X......X




X.....................................X




P3o...................................P4o

Start


Player 1 and 2 dribble outside their first cone X when the coach starts the relay.

They both dribble between the two centre cones. Then they dribble outside the last cone X.

When they get to the other end, Players P3 and P4 race each other.

Get players to perform stationary dribbling techniques (stepovers, inside to inside, side of foot sole, front and backwards sole, Matthews cuts) whilst a waiting for their race.

Krones has this drill in Dutch Soccer skills, Books 1, 2 and 3. Players usually love it too!

A focus is for players to keep their heads up when taking the bigger touches whilst sprinting with the ball.

I attempt to do this, but due to limitations with space, depending if we're sharing the ground it is hard to do. It's a struggle in when the majority of our council owned grounds are cricket grounds in the summer.

I'm going to try the dribbling drill next session.

Hey guys is there any websites in particular, you use to get the drills from?

UEFA Training Ground - comprehensive.

Barca Academy - I've only seen five drills on this, but they are all excellent for technique development.

Look at the Football For Everyone thread in this section. There are a number of videos on it.

Dribbling compilation thread in this section has some instructional videos.



Books
Bert Van Lingen (good book if one hasn't done European coaching courses).

Dutch Soccer Drills 1
Dutch Soccer Drills 2
Dutch Soccer Drills 3

The Dutch books have all had content overseen by Henny Kormelink (not Richard Kentwell as it seems in the first two). I find some of the drills hard to follow, but there are some excellent training techniques in the books.

Teaching Soccer Fundamentals - Nelson McEvoy

Coaching Junior Soccer- Denis Ford

There are some other good references in Gregory Parker's articles in Performance Section, plus the content of Gregory's own articles.

Have a look at the KNVB thread in this section. This comes direct from KNVB coaching content. It works a treat on the trainng ground for fast development of players. Players love it as there is a lot of ball work, no running without the ball. The structural work is also useful.

Coerver- many of these exercises are good for individual player development. It is probably good to do a course.

Brazilian Soccer School videos for advanced dribbling and turning techniques. Some are on the internet.

https://sites.google.com/site/youthsoccerlessonplans/executive-docs


This one is excellent. It has lots of European Academy exercises at top European clubs.

I've mainly looked at the Arsenal one. I will use some of these sometime in the next few months.

Sometimes the Ajax ones, like some in the Dutch Soccer Drills books 1, 2 and 3, are harder to follow. On occasions they don't provide enough information.

Cheers Decentric, just having a read now