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Australia set to follow the Campbell Newman path if Abbott is elected. There hasn't been enough job losses and people plunged into poverty yet! Let's do it! Brave new world!
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batfink
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notorganic wrote:Would you say that it's also the federal governments fault for the backing out of election promises by both Bailleu and Newman in Victoria and Queensland respectively? to be honest i havent followed these two states, and if they are breaking promises it is unacceptable....... however given the state of affairs left in NSW by the previous Labor government farry o'barrell has broken promises he made based on budget figures supplied by the NSW labor government which were clearly lies and a massive hole in funding was identified when they came to government....so who is to blame?????
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batfink
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scouse_roar wrote:Australia set to follow the Campbell Newman path if Abbott is elected. There hasn't been enough job losses and people plunged into poverty yet! Let's do it! Brave new world! no point living beyond your means......its a fact that we have way to many public servants and public sector workers......be nice to see some of the lazy scabs cop it like most businesses have under this pathetic leadership......it cant get worse for me so im happy for you lot to join the party that is the 22 speed economy.....
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batfink wrote:scouse_roar wrote:Australia set to follow the Campbell Newman path if Abbott is elected. There hasn't been enough job losses and people plunged into poverty yet! Let's do it! Brave new world! no point living beyond your means......its a fact that we have way to many public servants and public sector workers......be nice to see some of the lazy scabs cop it like most businesses have under this pathetic leadership......it cant get worse for me so im happy for you lot to join the party that is the 22 speed economy..... A mate that is working in a gov department says there is about 12 stages to get fired.....each stage you have to really stuff up.That is crazy most work places it is about 3 to 4 stages and something are a straight dismissal
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batfink
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erb wrote:batfink wrote:scouse_roar wrote:Australia set to follow the Campbell Newman path if Abbott is elected. There hasn't been enough job losses and people plunged into poverty yet! Let's do it! Brave new world! no point living beyond your means......its a fact that we have way to many public servants and public sector workers......be nice to see some of the lazy scabs cop it like most businesses have under this pathetic leadership......it cant get worse for me so im happy for you lot to join the party that is the 22 speed economy..... A mate that is working in a gov department says there is about 12 stages to get fired.....each stage you have to really stuff up.That is crazy most work places it is about 3 to 4 stages and something are a straight dismissal yeah its true.......the public sector is loaded with over paid bludgers, all protected by the unions costing taxpayers Gazillions....Rudd employed some 30,000 in the first 6 months of office..........some hospitals are under staffed and some have shit loads of staff doing bugger all....... and many of these public sector appointments have conditions way above the rest of us....like 35 hour week....or 4 days on 4 days off like the fire fighters and coppers, its a joke..... and on government waste we are paying contractors to mow the lawns and clean the houses of asylum seekers once they have been placed into housing....!!!!! and statistics show a large percentage of them still dont work some 5 years after arriving......the welfare state of australia, no wonder they are falling over themselves and doing just about anything to get here for a free ride at tax payers expense....soon there will be no way of supporting out welfare bill.....then what???????
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Joffa
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Quote:I'll recreate Howard's golden age, says Tony Abbott From: AAP August 18, 2012 OPPOSITION Leader Tony Abbott says he is "wholly and solely" dedicated to recreating the "golden age" of the last coalition government. Sixteen members of the coalition frontbench were ministers during the Howard years, Mr Abbott says. "We will be a good government in the future because we have been a good government in the past," he told the Liberal Party's South Australian conference in Adelaide. "We won't have to learn on the job, because we've done the job before." Mr Abbott said the longer Labor was in power, the better it was making former prime minister John Howard look. "The Howard government now looks like it created a golden age of prosperity which is lost," he said. "Our task, to which we are wholly and solely dedicated, is to recreate those great days for our country and we will." . Mr Abbott said that, to give credit where it was due, in their heyday the Labor governments of Bob Hawke and Paul Keating knew what it took to build a strong economy, but Prime Minister Julia Gillard did not. "If you've got the right government, you get the right economic results," he said. "The Howard government understood what it took to build a strong economy. The current government doesn't." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/ill-recreate-howards-golden-age-says-tony-abbott/story-fndo48ca-1226453135882
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Joffa
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batfink wrote:
yeah its true.......the public sector is loaded with over paid bludgers,
And you know this how? Are our Police bludgers? our Nurses? our Firemen? Our Armed Forces? batfink wrote: some hospitals are under staffed and some have shit loads of staff doing bugger all.
Where exactly, Chicago Hope? Edited by Joffa: 18/8/2012 05:21:32 PM
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Joffa
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batfink wrote:
yeah its true.......the public sector is loaded with over paid bludgers,
And you know this how? Are our Police bludgers? our Nurses? our Firemen? Our Armed Forces? batfink wrote: some hospitals are under staffed and some have shit loads of staff doing bugger all.
Where exactly, Chicago Hope? [/quote] batfink wrote: and many of these public sector appointments have conditions way above the rest of us....like 35 hour week....or 4 days on 4 days off like the fire fighters and coppers, its a joke.....
Why is this a bad thing? Is working weekends, public holidays, overnight and performing dangerous duties part of these favourable conditions? batfink wrote: and on government waste we are paying contractors to mow the lawns and clean the houses of asylum seekers once they have been placed into housing....!!!!!
can you provide a link so other asylum seekers can avail themselves of this generous perk applicable only to asylum seekers..thanks batfink wrote: and statistics show a large percentage of them still dont work some 5 years after arriving......
what is a large percentage batfink and is there a link? Does this account for having to learn a new language, new culture or any counselling/therapy needed to deal with the ordeal these people have suffered? batfink wrote: the welfare state of australia, no wonder they are falling over themselves and doing just about anything to get here for a free ride at tax payers expense....soon there will be no way of supporting out welfare bill.....then what???????
I agree those pesky asylum seekers are leaving rape, torture, persecution, death and disease behind so they can travel all this way in a boat to live the highlife on $489.70 a fortnight from Centrelink. Edited by Joffa: 18/8/2012 05:39:05 PM
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golden age . if u say so abott. be afraid australia be very afraid
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I've apllied to work on the ACT Election in October, not than anyone really takes notcie of an ACT election
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:golden age . if u say so abott. be afraid australia be very afraid afraid of what???!!!!!! it cant't get any worse than it is now.....](*,) ](*,)
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batfink wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:golden age . if u say so abott. be afraid australia be very afraid afraid of what???!!!!!! it cant't get any worse than it is now.....](*,) ](*,) It actually could, and you should be looking towards Queensland for an indication of what we have to look forward to under Abbott. It's true that Gillard is just a puppet of those keeping her in power (including the religious right), and Abbott has demonstrated that he is no better, only that he IS the religious right...
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Quote:PM Julia Gillard refuses to answer allegations she resigned from a law firm after of a union scandal by: PATRICK LION POLITICAL REPORTER From: News Limited Network August 19, 2012 PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has repeatedly refused to answer fresh allegations she resigned from a major law firm as a direct result of a union scandal involving her then boyfriend. In an interview on Sky News' Australian Agenda this morning, Ms Gillard was asked on a number of occasions about the case involving her former partner and ex-Australian Workers Union official Bruce Wilson. She confirmed she did resign in 1995 and it was her decision to do so but did not answer whether it was linked to the scandal - as claimed by a former partner of the firm at the weekend. Ms Gillard instead said she was the victim of an online smear campaign that was not interested in the truth and said the case had no relevance to her prime ministership. "I am not dignifying all of this scurrilous campaigning by going through these things point by point," Ms Gillard said. . "If you've got an allegation I did something wrong, then put it. I did nothing wrong. This is nonsense and a distraction from the important work I have to do as Prime Minister." She added that she had recently given a speech to the firm and had good relations with them. Asked again whether the resignation was a direct result of the scandal, Ms Gillard said: "I did resign from Slater & Gordon. That is a matter of public record. I made the decision to do that." But the opposition has demanded Ms Gillard to provide a personal explanation about the issue when parliament resumes sitting this week. "There are serious questions that need to be answered," Liberal frontbencher Christopher Pyne said. "The intensity (of this issue) has become much more dramatic." Ms Gillard’s rebuffs comes after Nick Styant-Browne, a former equity partner of the firm, broke a 17-year silence broke his silence at the weekend to reveal Ms Gillard was interviewed about the affair in 1995. Mr Styant-Browne said during that Ms Gillard stated in the interview that she could not categorically rule out that she had personally benefited from union funds in the renovation of her Melbourne house. The Australian reported on Saturday that she said in the interview that she believed she had paid for all the work and materials, and had receipts, which she later produced. Mr Styant-Browne said the company "took a very serious view" of these and other matters "and accepted her resignation". "The firm was scrupulous to ensure these matters were both properly investigated and Ms Gillard was given every opportunity to explain her involvement," Mr Styant-Browne told The Australian. "Ms Gillard conveyed to me that she thought she had been 'shabbily' treated after eight years of service." The firm's probe revolved around Ms Gillard's work since mid-1992 for the Australian Workers Union and Mr Wilson as well as her direct role in establishing the AWU Workplace Reform Association for Mr Wilson. The legal entity that Ms Gillard began to establish for Mr Wilson from mid-1992 was used by Mr Wilson and his then friend, AWU bagman and West Australian branch head Ralph Blewitt, to allegedly corruptly receive hundreds of thousands of dollars from large companies. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/pm-julia-gillard-refuses-to-answer-allegations-she-resigned-from-a-law-firm-after-of-a-union-scandal/story-fndo48ca-1226453434111
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I always have an icky feeling when Christopher Pyne calls anyone's integrity out.
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notorganic wrote:I always have an icky feeling when Christopher Pyne calls anyone's integrity out. the stench of filth in this government is worse than any government that has gobe before it..... we need to get the 22 speed economy levelled out urgently so when the mining boom has collapsed we are in a good position to prevail.....at the moment we are killing the goose that layed the golden egg and saving no money for a rainy day....but hey who cares right??????
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It's good to know that I don't need to watch commercial news to hear the LNP's latest catchphrase, I can just come here and batfink repeats it for us.
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batfink wrote:scouse_roar wrote:Australia set to follow the Campbell Newman path if Abbott is elected. There hasn't been enough job losses and people plunged into poverty yet! Let's do it! Brave new world! no point living beyond your means......its a fact that we have way to many public servants and public sector workers......be nice to see some of the lazy scabs cop it like most businesses have under this pathetic leadership......it cant get worse for me so im happy for you lot to join the party that is the 22 speed economy..... :lol: That sounds about right Batfink. To many fatcat public servants. Hmm why didn't you bring up the potential pay rise that Campbell and Co will soon sign off on.
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:batfink wrote:scouse_roar wrote:Australia set to follow the Campbell Newman path if Abbott is elected. There hasn't been enough job losses and people plunged into poverty yet! Let's do it! Brave new world! no point living beyond your means......its a fact that we have way to many public servants and public sector workers......be nice to see some of the lazy scabs cop it like most businesses have under this pathetic leadership......it cant get worse for me so im happy for you lot to join the party that is the 22 speed economy..... :lol: That sounds about right Batfink. To many fatcat public servants. Hmm why didn't you bring up the potential pay rise that Campbell and Co will soon sign off on. is that the same payrise that gillard and ALL politicians get????? or you choose to forget that her income has risen 40% IN 3 YEARS.......... TBPH i am not across whats happening in state politics in QLD & VIC.....but if those staes were left in the same state as NSW was by a corrupt and inept Labor government well i can only assume the cupboard bare.......
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notorganic wrote:It's good to know that I don't need to watch commercial news to hear the LNP's latest catchphrase, I can just come here and batfink repeats it for us. catchphrase?????? what catchphrase????? i watch SBS news buddy, when i watch any news on TV......i don't read newspapers i only use them to start my fireplace....... i am sure the media you observe is heavily weighted towards the idealistic views that you hold......
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Methinks when the public service cuts start it would be a good time to invest in Canberran property.
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No matter what political allegiance you may have, Julia Gillard is unfit to govern this country, and she must go immediately.
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Everyone knows what happens when the Govt 'cuts' Public Service right?
If you don't, it's that they always cut stupidly or too deeply, then need the actual people back, but they can't hire a full time worker because that'd screw up their 'we cut the waste' mantras. So they hire 'consultants', which cost three times as much and do less work and have no investment.
The next government figures out they are spending so much on consultants, so they start hiring full time again.
Which leads to the next 'waste cutting' where the cycle is repeated.
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WaMackie wrote:No matter what political allegiance you may have, Julia Gillard is unfit to govern this country, and she must go immediately.
That is all;\. this so much.....
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macktheknife wrote:Everyone knows what happens when the Govt 'cuts' Public Service right?
If you don't, it's that they always cut stupidly or too deeply, then need the actual people back, but they can't hire a full time worker because that'd screw up their 'we cut the waste' mantras. So they hire 'consultants', which cost three times as much and do less work and have no investment.
The next government figures out they are spending so much on consultants, so they start hiring full time again.
Which leads to the next 'waste cutting' where the cycle is repeated.
simple part of all this is....productivity in Australian workers is pathetic..... the work ethic is gone......now it's all about what my rights are, and i don't give a toss about my obligations or responsibilities...........
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batfink wrote:WaMackie wrote:No matter what political allegiance you may have, Julia Gillard is unfit to govern this country, and she must go immediately.
That is all;\. this so much..... To be replaced by who? By all measures that Gillard can be judged as "unfit", Abbott scores no better.
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Quote:Internal inquiry cleared PM, law firm reveals DateAugust 20, 2012 SLATER and Gordon, the law firm for which Julia Gillard worked in the 1990s, yesterday revealed that an internal inquiry had found nothing against her over a scandal involving her former boyfriend, Bruce Wilson. Slater and Gordon issued the statement after Ms Gillard refused to say whether she had had to resign over the matter. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott called on Ms Gillard to make a parliamentary statement. A salaried partner in Slater and Gordon, Ms Gillard was advising the AWU, of which Mr Wilson was an official. He was accused of corruptly siphoning off funds. Ms Gillard later said she knew nothing of the wrongdoing and had ended the relationship. Advertisement The Weekend Australian reported Nick Styant-Browne, a former equity partner in Slater and Gordon, as saying the firm's probe included an interview with Ms Gillard, who had said she could not categorically rule out that she personally benefited from union funds in the renovation of her Melbourne home - although she believed she had paid for all the work and had receipts, which she later produced. Mr Styant-Browne, now a Seattle-based lawyer, told the newspaper the firm ''accepted her resignation''. The matter has arisen repeatedly over the years and has recently been extensively referred to in the blogosphere. On Sky TV yesterday, Ms Gillard clashed sharply with The Australian's journalist Paul Kelly who asked if it was true she had had to resign in 1995 from the firm as a result of ''their investigation into misappropriation of funds around the legal entity that you had established''. Ms Gillard said: ''I am not dignifying all of this scurrilous campaigning by going through these things point by point. ''I did nothing wrong. If you've got an allegation that I did something wrong, then put it,'' Ms Gillard said. ''I did resign from Slater and Gordon; that's a point of public record. I made the decision to do that.'' She said she was not getting into specifics about issues 17 years ago ''when you are not able to put to me any contention about why this is relevant to my conduct as prime minister today''. Ms Gillard claimed Kelly was being asked to put the questions - a claim he strongly denied. Andrew Grech, managing director of Slater and Gordon, said Ms Gillard had given the firm permission to set out details of her employment. He said she had acted for a wide variety of unions and individuals in employment-related matters including various AWU branches from 1991 to 1995. ''Upon the Slater and Gordon partnership learning of what has been described as the AWU-Bruce Wilson allegations in August 1995, it conducted an internal legal review as it would do, and has done, whenever any such allegations might be made,'' Mr Grech said. Ms Gillard had fully co-operated with the review and denied any wrongdoing. ''The review found nothing which contradicted the information provided by Ms Gillard at the time in relation to the AWU-Bruce Wilson allegations and which she has stated consistently since the allegations were first raised,'' he said. Mr Grech said that in September 1995 Ms Gillard took leave of absence to campaign for the Senate (she was the unsuccessful No. 3 candidate on Labor's ticket). Her resignation from the firm became effective on May 3, 1996, when she began work for then state opposition leader John Brumby, Mr Grech said. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/internal-inquiry-cleared-pm-law-firm-reveals-20120819-24gmj.html#ixzz241xRgb32
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:WaMackie wrote:No matter what political allegiance you may have, Julia Gillard is unfit to govern this country, and she must go immediately.
That is all;\. this so much..... To be replaced by who? By all measures that Gillard can be judged as "unfit", Abbott scores no better. well malcolm turnbull would be my pick.....abbott as an individual scores no better , howvere the coalition scores better than the ALP on a per party basis....hands down..... shame Abbott is the leader......
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:WaMackie wrote:No matter what political allegiance you may have, Julia Gillard is unfit to govern this country, and she must go immediately.
That is all;\. this so much..... To be replaced by who? By all measures that Gillard can be judged as "unfit", Abbott scores no better. well malcolm turnbull would be my pick.....abbott as an individual scores no better , howvere the coalition scores better than the ALP on a per party basis....hands down..... shame Abbott is the leader...... What do you think about Turnbull and his blatant lies about the NBN project? His complete lack of foresight in the scope of his ministry? His inability to articulate any actual policy? Is someone who defies the laws of physics and blatantly lies to the public 'fit' to be a Prime Minister? batfink wrote:macktheknife wrote:Everyone knows what happens when the Govt 'cuts' Public Service right?
If you don't, it's that they always cut stupidly or too deeply, then need the actual people back, but they can't hire a full time worker because that'd screw up their 'we cut the waste' mantras. So they hire 'consultants', which cost three times as much and do less work and have no investment.
The next government figures out they are spending so much on consultants, so they start hiring full time again.
Which leads to the next 'waste cutting' where the cycle is repeated.
simple part of all this is....productivity in Australian workers is pathetic..... the work ethic is gone......now it's all about what my rights are, and i don't give a toss about my obligations or responsibilities........... You're missing the point. The work ethic has nothing to do with it, because the work still needs to be done. The point is that public service cuts are smokescreens that end up costing more than they ever save. Edited by macktheknife: 20/8/2012 09:31:16 AM
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:WaMackie wrote:No matter what political allegiance you may have, Julia Gillard is unfit to govern this country, and she must go immediately.
That is all;\. this so much..... To be replaced by who? By all measures that Gillard can be judged as "unfit", Abbott scores no better. Appoint a High Court Judge as ‘Administrator’ for a short term until a proper PM is found. Some Euro countries have gone down this road apparently. Anyone but Gillard, put a Taxi driver there if you must. She is not fit to govern the country. Period. The Slater and Gordon/AWU/Wilson/Gillard matter from 1995 is evidence that she is a crook.
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macktheknife wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:WaMackie wrote:No matter what political allegiance you may have, Julia Gillard is unfit to govern this country, and she must go immediately.
That is all;\. this so much..... To be replaced by who? By all measures that Gillard can be judged as "unfit", Abbott scores no better. well malcolm turnbull would be my pick.....abbott as an individual scores no better , howvere the coalition scores better than the ALP on a per party basis....hands down..... shame Abbott is the leader...... What do you think about Turnbull and his blatant lies about the NBN project? His complete lack of foresight in the scope of his ministry? His inability to articulate any actual policy? Is someone who defies the laws of physics and blatantly lies to the public 'fit' to be a Prime Minister? batfink wrote:macktheknife wrote:Everyone knows what happens when the Govt 'cuts' Public Service right?
If you don't, it's that they always cut stupidly or too deeply, then need the actual people back, but they can't hire a full time worker because that'd screw up their 'we cut the waste' mantras. So they hire 'consultants', which cost three times as much and do less work and have no investment.
The next government figures out they are spending so much on consultants, so they start hiring full time again.
Which leads to the next 'waste cutting' where the cycle is repeated.
simple part of all this is....productivity in Australian workers is pathetic..... the work ethic is gone......now it's all about what my rights are, and i don't give a toss about my obligations or responsibilities........... You're missing the point. The work ethic has nothing to do with it, because the work still needs to be done. The point is that public service cuts are smokescreens that end up costing more than they ever save. Edited by macktheknife: 20/8/2012 09:31:16 AM of course work ethics have something to do with it......if you only need 10 highly productive people to carry out a task why employ 20?????? it's just waste..... and as far as the NBN goes the principle is good but the design and implementation are woeful.... its also some thing that private companies would roll out far more efficiently and competetively........
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