Startup capital was tax money, the multiples of return will be government revenue. The argument that it is wasted money because you're part of the 4% of Australians that can't get fibre is silly.

i didn't say it was a waste of money.....and i am right t is not self sufficient......but carry one as per usual........so tell me if the design of the NBN is so fucken awesome why do people such as myself who are only 1.2klm from an exchange miss out??????

If you're in a fixed wireless or satellite location the copper ADSL will be kept.

It's only in the FTTH roll-out that the old copper system is shut down (18 months after the roll-out is complete in a network area).

Do a speedtest.net test, so we can see your speed.

Edited by macktheknife: 19/4/2013 01:34:27 PM

4%

Also, as per macks post... You get to keep your adsl2 anyway.

So is there an actual problem?

Additional there is a program for FTTP extensions.

I'd suggest you contact your local council/shire and ask them if they are investigating the potential to have an extension done.

If you aren't getting FTTP you would be in a small town, under 1000 premises.

funny thing with all the talk of fibre...which i like as an improvement of the network backbone, to the Node...is the differing projections of wireless takeup over the next decade. Ie going up and up...so too much fibre looks very much overdone if it goes all the way to the home.
Coalition policies looking smarter, there are good reasons why most countries are not overinvesting in fibre to the home.
As an overall network improvement is one thing, all the way to home is overkill perhaps.
Its disingenuous to say all tech analysis is in favour of so much fibre, especially when cost is factored in which it especially should be with public funding, despite the instinct of some folks...

yes there is a problem, as time passes by how will the 4% of the population deal with restricted bandwidth ????? an application increase there need for speed and throughput???????

so stiff shit for the 4%....who just happen to pay tax and many are in regional area's????

and i dont believe the figure of 4% is anywhere never the actual number of people who will miss the boat,

why can't i get fibre as well, i live in sydney??????

pretty sure if you work the numbers and every town with less than 1000 premises misses out you will end up with shit loads more than 4% of the population

4% of the population is 905,000 people give or take. So roughly 1000 towns less that 1000 people assuming totals are close to 1000. I'm no population expert but that sounds fairly believable to me.

from a party who's predictions and numbers have been off target on just about everything they forecast..........](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

1000 premises.....not people


so based on your comment 1000 x 1000 = 1,000,000 x 3 to 4 people in each house.......

yeah.......:-k

Yeah and guess how you get the data to the towers that provide the wireless?

FUCKING FIBRE.

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Fuck me dead.

-PB

Fixed Wireless won't always be capped at the speed it is at now ffs, even NBN Sat will push 25mbps when they finally launch their own satellite and not have to deal with IPStar.

Fixed Wireless is a technology that will end up rivalling 4G/LTE in terms of performance but will differ in allowable connections thanks to directional antennae and how its set up at the house hold level.

Main reason why it hasn't been bumped up just yet as they have to get the backbone for the towers upgraded to suit the higher bandwidth, that and the fact they have to put in all the fibre interconnects back to exchanges/other connected areas.

-PB

yeah yeah.....but at the end of the day fixed wireless is not as robust as copper or fibre and during storms and badweather the speed will fall back to slower speeds or drop out...

just had it confirm by the NBN call centre, also my area isn't in any plans inside of the next 3 years....

pretty sure he was suggesting fibre all the way to the premises......

lol @ anyone against FTTH.

Clueless.

i'm not against FTTH.......

just like to know why i don't get it and i'm 1.2klms from the exchange

Where do you live?

What town?

Can you do a speedtest.net speed test so I can see what your speeds are now?

Mulgoa

9 meg at the moment

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Hence why its a good thing to upgrade fibre as a Backbone, as the coalition does like i said...to the Node not the Premises...unless there are towers on every premises...

If u want it to your premises, coalition nbn allows individuals to pay to get it ...

And cheers batfink... :)


Edited by blacka: 19/4/2013 03:53:26 PM

Hm. I've had a look, and Mulgoa is a Band 3 ULL location so it won't automatically qualify for the newly implemented Band 1 & 2 requirements. That won't automatically mean you don't get it, because there are a number of places in the rollout that are Band 3 & 4 that do have it.

It has 600 'dwellings' according to the last census, do you think there might be another 400 non-'dwelling' premises like business, schools etc? I'd guess probably not.

Mulgoa looks to me like it's going to be a very line ball location. You should definitely contact your local council and government reps and see what they are doing about it.



The existing NBN the user pays for it through their monthly costs. It's already built into the plan costs.

Unlike the fraudband fail NBN where you have to pay $5k to get it at all.

Edited by macktheknife: 19/4/2013 03:54:22 PM

Well technically ...overall... the nbn aint paid for till its done, and given the timeframes are already a moveable feast that will translate to cost. The costs for a centrally planned beast such as nbn are not set or concrete and will blow out. But dont worry labor can stick it on the credit card to make up the difference eh...

The money saved by coalition plan is better deployed elsewhere. And they are less likely to overrun as it is the 'last mile' where most cost and time overruns come in.

If people want super duper fibre they should have to be user pays imo. For most people the increased speeds under the coalition plan is plenty enough. Turnbull and Abbott know this ...their plan is the wiser of the two. Let people pay the 5k if they think it is worth it. User pays as it should be for the Premium service.


Edited by blacka: 19/4/2013 04:10:12 PM

how dare you suggest that the user pays...!!!! that's unheard of....what..!!you actually expect me to pay for something i want????? how does that fit into the aussie ethos of "entitlement", the government should pay for me to have it and the taxpayers should fund it.....and we worry about the nations debt later on....maybe we couls sign up on 120 month interest free??

only problem here is that the way to country is going there won't be any taxpayers or any companies to pay for it.......

i have called and there is no plan in the next 3 years, if they do do something it will be fixed wireless.....

i am fine with what i have at the moment, but i dare say in 5 years from now i will be rooted.....

we currently shift about 120 gig a month on plans,specifications and CAD files for electrical high speed data and fibre designs

Edited by batfink: 19/4/2013 04:32:44 PM

:lol:

Exactly batfink but people these days live in a world where real money has no value to them...a world of debt, deficits and fiat money printing...no wonder its such an entitlement society.

Cant wait for the libs to be back in, never appreciated how good they were to keep debt so low and have government live to its means. Sure our debt to gdp is low now by world standards but lets keep it that way.

@batfink - Maggie was right when she said the trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.

yes...well i don't have a problem with government going into debt, if it's for the right reasons and it's planned and managed, same as running a business sometimes you need to invest to get a return.......wish it was the case in Australia......to many people sucking off the system and producing nothing.......and the attitude of living well beyond your means for ever......doesn't make sense.......really when you look at it the planet is living beyond its means....homo sapiens are the biggest pest on the planet....we demand so much from mother nature and do little to respect her and the planet and still don't get the message that it cant just keep going on and on..........we are all to heavy consumers at any cost.......

Fuck me swinging you are clueless, literally no idea.

Watch this ffs and learn something;

http://simonhackett.com/2013/04/09/cd-syd-2013-problem-with-fttn/

May it be a reminder that the whole point of the NBN is for the Government to gain control over the telecommunications infrastructure again thanks to the last LIBERAL government selling all of fucking Telstra off.



As for Fixed wireless batfink, for your speeds to drop off/cut out entirely you would have to be looking at apocalyptical type rainfall.

My parents NBN Sat connection doesn't cut out even when they're having falls of more then 50mil+ an hour and that is in one of the wettest parts of the country.

As for speed, on my backup 4G connection on my home router with a cheap directional aerial pointed at my nearest Telstra tower I can get 30+ mbps down and 5+ mbps up and that's with peak hour congestion on that 3G network (tower isn't even LTE, I'm using HSPA+).

The problem isn't the technology, the problem lies with plans and pricing.

As for robustness compared to copper, you clearly don't live in a flood prone area.

After Yasi my ADSL speeds almost quartered and the speed never returned thanks to flood damaged 50+ year old copper.

-PB

As for Fixed wireless batfink, for your speeds to drop off/cut out entirely you would have to be looking at apocalyptical type rainfall.

My parents NBN Sat connection doesn't cut out even when they're having falls of more then 50mil+ an hour and that is in one of the wettest parts of the country.

As for speed, on my backup 4G connection on my home router with a cheap directional aerial pointed at my nearest Telstra tower I can get 30+ mbps down and 5+ mbps up and that's with peak hour congestion on that 3G network (tower isn't even LTE, I'm using HSPA+).

The problem isn't the technology, the problem lies with plans and pricing.

As for robustness compared to copper, you clearly don't live in a flood prone area.

After Yasi my ADSL speeds almost quartered and the speed never returned thanks to flood damaged 50+ year old copper.

-PB[/quote]

yeah well i called the NBN company and asked them if the fixed wireless drops out during storms and and confirmed that they definately do, especially if you are on the distance extremity of the tower, we get loads of lighting strikes around our area......my brother has sat and his drops always and he whinges constantly about how shit it is......

as far as 50 year old copper....i am sure you would agree that's pretty good after 50 years...... you can achieve speeds of 10gbts over copper without to much drama