The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
What's wrong with this picture?



It's in Wanderers colours. That's a start. :lol:

WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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They aren't illegal. For seconds.
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Hoff wrote:
I'm not critiquing or aruging dude. I was just asking you a question. I'm worried about you m8; you seem like you need to call lifeline or something.


:?

well when u use it as a reply to a statement its most likely going to be taken as critique of that statement...

PM me if u want to have a social convo, in this thread im really just putting an objective argument forward.

But if i may offer a suggestion...do keep the pseudo diagnostics to yourself with people u dont know...its not something id ever offer up to someone on a public forum who i dont know, if that makes me odd then i guess i'll happily accept that.

Strange comment to make is all...imo...
:)
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When these people arrive, why not send the queue jumpers on the plane to the nearest UN refugee camp and take in an equal number of people from the camp who have been waiting and following the process? Why reward people just because they have money?

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notorganic wrote:
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nothing has been soundly rebutted.......


Au contraire my friend, everything you have complained about regarding the NBN has been soundly rebutted in this thread by people that know far more about the project than you or I.

Everything you have raised. Literally everything.

batfink wrote:
so how will the government generate the said revenue you quoted of $2 billion a year???


Are you asking where the bulk of NBN Co.s income comes from, or are you asking me to explain the inner workings of NBN Co. to you?

The former is pretty easily found with Google. The latter is probably commercially confident information.




all of the above is only your opinion......
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Firstly I've outlined before that the current NBN rollout has been delayed schedule-wise due to the following factors:
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Protracted negotiation between NBNCo and Telstra (9mths) to compensate Telstra for loss of landline customers (legally unavoidable) and to allow NBNCo access to Telstra's cabling ducts along suburban streets, to save cost of NBNCo having to dig up their own trenches.
The ACCC asked for the number of POIs (points of interconnect, these are "joints" on the backbone network) to be revised (originally 11, but now 121) to improve the assurances of the minimum bandwidth guarantee. 1
According to Senator Conroy there have short-term mobilisation and ramp-up issues with the roll-out contractors (adding a 3 month delay to the start of construction).
NBNCo have also been delayed by Telstra in some cases, as some cabling pits and ducts have (partially) collapsed and Telstra being the owner of these is liable for rectifying this.
Here's the latest (2012-2015) NBNCo corporate plan here if you want to read up on the details (download the "Latest Corporate plan" PDF linked on the right):
http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/corporate-plan.html

If you look at page 37 in the corporate plan PDF document, you'll see the premises passed per day projections. You'll see post-2014 the daily rate will increase above 6,000/day until 2019 (ramp-down). This is when the roll-out is in full swing and metropolitan areas will start being covered en-masse, enabling shorter transport times for equipment, materials and crews.

In my linked post above, I pointed out there are schedule blowouts but no cost blowouts, and that the schedule blowouts are constant-time issues that do not creep up on every single suburb roll-out. You can confirm this with the graph shown on p12 of the NBNCo corporate plan – the slopes of the curves are the same, just horizontally offset.

1It should be noted with Labor's NBN you are guaranteed at least 100Mbps download and 40Mbps upload speed, if you have fibre (93% of premises), or 25Mbps (D) and 5Mbps (U) if you have wireless or satellite (7%). Within the next year this will be increased to 1GBps (D) and 400Mbps (U) for fibre users – as I mentioned before the fibre optic cable is already capable of transmitting 10Gbps itself, just that the NTD's (network termination devices) in the households have been explicitly throttled until NBNCo can assure that the network backbone can handle these speeds.

To get 100Mbps/1Gbps, you will obviously have to pay for the bandwidth yourself from an ISP – but anyone in Australia will be able to obtain them, as NBN will connect up each and every premise with the means to access the NBN for free. Businesses can purchase a commercial plan if they need symmetric upload/download speeds.

Bandwidth prices are always a function of both the maintenance/support costs of the network and also a price signal to prevent over-use of capacity. Because fibre has much lower maintenance and running costs (less power consumption, very long lifespan and immune to corrosion) and greater capacity compared to copper, you can bet your sweet bippy that most ISPs' NBN plans will always be cheaper if not the same as current ADSL plans.

See here for cost savings of FTTP:
http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/433877/fttp_could_save_700m_year_maintenance/

The Liberals' FTTN plan only states up to 25Mbps, and it makes no mention of upload speeds at all (it's theoretically possible they will trade off upload speeds for download as I mentioned before). Your speeds are totally dependent on your distance from the node, and the quality of the copper lines in your suburb.

The $1billion/yr Telstra spends on copper line maintenance will mean that inevitably the total costs of a FTTN network will dwarf that of a FTTP network. It's a matter of when, not if. Upgrading a FTTN to FTTP is not straightforward (they require different topologies). Turnbull's projected $17billion savings are going to be lost in little more than a decade – and that's ignoring any cost savings to businesses, health and education that a FTTP NBN would provide.


Also;

FTTP could save $700m a year in maintenance

-PB





past experience tell anyone with a brain that this Governemnt cannot be trusted............so now it's 7% up from 4% as stated on the NBN web page......

watch this figure rise...and nthe $50 billion price tag
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Nothing is wrong other than the way you have read the information available to you. These figures have always been the same.

93% fibre 4% fixed wireless 3% satellite.

You are part of the 4%. As previously suggested you are in a lineball town, and you should be speaking to your local council to see what can be done to get you into the 93%.

As for $50bn price tag, only 27 is coming from taxpayers and is far cheaper than the coalition plan over the course of the project. As outlined in the article above, costs have not increased, just the rollout time due to external factors such as Telstra extorting the nation for the sole benefit of their shareholders.
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It annoys me how much people whinge about cost. We are not Japan or the USA with huge populations are relatively close major cities.
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benelsmore wrote:
It annoys me how much people whinge about cost. We are not Japan or the USA with huge populations are relatively close major cities.


That actually makes cost more of a factor...large populations like japan and usa make fibre rollouts more cost effective, dont they? And our country is pretty spread out...another impact on cost...

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batfink wrote:
notorganic wrote:
batfink wrote:
nothing has been soundly rebutted.......


Au contraire my friend, everything you have complained about regarding the NBN has been soundly rebutted in this thread by people that know far more about the project than you or I.

Everything you have raised. Literally everything.

batfink wrote:
so how will the government generate the said revenue you quoted of $2 billion a year???


Are you asking where the bulk of NBN Co.s income comes from, or are you asking me to explain the inner workings of NBN Co. to you?

The former is pretty easily found with Google. The latter is probably commercially confident information.




all of the above is only your opinion......



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macktheknife wrote:
They aren't illegal. For seconds.

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notorganic wrote:
batfink wrote:
notorganic wrote:
batfink wrote:
nothing has been soundly rebutted.......


Au contraire my friend, everything you have complained about regarding the NBN has been soundly rebutted in this thread by people that know far more about the project than you or I.

Everything you have raised. Literally everything.

batfink wrote:
so how will the government generate the said revenue you quoted of $2 billion a year???


Are you asking where the bulk of NBN Co.s income comes from, or are you asking me to explain the inner workings of NBN Co. to you?

The former is pretty easily found with Google. The latter is probably commercially confident information.




all of the above is only your opinion......




nice one :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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State's $1b outsourcing bill

The state government is dramatically lifting its spending on temporary workers and contractors in the public sector to nearly $1 billion - at the same time as it lays off more than 4000 staff.

The leap in spending on temporary workers is detailed in government contracts that reveal a big rise in the use of temporary administrative staff, information technology workers and consultants.

The $930 million expected to be spent from 2011 to 2014 compares with the government's outsourcing contract for 2006-2008, which was worth about $200 million.

Among the firms to benefit from the current outsourcing contract are labour hire giants Hays, Hudson and Randstad.

Agreements with seven labour hire firms were signed in 2011, just months before then treasurer Kim Wells announced plans to cut 3600 public service jobs. This cut would save the government $998 million over three financial years, according to a budget update released in December 2011 when Mr Wells made the announcement.

In last year's budget the government announced it would axe another 600 public service jobs, meaning 4200 public servants will go by the end of this year.

A spokeswoman for Assistant Treasurer Gordon Rich-Phillips did not directly answer questions on why the Coalition's spending on outsourcing had jumped so much.

''The Victorian Coalition government will make no apologies for seeking efficiencies within government agencies. This is an important element in maintaining a stable economic environment with a AAA credit rating,'' she said.

The spokeswoman blamed federal Labor's ''inflexible'' Fair Work Act for driving up the cost of labour.

Opposition industrial relations spokeswoman Natalie Hutchins said there were now doubts over whether the government was saving money through its redundancy program.

''This government prides itself that it is running sustainable budgets, [but] how sustainable is it to sack 4200 people and put out a $1 billion contract for casual labour?'' she said.

Ms Hutchins said the move was ''about making the public sector more insecure, the delivery of services more questionable''.

A former senior public servant said labour hire staff and temporary workers were used by government departments to hide spending on wages and to disguise how many workers they used. Spending on labour hire could be reported in accounts as ''capital expenditure'' rather than staff costs, he said. ''It is a tried and true method way of hiding the cost.''

He said some departments now had more than one-fifth of their staff employed from labour hire or as non-permanent workers.

Community and Public Sector Union state secretary Karen Batt said the government was moving to replace the permanent public service.

''The government is spending $300 million for the most recent round of redundancies while utilising sham contracting through labour hire for just under $1 billion,'' she said.

Ms Batt said the government had ''perpetuated a political fraud'' over its redundancy program.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/states-1b-outsourcing-bill-20130423-2id15.html#ixzz2RI4QyiuY
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Farrand93 wrote:
macktheknife wrote:
They aren't illegal. For seconds.


It is truly staggering just how many people seem to be completely incapable of understanding this.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Farrand93 wrote:
macktheknife wrote:
They aren't illegal. For seconds.


It is truly staggering just how many people seem to be completely incapable of understanding this.

Welp....it's a bit of a grey area isn't it? The people smuggling is illegal, the people themselves aren't. Little wonder people struggle to grasp the concept.
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afromanGT wrote:
Welp....it's a bit of a grey area isn't it?


No.
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notorganic wrote:
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Welp....it's a bit of a grey area isn't it?


No.

So essentially your link re-enforces everything I said which you decided not to quote. Well done.
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No.
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#-o
People smuggling: illegal.
Being a refugee: not illegal.

It's understandable that the huddled masses find this confusing.
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wonder how many would come if there were no handouts when they arrive?????
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batfink wrote:
wonder how many would come if there were no handouts when they arrive?????


Probably the same amount.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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batfink wrote:
wonder how many would come if there were no handouts when they arrive?????


What sort of "handouts" do you think they get?
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notorganic wrote:
batfink wrote:
wonder how many would come if there were no handouts when they arrive?????


What sort of "handouts" do you think they get?



same one's you know they get......

a mate of mine is working at a high level with the refugees and refugee advocates on 2 of the islands, he tells me so many of them have paperwork with them that has all of the welfare allowances and payments that they MAY be entitled to,and have a script of what to ask for and how to get it. shame for the large number of true refugee's who have legitimate cause for help, because like usual it only takes 1 person to ruin it for everyone.....
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paulbagzFC wrote:
batfink wrote:
wonder how many would come if there were no handouts when they arrive?????


Probably the same amount.

-PB


We're a largely socialist country, as is New Zealand and Canada. Hence why these are destinations of choice alongside those trying for USA. But as a pull factor, it pales in significance to the overall aspect of our free society from the shitholes they are coming from.

Handouts is a furphy. Immigrants get the same entitlements as any other Australian. Refugees get some extra support initially as they should.
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You know the "large number" runs somewhere between 80-95%, right?

As for your mate - anecdotal evidence will ALWAYS be useless. I know because my mate once had a beer with a public prosecutor.

But specifically, what "handouts" are you talking about?
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Is it legal or illegal for many refugees to be tortured in their country of origin?
Is it legal or illegal for many refugees to live in internment camps for many years, where rapes, murders and people dying from disease are commonplace?
Is legal or illegal or turn a blind eye to thousands and thousands of 'illegals' who overstay or misuse their tourist or study visas every year?


Boat people as a percentage of migrants to this county is something like 2% of the total migrant figure, hardly a pandemic.
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Im with Clive ...just give them plane tickets...substitute some of the existing hundred plus thousand that come every year for people who really are desperate for the opportunity. Îdeally direct them to areas that need the labour. Good for the labour market competition we need to make private sector employment in Oz more viable.

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Behind Abbott's royal tug of war
Date
April 24, 2013


Jack Waterford
Editor-at-large, The Canberra Times

Tony Abbott has done us all a favour by placing anathema on the appointment of a new governor-general by the prime minister, Julia Gillard. That's by creating a useful diversion from the dreary and depressing business of the Gillard government suicide watch, with a conundrum in which there is no simple right or wrong.

Yet simply by raising the question, Abbott has put his Queen - if not Julia Gillard - in a very difficult position, and probably made his point. The Queen of Australia has been in this uncomfortable position before, though she was protected by generally sage advice from British not Australian sources. Left to herself, we have little doubt that she would have acted differently - diligently doing what a state premier advised - and would have been put in the position which Abbott threatens, of being asked to remove a governor-general he does not particularly want, whose appointment, by a previous government, he regards as being over the odds.

The present Governor-General, Quentin Bryce, is only accidentally a part of the problem. Her term would have come up around about the time of the election, which could have been tricky had she any complicated decision-making as a consequence - say in the event of a hung parliament. Seeing this, Julia Gillard asked her to extend her appointment by six months, so that the election would be well over, and the new government (of whatever colour, but almost certainly Abbott's) would be in power at the changeover.

What Gillard did was proper and protective of the office of the governor-general. But Abbott argues that the question of a replacement for Ms Bryce should now be a matter for the prime minister after September, not the present one.

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He has a point. There is now no urgency about an appointment, and appointment is usually the prerogative of the government of the day. There was a time when the procedures about replacement began about a year before the normal end of term of the viceroy, whether so as to allow a replacement to disembarrass herself of any commitments, but, so far as that practice goes, Ms Gillard should have been initiating the process in the later part of last year, for announcement some time before September this year. Given that a governor-general strictly has no term at all, she could easily have arranged a slightly earlier departure by Ms Bryce so the successor had the full carriage of any transition. By extending the term, in short, there is an argument that she forfeited the right to choose, recommend and announce a replacement. Yet, if she presses her ''right'' to choose the person, a palace that will be the more reluctant now it has been made a public issue will take her advice.

It seems to be assumed that she has decided to make an appointment, though, so far as I am aware, she has not said so. It also seems to be assumed that whichever of Abbott or Gillard was to nominate, the successor would select a partisan likely to cause annoyance to the other side of politics. The name of John Howard has been canvassed, but I think it highly unlikely that Abbott would put him forward, or that Howard would accept. The Queen would accept the nomination, but would be bound to counsel against it, not because she has any problem with Howard but because her private office has, in her name, on previous occasions strongly opposed the translation of former first ministers to vice-regal offices. (My serious guess is that Abbott, by way of showing his cuddliness, sense of mischief and so as to shock leftie luvvies, will nominate his good friend Michael Kirby, a potentially splendid choice and also bound to be on Gillard's shortlist.)

In 1958, then Tasmanian premier Robert Cosgrove thought, and his likely successor Eric Reece agreed, that he, Cosgrove, would make a splendid next governor of Tasmania. Some think the then governor tipped off the British government, and the palace, about these ambitions. Both parties in London wanted to avoid the embarrassment of feeling obliged to refuse a formal nomination.

The British minister wrote to Cosgrove of ''the absolute undesirability and indeed impropriety of anyone of any party who had only just left active politics being appointed to the office of governor in any (repeat any) state. I could not put such a proposal to the Queen.''

Bob Menzies agreed, even though the Australian prime minister had no rights or duties in relation to state governor appointments. Professor Anne Twomey says in The Chameleon Crown: ''Menzies advised that in his view it was highly undesirable to say the least for a former state premier to be be appointed as governor of his own state, especially if he had only recently retired from public life.''

In South Australia in 1968, premier Don Dunstan faced an election on March 2. On February 26, he put in a formal recommendation to the British government that Sir Mark Oliphant, a distinguished nuclear scientist, be appointed governor, to take office before March 2.

South Australia still had a perfectly useful governor, Lieutenant-General Sir Edric Montague Bastyan, but he was a Pom and Dunstan wanted an Australian. The Brits and, probably, the Queen's private office, were horrified at the timing and thought Dunstan was trying to bounce them. It declined to process the appointment until after the election. Dunstan was told that if he were premier afterwards, the appointment could go through immediately.

On March 2 Labor and the Liberal Country League won 19 members each. The one independent said he would support Steele Hall as premier.

Twomey's account tells of Hall arguing he should be made premier because he had the numbers, but Dunstan said he should have the opportunity to test his support on the floor of the assembly: Bastyan agreed with Dunstan, who remained premier until Parliament met.

Meanwhile, the British secretary of state, anxious to resolve the question of the governor before Bastyan departed to become governor of Tasmania, asked him to ask Dunstan if Hall supported appointing Sir Mark. Hall said no; he wished to make his own nomination. Dunstan agreed not to put Sir Mark's name forward until the political situation was resolved.

Hall became premier. Dunstan, rather ungraciously, left it to Hall to tell Oliphant he was out. The Queen's private secretary, Sir Robert Adair, noted with relief how wise it had been to force delay on Dunstan.

(Oliphant later did become governor, with Don Dunstan, but three years later.)

The process for appointing state governors has been indigenised since the passage of the Australia Acts of 1986, but there is little reason to think that palace views of the proprieties has changed much. What is clear is that the Queen will ultimately accept the opinion of her political advisers of the moment (the prime minister, in relation to the governor-general, or premiers with governors). But her office will fight vigorously to protect the nominators, or their constituents, from the effect of seriously bad choices. A first minister determined to bring scandal on the vice-regal office will, of course, be indulged after being counselled against it.

Last week's Council of Australian Governments was diverted, for a while, by Joh Bjelke-Petersen-style grandstanding by Queensland Premier Campbell Newman, who wants a specifically Queensland process for changing the order of succession for the title of Queen of Queensland.

If Newman looked through the state papers and saw what the Queen herself thought of such pretensions from Queensland premiers and governors, he might shut up. Progress with the Australia Acts was not delayed so much by Queensland's filibustering but by the palace's determination that it never be put in a position of having to accept advice from any Queensland premier ever - other than the very minimum of rubber-stamping an appointment of the poor gel, or boy, mad enough to accept the post of governor.

The Queen must be given the credit not only for recognising clowns when she sees them, but for understanding that, in some climes, the tendency for delusions of grandeur is more pronounced.

Jack Waterford is editor-at-large.



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notorganic wrote:
You know the "large number" runs somewhere between 80-95%, right?

As for your mate - anecdotal evidence will ALWAYS be useless. I know because my mate once had a beer with a public prosecutor.

But specifically, what "handouts" are you talking about?


google it Matt the list is comprehensive........

hard to understand how it could be regarded as anecdotal, when this guy interviews and mediates on every refugees that arrives and has first hand experience of their cases and situation.....


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notorganic wrote:
You know the "large number" runs somewhere between 80-95%, right?

As for your mate - anecdotal evidence will ALWAYS be useless. I know because my mate once had a beer with a public prosecutor.

But specifically, what "handouts" are you talking about?


google it Matt the list is comprehensive........

hard to understand how it could be regarded as anecdotal, when this guy interviews and mediates on every refugees that arrives and has first hand experience of their cases and situation.....



I think you need to google the meaning of anecdotal...
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