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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:You know the "large number" runs somewhere between 80-95%, right?
As for your mate - anecdotal evidence will ALWAYS be useless. I know because my mate once had a beer with a public prosecutor.
But specifically, what "handouts" are you talking about? google it Matt the list is comprehensive........ hard to understand how it could be regarded as anecdotal, when this guy interviews and mediates on every refugees that arrives and has first hand experience of their cases and situation..... I think you need to google the meaning of anecdotal... but here it is for you: an·ec·dot·al (nk-dtl) adj. 1. also an·ec·dot·ic (-dtk) or an·ec·dot·i·cal (--kl) Of, characterized by, or full of anecdotes. 2. Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis: this guy is at the coalface and has plenty of experience dealing with the boat arrivals, something you or i don't have.....i wouldn't call his observations casual....he does it 50 hours a week for week stretches and interviews a very large percentage of these asylum seekers...... his opinion after doing this for the past 7 years is we are being had in about 75% of cases..... anyway i'm entitled to my opinion and you your's....so be it...
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Abbott says Labor a threat to future government Phillip Hudson Herald Sun April 24, 201310:00PM TONY Abbott has accused Labor of "booby trapping the future'' by leaving the next government with big spending plans that will make the Budget difficult to manage. The Liberal leader also says he has softened his image as a political "hard man'' and was confident "I can grow as Prime Minister''. But Employment Minister Bill Shorten said the Opposition was arrogant about winning the election and playing "hide and seek'' with its policies. Mr Abbott insisted he did not take the September 14 poll for granted. "It's never easy to win an election from Opposition,'' he told ABC TV's 7.30 program. "This is a pretty hopeless government but they're pretty clever at politics. I suspect every day they will be out there (a) milking incumbency, (b) demonising the Opposition, (c) mortgaging the future in the hope of buying a few votes and (d) booby-trapping the future in the hope that an incoming government will be saddled with a whole lot of commitments that make managing the Budget very, very difficult indeed.'' Responding to a question about his self-proclaimed image as a "hard man" in the Howard Government, Mr Abbott said voters accepted that people can change. "I'd like to think that I have grown as Opposition Leader and I am confident that I can grow as Prime Minister, should the public give me that extraordinary honour." Mr Abbott campaigned in Heathmont in the marginal Victorian seat of Deakin, held by Labor by 0.6 per cent. Prime Minister Julia Gillard visited the seat twice in the past week, including holding a community cabinet meeting in Ringwood and appearing in the Herald Sun/Sky News People's Forum in Nunawading on Monday. Mr Abbott continued to face questions about his plan to increase tax on the 3200 biggest companies to fund a more generous paid parental leave scheme. He said the Coalition would also give all businesses a modest tax cut but would not "play silly games" to speculate about the detail and abolishing the carbon and mining tax would also help business. While Mr Abbott hit out at the government announcing big spending plans, he also challenged Ms Gillard to match his promise to put $1.5 billion towards building the East-West Link Tunnel in Melbourne. The PM was in Rockhampton where she announced a 10-year plan to spend $4 billion to upgrade the Bruce Highway. Mr Shorten told Sky News it had been 85 days since Ms Gillard announced the election date but Mr Abbott had still not released his industrial relations policy despite saying a month ago it would be out within weeks. "(They are) sufficiently arrogant at taking the electorate for granted that they think they can just sneak in on a small target strategy,'' Mr Shorten said. "The Liberals hide their policy and we've got to seek it." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/abbott-says-labor-a-threat-to-future-government/story-e6frf7kx-1226629005325
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:You know the "large number" runs somewhere between 80-95%, right?
As for your mate - anecdotal evidence will ALWAYS be useless. I know because my mate once had a beer with a public prosecutor.
But specifically, what "handouts" are you talking about? google it Matt the list is comprehensive........ hard to understand how it could be regarded as anecdotal, when this guy interviews and mediates on every refugees that arrives and has first hand experience of their cases and situation..... I think you need to google the meaning of anecdotal... but here it is for you: an·ec·dot·al (nk-dtl) adj. 1. also an·ec·dot·ic (-dtk) or an·ec·dot·i·cal (--kl) Of, characterized by, or full of anecdotes. 2. Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis: this guy is at the coalface and has plenty of experience dealing with the boat arrivals, something you or i don't have.....i wouldn't call his observations casual....he does it 50 hours a week for week stretches and interviews a very large percentage of these asylum seekers...... his opinion after doing this for the past 7 years is we are being had in about 75% of cases..... anyway i'm entitled to my opinion and you your's....so be it... His opinion is purely anecdotal and therefore worthless in the theatre of ideas when it comes to asylum seekers and their "handouts" (you still haven't named any, by the way). Whether he thinks 5 or 500% of asylum seekers are having us on is irrelevant. The amount of hours he works is irrelevant. Nothing you are conveying is verifiable or falsifiable, so it's useless. That's not my opinion, it's just how data works.
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Makes sense that refugees to Australia don't come purely for the handouts, think about the journey for a second, it's not a particularly nice one. From an English point of view, you have to wonder why refugees go through the likes of Germany, France, Italy and Spain to pick England of all places.
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:You know the "large number" runs somewhere between 80-95%, right?
As for your mate - anecdotal evidence will ALWAYS be useless. I know because my mate once had a beer with a public prosecutor.
But specifically, what "handouts" are you talking about? google it Matt the list is comprehensive........ hard to understand how it could be regarded as anecdotal, when this guy interviews and mediates on every refugees that arrives and has first hand experience of their cases and situation..... I think you need to google the meaning of anecdotal... but here it is for you: an·ec·dot·al (nk-dtl) adj. 1. also an·ec·dot·ic (-dtk) or an·ec·dot·i·cal (--kl) Of, characterized by, or full of anecdotes. 2. Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis: this guy is at the coalface and has plenty of experience dealing with the boat arrivals, something you or i don't have.....i wouldn't call his observations casual....he does it 50 hours a week for week stretches and interviews a very large percentage of these asylum seekers...... his opinion after doing this for the past 7 years is we are being had in about 75% of cases..... anyway i'm entitled to my opinion and you your's....so be it... His opinion is purely anecdotal and therefore worthless in the theatre of ideas when it comes to asylum seekers and their "handouts" (you still haven't named any, by the way). Whether he thinks 5 or 500% of asylum seekers are having us on is irrelevant. The amount of hours he works is irrelevant. Nothing you are conveying is verifiable or falsifiable, so it's useless. That's not my opinion, it's just how data works. yes it's your opinion...... LOL....](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) but if that same person, ticked box's and fill out survey's and compiled a heap of data, you would regard the DATA as legitimate....where do you think data comes from Matt....Aliens???? anyway we are all aware how data is manipulated......remember "there are damn lies and statistics" i will take the voice of experience over concocted data any day of the week........did you attend a dawn service today????
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...what happened here?
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:You know the "large number" runs somewhere between 80-95%, right?
As for your mate - anecdotal evidence will ALWAYS be useless. I know because my mate once had a beer with a public prosecutor.
But specifically, what "handouts" are you talking about? google it Matt the list is comprehensive........ hard to understand how it could be regarded as anecdotal, when this guy interviews and mediates on every refugees that arrives and has first hand experience of their cases and situation..... I think you need to google the meaning of anecdotal... but here it is for you: an·ec·dot·al (nk-dtl) adj. 1. also an·ec·dot·ic (-dtk) or an·ec·dot·i·cal (--kl) Of, characterized by, or full of anecdotes. 2. Based on casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis: this guy is at the coalface and has plenty of experience dealing with the boat arrivals, something you or i don't have.....i wouldn't call his observations casual....he does it 50 hours a week for week stretches and interviews a very large percentage of these asylum seekers...... his opinion after doing this for the past 7 years is we are being had in about 75% of cases..... anyway i'm entitled to my opinion and you your's....so be it... His opinion is purely anecdotal and therefore worthless in the theatre of ideas when it comes to asylum seekers and their "handouts" (you still haven't named any, by the way). Whether he thinks 5 or 500% of asylum seekers are having us on is irrelevant. The amount of hours he works is irrelevant. Nothing you are conveying is verifiable or falsifiable, so it's useless. That's not my opinion, it's just how data works. yes it's your opinion...... LOL....](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) but if that same person, ticked box's and fill out survey's and compiled a heap of data, you would regard the DATA as legitimate....where do you think data comes from Matt....Aliens???? anyway we are all aware how data is manipulated......remember "there are damn lies and statistics" i will take the voice of experience over concocted data any day of the week........did you attend a dawn service today???? How do you propose we test these claims that you are making?
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catbert wrote:...what happened here? Statistical illiteracy combined with logical fallacies = a winning combination.
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A great example of why the Labour/FTTH/NBN solution is awesome. Today one of my main data HDDs are dying, but thanks to my 40Mbps upload speed I can backup its entirety to my cloud storage in little time. -PB
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Couldn't find another thread to put this in - what is Australia doing about this? And when can we remove these kids? Quote: Plight of Tennant Creek's invisible children can no longer be ignored
Paul Toohey The Daily Telegraph April 26, 2013 12:00AM
IT'S around 7.30pm when three young indigenous boys turn up at the Tennant Creek home of a white woman, asking her if she can give them a lift home.
The problem is, they don't have homes. Not like most of us would know them.
The boys have just had dinner next door in the home of another white woman, who does her bit to help the boys, who wander the streets all day and night.
One of the boys - 14-year-old "J" - will soon serve as chief Crown witness in the trial of a man who allegedly sexually assaulted him over a period of months.
Wandering boys and girls are the target of white and black predators in this town, 500km north of Alice Springs.
J's best mate is "L", aged 10. And there's "N", also 10.
Asked where his parents are, L says: "Out bush."
Asked why they didn't take him, he says: "Not enough room in the car."
"So they left you here in town to wander around?" He shrugs.
First we take L to the south side of town. He wants to stay with a white man, aged in his 50s, who sometimes lets L camp at his place.
My friend, the white woman, has been asking around town about this white man, but has been unable to unearth
anything negative.
She asks L if he understands about being touched inappropriately. L responds: "He's a good bloke. He doesn't even like women."
L climbs a fence but the man is not home.
Next we drive up to the Eldorado Motel, on the north side of town. The Eldorado leases 30 rooms - or 29, after someone crashed his car into one - to local Aborigines.
The situation emerged after the housing units they occupied were sold off, forcing them to vacate. It looks like an arrangement to house asylum seekers, except these are our First People.
J's family occupies one of the motel rooms, paying $270 a week for their one-bedroom unit, which has a toilet, a shower and a hand basin for running water. There are no cooking facilities.
On this night, J's mother says L can crash there for the night. There will be 10 or 11 sleeping in the single room.
Then it's off to Mulga Camp, a town camp on the northeast of town, to drop off N.
You can sense N sizing up the situation as we approach.
There is a group of women, sitting around in a big circle, playing cards. The game's been going all day. N gets out of the car, hesitates, and walks through the gate to his home - a place with walls and a roof and little else. Fortunately he's had dinner and won't go hungry tonight.
Whether the other kids hanging around have been fed will depend on whether the women have won, or lost, their Centrelink money on the gambling blanket.
The smallest children in Tennant Creek are tragically attuned to the welfare cycle, knowing what days the money lands, so that they might scrounge a feed; knowing when to disappear when the adults start drinking.
There are possibly hundreds of Aboriginal kids in this town who live off their wits, or rely on the kindness of others, as people try to provide what their parents won't give them.
It's not enough.
The next morning, J and L are wandering Tennant Creek together. There's no one to make them go to school, or even to encourage them. The school has a free lunch program, but that's not enough to lure J and L.
The boys reckon there's about 50 petrol or solvent sniffers in town at the moment, carrying on their activities in the darkness of the baseball ground.
The previous night, before dropping the boys, we took a look, but the boys said: "Hear that?" There was a series of low warning whistles as the sniffers scattered off in the darkness.
Tennant Creek was allocated $36.5 million in 2008 under the Strategic Indigenous Housing Infrastructure Project to "normalise" the town camps into modern suburbs.
They built no new homes but refurbished some, and installed kerbing and lights. The place looked like it did 10 years ago.
Except now it's even worse.
Nowhere in Australia is the welfare culture so clearly visible than in this public town on a major national highway.
And nowhere are the children so invisible.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/plight-of-tennant-creeks-invisible-children-can-no-longer-be-ignored/story-e6frezz0-1226629505564 Edited by thupercoach: 26/4/2013 11:40:25 PM
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State governments should be layer to go, says Kennett April 27, 2013 Nicole Hasham Fairfax As the O'Farrell government lays the groundwork to slash the number of councils in NSW, the question has been asked: are we getting rid of the wrong layer of government? The person posing the question, former Victorian Liberal premier Jeff Kennett, says that in an ideal world, it's not the mayoral robes that should disappear. The man who transformed Victoria with a suite of big-picture reforms in the 1990s, including cutting the number of councils by almost two-thirds, says state governments should be abolished and replaced by larger, more professional local government units. His comments follow calls by an independent panel reviewing the state's 152 councils that called for an urgent municipal makeover, including widespread mergers and the creation of three Sydney ''mega councils''. It has reignited debate about whether Australia's federalism system is outdated, and triggered questions about the relevance of the state government after the proposed council changes. In 1994, during his first term of government, Mr Kennett cut Victoria's councils through mergers from 210 to 78, slashing administrative costs enabling more to be spent on services such as roads. Mr Kennett said the three tiers of government were ''bloated'' and plagued by ''huge'' waste and duplication issues. His divisive, cost-cutting regime is credited with turning around Victoria's fortunes and he said that even during his time as premier he believed state governments should be abolished ''I've always felt that we were over-governed.'' he said. ''If we were starting from fresh today we would only have two tiers of government,'' he said. ''Just as governments are imposing restraint on everyone else, on businesses, and on communities, on individuals and families, shouldn't governments also be having a very independent assessment of their own functions, and the overlapping that exists?'' Advocates for maintaining the states say centralising federal powers promotes inefficiency and reduces competition. They claim Australia is not drowning in bureaucracy or numbers of politicians compared to international standards, and some services, such as hospitals and education, are well suited to state-level management. A constitutional law expert, George Williams, from the University of NSW, said the only way to kill off states would be through a national referendum where every state agreed to the change. Scrapping federalism was not in the interests of smaller states such as Tasmania, which wield greater clout, attract more funding and are better represented as states than they would be otherwise. The Independent Local Government Review Panel, due to present its final recommendations to the state government in September, laid out a vision for a ''global city'' of Sydney in which the City of Sydney merged with up to six surrounding councils to serve almost 800,000 residents. Such a council would have the ''stature, maturity and skills'' to work productively with the state government but should not be so large as to challenge its primacy, the report said. But Leichhardt mayor Darcy Byrne said a merger with a Sydney ''mega council'' would ''create the largest council in NSW history. If we're going down this track, it may be that the days of the state government itself are numbered.'' Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-governments-should-be-layer-to-go-says-kennett-20130426-2ik1v.html#ixzz2Rccw3Rsx
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/who-knows-pm-julia-gillard-is-under-investigation/story-e6frg6z6-1226630319702Who knows PM Julia Gillard is under investigation? BY:HEDLEY THOMAS, NATIONAL CHIEF CORRESPONDENT From:The Australian April 27, 2013 12:00AM N the days after a heated 2GB radio interview in March, during which Julia Gillard was questioned closely about the AWU slush fund scandal, a detective in Victoria's Fraud Squad, Ross Mitchell, made a strategic decision. One answer the Prime Minister gave during a dogged tussle in her interview with Ben Fordham stood out. Mitchell knew it when he heard it. The other detectives knew it too. Although seemingly innocuous to those not involved in the probe, Gillard's answer was new and pivotal. It meant police in Melbourne would need a sworn statement from Fordham in Sydney, even though as a journalist he would be expected to subsequently disclose some key facts. The actions that Mitchell and other police took in seeking further information from Fordham led to him stating in unequivocal terms on his radio show this week something that had been previously cryptically and very carefully inferred - the Prime Minister is under formal Victoria Police investigation as a result of the 18-year-old Australian Workers Union fraud. Fordham has kept a pledge to police to not publicly reveal more than this. He told his audience: "So, let me make this perfectly clear. The Prime Minister of Australia, Julia Gillard, is under investigation by police. This is fact. I hadn't planned to add to what I said yesterday out of respect for the detectives on the case. But if the Prime Minister's office wants to deny she's being investigated, as has been reported last night and today, then I will once again correct that record. Now it needs to be pointed out that the Prime Minister and her office mightn't know she's being investigated. But I know it. And others do too. The detectives are investigating three individuals and one of them is Julia Gillard. Prime Minister, you may not know this, but you are currently being investigated by the Fraud and Extortion Squad of the Victoria Police Force." Neither the Police Commissioner of Victoria, Ken Lay, nor the Prime Minister's office has sought to dispute any of Fordham's assertions. Nor is the PM's office now suggesting, as it did in March, that the Victoria Police investigation has nothing to do with Gillard. The reality is that Gillard's office cannot know the details of the probe. Lay, who has had the opportunity to correct the record if he decided that Fordham had jumped to a wrong conclusion in naming Gillard, let it stand. Lay added: "The AWU matter is under investigation. That's still current." The Prime Minister has always repeatedly, strenuously and sometimes angrily denied any wrongdoing, accusing The Australian and others of engaging in a smear campaign. For an alleged fraud being taken seriously since late last year by seasoned detectives, Australians should ask hard questions about why large sections of their media, and particularly the public broadcaster, still baulk at reporting the AWU scandal; downplay the story or, worse, self-censor; ask few or no questions; and even mock journalists who have lost their jobs for pursuing it - Michael Smith and Glenn Milne. Australia's best-resourced media outlet, the ABC, has scarcely, if at all, reported the ongoing police investigation this year. Only after Media Watch questioned the ABC's obvious reticence to look at the AWU story in any meaningful way last year, the 7.30 program belatedly weighed in. The flagship investigative program, Four Corners, has since abandoned a proposed in-depth story. Indeed, almost everything that Fordham told his listeners on 2GB this week would surprise Australians who receive their news only from the ABC. Fordham tells Inquirer that nobody from the public broadcaster has contacted him since his revelations. "I would have thought that the most powerful person in the country being the subject of an ongoing police investigation is a very significant story," Fordham says. "If others choose not to see it that way, I'm more than happy to keep covering it. "I've had reactions from some people saying: 'How do you know that it's true?' and 'Are you just making it up?' All I can keep saying is that it is 100 per cent fact. I would not say something so serious about the Prime Minister unless I could be 100 per cent sure. If I were wrong on this, there would be a good argument for my dismissal and possibly worse (a defamation action for damages). It would be career suicide and totally unfair to Julia Gillard. But I'm as certain of the facts as I am of my own name. "I'm not beating my drum and saying 'Look at me'. But if a story about the PM being under investigation is not very interesting and vitally important, I should be in another profession. The listeners are intrigued by it because they are not hearing about it elsewhere. They are not reading about it in every publication and seeing it on the TV news." With questioning so far of witnesses in Queensland, Victoria, NSW and Western Australia, up to a dozen detectives are particularly interested in the creation and operation of a union election slush fund, misleadingly called the AWU Workplace Reform Association. The entity was set up and formally registered in Perth with the help of Gillard's legal advice (as a solicitor at Slater & Gordon) to her then boyfriend and client, AWU official Bruce Wilson, and his union sidekick, Ralph Blewitt. The two men allegedly used it as a slush fund to siphon hundreds of thousands of dollars from Thiess during the construction company's development of a major project that required both labour and industrial peace from AWU members. Some of the money, which was kept secret from everyone else in the union, would go into a $230,000 terrace house at 85 Kerr Street, Fitzroy, bought by Wilson (in Blewitt's name) at an auction he attended with Gillard, whose firm would manage the conveyancing. The terrace house was Wilson's home in Melbourne during his relationship with Gillard and his time as secretary of the Victorian branch of the AWU. The money from the property's sale a few years later went directly to Blewitt and Wilson, not the union, whose national leadership discovered too late that the union had been used in a scam. In his only recent public statements Wilson has backed Gillard, saying she knew nothing about any wrongdoing. They have each attacked and ridiculed Blewitt, who has said he decided to blow the whistle because two journalists lost their jobs for trying to report the issues. For Mitchell's taskforce, one of the most interesting features of Blewitt's story is that he has told it in the knowledge that he faces going to prison. Having admitted to police an incriminating role in what he calls a fraud, Blewitt can be prosecuted and convicted. There has been no deal. One of the planks of Blewitt's story, which 2GB's Fordham latched on to in his interview with the Prime Minister in March, concerns a "power of attorney" document bearing Gillard's signature as the official witness. According to Blewitt, it was a false document. Blewitt has repeatedly said the "power of attorney" was not worth the paper on which it was written. The document permitted Wilson to buy the Fitzroy terrace house (in Blewitt's name) at auction. Blewitt, who was living in Perth at the time, claims it is bogus - that Gillard could not have "witnessed" it as they were thousands of kilometres apart at the time. In previous rejections of Blewitt's claims about this document, the Prime Minister insisted she always witnessed such documents properly as a solicitor. But Fordham tells Inquirer that all of Gillard's previous answers seemed to avoid declaring outright that she and Blewitt were in the same room when the power of attorney was witnessed. "I wanted a straight answer from the PM on that simple question when I interviewed her in March and I wasn't going to let it go," he said. Gillard finally confirmed to Fordham that she and Blewitt were in the room when the document was signed. It is an assertion that could only be wrong if Victoria Police have evidence placing them on opposite sides of Australia. Edited by wamackie: 27/4/2013 02:05:55 PM
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Quote:His comments follow calls by an independent panel reviewing the state's 152 councils that called for an urgent municipal makeover, including widespread mergers and the creation of three Sydney ''mega councils''. Last thing NSW needs is more hippy lesbian lead councils wasting millions of dollars on pointless shit like painting roads different colours or creating 'nuclear free zones' and boycotting Israel.
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macktheknife wrote:Quote:His comments follow calls by an independent panel reviewing the state's 152 councils that called for an urgent municipal makeover, including widespread mergers and the creation of three Sydney ''mega councils''. Last thing NSW needs is more hippy lesbian lead councils wasting millions of dollars on pointless shit like painting roads different colours or creating 'nuclear free zones' and boycotting Israel. I guess if the councils are bigger ...super councils...the ones that are there will be more service delivery orientated. Maybe part of the problem now is there are too many of them so they get sidetracked to less relevant issues. Though i am strongly in favour of more rainbow crossings :p The DIY chalkie ones especially are a nice grassroots movement...
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Monday, April 29, 2013
School funding reforms and the national disability insurance scheme will not be jeopardised by a $12 billion budget revenue shortfall, Prime Minister Julia Gillard will promise.
In a speech to an economic conference in Canberra on Monday afternoon, Ms Gillard will confirm Treasury estimates that weaker tax revenues will slice $12 billion from the budget bottom line for the current financial year.
That means the 2012/13 deficit is likely to be at least $11 billion, a deterioration from the $1 billion surplus forecast last year.
Ms Gillard will tell the conference that business profits are down because "the prices for what Australian companies sell overseas are lower, imports are cheaper, local competition is fierce".
That means the government is collecting less tax.
"This unusually low revenue, which wasn't forecast even a few months ago, creates a significant fiscal gap over the budget period," Ms Gillard will say.
"Put simply, spending is controlled but the amount of tax money coming to the government is growing much slower than expected."
The May 14 budget is expected to include extensive spending cuts but Labor promises they will not be so harsh that they will cost jobs or stunt economic growth.
And plans for increased school funding and disability reform will not be scrapped.
"Our nation cannot afford to leave children behind or to leave our nation's future economy limping behind the pack, unable to attract the high wage, high skill jobs of the future," Ms Gillard will promise.
Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury hinted that the government was looking at closing tax loopholes used by multinational companies to minimise tax payments in Australia.
"There is a particular issue when it comes to erosion of our revenue base from some of the multinational companies that are amongst the most profitable in the world," Mr Bradbury told ABC TV.
"This is something that I've spoken about at great length in the past but we're also determined to make sure the policy settings address this."
He said the falls in revenue experienced by the government came through "no fault of anyone".
"It wouldn't matter who was in government - they'd be facing the same set of challenges," Mr Bradbury said.
Shadow treasurer Joe Hockey said he was not surprised by the latest figures.
"The government says it's not collecting enough money but it's absolutely determined to continue with big spending initiatives," Mr Hockey told ABC radio on Monday.
"As every day passes we're getting a new number from the government."
He said coalition policies were subject to "constant review" in light of the difficult financial circumstances it potentially may inherit after the next election.
Finance Minister Penny Wong declined to confirm whether the budget deficit would be in the ballpark of $10 billion or $11 billion.
"That's budget speculation," Senator Wong told the ABC.
"There's certainly a new economic reality that the nation has to face."
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Oh Dear what a surprise, budget will be at 12 billion in deficit, after all the surplus promises all Labor can deliver is debt, sorry more taxes also.
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Turns out The Greens were correct after-all.
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paulbagzFC wrote:A great example of why the Labour/FTTH/NBN solution is awesome.
Today one of my main data HDDs are dying, but thanks to my 40Mbps upload speed I can backup its entirety to my cloud storage in little time.
-PB So that you can download your files quickly you want taxpayers to give unlimited funds to Government Broadband monopoly, what happened to you pay yourself for better services and upgrades. I want better home/ car insurance, also better hospital service and so on but do not expect government taxes to pay for it, thank God we still live in democracy and this Labor/Greens coalition will go this September, after this May Budget there will not be much left to pay for anything so we may have to bring pigeons back for our mail deliveries.
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notorganic wrote:Turns out The Greens were correct after-all. ? :? Looney party in charge of finances no thank you, they are in charge of the Labor party and look how well they are thriving Greens policies are not means tested, look how wrong they got the Carbon Dioxide price, we are paying $23 a ton The Greens wanted $57.00 and the rest of the world are now at $3.50. After September they will be no Greens party.:-({|=
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How much of that $12b would have been covered if the miners and their LNP cronies didn't have the SPT neutered?
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notorganic wrote:How much of that $12b would have been covered if the miners and their LNP cronies didn't have the SPT neutered? ummmm....doesn't matter where you look EVERY calculation or forecast has been wrong since day one...........got the surplus wrong, the cost of the NBN,how much the SPT would bring in, how much the carbon tax would deliver....ALL WRONG........... they are imcompetent....it doesn't get any simpler than that and the greens are a joke
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notorganic wrote:How much of that $12b would have been covered if the miners and their LNP cronies didn't have the SPT neutered? Gillard/Swan after knifing KR were the Mining Tax architects and look how much they have raised in revenue. Libs have nothing to do with their economic blunders. Tony Abbot PM in waiting (get used to it) summed it up real well today: “Labor does not have an income problem, Labor has a spending problem”, and yes another 300 illegal boat people have arrived over the weekend about 32.000 since Julia smashed the People Smuggler’s business model.
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No12 wrote:another 300 illegal boat people have arrived over the weekend #-o
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Howard was the biggest spender & waster the nation has ever seen.
With that in mind, has Abbott done ANYTHING to suggest that he's anything but a "Anything Howard could do, I can do similar" kind of guy?
Of course, he'll always be able to fall back on the old excuse that it was all the ALP's fault after spending so much time trying to bring the minority down and halt their progress at every step.
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Hey, big spender: Howard the king of the loose purse strings Australia's most needlessly wasteful spending took place under the John Howard-led Coalition government rather than under the Whitlam, Rudd or Gillard Labor governments, an international study has found. The International Monetary Fund examined 200 years of government financial records across 55 leading economies. It identifies only two periods of Australian "fiscal profligacy" in recent years, both during John Howard's term in office - in 2003 at the start of the mining boom and during his final years in office between 2005 and 2007. The Rudd government's stimulus spending during the financial crisis doesn't rate as profligate because the measure makes allowance for spending needed to stabilise the economy. The Whitlam Labor government of 1972 to 1975 also escapes censure. Responding to the IMF report, shadow treasurer Joe Hockey, who was a minister for financial services in the Howard government, said the Coalition left Labor with a $20 billion surplus and no net debt. "It was not John Howard and Peter Costello who wasted billions of taxpayer dollars on dangerous pink batts and overpriced school halls, it was this Labor government," he said. The economists from the IMF's fiscal affairs department found the only other year of profligate spending during the past six decades took place during the conservative government of Robert Menzies, in 1960. It says the Menzies government was notably prudent in 1950. In the postwar years of 1947 to 1949, the Chifley Labor government was deemed prudent as were the Scullin and Lyons Labor and Coalition governments between 1931 and 1935. John Curtin's Labor government was profligate in 1942. The study found that in broad terms Australia's government debt has been falling since 1932, when it peaked at 98 per cent of gross domestic product. Across all levels of government it is currently just above 20 per cent after climbing since the global financial crisis. The budget balance has been broadly stable for half a century. The key finding is that Australia has few examples of economic recklessness compared with other developed nations. Canada's government debt peaked at 143 per cent of GDP in 1946, Japan's reached 233 per cent in 2011, Israel's hit 284 per cent in 1984. New Zealand recorded government debt of 226 per cent in 1933 and a budget deficit of 7.5 per cent of GDP in 1995. Developed nations were generally at their most prudent before World War I and during the 1990s, the study finds. They were generally their least prudent during the mid-1970s and in some cases after the global financial crisis. The IMF study mirrors findings of a 2008 Australian Treasury study that found real government spending grew faster in the final four years of the Howard government than in any four-year period since the 1990s recession. The number of spending decisions worth more than $1 billion climbed from one in the first Howard budget to nine in the last. The proportion of savings measures fell from one-third of budget measures at the start of the Howard era to 1.5 per cent at the end. In its final year in office, the Coalition boosted the AusLink national roads program by $2.3 billion and announced grants for water conservation and water buybacks worth $10 billion over 10 years. Follow the National Times on Twitter Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/hey-big-spender-howard-the-king-of-the-loose-purse-strings-20130110-2cj32.html#ixzz2RomCxkdA
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Quote:Responding to the IMF report, shadow treasurer Joe Hockey, who was a minister for financial services in the Howard government, said the Coalition left Labor with a $20 billion surplus and no net debt. Congrats, you did it by selling everything and instituting massive middle class welfare policies that have left any future Government with a huge budget hole, because they can't take away the money for gravy without getting booted out of office.
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notorganic wrote:Howard was the biggest spender & waster the nation has ever seen.
With that in mind, has Abbott done ANYTHING to suggest that he's anything but a "Anything Howard could do, I can do similar" kind of guy?
Of course, he'll always be able to fall back on the old excuse that it was all the ALP's fault after spending so much time trying to bring the minority down and halt their progress at every step. You are totally wrong, Howard/Costello had less income than this lot and spent the money well, paid out the national debt of 100 billion, delivered 9 surplus budgets, put 26 billion in the future fund and had only 6 illegal immigrants in the detention… On the other hand Labor has more failed policies than all combined governments since the federation since you have memory problems I’ll mention a few: Pink Betts, School Building revolution, Offshore processing and temporary protection visas for illegal immigrants, 10 or so Tax changes to Super, Carbon Dioxide tax, Livestock exports, never delivered a budget surplus or got any financial prediction right, last budget was supposed to be a surplus and looks like 12B deficit so they tell us now wait and see in a few weeks and will be 18B and so on and on? My only question is, is there anything that they have touched that is actually working? This is the Worst government in the history of Australia with the biggest debt.
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No12 wrote:You are totally wrong The IMF says different. No12 wrote:On the other hand Labor has more failed policies than all combined governments since the federation :lol: Have any figures to back that one up? I won't hold my breath waiting.
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Abbott won't have the assets to sell that Howard had.
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So according to IMF’s spending statement :^o Labors reelection prospect must be really good:-"
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