The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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thupercoach wrote:
No idea if No12 is right or not as haven't looked into it, but it's funny how all the forum lefties immediately band together and character assassinate the deliverer rather than disproving it factually. Says a lot about the way the left conducts itself. Always the man, never the ball.


No12 has form with posting aggressive anti-ALP assertions and conspiracy and then calling everyone that dare ask for a better source all kind of adhominem conservative favourites such as communist or socially dependent.

As for you, how can you whine about people playing the man when you use sweeping generalisations like "that's just the way the left conducts itself"?

How do you disprove an anecdote, out of interest?
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paulbagzFC wrote:
No12 wrote:
It’s for Savings Accounts only inactive for over three years, was introduced three months ago by Wayne Swann, it will affect a lot of people especially the elderly and kids accounts.
Why are you comrades so surprised by the news, you did not hear it on the ABC or the Socialist Daily, thank God there are other media sources in Australia that expose this scum and their nasty policies.


Also;

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A spokeswoman for Treasurer Wayne Swan said that under the new legislation, the government would pay interest on lost money to preserve its real value until it could be reunited with its owners.


If you have an account dormant for three years and the value is about to be taken by ASIC your bank will notify you.

If you still do nothing and the money is used by ASIC, it takes filling out a form to get it back (plus interest).

If people are stupid enough to have an account lay dormant for that long and not even transfer in $1 in three years and have it wither away with fees really says volumes of how little people manage their finances.

Took me all of 5 seconds to Google this shit and find decent comments on it;

http://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/198nt3/inactive_bank_accounts_to_be_seized_after_3_years/

Maybe you, No12, shouldn't believe all the shit your read :roll:

-PB


So what is the conclusion Sherlock is there such legislation or did I make it up?

There was a law in place and the time limit was 7 years, I stated cash strapped Labor government changed it to three years, think about it there are people that are unable to always reach their money sick in hospitals, nursing homes and so on, bottom of the bird cage policy, why should anyone have their money taken from them, only to later ask for their money back. Gillard/Swann did not introduce this legislation to help anyone else but their own purse.

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paulbagzFC wrote:
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afromanGT wrote:
No12 wrote:
Cash strapped Federal Government (Labor Party) introduced new law, where every bank account funds inactive for three years will go in to consolidated revenue, previous time limit was 7 years. Inactive account is considered every account where no one withdraws or deposits funds in to that account, interest or bank charges is not taken into account when activity is considered. This law will start after 31.05.2013 so anyone with any money in accounts they did not touch since 2010 could soon kiss their money goodbye.

Are you taking the piss? That contradicts the purpose of term deposits. #-o The banks would never let this happen. As notor said, did you forward that shitty chain email?

Heard it on the radio? What, were you listening to John Laws?



It’s for Savings Accounts only inactive for over three years, was introduced three months ago by Wayne Swann, it will affect a lot of people especially the elderly and kids accounts.
Why are you comrades so surprised by the news, you did not hear it on the ABC or the Socialist Daily, thank God there are other media sources in Australia that expose this scum and their nasty policies.


God bless 60 Minutes and Today Tonight!

Where on Earth would be without such cutting edge journalism?

-PB


Amazing how you did not mention the ABC.
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No12 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
No12 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
No12 wrote:
Cash strapped Federal Government (Labor Party) introduced new law, where every bank account funds inactive for three years will go in to consolidated revenue, previous time limit was 7 years. Inactive account is considered every account where no one withdraws or deposits funds in to that account, interest or bank charges is not taken into account when activity is considered. This law will start after 31.05.2013 so anyone with any money in accounts they did not touch since 2010 could soon kiss their money goodbye.

Are you taking the piss? That contradicts the purpose of term deposits. #-o The banks would never let this happen. As notor said, did you forward that shitty chain email?

Heard it on the radio? What, were you listening to John Laws?



It’s for Savings Accounts only inactive for over three years, was introduced three months ago by Wayne Swann, it will affect a lot of people especially the elderly and kids accounts.
Why are you comrades so surprised by the news, you did not hear it on the ABC or the Socialist Daily, thank God there are other media sources in Australia that expose this scum and their nasty policies.


God bless 60 Minutes and Today Tonight!

Where on Earth would be without such cutting edge journalism?

-PB


Amazing how you did not mention the ABC.


I find the 7:30 Report and Four Corners to be of a higher standard.

But yeah you can lump them in together if you like.

All media has vested interests.

-PB

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paulbagzFC wrote:
No12 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
No12 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
No12 wrote:
Cash strapped Federal Government (Labor Party) introduced new law, where every bank account funds inactive for three years will go in to consolidated revenue, previous time limit was 7 years. Inactive account is considered every account where no one withdraws or deposits funds in to that account, interest or bank charges is not taken into account when activity is considered. This law will start after 31.05.2013 so anyone with any money in accounts they did not touch since 2010 could soon kiss their money goodbye.

Are you taking the piss? That contradicts the purpose of term deposits. #-o The banks would never let this happen. As notor said, did you forward that shitty chain email?

Heard it on the radio? What, were you listening to John Laws?



It’s for Savings Accounts only inactive for over three years, was introduced three months ago by Wayne Swann, it will affect a lot of people especially the elderly and kids accounts.
Why are you comrades so surprised by the news, you did not hear it on the ABC or the Socialist Daily, thank God there are other media sources in Australia that expose this scum and their nasty policies.


God bless 60 Minutes and Today Tonight!

Where on Earth would be without such cutting edge journalism?

-PB



Yeah I agree on them two but really had the Q&A in mind.

Amazing how you did not mention the ABC.


I find the 7:30 Report and Four Corners to be of a higher standard.

But yeah you can lump them in together if you like.

All media has vested interests.

-PB

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paulbagzFC wrote:
No12 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
No12 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
No12 wrote:
Cash strapped Federal Government (Labor Party) introduced new law, where every bank account funds inactive for three years will go in to consolidated revenue, previous time limit was 7 years. Inactive account is considered every account where no one withdraws or deposits funds in to that account, interest or bank charges is not taken into account when activity is considered. This law will start after 31.05.2013 so anyone with any money in accounts they did not touch since 2010 could soon kiss their money goodbye.

Are you taking the piss? That contradicts the purpose of term deposits. #-o The banks would never let this happen. As notor said, did you forward that shitty chain email?

Heard it on the radio? What, were you listening to John Laws?



It’s for Savings Accounts only inactive for over three years, was introduced three months ago by Wayne Swann, it will affect a lot of people especially the elderly and kids accounts.
Why are you comrades so surprised by the news, you did not hear it on the ABC or the Socialist Daily, thank God there are other media sources in Australia that expose this scum and their nasty policies.


God bless 60 Minutes and Today Tonight!

Where on Earth would be without such cutting edge journalism?

-PB


Amazing how you did not mention the ABC.


I find the 7:30 Report and Four Corners to be of a higher standard.

But yeah you can lump them in together if you like.

All media has vested interests.

-PB



Yeah I agree on them two but really had the Q&A in mind.
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No12 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
No12 wrote:
It’s for Savings Accounts only inactive for over three years, was introduced three months ago by Wayne Swann, it will affect a lot of people especially the elderly and kids accounts.
Why are you comrades so surprised by the news, you did not hear it on the ABC or the Socialist Daily, thank God there are other media sources in Australia that expose this scum and their nasty policies.


Also;

Quote:
A spokeswoman for Treasurer Wayne Swan said that under the new legislation, the government would pay interest on lost money to preserve its real value until it could be reunited with its owners.


If you have an account dormant for three years and the value is about to be taken by ASIC your bank will notify you.

If you still do nothing and the money is used by ASIC, it takes filling out a form to get it back (plus interest).

If people are stupid enough to have an account lay dormant for that long and not even transfer in $1 in three years and have it wither away with fees really says volumes of how little people manage their finances.

Took me all of 5 seconds to Google this shit and find decent comments on it;

http://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/198nt3/inactive_bank_accounts_to_be_seized_after_3_years/

Maybe you, No12, shouldn't believe all the shit your read :roll:

-PB


So what is the conclusion Sherlock is there such legislation or did I make it up?

There was a law in place and the time limit was 7 years, I stated cash strapped Labor government changed it to three years, think about it there are people that are unable to always reach their money sick in hospitals, nursing homes and so on, bottom of the bird cage policy, why should anyone have their money taken from them, only to later ask for their money back. Gillard/Swann did not introduce this legislation to help anyone else but their own purse.


I never denied the existence of such legislation, that's not what I'm challenging nor am I supporting what Labor have done.

I'm challenging your over the top rhetoric and general bullshit.

If they couldn't access the money before to do something with it why is it an issue?

If they ended up being sick for 7 years why would it be an issue?

The fact is, the money is going nowhere.

Would you be singing the praises of a Coalition Government if they did this? In my opinion, yes, yes you would.

Take the Abbott tinted glasses off for a second and look at things subjectively.

-PB

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paulbagzFC wrote:
No12 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
No12 wrote:
It’s for Savings Accounts only inactive for over three years, was introduced three months ago by Wayne Swann, it will affect a lot of people especially the elderly and kids accounts.
Why are you comrades so surprised by the news, you did not hear it on the ABC or the Socialist Daily, thank God there are other media sources in Australia that expose this scum and their nasty policies.


Also;

Quote:
A spokeswoman for Treasurer Wayne Swan said that under the new legislation, the government would pay interest on lost money to preserve its real value until it could be reunited with its owners.


If you have an account dormant for three years and the value is about to be taken by ASIC your bank will notify you.

If you still do nothing and the money is used by ASIC, it takes filling out a form to get it back (plus interest).

If people are stupid enough to have an account lay dormant for that long and not even transfer in $1 in three years and have it wither away with fees really says volumes of how little people manage their finances.

Took me all of 5 seconds to Google this shit and find decent comments on it;

http://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/198nt3/inactive_bank_accounts_to_be_seized_after_3_years/

Maybe you, No12, shouldn't believe all the shit your read :roll:

-PB


So what is the conclusion Sherlock is there such legislation or did I make it up?

There was a law in place and the time limit was 7 years, I stated cash strapped Labor government changed it to three years, think about it there are people that are unable to always reach their money sick in hospitals, nursing homes and so on, bottom of the bird cage policy, why should anyone have their money taken from them, only to later ask for their money back. Gillard/Swann did not introduce this legislation to help anyone else but their own purse.


I never denied the existence of such legislation, that's not what I'm challenging nor am I supporting what Labor have done.

I'm challenging your over the top rhetoric and general bullshit.

If they couldn't access the money before to do something with it why is it an issue?

If they ended up being sick for 7 years why would it be an issue?

The fact is, the money is going nowhere.

Would you be singing the praises of a Coalition Government if they did this? In my opinion, yes, yes you would.

Take the Abbott tinted glasses off for a second and look at things subjectively.

-PB


Having a read of the legislation, it's actually better for people that have stagnant money in accounts doing nothing.

Under the old system, unclaimed accounts did nothing. No interest at all.

Now they will receive a nominal rate of interest until a time that the owner of the money reclaims it, giving the government further liquidity.

FASCISM!!!
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Does it make any mention of actual rates?

Can only assume it'd be quite small (<2%)

-PB

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paulbagzFC wrote:
Does it make any mention of actual rates?

Can only assume it'd be quite small (<2%)

-PB

Edited by paulbagzFC: 3/5/2013 10:45:09 AM


Determined by ASIC - assuming it would be standard rate?
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notorganic wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
Does it make any mention of actual rates?

Can only assume it'd be quite small (<2%)

-PB

Edited by paulbagzFC: 3/5/2013 10:45:09 AM


Determined by ASIC - assuming it would be standard rate?


F-ASIC-ISM!

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So it is true... Who's gullible now?
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thupercoach wrote:
So it is true... Who's gullible now?


He accepted it as fact after only hearing it on talk back radio.

He hit the dartboard once after throwing a thousand darts. I'll hold back on the plaudits just yet.
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notorganic wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
Does it make any mention of actual rates?

Can only assume it'd be quite small (<2%)

-PB

Edited by paulbagzFC: 3/5/2013 10:45:09 AM


Determined by ASIC - assuming it would be standard rate?

I'd guess that the return rate would be in line with inflation/CPI?
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IMF - Howard was most profligate PM in Australian History.
Now a Nobel prize winning economist says that the ALP saved Australia from the global recession.
http://www.news.com.au/business/labor-saved-australia-from-the-global-financial-crisis-nobel-economist/story-e6frfm1i-1225902003437

How will the LNP spin this one?

Can Abbott still use the "we are proven to be economically competent when in government" line and be telling the truth?

Does Tony Abbott ever tell the truth?

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THE Federal Government's economic credentials have received a timely boost from Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, who suggested Labor may be best placed to take the country forward.
Professor Stiglitz, a former World Bank chief economist and economic adviser to the US Government, said Federal Labor did a fantastic job of saving Australia from the global economic crisis.
At the same time Professor Stiglitz criticised right-wing politicians for being the "architects" of the downturn.
"One of the reasons why the debate about...Australia's stimulus...is so important is not because we're historians and we're trying to grade but because we're trying to make a judgement about going forward who is likely to do a better job," Professor Stgilitz said.
"What are the economic theories, advisers they are likely to draw upon? Labor's done a good job."
Professor Stiglitz said economic advisers who had been praised by "the other side" of politics were the ones who had designed America's "economic mess."
"To praise the people who were the architects of the global financial crisis suggests that your economic ideas might lead this country into difficulty," he added.
"Whereas the others (Labor) actually did a fantastic job of saving your country from problems."
Professor Stiglitz said he supported the objectives of the Government's mining tax but was not surprised resource firms objected.
"The clear objective is one that I supported when I was in the Clinton Administration and our attempt to do a very similar kind of thing," he added.
"Having watched what happened in the US I'm not surprised at all what's happened here; the mining companies do not want to pay their fair share."
But he said he was surprised at the resonance the resource firms' arguments have had.

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Umm, OK Notor.

In further news, black is white, up is down and there are porcine flyers all over town.
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thupercoach wrote:
Umm, OK Notor.

In further news, black is white, up is down and there are porcine flyers all over town.


Pretty simple thing to say when you don't understand economics.

Sure, it might be a slight Appeal To Authority logical fallacy, but I'd trust two international economic authorities over a supposed "leader" that is so desperate for the Prime Ministership that he once said the only thing he wouldn't do to get power is "sell my arse, but even then I would consider it".
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notorganic wrote:
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Umm, OK Notor.

In further news, black is white, up is down and there are porcine flyers all over town.


Pretty simple thing to say when you don't understand economics.

Sure, it might be a slight Appeal To Authority logical fallacy, but I'd trust two international economic authorities over a supposed "leader" that is so desperate for the Prime Ministership that he once said the only thing he wouldn't do to get power is "sell my arse, but even then I would consider it".


There's more than one way to "understand" economics...some argue its impossible to understand it in the way that pro stimulus people like the us govt approved economists do.

For starters the multiplier effects of govt stimulus are highly questionable and really exist more on a theoretical level. Jim Rickards' Currency Wars goes into this a bit.

Never fall for the trusting of 'economic authorities' trick...there is really no such thing...if anyone claims or embraces such a title, run a mile! ;)


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@Hoff; blacka is calling you a pos economist, umad bro?

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Haha a 'pos' economist...as in piece of shit 'rubbish' or just piece of shit? Or both lol ;)

Im still 'doin mah learnins' so i'll cop to being less than stellar!

I'll repeat what i said above...more than one way to understand economics...

Id say anyone who subscribes to some keynesian, model making mathematical approach to economics has their head up their arses! :P

Economies and markets are complex, largely unpredictable organisms...the drift from a philosophical to a mathematical or metric approach is part of why the world is in the mess it is in. Using economics to fit some 'govt is the answer' approach which ...surprise, surprise...suits their politicised, inner circle pay masters.

Me and ol hoff must be clearly looking at it from different ends of the spectrum. Little more nuanced than simply being rubbish or not.

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In further news just in, Labor inherited a deficit and will be leaving behind a massive surplus.
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thupercoach wrote:
In further news just in, Labor inherited a deficit and will be leaving behind a massive surplus.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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In further news just in, Labor inherited a deficit and will be leaving behind a massive surplus.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Spin it all you like, righties, history is showing that this government is the far superior economic model to the profligate LNP.
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paulbagzFC wrote:
@Hoff; blacka is calling you a pos economist, umad bro?

-PB


Where? he wasn't replying to me at all. I ain't no economist, though I did a degree in it and have an excellent grasp of how the whole system works in real life; it's taken me years of reading and hard thinking and cutting through all the bullshit pouring out from everywhere. I never appeal to authority either, especially not by mentioning economic degrees because they teach you jack shit. Probably 2/3 of "mainstream" economics is bullshit and well over 90% of heterodox economics is too. It's the most bullshit laden field of thought that exists; a bullshitfield strewn with countless shitmines. Not many trudging through it get to the other side intact; blacka for example tripped over a rock before even leaving the starting line and fell head-first into a bouncing bullshit betty.
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In further news just in, Labor inherited a deficit and will be leaving behind a massive surplus.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Spin it all you like, righties, history is showing that this government is the far superior economic model to the profligate LNP.


deficits don't matter. the only time it is good to run a surplus is when the economy is overheating from extremely high private spending demand that is outstripping the economy's capacity to supply; inflation is the result if the govt doesnt hit the breaks. this of course hasn't happened since the post-war 50s and 60s boom, and outside of that it's only happened in war. the rest of the time the problem is always not enough demand (spending) to buy all possible supply (production)
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that's the beauty of economics btw: no matter how complex and nonsensical it gets, ultimately it all comes down to good old supply and demand. think of the economy in terms of its aggregate demand (the demand ie spending of every household, business, government in the country and foreign purchasers of our exports) and aggregate supply (the max amount of goods and services the economy could possibly produce if every bit of labour and capital equipment was being used) and you've grasped the most fundamental economic concept

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Compare the ALP & LNP NBN plans side by side.

http://howfastisthenbn.com.au/
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Hoff wrote:
deficits don't matter.

The US economy disagrees.
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Rofl, how long did it take you to respond Hoffies on your superior iPhone tech? :lol:

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https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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notorganic wrote:
batfink wrote:
thupercoach wrote:
In further news just in, Labor inherited a deficit and will be leaving behind a massive surplus.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Spin it all you like, righties, history is showing that this government is the far superior economic model to the profligate LNP.



what drugs are you on ???????????????????[-( [-( [-( [-( ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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