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Julia cowardly and backwards on gay marriage. Obama courageous and progressive. Hmm.
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Quote:Let us pause for a moment to enjoy the majesty of Craig Thomson's magnificent gall, the gall on which Julia Gillard and her government have relied for the entire time Gillard has been Prime Minister. The Thomson defence: Someone else misused his union credit card. They also misused his driver's licence. Then forged his signature on receipts. They misappropriated his phone and made calls near his home and from hotels where he was staying. The phone was used to call escort agencies. The $250,000 allegedly spent by Thomson to help get into Parliament but never declared was not spent on electoral matters. He can also explain why his credit card, driver's licence and phone were never reported stolen. And why bills that included receipts from escort agencies and cash withdrawals were paid under his authorisation. On Monday, Fair Work Australia finally released a report into the Thomson affair. It runs to 1100 pages. Thomson responded: ''This whole investigation has been nothing short of a joke.'' To appreciate the scale of the damage done to the reputation of the government, the Parliament, the Labor Party and the federal bureaucracy, the timeline is key. It is shocking. FWA has a case to answer. The Australian Electoral Commission has a case to answer. So does the Prime Minister. And the Labor Party. And two independents, Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott, who have repeatedly voted to prolong this appalling charade. More than three years have passed since Mark Davis broke a story in this newspaper on April 8, 2009, which began: ''The federal Labor MP and former union boss Craig Thomson faces allegations that his union credit cards were used to pay for escort services and to withdraw more than $100,000 in cash, as well as bankroll his election campaign for the central coast seat of Dobell. ''Documents provided to the Herald show that Health Services Union officials concluded last year that union credit cards issued to Mr Thomson - and other financial resources - were used for election campaign spending. These had not been disclosed under electoral law.'' Thomson initiated defamation proceedings against the Herald. In April 2011, shortly before the trial was to begin, Thomson's lawyers filed a notice of discontinuance. It was revealed the Labor Party had paid $150,000 to Thomson for his legal fees to keep the matter open for two years and stave off bankruptcy, which would have obliged Thomson to resign his seat. On July 31 last year, in a radio interview, Thomson claimed he was a victim of fraud. On August 16 last year, Gillard, by now Prime Minister, responded to a question in Parliament: ''I have complete confidence in the member for Dobell. I think he is doing a fine job … [and] I look forward to him continuing to do that job for a very long, long, long time to come.'' On December 14 last year, the Herald reported that Thomson had plagiarised various sources for a report tabled to Parliament after an overseas trip. It was also six months late. FWA finally delivered a report on March 28. On April 4, a Senate standing committee asked when it would see the report. The general manager of FWA, Bernadette O'Neill, replied the next day: ''I consider that [providing] the report to the committee while I am considering these matters would not be in the public interest.'' She anticipated another four to six weeks. On April 7, the leader of the opposition in the Senate, Eric Abetz, filed a Freedom of Information request asking for the report. FWA was obliged to respond within 28 days. Gillard announced on April 29 that she had asked Thomson to remove himself to the cross benches, saying ''a line had been crossed''. She provided no specifics. On May 7, the last possible day for responding to the FOI request without having to seek an extension, FWA released its report. It found that Thomson's explanations were implausible: ''Mr Thomson claims that these transactions were incurred fraudulently by another person using his credit cards. However the [evidence] overwhelmingly support an inference that it was Mr Thomson who used his own credit cards to make these transactions.'' On Tuesday, in Parliament, the opposition proposed a motion that Thomson be suspended for 14 sitting days and provide a statement to Parliament in response to the adverse findings of the FWA report. The government defeated the motion with votes of Windsor and Oakeshott. Yesterday, even though the FWA report concluded Thomson had spent up to $250,000 of union funds in undeclared campaign spending, the AEC said that, as the FWA report had taken three years to appear, the statute of limitations had expired. The core revelations were placed in the public domain three years ago. The charade rolls on and the desperate buy more time. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/thomson-charade-still-going-as-the-players-await-a-final-curtain-20120509-1ycxr.html#ixzz1uQ1J0y3H
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scouse_roar wrote:Julia cowardly and backwards on gay marriage. Obama courageous and progressive. Hmm. This is my biggest issue with Gillards judgment. Her opposition vastly overestimates the conservatism in the general public of our nation to marriage equality because of the large noises made by organisations that don't even pay their fair share in tax. Her party is moving forward without her on it, the community overwhelmingly (and increasing with every poll) wants it, and I don't understand what she fears. At the end of the day, she couldn't get much less popular at the moment anyway.
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notorganic wrote:I don't understand what she fears. Losing power.
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f1worldchamp wrote:notorganic wrote:I don't understand what she fears. Losing power. Of course, what I don't understand is why she thinks THIS issue, which would actually endear her to the general public, is such a hot potato.
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notorganic wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:notorganic wrote:I don't understand what she fears. Losing power. Of course, what I don't understand is why she thinks THIS issue, which would actually endear her to the general public, is such a hot potato. You think she should have more clarity about this issue than she does on every other thing she has done that the majority of voters have been against?
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she obviously is a gutless twit, only interested in hanging onto power.....how anyone can defend her record is way beyond me, as is the case with the independants....obviously enjoying having their snouts in the trough and not wanting to stop the merry go round......
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THE Baillieu government has been left red-faced after publicly slamming a federal government plan to defer funding for the Western Highway - despite having privately requested the delay to gain time for crucial environmental assessments. In an apparent blow for Victoria, the federal budget showed a total of $158 million in funding for the Western Highway would be deferred until 2014-15, with the money instead going to a controversial freight terminal in western Sydney. A spokeswoman for the Baillieu government slammed the decision to defer funding for the duplication of the highway as ''short-sighted'', and warned it would ''come at the expense of productivity in Victoria'' because it was the main freight route between Melbourne and Adelaide and a key tourist route. Advertisement: Story continues below ''Despite the tough economic climate Victoria has contributed $42.2 million to continue the duplication of the Western Highway because we understand its importance to freight and tourism,'' she said. But a letter by Victorian Roads Minister Terry Mulder to federal Infrastructure Minister Anthony Albanese in April suggests a starkly different chain of events. It reveals it was the state government that requested the delay because it needed more time to deal with unexpected planning hiccups. The letter, obtained by The Age, said two sections of the road upgrade unexpectedly required environmental impact statements to gain planning approval, which was in turn needed to acquire land for the upgrade. ''The requirement to prepare an Environment Effects Statement for any works planned between Ballarat and Stawell was unexpected and not factored into the original funding profile,'' Mr Mulder wrote. ''As a result, the works planned for the committed $505 million by both governments so far, will need to extend into the 2014-5 financial year.'' A spokeswoman for Mr Mulder said final planning work, including the environmental approvals, would be completed by the middle of next year, with funding for the project the same over a four-year period. ''It now requires significant rework in the way the project is to be delivered,'' she said. State Labor infrastructure spokesman Tim Pallas said it ''spoke volumes'' that the government's first reaction was to blame the federal government for doing what it was asked. ''This demonstrates that not only does this government not have a transport infrastructure plan, but they don't even know which projects they are ready to proceed with,'' Mr Pallas said. The revelations came as Premier Ted Baillieu ramped up his attack on the federal government over infrastructure funding, claiming Victoria had been short-changed for a second successive budget. Annual federal spending on infrastructure in Victoria was now the lowest of all states, at $201 per person, Mr Baillieu said. Key projects such a new road linking the Eastern Freeway with the Western Ring Road, a metro rail tunnel between South Kensington and South Yarra and a rail line to Avalon Airport would be delayed as a result. ''Instead of funding the development of Victoria's priority projects, the federal Labor government is spending $230 million to help ease congestion in Adelaide,'' Mr Baillieu said. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/baillieus-road-rage-backfires-on-him-20120509-1yd6y.html#ixzz1uQX0wv8z DISGRACE! DISGRACE! SACK THE LIAR!! Oh wait, it's a LNP politician. Never mind.
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Quote:Jobless rate in surprise fall Chris Zappone May 10, 2012 - 12:34PM Australia's jobless rate surprisingly fell to the lowest in a year last month, reducing the likelihood that the Reserve Bank will cut interest rates again next month. Australia's unemployment level in April came in at 4.9 per cent, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Economists had tipped the jobless rate to increase to 5.3 per cent from 5.2 per cent in March. “It’s generally stronger than expected,” said RBC Capital Markets economist Su-Lin Ong. “You’ve got another reasonable gain in employment and while the previous month was revised down, the last couple of months have been decent.” The economy added 15,500 jobs last month - better than the 5000 jobs analysts had been tipped companies would shed. The net gain, though, was entirely the result of 26,000 part-time positions being created, with employers actually cutting 10,500 full-time roles in April. The unexpected drop in the jobless rate is likely to cheer Treasurer Wayne Swan as he continues efforts to promote this week's federal budget. The budget is based on a jobless rate of 5.3 per cent by the end of June, rising to 5.5 per cent by June 2013. Australia's jobless rate remains among the lowest for a rich nation. The US has 8.3 per cent out work, while 10.9 per cent in the eurozone are looking for work as are 8.3 per cent in Britain. The dollar jumped on the jobless rate reduction, adding half a US cent to trade to rise above the $US1.01 mark. Investors are betting that the better-than-forecast employment result reduces the need for the RBA to follow up with another interest rate cut when it meets on June 5. Stocks also rose modestly. RBC's Ms Ong said the RBA would likely delay the next rate cut based on today’s jobs figures. She also said the market was anticipating too many rate cuts, prior to today's data release. Financial markets, though, are still tipping the central bank will follow up last week's 50 basis-point rate cut next month. The chance of a further 25 basis-point reduction is about two-in-three, down from a 95 per cent likelihood before the jobs figures landed. Ben Jarman, an economist with JPMorgan, expects the RBA won't cut rates again until August. "The numbers continue to defy the broader vibe. We've been hearing about firms' uncertainty, difficult domestic conditions, and job shedding in a lot of sectors, but it's just not turning up in the unemployment rate," he said. "I don't think the job market really turned upward in a dramatic way in April," Mr Jarman said. "But it does seem like the unemployment rate is proving hard to budge." 'Pinch of salt' While the headline figures were surprisingly strong, some economists queried whether they reflect the strength of the underlying economy. “It’s a monthly number so we have to take it with a pinch of salt,” said ANZ senior economist Justin Fabo. “We still think overall labour market conditions are soft, the job ads are telling us that,” Mr Fabo said. “The participation is rate is down over the year,” he said. “Some of the fall in unemployment rate is related to the structural change story.” Companies reporting job cuts in recent months include ANZ, Westpac and Optus, while food producer Murray Goulburn today announced it plans to shed 301 positions. Victoria leads The state-by-state jobless rates may also baffle some commentators. Despite a slew of job losses in the manufacturing sector lately, the unemployment rate in Victoria plunged last month to 5.3 per cent from 5.8 per cent in March, seasonally adjusted, the ABS said. New South Wales, the most populous state, saw the jobless rate tick higher to 4.9 per cent from 4.8 per cent in March. ANZ's Mr Fabo dubbed the 23,000 jobs created in Victoria ‘‘pretty unbelievable’’ given other reports on the health of the state’s economy. In Western Australia, the jobless rate slid to 3.8 per cent from 4.1 per cent over that time, while in Queensland, it dropped to 5.1 per cent from 5.5 per cent, the ABS said. In South Australia the unemployment rate was steady at 5.2 per cent over the two-month period, while in Tasmania it soared to 8.3 per cent in April from 7 per cent in March, the ABS said Structural change Citi chief economist Paul Brennan said structural changes in the economy are making it more difficult to grasp labour market dynamics. “A lot of people in hospitality in retail are working multiple jobs,” he said. “They will be working a couple of hours with one employer and a couple of hours with another employer.’’ ‘‘It’s getting harder to read exactly where the labour market is,’’ he said. “But looking at recipients on Newstart Allowances, that hasn’t deteriorated in a meaningful way,” Mr Brennan said. “There is no indication of a massive groundswell of people coming on to unemployment benefits.” Hours, participation The ABS report also showed aggregate hours worked by employed people in Australia rose by 0.4 per cent in April, seasonally adjusted, after a fall of 0.7 per cent in March. Aggregate hours worked in April 2012 were 2.6 per cent higher than in April 2011, after a rise of 1.4 per cent between April 2010 and April 2011. Helping the unemployment rate drop was a fall in the ratio of people of working age actually looking for work. The April participation rate was 65.2 per cent, compared with a downwardly revised 65.3 per cent in March.The participation rate was forecast to be 65.4 per cent. The revisions by the ABS to March figures do not help explain part of the drop in the headline unemployment rate. For instance, the net job creation in March was trimmed to 37,600 from 44, 000. Most of that reduction was accounted for a drop in the number of full-time positions created to 10,600 from an inital report of 15,800. More to come Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/jobless-rate-in-surprise-fall-20120510-1ye84.html#ixzz1uQn8ux00
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not sure anyone has lied, but they have clearly fucked up....... and obviously should get their act together before crying poor mouth or laying the blame....clearly poor communication taking place between ministers and premier.....
Gillard didn't deliver the Company tax cut as promised in the budget, she also didn't rectify the disparity between private and public school funding as promised, she also reneged on her commitment to part fund the northwest rail link in sydney, leaving Farry O'barrel with the problem....
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Public discussion enters the age of the uninformed http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-10/green-public-discussion/4002222Can somebody tell me what happened? Can someone explain how in the space of just a decade our public discussion has been hijacked by the ignorant and the bigoted and their boosters in the mass media? And there's a more important question, how did the once authoritative political class let it happen? You may or may not have watched Four Corners on Monday: a gripping report that recalled the High Court's Mabo finding in 1992 and Paul Keating's subsequent political quest to put legislation round the court's repudiation of terra nullius and enshrining of native title. The history of our Commonwealth has had few more significant - or challenging - turning points. Like all documentaries of this type, the Four Corners report did more than simply shed light on its central subject. There was much else to see besides, little snippets that also illuminated the political and media culture of the time. This exchange between Paul Keating and a talkback caller on John Laws' 2UE morning program in 1993 was stunning, an absolute show stopper. Caller: Good morning. John Laws: Okay, the Prime Minister is here. Caller: Yes, good morning. Just a very broad question, Mr Keating, is: why does your government see the Aboriginal people as a much more equal people than the average white Australian? Paul Keating: We don't. We see them as equal. Caller: Well, you might say that, but all the indications are that you don't. Paul Keating: But what's implied in your question is that you don't; you think that non-Aboriginal Australians, there ought to be discrimination in their favour against blacks. Caller: Not... whatsoever. I... I don't say that at all. But my... myself and every person I talk to - and I'm not racist - but every person I talk to... Paul Keating: But that's what they all say, don't they? They put these questions - they always say, "I'm not racist, but, you know, I don't believe that Aboriginal Australians ought to have a basis in equality with non-Aboriginal Australians. Well, of course, that's part of the problem. Caller: Aren't they more equal than us at the moment, with the preferences they get? Paul Keating: More equal? They were... I mean, it's not for me to be giving you a history lesson - they were largely dispossessed of the land they held. Caller: There's a question over that. I think a lot of people will tell you that. You're telling us one thing... Paul Keating: Well, if you're sitting on the title of any block of land in NSW, you can bet an Aboriginal person at some stage was dispossessed of it. Caller: You know that for sure, do you? Paul Keating: Of course we know it for sure! Caller: Yeah, [inaudible]. Paul Keating: You're challenging the High Court decision, are you? You're saying the High Court got this all wrong. Caller: No, I'm not saying that at all! I wouldn't know who was on the High Court. Paul Keating: Well, why don't you sign off, if you don't know anything about it and you're not interested. Good bye! Caller: Yeah, well, that's your ... Paul Keating: No, I mean, you can't challenge these things and then say, "I don't know about them". John Laws: Oh well, he's gone. It really sets you back in your chair. From a contemporary perspective this seems an extraordinary act of political courage, of reckless honesty. A politician on talkback radio telling someone with no real knowledge of the issue beyond a gut feel that it rankles their deepest prejudices, that they are not entitled, under those terms, to enter the discussion. You just know that today, the caller would be indulged; their opinion flattered with undue attention. So it is that today we see a political discussion that rather than excluding or marginalising the voices of the uninformed, angry and blindly polemical, is in fact conditioned, directed and dominated by them. Look at our endless to and fro over asylum seekers... a debate in which the national government happily sets aside its obligations under international law and convention, never mind any reasonable notion of what is moral, in order to placate a vocal core of constituents whose shallow xenophobia and nebulous economic anxieties are amplified by talk back radio and the tabloids of TV and print. Same for climate change. Five years ago we had something near to a national consensus based on unambiguous science, a consensus cynically talked down often through shorthand distortions and misrepresentations pitched at the uninformed. Today few politicians dare confront these tides or take a stand against it. The tail has wagged the dog. Where Paul Keating thought nothing of speaking his mind, Julia Gillard sits in the same studio as Alan Jones, is called a liar to her face and brushes off the insult. This is not an audience the modern politician dare offend and the result is to diminish the authority of our leaders. Team it with the reflex anxiety over every nuance of polling and we end up with a discussion that is easily mired in misconception and the darker sub currents of the national psyche. To be reminded of Keating's boldness and certainty is to recall that we have lost more than his trademark arrogant pugnaciousness in the intervening decade. We've also lost political leadership, surrendering it to belligerent ignorance at high volume. You get the feeling that the modern politician, seeing that Keating talkback video would be schooled: "see that's the arrogance that cost him''. And that's cost us. Jonathan Green hosts Sunday Extra on Radio National and is the former editor of The Drum.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-10/pm-reacts-to-obamas-support-for-gay-marriage/4003116You fool, Julia. Quote:Prime Minister Julia Gillard says she is still opposed to same-sex marriage, despite Barack Obama becoming the first United States president to declare his backing.
In what supporters have hailed as an historic moment in civil rights history, Mr Obama reversed his position on the controversial social issue just six months before the November election.
AUDIO: Obama backs gay marriage (AM) "I've just concluded, for me, personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married," Mr Obama said in an interview with ABC News America.
However, Ms Gillard says her views have not changed and she remains opposed to gay marriage in Australia.
"My view's not changing," she said.
"It reinforces this is a matter that people form their own views on, [a] deeply personal question, people will work their way through it.
"Obviously President Obama has, and he announced a decision."
There is currently same-sex marriage legislation before Parliament, to which both Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and Ms Gillard have signalled their opposition.
But Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young says if Mr Obama can support marriage equality, then so should Ms Gillard.
"The majority of people in the United States support marriage equality. Their president does," Senator Hanson-Young said.
"The majority of Australians support marriage equality, yet our Prime Minister doesn't.
"It's time for our political leaders to accept that the Australian people have it right on this one, and currently Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott are on the wrong side of history."
Former Greens leader Bob Brown said it took enormous courage for a political leader to say they have changed their mind.
"His statement is just brilliant and it's going to light the candle for those who are still back in the darkness of wanting this discrimination, and help them to make the change as he's done," Senator Brown said.
Mr Obama, who had previously backed strong protections for gay and lesbian couples, said his position had evolved partly after talking to his daughters, Malia and Sasha, who had some friends with same-sex parents.
"There have been times where Michelle and I have been sitting around the dinner table and we're talking about their friends and their parents, and Malia and Sasha, it wouldn't dawn on them that somehow their friends' parents would be treated differently," he said in the interview.
"It doesn't make sense to them, and frankly, that's the kind of thing that prompts a change in perspective."
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To both of those articles =d> I miss Paul :cry:
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General Ashnak wrote:To both of those articles =d>
I miss Paul :cry: yeah i miss paul as well the 17.5% interest rates....the recession we had to have.....the arrogance....... Edited by batfink: 11/5/2012 07:48:20 AM
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Now Paul Keating was a whole different class of politician to the current mob.
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know a fair bit of dirt on our mate paul....witnessed first hand by myself......
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Such as?
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notorganic wrote:Such as? not going there through fear of recrimination, all i can say is that when he was PM i was working on the residence of a very hi profile developer who had keating stay at his house regularly and had dinner parties with many Leading Labor members of the time......what i saw,heard and witnessed was beyond belief and i'm certain ALL sides of politics are guilty of similar behaviour.....just mind boggling.......
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PICKERINGS VIEW ON THE MESS>>>>>>>>>
A SURPLUS, WAYNE?
This will not be a surplus budget. Not remotely.
Swan’s figures are predicated on the best of all possible outcomes. Those outcomes cannot possibly eventuate and the next government will need to pick up the pieces... once again.
This is what I think must have happened:
Swan rushed into Gillard’s office, “Hey Jules, I’ve just had ripper of an Idea.”
“Wot?”, muttered Gillard, not removing her head from her hands.
“Why don’t we say we will produce a surplus for 2012/13?”
Gillard peered from between her fingers, “What drugs are you on Wayne? We are a Labor government, we don’t produce surpluses, you idiot!”
“Hear me out Jules. We can do it... well, I can make it look like we’re doin’ it and improve our poll figures at the same time. It came to me when I was having a crap this morning. It’s simple, Jules, we just chuck a heap of money at the people who used to vote for us!”
“Get ya hand off it Wayne. We’re already $140 billion in debt. Where in hell will you get this money from?”
“Look at me Jules, look at me... we get it from the people who will never vote for us and give it to the people who used to vote for us... brilliant eh?”
Gillard looked at him, “Blimey, you’re not as stupid as you look, Wayne!”, she said, getting up from behind her desk with her chair still stuck to her bum. “I see where you’re coming from.”
“I’ve got it all worked out Jules”, said Swan, helping her with the chair. “All we need to do is tell a few more fibs and go back on a few more promises. I mean, people expect that of us. Then we rip off the miners, the military, third-world aid and those business bastards. They are all bloody Abbott lovers anyway!”
“Wayne, you are looking more attractive by the minute... I love it!” “Not only that, Jules, the strugglers who used to vote for us are too stupid to see what we’re actually doing. They’ll just take the money and run.”
Swan suddenly appeared concerned, “We only have one problem Jules.” “Wot”, said Gillard.
Swan hung his head, “No-one likes you, Jules. Even the strugglers don’t like you.... I mean, even my dog starts scratching when you’re on the box. The real problem is we have no-one to replace you with!”
Gillard ruffled her hair, displaying her profile to the mirror, “Go and have another crap Wayne... you’ll think of something.”
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Charlie Pickering?
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notorganic wrote:Charlie Pickering? who is charlie pickering???
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He's a comedian/political commentator, although what you posted there doesn't sound like him because he's quite left leaning.
I'm trying to figure out who the "Pickering" that you've referred to is, because you haven't linked to the original source. If it's Larry Pickering he's an epic hypocrite - especially on "ripping off" aid.
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:Such as? not going there through fear of recrimination, all i can say is that when he was PM i was working on the residence of a very hi profile developer who had keating stay at his house regularly and had dinner parties with many Leading Labor members of the time......what i saw,heard and witnessed was beyond belief and i'm certain ALL sides of politics are guilty of similar behaviour.....just mind boggling....... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: -PB
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batfink wrote:General Ashnak wrote:To both of those articles =d>
I miss Paul :cry: yeah i miss paul as well the 17.5% interest rates.... the recession we had to have.....the arrogance....... Edited by batfink: 11/5/2012 07:48:20 AM I would never have expected someone as obviously interested in politics as you to make such a blatantly ignorant comments, please tell me you weren't being serious or did you not enjoy the resulting 20 years of unfettered prosperity we have been going through and still are for that matter thanks to Bob and Paul?
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General Ashnak wrote:batfink wrote:General Ashnak wrote:To both of those articles =d>
I miss Paul :cry: yeah i miss paul as well the 17.5% interest rates.... the recession we had to have.....the arrogance....... Edited by batfink: 11/5/2012 07:48:20 AM I would never have expected someone as obviously interested in politics as you to make such a blatantly ignorant comments You can't be that new to this thread, surely.
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notorganic wrote:General Ashnak wrote:batfink wrote:General Ashnak wrote:To both of those articles =d>
I miss Paul :cry: yeah i miss paul as well the 17.5% interest rates.... the recession we had to have.....the arrogance....... Edited by batfink: 11/5/2012 07:48:20 AM I would never have expected someone as obviously interested in politics as you to make such a blatantly ignorant comments You can't be that new to this thread, surely. Well I don't read it all the time, but batty is in business he must understand how that period set up the resulting economic boom we have been in?
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just wondering if you being serious or taking the piss...?????
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batfink wrote:just wondering if you being serious or taking the piss...????? I am being very serious. I am hoping you are taking the piss.
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LOL......so your telling me Australia has been in an economic boom the entire time since and during the Hawke and keating governments took office, and it's down to their policy?????
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batfink wrote:LOL......so your telling me Australia has been in an economic boom the entire time since and during the Hawke and keating governments took office, and it's down to their policy????? Have you actually been in business since the late 80s or not? My knowledge on all of this comes about from 3 'sources'. The first is from my father who has run a civil engineering firm from the mid 70s until late 2009 when he and his partners sold it to a multinational civil engineering firm. The second is from having been actively interested in politics from when I was 9 years old. The third is from having run (though not been the owner) of businesses from 1998 til now. Yes, unequivably the Bob & Paul government policies are what have directly resulted in the booming economy we have experienced.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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