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RJL25 wrote:As much as Labor and Labor supported media have been trying to make the link notor, I really don't believe that the swinging voters (who are really the only voters that matter, at the end of the day) are making the link between Jones and Abbott.
Jones is only on air in Sydney as well, you must remember. Sure people in the rest of the country have heard of him, but how much do they care? Not much. I feel the over reaction has mainly been in media-land, it was all a bit of a non-event after a day or two out in the general population. Rubbish. It's been consistently all over the media in Melbourne and the Internet every day.
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ozboy wrote:RJL25 wrote:As much as Labor and Labor supported media have been trying to make the link notor, I really don't believe that the swinging voters (who are really the only voters that matter, at the end of the day) are making the link between Jones and Abbott.
Jones is only on air in Sydney as well, you must remember. Sure people in the rest of the country have heard of him, but how much do they care? Not much. I feel the over reaction has mainly been in media-land, it was all a bit of a non-event after a day or two out in the general population. Rubbish. It's been consistently all over the media in Melbourne and the Internet every day. Read my post again. I made it pretty clear that the media are indeed beating it up strongly, doesn't mean the general population are listening however.
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RJL25 wrote:ozboy wrote:RJL25 wrote:As much as Labor and Labor supported media have been trying to make the link notor, I really don't believe that the swinging voters (who are really the only voters that matter, at the end of the day) are making the link between Jones and Abbott.
Jones is only on air in Sydney as well, you must remember. Sure people in the rest of the country have heard of him, but how much do they care? Not much. I feel the over reaction has mainly been in media-land, it was all a bit of a non-event after a day or two out in the general population. Rubbish. It's been consistently all over the media in Melbourne and the Internet every day. Read my post again. I made it pretty clear that the media are indeed beating it up strongly, doesn't mean the general population are listening however. What? People stick their fingers in their ears?
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Quote:Master of ceremonies Simon Berger resigns from Woolworths after he was caught lying in Alan Jones cover-up by: Jordan Baker From: The Sunday Telegraph October 07, 2012 12:00AM YOUNG Liberals have been caught lying about the dinner at which broadcaster Alan Jones said Julia Gillard's father had "died of shame". Several attendees told journalists the speech was off the record in a bid to deflect pressure from the Sydney University Liberal Club and Jones. Several young Liberals told ABC-TV's Media Watch show, and at least one, an employee of The Australian newspaper, told Fairfax that they heard master of ceremonies Simon Berger ask any journalist to declare him or herself at the start of the September 22 dinner.That claim was used by Fairfax and others to allege the Chatham House rule applied, prohibiting reporting. But The Sunday Telegraph can reveal a tape and a transcript of Mr Berger's speech proved neither he nor anyone else asked journalists to identify themselves or declared the night off the record. It also proved the Chatham House rule wasn't mentioned. After reading the transcript and hearing the audio, Media Watch conceded the Young Liberals' stories cannot be verified. In an email to senior investigative reporters sent on Friday, a Media Watch producer said "we have no evidence that the Sydney University Liberal Club dinner was declared to be under the Chatham House rule. "It seems very doubtful that the MC asked journalists to declare themselves. We will be making that clear," she wrote. Mr Berger resigned as a government relations manager at Woolworths on Friday just hours after The Sunday Telegraph sent it the transcript. The tape reveals Mr Berger had accused Ms Gillard of being "beyond just hopeless". He designed the chaff bag jacket signed and bought at auction by Jones. He also praised Jones' call for the prime minister to be put in a chaff bag and be dumped at sea. "She is beyond just hopeless and so (Jones) brought back the chaff bag and put the prime minister in a chaff bag, Wayne Swan in a chaff bag, Bob Brown in a chaff bag, Chris Hartcher in a chaff bag, Clover Moore in the chaff bag and Barack Obama in a chaff bag," Mr Berger said. He also made a joke about his employer. "If (Jones's interviewees) are cowardly he is a bit more disappointed and says, 'These people get their spines at Kmart', which I'm fine with because as we know I actually get my spine from Big W (owned by Woolworths)." A Woolworths statement read: "While Simon attended the function in a private capacity, he has acknowledged it has directly affected his ability to carry out his role at Woolworths as a member of our corporate affairs team." It can also be revealed the guest who told Fairfax on condition of anonymity that reporters were asked to identify themselves and that the events were "off the record" was Mitchell Nadin, a cadet on The Australian. The Sunday Telegraph and The Australian are published by News Limited. Nadin did not tell his employers he was at the event until the story broke in this newspaper a week later. When challenged, Nadin on Friday gave a statement to his employers, insisting he had heard Mr Berger's remark. "Early in the evening, Simon Berger said words to the effect: 'This is probably a good to time to ask - are there any working journalists in the room'?" Nadin's statement said. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/master-of-ceremonies-simon-berger-resigns-from-woolworths-after-he-was-caught-lying-in-alan-jones-cover-up/story-fndo28a5-1226489835102
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ozboy wrote:RJL25 wrote:ozboy wrote:RJL25 wrote:As much as Labor and Labor supported media have been trying to make the link notor, I really don't believe that the swinging voters (who are really the only voters that matter, at the end of the day) are making the link between Jones and Abbott.
Jones is only on air in Sydney as well, you must remember. Sure people in the rest of the country have heard of him, but how much do they care? Not much. I feel the over reaction has mainly been in media-land, it was all a bit of a non-event after a day or two out in the general population. Rubbish. It's been consistently all over the media in Melbourne and the Internet every day. Read my post again. I made it pretty clear that the media are indeed beating it up strongly, doesn't mean the general population are listening however. What? People stick their fingers in their ears? well you do.....when some one puts forward an argument its quite clear your sitting behind your keyboard with your fingers in your ears going"la la la la la la la la l a".....in typical childish manner...an agitator without conviction....you should get a job a whirlpool...
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Joffa wrote:Quote:Master of ceremonies Simon Berger resigns from Woolworths after he was caught lying in Alan Jones cover-up by: Jordan Baker From: The Sunday Telegraph October 07, 2012 12:00AM YOUNG Liberals have been caught lying about the dinner at which broadcaster Alan Jones said Julia Gillard's father had "died of shame". Several attendees told journalists the speech was off the record in a bid to deflect pressure from the Sydney University Liberal Club and Jones. Several young Liberals told ABC-TV's Media Watch show, and at least one, an employee of The Australian newspaper, told Fairfax that they heard master of ceremonies Simon Berger ask any journalist to declare him or herself at the start of the September 22 dinner.That claim was used by Fairfax and others to allege the Chatham House rule applied, prohibiting reporting. But The Sunday Telegraph can reveal a tape and a transcript of Mr Berger's speech proved neither he nor anyone else asked journalists to identify themselves or declared the night off the record. It also proved the Chatham House rule wasn't mentioned. After reading the transcript and hearing the audio, Media Watch conceded the Young Liberals' stories cannot be verified. In an email to senior investigative reporters sent on Friday, a Media Watch producer said "we have no evidence that the Sydney University Liberal Club dinner was declared to be under the Chatham House rule. "It seems very doubtful that the MC asked journalists to declare themselves. We will be making that clear," she wrote. Mr Berger resigned as a government relations manager at Woolworths on Friday just hours after The Sunday Telegraph sent it the transcript. The tape reveals Mr Berger had accused Ms Gillard of being "beyond just hopeless". He designed the chaff bag jacket signed and bought at auction by Jones. He also praised Jones' call for the prime minister to be put in a chaff bag and be dumped at sea. "She is beyond just hopeless and so (Jones) brought back the chaff bag and put the prime minister in a chaff bag, Wayne Swan in a chaff bag, Bob Brown in a chaff bag, Chris Hartcher in a chaff bag, Clover Moore in the chaff bag and Barack Obama in a chaff bag," Mr Berger said. He also made a joke about his employer. "If (Jones's interviewees) are cowardly he is a bit more disappointed and says, 'These people get their spines at Kmart', which I'm fine with because as we know I actually get my spine from Big W (owned by Woolworths)." A Woolworths statement read: "While Simon attended the function in a private capacity, he has acknowledged it has directly affected his ability to carry out his role at Woolworths as a member of our corporate affairs team." It can also be revealed the guest who told Fairfax on condition of anonymity that reporters were asked to identify themselves and that the events were "off the record" was Mitchell Nadin, a cadet on The Australian. The Sunday Telegraph and The Australian are published by News Limited. Nadin did not tell his employers he was at the event until the story broke in this newspaper a week later. When challenged, Nadin on Friday gave a statement to his employers, insisting he had heard Mr Berger's remark. "Early in the evening, Simon Berger said words to the effect: 'This is probably a good to time to ask - are there any working journalists in the room'?" Nadin's statement said. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/master-of-ceremonies-simon-berger-resigns-from-woolworths-after-he-was-caught-lying-in-alan-jones-cover-up/story-fndo28a5-1226489835102 who cares this is all media hype......Julia gillard is beyond hopeless...she is that far past it there isn't a wrod to describe it.....and still the mindless morons of the worlde defend her inept record of carnage and destruction....even going as far as trying to by a seat on the UN security council with a 3 billion dollar sweetener.....FFS just get the country on track instead of trying to put your name in the record books and seeking headlines you stupid gimp....
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RJL25 wrote:ozboy wrote:RJL25 wrote:As much as Labor and Labor supported media have been trying to make the link notor, I really don't believe that the swinging voters (who are really the only voters that matter, at the end of the day) are making the link between Jones and Abbott.
Jones is only on air in Sydney as well, you must remember. Sure people in the rest of the country have heard of him, but how much do they care? Not much. I feel the over reaction has mainly been in media-land, it was all a bit of a non-event after a day or two out in the general population. Rubbish. It's been consistently all over the media in Melbourne and the Internet every day. Read my post again. I made it pretty clear that the media are indeed beating it up strongly, doesn't mean the general population are listening however. 100,000 signatures on a petition say different. The general swinging vote public are yearning for a justified reason to dislike Abbott.
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batfink wrote:Joffa wrote:Quote:http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/master-of-ceremonies-simon-berger-resigns-from-woolworths-after-he-was-caught-lying-in-alan-jones-cover-up/story-fndo28a5-1226489835102 who cares this is all media hype......Julia gillard is beyond hopeless...she is that far past it there isn't a wrod to describe it.....and still the mindless morons of the worlde defend her inept record of carnage and destruction....even going as far as trying to by a seat on the UN security council with a 3 billion dollar sweetener.....FFS just get the country on track instead of trying to put your name in the record books and seeking headlines you stupid gimp.... Women are wrecking the joint!!! Derp, derp, derp.....
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ozboy wrote:No12 wrote:notorganic wrote:I think LNP fanboys fail to understand why Gillard is so unpopular with the Australian public. She's not left enough, she's too pragmatic. If you think people see Abbott as a viable alternative you're going to have a fair bit of egg on your face come election time. He singlehandedly exposed failures and destroyed every Labour policy, Turnbull was just another KR, Abbott got in and almost won last election. Combined Labour IQ would be about 10 and in coalition with the Greens -25 and extra -25 points for getting in the coalition with them, so please just bring on the election. A scientific study released earlier this year demonstrated that, on average, left wing voters have higher IQ than right wing. BAM! Good that you did your research before you joined that group, you probably lowered their IQ average by a few notches, pity their high IQ did not reflect on voting this Labour/Greens lot in.
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notorganic wrote:Go take a pill, old man. You are posting like you took too many pills
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No12 wrote:ozboy wrote:No12 wrote:notorganic wrote:I think LNP fanboys fail to understand why Gillard is so unpopular with the Australian public. She's not left enough, she's too pragmatic. If you think people see Abbott as a viable alternative you're going to have a fair bit of egg on your face come election time. He singlehandedly exposed failures and destroyed every Labour policy, Turnbull was just another KR, Abbott got in and almost won last election. Combined Labour IQ would be about 10 and in coalition with the Greens -25 and extra -25 points for getting in the coalition with them, so please just bring on the election. A scientific study released earlier this year demonstrated that, on average, left wing voters have higher IQ than right wing. BAM! Good that you did your research before you joined that group, you probably lowered their IQ average by a few notches, pity their high IQ did not reflect on voting this Labour/Greens lot in. :lol: :lol: :lol: Hard to argue with logic like this...
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Alan Jones is not part of the opposition.
If this is what Labour has on Abbott than they are drowning in the mud they are trowing.
So let me see what happened this week that Labour does not like: 1/ Michael Williams got arrested this week and he is pretty high up in the Labour political life. 2/ Peter Slipper speaker of the house in court for sexual discrimination in court 3/Global ocean levels went down by 4mm 4/Tony Abbott’s wife publically protected her husband, who is Julia Gillard going to bring to explain she has no problems with man. 5/We wasted 3billion to gain a seat on UN Council. 6/ Abbott financially committed to road upgrades in NSW
And this is Federal Labour then you have State Labour with Joe Tripody in court over land development….. Yawn and so on…. How can anybody support this lot? They are going down as the worst scum ever assembled in the Australian political history
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Quote:PM responsible for nasty attacks: Abbott DateOctober 7, 2012 - 12:46PM Federal Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says Labor's campaign of personal attacks against him can be sheeted home to Prime Minister Julia Gillard. He says Labor ran a similar smear campaign against Campbell Newman, who led the Liberal National Party to a landslide victory over Labor in Queensland's state election in March. "We saw in Queensland before the state election up there a nasty, personal campaign against Campbell Newman and his family," Mr Abbott told Network Ten on Sunday. "This is typical of the contemporary Labor party. "When you can't defend your record, when you've got nothing of substance to say, you go personal and that's what they've been doing." Asked who was behind the campaign against him, Mr Abbott pointed the finger at the prime minister. "In the end the person who's got to take responsibility for what happens with any political party is the leader." Mr Abbott's wife Margie went on a media blitz last week to defend her husband, declaring: "Tony Abbott gets women and ... the women in Tony Abbott's life certainly get him." The opposition leader on Sunday denied his wife's public appearances indicated he was worried Labor's campaign was working. "No it's a sign that Margie thought it was time to say `That's what you think but this is the man I know'," he said. Senior government minister Nicola Roxon said Margie Abbott was entitled to sing Mr Abbott's praises, but he wasn't running for husband of the year. Ms Roxon said Labor wouldn't back off criticising the opposition leader who she maintained had an "issue with capable women". "Mr Abbott is not running in some election to be husband of the year or father of the year," the attorney-general told ABC TV on Sunday. "It is fair game for me or any other minister ... to hold him to account for his public behaviour and his public comments." However, fellow frontbencher Bob Carr hinted the government might wind back the personal attacks having made its point. "Without having discussed it with any colleagues, with any adviser of the prime minister ... whatever points needed to be made have been made," Senator Carr told Sky News on Sunday. "Women voters will make up their own minds." http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/pm-responsible-for-nasty-attacks-abbott-20121007-276ye.html
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No12 wrote:3/Global ocean levels went down by 4mm And it was colder today than yesterday. Hence anthropogenic global warming is a crock of shit. This is a perfect demonstration of why science should be the mandatory year 11 & 12 subject, well before English is.
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notorganic wrote:RJL25 wrote:ozboy wrote:RJL25 wrote:As much as Labor and Labor supported media have been trying to make the link notor, I really don't believe that the swinging voters (who are really the only voters that matter, at the end of the day) are making the link between Jones and Abbott.
Jones is only on air in Sydney as well, you must remember. Sure people in the rest of the country have heard of him, but how much do they care? Not much. I feel the over reaction has mainly been in media-land, it was all a bit of a non-event after a day or two out in the general population. Rubbish. It's been consistently all over the media in Melbourne and the Internet every day. Read my post again. I made it pretty clear that the media are indeed beating it up strongly, doesn't mean the general population are listening however. 100,000 signatures on a petition say different. The general swinging vote public are yearning for a justified reason to dislike Abbott. Liberals are still ahead in the polls What more can I say?
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Quote: Assange bids to sue Gillard for defamation
11:02 AEST Mon Oct 8 2012
Julian Assange has reportedly hired Sydney lawyers to pursue a defamation case against Prime Minister Julia Gillard.
Mr Assange has told left-leaning activist group GetUp! that Ms Gillard defamed WikiLeaks when she allegedly told a radio station in 2010 he had broken the law by releasing hundreds of thousands of US diplomatic cables, according to a statement released by the group on Monday.
"I have hired lawyers in Sydney and they are investigating the different ways in which we can sue Gillard over this statement," Assange told GetUp!
Mr Assange is holed up in Ecuador's embassy in London after seeking asylum as part of a bid to fight extradition to Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning over rape allegations.
Mr Assange also rejected claims by Foreign Minister Bob Carr that he was receiving full consular support.
"When there are statements made that there are 63 consular contacts, they are counting emails that they send my lawyer asking for some future possible appointment," he said.
"I haven't seen any member of the Australian embassy or consulate since I was in prison in 2010. And even then, all they did was bring some notepads, pens, et cetera," he told GetUp!
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ozboy wrote:batfink wrote:Joffa wrote:Quote:http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/master-of-ceremonies-simon-berger-resigns-from-woolworths-after-he-was-caught-lying-in-alan-jones-cover-up/story-fndo28a5-1226489835102 who cares this is all media hype......Julia gillard is beyond hopeless...she is that far past it there isn't a wrod to describe it.....and still the mindless morons of the worlde defend her inept record of carnage and destruction....even going as far as trying to by a seat on the UN security council with a 3 billion dollar sweetener.....FFS just get the country on track instead of trying to put your name in the record books and seeking headlines you stupid gimp.... Women are wrecking the joint!!! Derp, derp, derp..... you are a BOY all right
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Quote:Ad-free Alan Jones slams 'cyber bullies' Broadcaster Alan Jones has taken to the airwaves without commercials, blaming bullies for threatening companies associated with his show. The controversial radio broadcaster opened his Sydney 2GB breakfast show on Monday confirming that all advertisements had been suspended as the backlash over his comments about Julia Gillard's late father continued. Companies including Mercedes-Benz and ING Direct chose to pull their 2GB advertising last week as pressure mounted on Jones, including an online petition calling for a listener and advertiser boycott. Jones said 2GB suspended all commercials on Monday after serious threats were made against some advertisers. 'In the light of comments which I made, for which I've apologised, there are now comprehensive threats to destroy these businesses if they don't comply with the boycott,' he told listeners. He then launched an eight-minute diatribe about the '21st century cyber bullies' who were making the threats on social media websites. Jones said if the bullies were allowed to continue, modern Australia could become a 'dark place'. 'If this is the new Australia, then we are all at risk,' he said. His comments sparked fresh criticism, with some suggesting Jones was being hypocritical. 'So let me get this straight - Alan Jones is allowed to bully the PM several other prominent women but this isn't ok?' one person wrote on Twitter. Another said: 'Alan you have reaped reward for your own behaviour. Learn from it.' Jones slammed the online petition, hosted on Change.org, calling for the advertiser boycott of 2GB. Individuals could sign it multiple times and use pseudonyms such as 'Osama Bin Laden', he said. But a Change.org spokesman told AAP: 'Claims that large numbers of fake names are being added to the Change.org petition on Alan Jones are simply wrong.' Meanwhile the Facebook page Destroy the Joint thanked its followers for responding to the call to write to advertisers and 'destroy Alan's joint'. 'Our community feels strongly that we will not condone abuse, harassment and sexism. Let's all make sure that when we talk or write about our concerns, we never stoop to that level,' it said. 'This is not about party politics. It's about a kinder, gentler polity where we can say what we think without resorting to hate speech, bigotry and sexism. Thanks for your help and support.' - AAP http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=803342
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Oh the irony.
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Quote:Live online chat with Julia Gillard turns nasty by: Petra Starke, Social Media Reporter From: News Limited Network October 08, 2012 5:55PM PRIME Minister Julia Gillard was today attacked by foul-mouthed critics who hijacked an online question and answer session to post abusive rants, including an offensive message about her recently deceased father. ..The offensive comments arose during a live education discussion held this afternoon on the PM's official Facebook page. Media adviser John McTernan said it was moderated by staff - however many abusive messages were incredibly still visible on the page up to four hours later, as were other offensive comments posted as far back as Friday. ''The Prime Minister's Facebook site is moderated, but when comments are posted you have to do it after the fact, and when there's a lot of comments it takes time to moderate them out,'' Mr McTernan said. ''We do take things off which are offensive. Anything that's offensive that's been posted on there will be moderated out, but we don't have the capacity - with Facebook you can't filter comments before they're posted, that's all.'' Mr McTernan would not say how many people moderated the PM's Facebook page, which has more than 135,000 fans, or if there were any official guidelines for the maximum amount of time offensive posts should remain visible. Most of the offensive comments were too foul to be reported. One commenter, registered as ''Matthew Van Den Bos'' of Perth, even made reference to Ms Gillard's recently deceased father John Gillard, writing: ''How's your dad?'' Other commenters called Ms Gillard ''the worst Prime Minister ever'', and made other vile remarks. Ms Gillard drew even more abuse after the Q&A session when she posted a thank you note to those who had participated. A Friday post by Ms Gillard's Facebook page asking for fans' memories of their favourite school teacher was also bombarded by trolls abusing the Prime Minister. Some of the offensive comments appeared to have been removed from the page after inquiries by News Ltd. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/live-online-chat-with-julia-gillard-turns-nasty/story-e6frf7jo-1226490891092
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Yup, great society we have going...
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RedKat wrote:It is a sad that people get a kick out of it.
From a political view, this coupled with the Abbot hates women scare campaign (Today Tonight could learn some tips off labor) will gain her some votes.
Waiting for them to try link this person to Abbott as well.
Edited by RedKat: 8/10/2012 09:36:46 PM oooh thats controversial RedKat! Suggesting that Labor run scare campaigns... your gonna have a certain forumite coming for you after that one!
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Quote:Alan Jones: I'm the person that's led this charge By David Marr, Sydney December 13, 2005
BY THURSDAY last week Alan Jones was screaming like a race caller whose horse was coming home. "I'm the person that's led this charge here. Nobody wanted to know about North Cronulla, now it's gathered to this."
The riot was still three days away and Sydney's highest-rating breakfast radio host had a heap of anonymous emails to whip his 2GB listeners along. "Alan, it's not just a few Middle Eastern bastards at the weekend, it's thousands. Cronulla is a very long beach and it's been taken over by this scum. It's not a few causing trouble. It's all of them."
Sunday's trouble did not come out of the blue. It was brewing all week on talkback radio — particularly on 2GB.
Radio doesn't get much grimmer than Alan Jones' efforts in the days before the Cronulla riot. He was dead keen for a demo at the beach — "a rally, a street march, call it what you will. A community show of force."
He assured his huge audience he "understood" why that famous text message went out and he read it right through again on air. "Come to Cronulla this weekend to take revenge. This Sunday every Aussie in the Shire get down to North Cronulla to support the Leb and wog bashing day …"
Daily he cautioned his listeners not to take the law into their own hands, but he warmed to listeners who had exactly that on their minds.
Last Thursday Charlie rang to suggest all junior footballers in the Shire gather on the beach to support the lifesavers. "Good stuff, good stuff," said Jones.
"I tell you who we want to encourage, Charlie, all the Pacific Island people because, you want to know something, they don't take any nonsense. They are proud to be here — all those Samoans and Fijians. They love being here. And they say, 'Uh huh, uh huh. You step out of line, look out.' And, of course, cowards always run, don't they?"
When John called on Tuesday to bluntly recommend vigilante action — "If the police can't do the job, the next tier is us" — Jones did not dissent. "Yeh. Good on you, John." And when he then offered a maxim his father had picked up during the war — "Shoot one, the rest will run" — the broadcaster roared with laughter. "No, you don't play Queensberry's rules. Good on you, John."
It was horrible stuff, larded with self-congratulation. And pity poor Berta — "not of a Middle Eastern family" — who tried to argue there were two sides to this story. When she reported hearing "really derogatory remarks" aimed at Middle Eastern people on Cronulla beach, Jones cut her off: "Let's not get too carried away, Berta. We don't have Anglo-Saxon kids out there raping women in western Sydney."
Yesterday, 2GB broadcasters claimed two-thirds of calls coming into the station supported "what happened" at Cronulla on Sunday. But Alan Jones is not around to deal with the aftermath. He's having a well-earned holiday.
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Quote:When bullies play victim DateOctober 8, 2012 - 1:42PM In a classic case of Goliath imitating David, it's hard to believe Alan Jones's latest tactic in the saga about his offensive comments about the Prime Minister's father. Crying crocodile tears, Jones today alleged that the thousands of people demanding his advertisers cease supporting him are "cyber-bullies", accusing them of running a campaign of "cyber-terrorism". "They don't have the right - or should not - to attempt cyber-bullying of people who listen to this program or advertise on it," said Jones this morning. "Businesses have great difficulty doing business while withstanding that stuff... if this is not illegal, it ought to be". As an activist I've run corporate campaigns demanding better of some of Australia's biggest companies. From Woolworths to Harvey Norman, I've worked with thousands of everyday Australians calling for more ethical corporate behaviour. Over and over, when corporations realise they're getting a strong dose of customer feedback, I've seen the same two reactions emerge as the standard formulaic response. First, they belittle the people contacting the company in question, calling them "keyboard activists" as though their opinion somehow counts less because they've sent an email rather than filled out a customer survey form. 2GB's early message to their advertisers followed this well-worn path, telling the companies not to worry. It dismissed the complaints as just coming from people "behind the keyboard". Perhaps it doesn't realise that almost all Australians under the age of 80 can fit into the category of knowing how to type! But people have always used the medium in front of them to make their voices heard. Whether it's Twitter, Facebook, email, letter-writing or calling talkback radio, they're all valid ways to get a message across. Soon, the target of a corporate campaign begins to realise that the message is starting to bite, regardless of the medium. They then move on to their next tactic: attempting to silence the feedback by claiming they're being bullied. At the Woolworths' AGM last year, chairman James Strong stood up and labelled as "bullying" a campaign in which 76,000 customers, employees and shareholders had signed a petition calling on the company to make its poker machines more responsible through limiting bets to $1 per spin. I was dumbfounded. Woolworths is one of Australia's most powerful companies, worth $36.5 billion. They have a section on their website for customer feedback. "We value your feedback," it states. Yet when 76,000 Australians decided to give them feedback about Woolies making millions of dollars by preying on problem gamblers, Woolworths felt bullied? We've seen the same tactic used by the Australian Food and Grocery Council when they called it "blackmail" after customers demanded they stop issuing misleading information about the carbon price. Harvey Norman also tried this line of attack when proof emerged that the company was using old-growth forests in their products. Gerry Harvey's voice blaring down the other end of the phone calling me a bully was so loud that my taxi driver thought I was listening to talkback radio through my phone. These companies are trying to convince the public that they're David and we're Goliath. But the reality is otherwise. We live in a country that values basic principles like free speech and freedom of political association. As consumers, just as citizens, we have a right to make our voices heard. Whether it's through a customer feedback form, or an email, we have a right to collectively organise. And the fact that over 70 advertisers pulled out of Jones's show (no wonder 2GB "suspended" advertising) is proof that by aggregating our power we can make a real impact. A competitive marketplace gives us options, and nowadays people look at more than just price when making purchasing decisions. Companies forget this at their peril. Jones's comments this morning don't just reveal his ignorance about the commercial marketplace. They also show a callousness towards the victims of real cyber-bullying. Only eight weeks after the vicious anonymous online attacks on Charlotte Dawson, Jones is throwing around the phrase "cyber-bullying" as synonymous with online feedback from customers of companies who advertise on 2GB. In doing so he belittles the experiences of people who genuinely bear the brunt of this 21st-century scourge. Customers emailing advertisers with feedback is not akin to online death threats. And Jones should know the difference. From suggesting the Prime Minister should be put in a chaff bag to attacking climate scientists, Jones is the expert in real bullying. It's no wonder John Laws said of Mr Jones: "If hypocrisy were an Olympic sport, Jones would have won the gold medal." Simon Sheikh is the former National Director of advocacy group GetUp! Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/when-bullies-play-victim-20121008-278ki.html#ixzz28hzSZxnq Edited by Joffa: 8/10/2012 11:07:47 PM
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Jones wrote: We don't have Anglo-Saxon kids out there raping women in western Sydney Have always got a good laugh out of this quote from Jones. One of his best :lol:
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REMOVE CAMPBELL remove campbell you are worst premier. you are the premier idiot you are the premier smell. return to brisbane. to our brisbane cousins you may come NQ. you may live Charters towers….ahahahaha ,south QLD we will never forgeve you. southern rascal FUck but fuck arsehole stink brisbane poofters.brisbane floods best day of my life. take a bath of dead southerners..ahahahahahBRISBANE WE WILL GET YOU!! brisbane we kill the premier.... REMOVE CAMPBELL FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. townsville+cairns+bowen+ingham=kill brisbane… we are rich and have gold now hahahaha ha because of mining… you are ppoor stink southerner… you live in a CBD hahahaha, you dont have a backyard fuck the gold coast ,..FUCKk ashol brisbaners no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur state. 2pac aliv and real strong wizard in NQ he kill all the brisbane farm aminal with rap magic now we the QLD rule .ape of the zoo prime minister gillard fukc the great satan and lay egg this egg hatch and brisbane wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our royalties we will crush u lik a skull of pig. NQ greattst state
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Hoff wrote:REMOVE CAMPBELL remove campbell you are worst premier. you are the premier idiot you are the premier smell. return to brisbane. to our brisbane cousins you may come NQ. you may live Charters towers….ahahahaha ,south QLD we will never forgeve you. southern rascal FUck but fuck arsehole stink brisbane poofters.brisbane floods best day of my life. take a bath of dead southerners..ahahahahahBRISBANE WE WILL GET YOU!! brisbane we kill the premier.... REMOVE CAMPBELL FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. townsville+cairns+bowen+ingham=kill brisbane… we are rich and have gold now hahahaha ha because of mining… you are ppoor stink southerner… you live in a CBD hahahaha, you dont have a backyard fuck the gold coast ,..FUCKk ashol brisbaners no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur state. 2pac aliv and real strong wizard in NQ he kill all the brisbane farm aminal with rap magic now we the QLD rule .ape of the zoo prime minister gillard fukc the great satan and lay egg this egg hatch and brisbane wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our royalties we will crush u lik a skull of pig. [size=9]NQ greattst state[/size]  -PB Edited by paulbagzFC: 8/10/2012 11:46:36 PM
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Hoff wrote:REMOVE CAMPBELL remove campbell you are worst premier. you are the premier idiot you are the premier smell. return to brisbane. to our brisbane cousins you may come NQ. you may live Charters towers….ahahahaha, south QLD we will never forgeve you. southern rascal FUck but fuck arsehole stink brisbane poofters.brisbane floods best day of my life. take a bath of dead southerners..ahahahahahBRISBANE WE WILL GET YOU!! brisbane we kill the premier.... REMOVE CAMPBELL FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. townsville+cairns+bowen+ingham=kill brisbane… we are rich and have gold now hahahaha ha because of mining… you are ppoor stink southerner… you live in a CBD hahahaha, you dont have a backyard fuck the gold coast ,..FUCKk ashol brisbaners no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur state. 2pac aliv and real strong wizard in NQ he kill all the brisbane farm aminal with rap magic now we the QLD rule .ape of the zoo prime minister gillard fukc the great satan and lay egg this egg hatch and brisbane wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our royalties we will crush u lik a skull of pig. NQ greattst state Soo... That was weird Hoff wrote:to our brisbane cousins you may come NQ. you may live Charters towers….ahahahaha Except that bit, that bits piss funny! :lol:
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Hoff wrote:REMOVE CAMPBELL remove campbell you are worst premier. you are the premier idiot you are the premier smell. return to brisbane. to our brisbane cousins you may come NQ. you may live Charters towers….ahahahaha ,south QLD we will never forgeve you. southern rascal FUck but fuck arsehole stink brisbane poofters.brisbane floods best day of my life. take a bath of dead southerners..ahahahahahBRISBANE WE WILL GET YOU!! brisbane we kill the premier.... REMOVE CAMPBELL FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. townsville+cairns+bowen+ingham=kill brisbane… we are rich and have gold now hahahaha ha because of mining… you are ppoor stink southerner… you live in a CBD hahahaha, you dont have a backyard fuck the gold coast ,..FUCKk ashol brisbaners no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur state. 2pac aliv and real strong wizard in NQ he kill all the brisbane farm aminal with rap magic now we the QLD rule .ape of the zoo prime minister gillard fukc the great satan and lay egg this egg hatch and brisbane wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our royalties we will crush u lik a skull of pig. NQ greattst state
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Hey Ozboy, what do you think of this rebuttal of the Brown University study, that fallaciously posited left wing people are intellectually superior to right wing people. http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=5118You just can't trust left wing people with logic and facts Ozboy. You can trust them with do interesing things with vague abstract concepts and symbols, and fancy ideologies that make no pragmatic sense and are usually dangerous when put into practice, and the deliberate manipulation of truth because they don't like it, but you can't trust them with facts, logic, and reality, that is the domain of the right. Edited by rusty: 9/10/2012 01:16:51 PM
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