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see above....and she wonders why tax revenue is down......LOL....very few small to medium size companies are making money and are struggling with higher costs of compliance.....
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batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Try berating/debating their policies rather than generalizing/stereotyping their voters.
-PB hey ballbagz............... your pretty good at sidestepping questions..... You're*
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Seven deadly Gillard sins Robert Gottliebsen30 Apr, 8:22 AM96 PoliticsElectionIndustriesSmall Business (SME)Resources and Energy If the only mistake the Gillard government had made was creating a deficit out of yet another set of bad Treasury numbers then the likely next prime minister, Tony Abbott, and his looming treasurer Joe Hockey would face a straightforward task. But the current government’s mistakes go much deeper and will require an entirely different approach. This morning I will list my seven deadly Gillard economic sins and invite readers to comment and add to them via conversation. Tomorrow I will list the actions Tony Abbott must consider with the same invitation to readers. – Sin number one is rarely mentioned in mainstream commentary: A dedicated and vicious campaign against small business, which is the main private employment creating sector of the economy. This was done via the Australian tax office which attacked small operators and refused to give many ABN numbers. Thousands of complex but useless regulations were introduced at the same time as the Gillard government promoted union dominated industrial relations laws that were designed for large business and made staff flexibility in small business much tougher. Independent contracting was actively discouraged (See: The cost of Labor’s contractor carnage, April 24; Paralysed in a tax office trap, April 24; and Call off the small business attack dogs, April 19). – Sin number two: Actively fan the greatest government employment binge in Australia’s history. As the above link pointed out, the Institute of Public Affairs estimates that since the global financial crisis public sector industries have lifted their employment by 406,000. In fairness, not all the 406,000 people are employed by Canberra by increasing regulation, red tape, state government requirements and duplication, but the Gillard government was the main driver. – Sin number three: Allowed the export of gas from Queensland, which under present extraction rules we did not have. Some of the export gas will now come from gas that was earmarked for Sydney and will help send NSW and later Victorian and Queensland domestic gas prices sky-high. The higher gas prices will be further boosted by actions of the NSW government. It’s a total mess (Leaky gas progress could lead to a NSW exodus, April 16). – Sin number four: Encourage the return of cartel-style agreements between big builders and building unions in the commercial building sector sending the cost of building the new mines and government projects up substantially (Lend Lease and Leighton need a new toolkit, April 8). – Sin number five: Pay no need heed to productivity in health. It’s all about handing out money. Rising heath expenditure is a key underlining reason for the deficits. – Sin number six: Decide to be completely remote from business. Treasury took the same view. As a result Canberra had no idea what was happening in the business arena (particularly in mining) and most of the treasury business forecasts were wrong. Worse still, they spent the money that they incorrectly anticipated receiving. The strategy was modelled on the Keystone Kops. – Sin number seven: Carbon was another Keystone Kops style fiasco. The Gillard government saddled Australia with an uncompetitive carbon price at the same time as a high dollar and rising electricity prices. They used much of the carbon money for social welfare and then later effectively slashed future carbon revenue, but did not cut back the spending. The carbon mess had little effect on emissions. One of the reasons why so many big mistakes were made was that Julia Gillard turned out to be another Kevin Rudd. Rudd could not run a cabinet and Gillard’s supporters thought this would be her greatest asset. Instead she followed the Rudd decision making process on too many occasions. Read more: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/4/30/politics/seven-deadly-gillard-sins#ixzz2TOpvkhER
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Eastern Glory wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Try berating/debating their policies rather than generalizing/stereotyping their voters.
-PB hey ballbagz............... your pretty good at sidestepping questions..... You're* great positive contribution right there......;)
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batfink wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Try berating/debating their policies rather than generalizing/stereotyping their voters.
-PB hey ballbagz............... your pretty good at sidestepping questions..... You're* great positive contribution right there......;) Doing my best :lol:
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batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Try berating/debating their policies rather than generalizing/stereotyping their voters.
-PB hey ballbagz...............your pretty good at sidestepping questions..... So I scrolled the previous page and couldn't find out where you had asked me a question. I apologize as I may have missed it, so could you point it out again and I'll gladly answer it. -PB
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P.S. I hope you will be this critical with a Coalition Government in the future Batfink. -PB
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Quote:This was done via the Australian tax office which attacked small operators and refused to give many ABN numbers. Wut. You can go online and get one in minutes. Edit - I actually looked this up, and it's just the ATO not giving out ABN's to individual people who were wanting to become a 'subcontractor' working under conditions that reasonable people would consider should make them an employee, so no longer can an employer avoid dodging super + insurance (among other things) by pushing their workers into becoming subcontractors. Edited by macktheknife: 16/5/2013 09:27:53 AM
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macktheknife wrote:Quote:This was done via the Australian tax office which attacked small operators and refused to give many ABN numbers. Wut. You can go online and get one in minutes. Edit - I actually looked this up, and it's just the ATO not giving out ABN's to individual people who were wanting to become a 'subcontractor' working under conditions that reasonable people would consider should make them an employee, so no longer can an employer avoid dodging super + insurance (among other things) by pushing their workers into becoming subcontractors.Edited by macktheknife: 16/5/2013 09:27:53 AM I do believe that my former employer was the catalyst in getting this changed by being sued by the ATO for dodging paying super, payroll tax and leave to their essentially casual workforce.
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paulbagzFC wrote:P.S. I hope you will be this critical with a Coalition Government in the future Batfink.
-PB if it's warranted i will for sure....if you hadn't noticed i hate career politicians......
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Eastern Glory wrote:batfink wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Try berating/debating their policies rather than generalizing/stereotyping their voters.
-PB hey ballbagz............... your pretty good at sidestepping questions..... You're* great positive contribution right there......;) Doing my best :lol: \:d/ go for it tiger......at least you're having a go...!!!! right;)
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batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:Adam Bandt @AdamBandt What would you rather in tmrw's Budget: raise $11bn with a modest levy on the incredibly profitable big banks, or cuts to uni & aid funding? about 8 hours ago don't you think the banks would just pass the cost onto the consumer..........??? looking good on the foreign aid front, we will up our foreign aid (another broken promise) and guess what!!!!!! give it back to ourselves!!!!!!!! that's farken gold right there, that's how you manipulate statistics....LOL You mean the cap on self invested aid/funding for asylum seeker processing that won't be going up? -PB Not sure what you mean there ballbags???? As i understand it the ALP promised/committed to increase oversea's aid to 0.5% of GNI, which is 50cents out of every $100.00, but have deferred this to 2018-2018......the increase is from >35 up to .37 cents....so modest increase, however they are diverting $375 million of this to process Asylum seekers making the gillard government the third largest recipient of foreign aid.......LOL.....THAT'S GOLD...!!!!! 0.5% of GDP yes but the amount spent on asylum seekers has been capped and won't increase, that's what I said (any why is it an issue that foreign aid money is spent aiding foreigners?...) Making plans for 2017 isn't really useful as it might all go out the window come September. -PB wellForeign aid is suppose to go to foreign countries not to ourselves.....hence being called foreign aid So where does the money used to help Asylum Seekers come from? What budget? -PB not sure Ballbagz??? but i'm guessing you do.... the point i was making is they move the money from their left pocket to their right pocket and want a pat on the back for the increased spending of which they are the recipient...... Show me where they want a pat on the back? Left pocket->right pocket type spending happens all the time. -PB well that makes it fine...no worries like murder and rape and drive by shootings happen all the time..... "let's aspire to mediocrity" "apathy rules the nation" What a strange and failed way at trying to make any kind of comparison. At least try and debate the point instead of sidestepping it. -PB [size=9] which budget does it come out of now then????[/size]
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batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:P.S. I hope you will be this critical with a Coalition Government in the future Batfink.
-PB if it's warranted i will for sure....if you hadn't noticed i hate career politicians...... Aren't they all career driven? When was the last politician that actually gave a shit about what voters wanted? To answer your question, it comes out of Foreign Aid, clearly, hence the cap. Would it matter if they spent money in the foreign aid budget or in the immigration budget? The same amount of money is being spent, by the same authority, for the same reasons, going to the same destination. Don't see where the problem is? Now before you go on about the "pats on the back" train of though, where exactly has this Government been talking up said spending as a way to win votes in September? -PB
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Abbott & Co. deny the request of an ALP MP to visit her sick daughter, then lie to cast doubt about her capabilities as a parent. These are the people that will be leading our nation come September. http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/mps-sick-child-furore-abbott-still-doesnt-get-it-says-pm-20130516-2jnme.htmlQuote:The Coalition's initial rejection of a Labor MP's request to go home to be with her sick child made ''an absolute mockery of everything the Leader of the Opposition has ever said about working women'', Prime Minister Julia Gillard has said.
Labor MP Michelle Rowland had earlier on Thursday hit out at the Coalition, saying it knew she had a sick child when they refused her request for a ''pair'' to leave Parliament, contradicting statements from opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne.
Responding to a question on the Coalition's actions, Ms Gillard said: ''It just shows so clearly that he [Tony Abbott] doesn't get it.''
Federal Labor MP for Greenway in western Sydney, Michelle Rowland, has hit out over initial refusal from the Coalition to grant her a pair so she can take leave to care for her sick child.
The Coalition initially rejected Ms Rowland's application for a ''pair'' to attend to her daughter Octavia, who had a fever and was vomiting. After an outcry from government ministers, the Coalition has on Thursday morning backed down and granted Ms Rowland a pair.
A ''pair'' is a gentlemen's agreement between parties in which a politician excuses themselves from a vote to square the numbers when an opponent cannot attend Parliament for a good reason.
''I put in what I thought was a reasonable request,'' Ms Rowland told Fairfax Media on Thursday morning. ''I expressly stated it was because my child was sick and I would really appreciate the opportunity to be home with her . . . and I got a reply yesterday that that was declined.
Ms Rowland applied for leave on Tuesday to the goverment's chief whip Chris Hayes, who then referred the request to opposition chief whip Warren Entsch in order to secure a pair for Ms Rowland from 6pm on Thursday. Mr Entsch rejected the request on Wednesday.
The controversy over the Coalition rejecting Ms Rowland's application to attend to her sick child comes at a time when Mr Abbott - who has long battled poor polling among women voters - has been campaigning on issues such as paid parental leave saying working women needed to be supported to have families.
''This is my first baby,'' Ms Rowland said. ''She's 14 months old. It's the sickest she's been . . . I simply wanted to be able to get home on Thursday night.''
Mr Pyne, the manager of opposition business, claimed on Thursday morning that Mr Entsch ''was not aware [Ms Rowland] had a sick infant until this morning when he read it in The Daily Telegraph''.
''If we'd known it was Michelle Rowland's child we would've given her a pair and more importantly we would've said, 'Why would you wait until five o'clock on Thursday to go home? You need to go home today','' Mr Pyne said.
''Michelle Rowland's a new mother with a young child, if she had a sick child and she told us on Monday she would've been told by Warren Entsch 'go home today Michelle, what are you doing here?' That's exactly what we would have said.''
However, Ms Rowland has shown Fairfax Media a letter that proved Mr Entsch knew about her daughter's illness when he rejected her application.
''These are lies that are being said this morning. What irked me was seeing Christopher Pyne on doors this morning saying things that were untrue,'' Ms Rowland said.
Ms Rowland later said it was ''disappointing'' to hear Mr Pyne ''turn this into a judgment on my abilities as a mother''.
She said that she had a supportive husband and family who were helping to look after her daughter.
''A lot of parents whose children are sick still have to go to work,'' Ms Rowland said. ''I simply made a reasonable request to go home on Thursday night.''
In the letter dated Wednesday, May 15, Mr Entsch wrote to Labor's whip Chris Hayes: ''I am writing to you in relation to your request to provide a 'pair' for Ms Michelle Rowland, Member for Greenway due to her child being unwell . . . The Opposition will not provide a 'pair' for the Member for Greenway on this occasion.''
Mr Entsch gave no reason in the letter for rejecting the request.
Mr Pyne claimed that Ms Rowland had said ''she had an ill family member'' rather than a sick baby. He said it could have been a cousin or an uncle and that if the Coalition knew it was a baby they would have granted her the leave immediately.
But Ms Rowland's application letter, dated Tuesday, May 14, states: ''My baby is at home and has been unwell. I would be grateful to be home on Thursday night to be with her please.''
Labor ministers rounded on the Coalition over the issue during media interviews on Thursday morning.
Health Minister Tanya Plibersek told ABC radio the Coalition's refusal to grant Ms Rowland leave was the ''best example ever that they don't care about modern families''.
Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury told Sky News that Mr Abbott wanted people to believe he was committed to policies that support women, but that was not the reality.
Mr Entsch released a statement on Thursday morning saying: ''The application for leave for Ms Michelle Rowland came in on Tuesday morning with a series of other back-bencher leave requests.
''I queried the request because it was clear from the wording on the application that there was no sense of urgency and on that basis I refused the pair.''
Mr Entsch said that ''if Ms Rowland's child is sick, then she should leave the parliament immediately and a pair will be granted''.
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http://www.theage.com.au/business/federal-budget/you-missed-the-best-news-in-the-budget-20130516-2jo1c.htmlQuote:You can be forgiven for missing the best news in the federal budget. The vast majority of the media have and Wayne Swan – a man who would have trouble selling free beer - apparently isn't capable of explaining it. Or maybe he's missed it too.
Oh, you certainly will have read about it, a big figure featuring in all the obvious headlines, but it's highly unlikely you will have seen that the really good and important news from Tuesday night is that we're forecast to have a federal deficit of $18 billion in the new financial year and one of about $19.4 billion this year.
No, seriously, that the government is not trying to peg back the deficit in the 2013-14 should be welcomed by everyone whose first priority isn't doing whatever it takes to change the government.
Simplistic chanting Having been subjected to abysmally simplistic “deficit bad, surplus good” chanting from both sides of politics over the past couple of years, where the political wedge and counter-wedge have overshadowed the economics, it's perhaps understandable that most commentary has gone along for the ride, suggesting that deficits this year and next year primarily represent budget failure instead of considerable relief.
Attempting to pull back from a $43.4 billion deficit in 2011-12 to nominal surplus this year was absurd. Dumb economics for silly political purposes, Wayne. It represented an unprecedented fiscal contraction that, if allowed to run its course and if not for some Treasury smoke and mirrors pulling forward and pushing back, could have stalled the economy. As it pans out, the $24 billion contraction achieved by trimming the deficit to $19.4 billion is itself without equal – a $24 billion turnaround, a hefty 1.6 per cent of GDP.
It's a moot point whether the deficit reduction efforts of state and federal governments or the strong currency has been the biggest brake on our economy over the past year. The Reserve Bank keeps politely mentioning it as a factor in cutting the cash rate to a record low in an attempt to sustain demand, but the pet shop seems to only have eyes on the currency on that score.
So before any business type whinges about the $19.4 billion deficit or the infamous $17 billion revenue “black hole”, please specify how much slower you would like our economy to be growing this financial year.
Affordable Between the lines of Tuesday's budget is an admission that we can afford a deficit more than a surplus in 2013-14 and thus there is no real attempt to rein in the deficit in the immediate delicate period – that's planned for later years when some other treasurer has the job.
Net public demand – governments' collective impact on the economy - is taking half a per cent off GDP growth this year. (It's “only” half a per cent thanks to some fancy footwork by Treasury and what some of the states have been up to.) Allowing a similar federal deficit to roll on in the new financial year means net public demand is forecast as having zero impact on GDP, neither contributing to or subtracting from economic growth.
Because economics is all about measuring the change in the moving goal posts, that's an improvement of 0.5 per cent of GDP from this year, but Treasury still forecasts weaker economic growth of 2.75 per cent while the Reserve Bank is a bit more pessimistic at around 2.5 per cent. (That RBA forecast assumes the cash rate remains at 2.75 per cent – maybe Treasury is quietly betting on the RBA being forced to cut rates further, and therefore stimulating the economy that little quarter-per-cent more.)
Given Treasury's forecast of what else will be happening in the economy in the new financial year, we should be very grateful indeed for the $18 billion deficit. Achieving 2.75 per cent growth is dependent on household consumption growing by 3 per cent, up from 2.5 per cent this year, and our investment in dwellings jumping by 5 per cent compared with a meagre improvement of a half a per cent this year and shrinking by 3.6 per cent last year.
Big bet Basically, keeping the economy growing at an “OK” rate is a big bet that if you give Australians cheap money, they will spend and buy houses. (Maybe that should be buy houses and spend, as new housing has a neat multiplier effect as carpets, white goods and bean bags are purchased to go in them and more tradies are employed to hopefully pick up some slack as fewer are needed for mine construction.)
It would not have been hard for Swan to have produced a lower forecast deficit next year. There is spending that could have been cut, a means test could have been applied to the child care rebate, tax rates could have been nudged up, but it would have been the wrong thing to do. Joe Hockey would have had the problem of dealing with the fallout from such further fiscal contraction, but it still would have been wrong and irresponsible.
Swan now is and Hockey next year will pay the price for dumbing down the role of fiscal policy. Assisted by ideological zealots on the far right and opportunistic shock jocks, they've managed to convince the public that government debt itself is a bad thing that must be paid off in total at the first opportunity.
The cycle The real world is more complex than that. Over time, governments should run surpluses, sometimes big surpluses, but it's not a contradiction to suggest they also should happily borrow to maintain a level of gearing like just about any large corporation.
That debt should be used to invest in areas that can show a demonstrable economic return. The easy example – as promoted by various present and past Reserve Bank board members – is for the government to use its strong balance sheet to borrow very cheaply to fund infrastructure that will deliver a double-digit return on investment.
Taking that a step further, the government should fund it, have the private sector run it (because the private sector does tend to run things better than government), and then, when that infrastructure has been de-risked (when we know how many cars really will go through a tunnel), the thing should be flogged off and the money raised used to build more infrastructure and continue the cycle.
Our massive superannuation industry would love such an outlet for its massive pile of money. Kept to a sensible limit – up to about 20 per cent of GDP has been suggested to me as an acceptable and prudent maximum - it would not hurt our credit rating and it would build a stronger, richer nation.
Good buy It can be argued that some of the current government net debt – which is at about half the suggested 20 per cent – is being used for infrastructure, but most has not. Instead it bought an unemployment rate that starts with a '5', it avoided a recession. Personally, I think that was a reasonable purchase. Those complaining loudest about business being less than robust now should be the most thankful for it.
With all the benefit of hindsight, it's likely we could have spent a bit less to maintain acceptable employment levels and some of the stuff that money was spent on and continues to be spent on is stupid, but the big picture stuff is sound. Despite the current and past popularity polls, it's likely that history will judge that Peter Costello's last two terms as treasurer saw more important mistakes – sins of omission and commission - than Wayne Swan's two terms.
But that comment will immediately degenerate along party political lines. Let them go at it and just be grateful we're not trying to immediately shrink next year's deficit – and hope that Joe Hockey won't try to either.
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Well this thread is definitely getting the "Worst Thread of 2013" award.
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If her daughter was so fucking ill she would have never left her to partake in the budget meetings.
It's tacky to sit through labors shit and request leave when it's finally liberals turn to speak.
Obviously she does not value the political process and thinks she can honour her respsonsibitlies as an MP on an ad hoc basis and take child leave when it suits.
I regret the liberals grant the 'pair' eventually, obviously the thing was a set up and she was using her daughters illness to score political points for women.
What a whore,, but that's what you get with labor, morally sick people who use their kids as tools to score votes.
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rusty wrote:If her daughter was so fucking ill she would have never left her to partake in the budget meetings.
It's tacky to sit through labors shit and request leave when it's finally liberals turn to speak.
Obviously she does not value the political process and thinks she can honour her respsonsibitlies as an MP on an ad hoc basis and take child leave when it suits.
I regret the liberals grant the 'pair' eventually, obviously the thing was a set up and she was using her daughters illness to score political points for women.
What a whore,, but that's what you get with labor, morally sick people who use their kids as tools to score votes. :lol:
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rusty wrote:If her daughter was so fucking ill she would have never left her to partake in the budget meetings.
It's tacky to sit through labors shit and request leave when it's finally liberals turn to speak.
Obviously she does not value the political process and thinks she can honour her respsonsibitlies as an MP on an ad hoc basis and take child leave when it suits.
I regret the liberals grant the 'pair' eventually, obviously the thing was a set up and she was using her daughters illness to score political points for women.
What a whore,, but that's what you get with labor, morally sick people who use their kids as tools to score votes.
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macktheknife wrote:rusty wrote:If her daughter was so fucking ill she would have never left her to partake in the budget meetings.
It's tacky to sit through labors shit and request leave when it's finally liberals turn to speak.
Obviously she does not value the political process and thinks she can honour her respsonsibitlies as an MP on an ad hoc basis and take child leave when it suits.
I regret the liberals grant the 'pair' eventually, obviously the thing was a set up and she was using her daughters illness to score political points for women.
What a whore,, but that's what you get with labor, morally sick people who use their kids as tools to score votes. :lol:
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rusty wrote:If her daughter was so fucking ill she would have never left her to partake in the budget meetings.
It's tacky to sit through labors shit and request leave when it's finally liberals turn to speak.
Obviously she does not value the political process and thinks she can honour her respsonsibitlies as an MP on an ad hoc basis and take child leave when it suits.
I regret the liberals grant the 'pair' eventually, obviously the thing was a set up and she was using her daughters illness to score political points for women.
What a whore,, but that's what you get with labor, morally sick people who use their kids as tools to score votes. Quote:Ms Rowland applied for leave on Tuesday to the goverment's chief whip Chris Hayes, who then referred the request to opposition chief whip Warren Entsch in order to secure a pair for Ms Rowland from 6pm on Thursday. Mr Entsch rejected the request on Wednesday.
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Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says carbon tax will go in Budget reply PHILLIP HUDSON HERALD SUN TONY Abbott's has made a hip-pocket election pitch to families and pensioners that they can keep most of the carbon tax compensation and get cheaper electricity and gas. In his formal reply to the Budget, the Opposition Leader said the carbon tax will still be axed as promised if he becomes prime minister but he will keep about $4 billion a year in tax cuts and fortnightly family benefits and pension rises that he had previously planned to scrap. Mr Abbott said he will pay for this with spending cuts worth $5 billion a year which will include dumping a family benefits supplement worth $210 for eligible singles and $350 for couples. And despite promising no more changes to superannuation, Mr Abbott will freeze for two years Labor's planned increase in compulsory super paid by employers at 9.25 per cent. He is also taking away a super tax cut worth up to $500 for low-income earners. The Coalition is also prepared to sign up to all of the $43 billion in tax increases and spending cuts announced by Treasurer Wayne Swan in Tuesday's Budget, including axing the baby bonus. Mr Abbott said while many of Labor's cuts were ''objectionable'' he blamed poor management by the government for the ''Budget emergency'' that would force him to accept them. Mr Abbott said the election ''will be a tipping point in the life of our country''. He promised families would have “cost of living relief”. ''The carbon tax will go but no one's personal tax will go up and no one's fortnightly pension or benefit will go down,'' Mr Abbott told Parliament. ''So with a change of government, your weekly and fortnightly budgets will be under less pressure as electricity prices fall; and gas prices fall and the carbon tax no longer cascades through our economy.'' Prime Minister Julia Gillard said Mr Abbott should have detailed every Budget cut he planned to make, saying he had a secret plan to ''cut to the bone''. Mr Abbott said he would keep the National Disability Insurance Scheme but suggested it could be changed to make it better reflect Productivity Commission recommendations. But there was no promise to keep any of Labor's $9.8 billion in extra school funding, which the government attacked as ripping money away from schools. Mr Abbott gave no more detail about how he would fully fund his more generous paid parental leave scheme which has come under fire as being too expensive from his own MPs and business which faces a tax rise to pay for it. He instead said he would re-ignite tax reform and an overhaul of federal-state relations to reduce waste and duplication but in both cases any proposed changes would be taken to a subsequent election for approval. Mr Abbott attacked Labor's broken promise to have a surplus and its seven years of deficits worth $220 billion. ''The government originally said that the deficit was `temporary'. With seven in a row, the Second World War was more temporary than this government's deficits.'' Mr Abbott's other cuts to pay for the carbon compensation included the previously announced plan to reduce the humanitarian intake by 6250 a year, slash the public service by 12,000 and cut a green loans scheme. Mr Abbott said more spending cuts would be announced before the September 14 election and he did not rule out tax rises. ''Until we're on an honest path not just to surplus but to re-paying debt, an incoming Coalition government will resist new spending commitments that aren't fully funded, nearly always by offsetting expenditure reductions.'' ''Many of the measures in the Budget are objectionable - the attacks on Medicare; the abolition of the baby bonus which the government had promised to never touch; robbing Peter to pay Paul on education; and forcing more businesses to do the tax paperwork monthly not just quarterly.'' ''But thanks to Labor's poor management over five years, there is now a Budget emergency.'' ''Far from cutting to the bone, we reserve the right to implement all of Labor's cuts, if needed, because it will take time to un-do all the damage this government has done.'' http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-features/opposition-leader-tony-abbott-says-carbon-tax-will-go-in-budget-reply/story-fnho52jj-1226644789401
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You missed the best news in the budget May 16, 2013 - 1:01PM Michael Pascoe You can be forgiven for missing the best news in the federal budget. The vast majority of the media have and Wayne Swan – a man who would have trouble selling free beer - apparently isn't capable of explaining it. Or maybe he's missed it too. Oh, you certainly will have read about it, a big figure featuring in all the obvious headlines, but it's highly unlikely you will have seen that the really good and important news from Tuesday night is that we're forecast to have a federal deficit of $18 billion in the new financial year and one of about $19.4 billion this year. No, seriously, that the government is not trying to peg back the deficit in the 2013-14 should be welcomed by everyone whose first priority isn't doing whatever it takes to change the government. Simplistic chanting Having been subjected to abysmally simplistic “deficit bad, surplus good” chanting from both sides of politics over the past couple of years, where the political wedge and counter-wedge have overshadowed the economics, it's perhaps understandable that most commentary has gone along for the ride, suggesting that deficits this year and next year primarily represent budget failure instead of considerable relief. Attempting to pull back from a $43.4 billion deficit in 2011-12 to nominal surplus this year was absurd. Dumb economics for silly political purposes, Wayne. It represented an unprecedented fiscal contraction that, if allowed to run its course and if not for some Treasury smoke and mirrors pulling forward and pushing back, could have stalled the economy. As it pans out, the $24 billion contraction achieved by trimming the deficit to $19.4 billion is itself without equal – a $24 billion turnaround, a hefty 1.6 per cent of GDP. It's a moot point whether the deficit reduction efforts of state and federal governments or the strong currency has been the biggest brake on our economy over the past year. The Reserve Bank keeps politely mentioning it as a factor in cutting the cash rate to a record low in an attempt to sustain demand, but the pet shop seems to only have eyes on the currency on that score. So before any business type whinges about the $19.4 billion deficit or the infamous $17 billion revenue “black hole”, please specify how much slower you would like our economy to be growing this financial year. Affordable Between the lines of Tuesday's budget is an admission that we can afford a deficit more than a surplus in 2013-14 and thus there is no real attempt to rein in the deficit in the immediate delicate period – that's planned for later years when some other treasurer has the job. Net public demand – governments' collective impact on the economy - is taking half a per cent off GDP growth this year. (It's “only” half a per cent thanks to some fancy footwork by Treasury and what some of the states have been up to.) Allowing a similar federal deficit to roll on in the new financial year means net public demand is forecast as having zero impact on GDP, neither contributing to or subtracting from economic growth. Because economics is all about measuring the change in the moving goal posts, that's an improvement of 0.5 per cent of GDP from this year, but Treasury still forecasts weaker economic growth of 2.75 per cent while the Reserve Bank is a bit more pessimistic at around 2.5 per cent. (That RBA forecast assumes the cash rate remains at 2.75 per cent – maybe Treasury is quietly betting on the RBA being forced to cut rates further, and therefore stimulating the economy that little quarter-per-cent more.) Given Treasury's forecast of what else will be happening in the economy in the new financial year, we should be very grateful indeed for the $18 billion deficit. Achieving 2.75 per cent growth is dependent on household consumption growing by 3 per cent, up from 2.5 per cent this year, and our investment in dwellings jumping by 5 per cent compared with a meagre improvement of a half a per cent this year and shrinking by 3.6 per cent last year. Big bet Basically, keeping the economy growing at an “OK” rate is a big bet that if you give Australians cheap money, they will spend and buy houses. (Maybe that should be buy houses and spend, as new housing has a neat multiplier effect as carpets, white goods and bean bags are purchased to go in them and more tradies are employed to hopefully pick up some slack as fewer are needed for mine construction.) It would not have been hard for Swan to have produced a lower forecast deficit next year. There is spending that could have been cut, a means test could have been applied to the child care rebate, tax rates could have been nudged up, but it would have been the wrong thing to do. Joe Hockey would have had the problem of dealing with the fallout from such further fiscal contraction, but it still would have been wrong and irresponsible. Swan now is and Hockey next year will pay the price for dumbing down the role of fiscal policy. Assisted by ideological zealots on the far right and opportunistic shock jocks, they've managed to convince the public that government debt itself is a bad thing that must be paid off in total at the first opportunity. The cycle The real world is more complex than that. Over time, governments should run surpluses, sometimes big surpluses, but it's not a contradiction to suggest they also should happily borrow to maintain a level of gearing like just about any large corporation. That debt should be used to invest in areas that can show a demonstrable economic return. The easy example – as promoted by various present and past Reserve Bank board members – is for the government to use its strong balance sheet to borrow very cheaply to fund infrastructure that will deliver a double-digit return on investment. Taking that a step further, the government should fund it, have the private sector run it (because the private sector does tend to run things better than government), and then, when that infrastructure has been de-risked (when we know how many cars really will go through a tunnel), the thing should be flogged off and the money raised used to build more infrastructure and continue the cycle. Our massive superannuation industry would love such an outlet for its massive pile of money. Kept to a sensible limit – up to about 20 per cent of GDP has been suggested to me as an acceptable and prudent maximum - it would not hurt our credit rating and it would build a stronger, richer nation. Good buy It can be argued that some of the current government net debt – which is at about half the suggested 20 per cent – is being used for infrastructure, but most has not. Instead it bought an unemployment rate that starts with a '5', it avoided a recession. Personally, I think that was a reasonable purchase. Those complaining loudest about business being less than robust now should be the most thankful for it. With all the benefit of hindsight, it's likely we could have spent a bit less to maintain acceptable employment levels and some of the stuff that money was spent on and continues to be spent on is stupid, but the big picture stuff is sound. Despite the current and past popularity polls, it's likely that history will judge that Peter Costello's last two terms as treasurer saw more important mistakes – sins of omission and commission - than Wayne Swan's two terms. But that comment will immediately degenerate along party political lines. Let them go at it and just be grateful we're not trying to immediately shrink next year's deficit – and hope that Joe Hockey won't try to either. Michael Pascoe is a BusinessDay contributing editor. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/federal-budget/you-missed-the-best-news-in-the-budget-20130516-2jo1c.html#ixzz2TS1aD5AU
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paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:P.S. I hope you will be this critical with a Coalition Government in the future Batfink.
-PB if it's warranted i will for sure....if you hadn't noticed i hate career politicians...... Aren't they all career driven? When was the last politician that actually gave a shit about what voters wanted? To answer your question, it comes out of Foreign Aid, clearly, hence the cap. Would it matter if they spent money in the foreign aid budget or in the immigration budget? The same amount of money is being spent, by the same authority, for the same reasons, going to the same destination. Don't see where the problem is? Now before you go on about the "pats on the back" train of though, where exactly has this Government been talking up said spending as a way to win votes in September? -PB well ballbagz... a career politician is like a david bradbury....goes through the labor system......unions,local council,mayor of council,then into the back benches in state or federal...that's the system in NSW......never had a real job outside of the "SYSTEM" always been a public employee.......then get their snout in the trough for the benefits................. many of you should look into the past Labor government in NSW and the 13 years of corruption....you could make a TV series out of it.......and no matter which side of politics you lean they never ever get prosecuted....funny about that isn't it??????
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paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:P.S. I hope you will be this critical with a Coalition Government in the future Batfink.
-PB if it's warranted i will for sure....if you hadn't noticed i hate career politicians...... Aren't they all career driven? [size=8] no[/size] When was the last politician that actually gave a shit about what voters wanted? [size=9] there are some out there[/size] To answer your question, it comes out of Foreign Aid, clearly, hence the cap. [size=8] shouldn't come from foreign aid[/size] Would it matter if they spent money in the foreign aid budget or in the immigration budget? [size=7] yes..it's misleading, other countries who look at our support are being fooled into thinking we are committed and truly supporting the UN[/size] The same amount of money is being spent, by the same authority, for the same reasons, going to the same destination. [size=7] ok then put it in welfare payments of australia, and start to tell the dole bludgers why their payments are shrinking....works for me.....[/size] Don't see where the problem is? of course not...[size=7] it's gillard till i die....or left wing socialist platforms of spend spend spend........you must be completely devoid of intelligence to be chuffed with this pathetic Government[/size] Now before you go on about the "pats on the back" train of though, where exactly has this Government been talking up said spending as a way to win votes in September?[size=7] truthfully you can say that with hand on heart????????[/size][-( [-( [-( [-( [-( [-( [-( -PB
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notorganic wrote:Abbott & Co. deny the request of an ALP MP to visit her sick daughter, then lie to cast doubt about her capabilities as a parent. These are the people that will be leading our nation come September. http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/mps-sick-child-furore-abbott-still-doesnt-get-it-says-pm-20130516-2jnme.htmlQuote:The Coalition's initial rejection of a Labor MP's request to go home to be with her sick child made ''an absolute mockery of everything the Leader of the Opposition has ever said about working women'', Prime Minister Julia Gillard has said.
Labor MP Michelle Rowland had earlier on Thursday hit out at the Coalition, saying it knew she had a sick child when they refused her request for a ''pair'' to leave Parliament, contradicting statements from opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne.
Responding to a question on the Coalition's actions, Ms Gillard said: ''It just shows so clearly that he [Tony Abbott] doesn't get it.''
Federal Labor MP for Greenway in western Sydney, Michelle Rowland, has hit out over initial refusal from the Coalition to grant her a pair so she can take leave to care for her sick child.
The Coalition initially rejected Ms Rowland's application for a ''pair'' to attend to her daughter Octavia, who had a fever and was vomiting. After an outcry from government ministers, the Coalition has on Thursday morning backed down and granted Ms Rowland a pair.
A ''pair'' is a gentlemen's agreement between parties in which a politician excuses themselves from a vote to square the numbers when an opponent cannot attend Parliament for a good reason.
''I put in what I thought was a reasonable request,'' Ms Rowland told Fairfax Media on Thursday morning. ''I expressly stated it was because my child was sick and I would really appreciate the opportunity to be home with her . . . and I got a reply yesterday that that was declined.
Ms Rowland applied for leave on Tuesday to the goverment's chief whip Chris Hayes, who then referred the request to opposition chief whip Warren Entsch in order to secure a pair for Ms Rowland from 6pm on Thursday. Mr Entsch rejected the request on Wednesday.
The controversy over the Coalition rejecting Ms Rowland's application to attend to her sick child comes at a time when Mr Abbott - who has long battled poor polling among women voters - has been campaigning on issues such as paid parental leave saying working women needed to be supported to have families.
''This is my first baby,'' Ms Rowland said. ''She's 14 months old. It's the sickest she's been . . . I simply wanted to be able to get home on Thursday night.''
Mr Pyne, the manager of opposition business, claimed on Thursday morning that Mr Entsch ''was not aware [Ms Rowland] had a sick infant until this morning when he read it in The Daily Telegraph''.
''If we'd known it was Michelle Rowland's child we would've given her a pair and more importantly we would've said, 'Why would you wait until five o'clock on Thursday to go home? You need to go home today','' Mr Pyne said.
''Michelle Rowland's a new mother with a young child, if she had a sick child and she told us on Monday she would've been told by Warren Entsch 'go home today Michelle, what are you doing here?' That's exactly what we would have said.''
However, Ms Rowland has shown Fairfax Media a letter that proved Mr Entsch knew about her daughter's illness when he rejected her application.
''These are lies that are being said this morning. What irked me was seeing Christopher Pyne on doors this morning saying things that were untrue,'' Ms Rowland said.
Ms Rowland later said it was ''disappointing'' to hear Mr Pyne ''turn this into a judgment on my abilities as a mother''.
She said that she had a supportive husband and family who were helping to look after her daughter.
''A lot of parents whose children are sick still have to go to work,'' Ms Rowland said. ''I simply made a reasonable request to go home on Thursday night.''
In the letter dated Wednesday, May 15, Mr Entsch wrote to Labor's whip Chris Hayes: ''I am writing to you in relation to your request to provide a 'pair' for Ms Michelle Rowland, Member for Greenway due to her child being unwell . . . The Opposition will not provide a 'pair' for the Member for Greenway on this occasion.''
Mr Entsch gave no reason in the letter for rejecting the request.
Mr Pyne claimed that Ms Rowland had said ''she had an ill family member'' rather than a sick baby. He said it could have been a cousin or an uncle and that if the Coalition knew it was a baby they would have granted her the leave immediately.
But Ms Rowland's application letter, dated Tuesday, May 14, states: ''My baby is at home and has been unwell. I would be grateful to be home on Thursday night to be with her please.''
Labor ministers rounded on the Coalition over the issue during media interviews on Thursday morning.
Health Minister Tanya Plibersek told ABC radio the Coalition's refusal to grant Ms Rowland leave was the ''best example ever that they don't care about modern families''.
Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury told Sky News that Mr Abbott wanted people to believe he was committed to policies that support women, but that was not the reality.
Mr Entsch released a statement on Thursday morning saying: ''The application for leave for Ms Michelle Rowland came in on Tuesday morning with a series of other back-bencher leave requests.
''I queried the request because it was clear from the wording on the application that there was no sense of urgency and on that basis I refused the pair.''
Mr Entsch said that ''if Ms Rowland's child is sick, then she should leave the parliament immediately and a pair will be granted''. awww c'mon Matt are you on Staff at the herald sun these days?????????????????? there is a word there....INITIAL.... probably when they got the full truth.........](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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Quote:Low earners to pay for Abbott cuts Says everything about what the Liberal Government will be like in 1 headline. Steal from the poor to give to the rich.
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macktheknife wrote:Quote:Low earners to pay for Abbott cuts Says everything about what the Liberal Government will be like in 1 headline. Steal from the poor to give to the rich. I think that 1 headline defies logic, how does one 'pay' for a 'cut'?
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:Abbott & Co. deny the request of an ALP MP to visit her sick daughter, then lie to cast doubt about her capabilities as a parent. These are the people that will be leading our nation come September. http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/mps-sick-child-furore-abbott-still-doesnt-get-it-says-pm-20130516-2jnme.htmlQuote:The Coalition's initial rejection of a Labor MP's request to go home to be with her sick child made ''an absolute mockery of everything the Leader of the Opposition has ever said about working women'', Prime Minister Julia Gillard has said.
Labor MP Michelle Rowland had earlier on Thursday hit out at the Coalition, saying it knew she had a sick child when they refused her request for a ''pair'' to leave Parliament, contradicting statements from opposition frontbencher Christopher Pyne.
Responding to a question on the Coalition's actions, Ms Gillard said: ''It just shows so clearly that he [Tony Abbott] doesn't get it.''
Federal Labor MP for Greenway in western Sydney, Michelle Rowland, has hit out over initial refusal from the Coalition to grant her a pair so she can take leave to care for her sick child.
The Coalition initially rejected Ms Rowland's application for a ''pair'' to attend to her daughter Octavia, who had a fever and was vomiting. After an outcry from government ministers, the Coalition has on Thursday morning backed down and granted Ms Rowland a pair.
A ''pair'' is a gentlemen's agreement between parties in which a politician excuses themselves from a vote to square the numbers when an opponent cannot attend Parliament for a good reason.
''I put in what I thought was a reasonable request,'' Ms Rowland told Fairfax Media on Thursday morning. ''I expressly stated it was because my child was sick and I would really appreciate the opportunity to be home with her . . . and I got a reply yesterday that that was declined.
Ms Rowland applied for leave on Tuesday to the goverment's chief whip Chris Hayes, who then referred the request to opposition chief whip Warren Entsch in order to secure a pair for Ms Rowland from 6pm on Thursday. Mr Entsch rejected the request on Wednesday.
The controversy over the Coalition rejecting Ms Rowland's application to attend to her sick child comes at a time when Mr Abbott - who has long battled poor polling among women voters - has been campaigning on issues such as paid parental leave saying working women needed to be supported to have families.
''This is my first baby,'' Ms Rowland said. ''She's 14 months old. It's the sickest she's been . . . I simply wanted to be able to get home on Thursday night.''
Mr Pyne, the manager of opposition business, claimed on Thursday morning that Mr Entsch ''was not aware [Ms Rowland] had a sick infant until this morning when he read it in The Daily Telegraph''.
''If we'd known it was Michelle Rowland's child we would've given her a pair and more importantly we would've said, 'Why would you wait until five o'clock on Thursday to go home? You need to go home today','' Mr Pyne said.
''Michelle Rowland's a new mother with a young child, if she had a sick child and she told us on Monday she would've been told by Warren Entsch 'go home today Michelle, what are you doing here?' That's exactly what we would have said.''
However, Ms Rowland has shown Fairfax Media a letter that proved Mr Entsch knew about her daughter's illness when he rejected her application.
''These are lies that are being said this morning. What irked me was seeing Christopher Pyne on doors this morning saying things that were untrue,'' Ms Rowland said.
Ms Rowland later said it was ''disappointing'' to hear Mr Pyne ''turn this into a judgment on my abilities as a mother''.
She said that she had a supportive husband and family who were helping to look after her daughter.
''A lot of parents whose children are sick still have to go to work,'' Ms Rowland said. ''I simply made a reasonable request to go home on Thursday night.''
In the letter dated Wednesday, May 15, Mr Entsch wrote to Labor's whip Chris Hayes: ''I am writing to you in relation to your request to provide a 'pair' for Ms Michelle Rowland, Member for Greenway due to her child being unwell . . . The Opposition will not provide a 'pair' for the Member for Greenway on this occasion.''
Mr Entsch gave no reason in the letter for rejecting the request.
Mr Pyne claimed that Ms Rowland had said ''she had an ill family member'' rather than a sick baby. He said it could have been a cousin or an uncle and that if the Coalition knew it was a baby they would have granted her the leave immediately.
But Ms Rowland's application letter, dated Tuesday, May 14, states: ''My baby is at home and has been unwell. I would be grateful to be home on Thursday night to be with her please.''
Labor ministers rounded on the Coalition over the issue during media interviews on Thursday morning.
Health Minister Tanya Plibersek told ABC radio the Coalition's refusal to grant Ms Rowland leave was the ''best example ever that they don't care about modern families''.
Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury told Sky News that Mr Abbott wanted people to believe he was committed to policies that support women, but that was not the reality.
Mr Entsch released a statement on Thursday morning saying: ''The application for leave for Ms Michelle Rowland came in on Tuesday morning with a series of other back-bencher leave requests.
''I queried the request because it was clear from the wording on the application that there was no sense of urgency and on that basis I refused the pair.''
Mr Entsch said that ''if Ms Rowland's child is sick, then she should leave the parliament immediately and a pair will be granted''. awww c'mon Matt are you on Staff at the herald sun these days?????????????????? there is a word there....INITIAL.... probably when they got the full truth.........](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) What full truth was missed in the initial request? Pyne lied, plain & simple. How can you claim to be against political lies, but are now making excuses for a proven liar?
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rusty wrote:macktheknife wrote:Quote:Low earners to pay for Abbott cuts Says everything about what the Liberal Government will be like in 1 headline. Steal from the poor to give to the rich. I think that 1 headline defies logic, how does one 'pay' for a 'cut'? The cuts are taken from services, benefits and superannuation that are for low income earners.
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