Gillard till I die?

I voted for Katter's Australia Party and for him as an Independent you fucking moron.

-PB

Actually batfink, you remind me of my Grandfather.

Back in the 70s when my Dad first started growing his beard, my Grandfather disowned him and didn't talk to him for over a year, simply because "only Communists have beards".

You're old and set in your ways, someone who believes and can't see past everything they are spoonfed by shoddy politicians.

You are an atypical Libertard.

-PB

So you're agreeing with me?

What the fuck?

Senile.

-PB

Well they're not ' paying' for anything, they're just getting less money and benefits for doing nothing. Rather than the rich stealing from the poor it's the other way around.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Keep that class struggle alive Mack

LOL.....as opposed to????

Well Ballbagz....no i'm not.....at this stage it may appear that way....but over the past 51 years i have been a swing voter, voted for Bob Hawke back in the day & still to this day think he was a great PM.........i have just had enough of this corrupt,incompetent,deceitfull and extremely wastefull government and as far as i am concerned stevie wonder would have better vision than these morons.........

and as stated by many commentators, politicians and pundits the budget put forward is a budget to trap the incoming government into certain budgetary corners.......

To many people have short memories regarding the waste and comical blunders of the past 5 years of these ALP governments, Gillard has placed Australia on the same path as the 13 years of the corrupt and farcical NSW ALP government.

anyway if i an Atypical Libertard, then you would be an Atypical ALPTARD, as soon as someone stumps up opposition to your opinion you attack their credibility.......

c'mon Ballbagz.......cut the personal attacks........

example # 1: Malcolm Turnbull is not a career politician, he is a multi Millionaire businessman and a politician.

=d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d>

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

You started the personal attacks not me.

As for calling you senile, care to prove me wrong?

-PB

Senile..!!!! LOL....get a grip......](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

care to reply to the topic at hand.....Malcolm Turnbull is not a career politician?????

care to debunk that one????

I never said he was, I asked;



You are agreeing with me.

Hence why I call you senile.

Losing the plot mate, "you've gone Troppo".

-PB

play semantics.....that's fine....you eluded that they are all career politicians....you sidestep better than a prize bull fighter.....

thought i would return a personal attack favour here Ballbags "YOU FUCKEN MORON"

You're the one calling me ballbagz for the past several pages, you started it so there's no need to get upset :lol:

And yes I called you a moron because that's what you are, you implied that I am a massive fan of Julia Gillard and implied my political support was of a certain nature (not that it matters).

I informed you of how I voted.

And yes I "eluded" that they are all career politicians, because they all are.

I asked, you said no, but you hardly backed it up with a prime example of someone who isn't.

So yeah keep going round in circles, I like wasting time.

P.S. You sound mad, politics seems to get you blood pressure up, best to try and avoid that.

-PB

Play nice boys

When do I not?

-PB

you mad bro????=p~ \:d/ \:d/

not me never.......Turnbull isn't a career politician...prime example right there;) ;) ......

didn't think you were so sensitive about the Ballbagz thing so from now on i won't refer to you as such.....

i am no more a moron than you are unless that's what you are admitting to....:-" :-" ;)

Lol.

Anyone who believes this fuckwit is going to improve their lives is an idiot.

"not everyone" read "lower classes will not"

same as anyone who beleives that Gillard the fuckwitt has......is a fuckwit

Yes a prime example.

I'm not sensitive, you're the one who got his knickers in a not when I called you senile/moron.

Seeing as you bring nothing other than blind one sided Libertardian views to this thread you're not even worth trying to debate about anything with.

-PB

How is your life worse off under Gillard, please.

I think the political mood and confidence in our leaders pretty low right now. Look at Labor trying to institute all these fantastic policies like Gonski and NDIS and yet they are still hated. They've basically stolen billions from the Australian tax payer to fund unaffordable progrmas and create a false legacy based on lies and fiscal incompetence.

Labor is so incredibly hopeless managing the economy, they are basically the political equivalent of Osieck, everything they touch turns to shit but they are convinced they're doing a good job.

The next Liberal government will be another 3 term one cleaning up this mess.

Your perception is at odds with economic reality, as confirmed by the IMF, leading world economists & Nobel prize winners... I as well as former Prime Minister John Howard.

Please explain.

How's Gonski a good thing? They're just moving money from universities to schools, resulting in further underfunded tertiary education that will become even more reliant on overseas students for financial support.

Can't comment on NDIS, don't know enough about it. But it's funny how Armidale is getting a shedload of moolah thrown at it right now...chunks of pork flying all over the marginals.

Can you provide any evidence to support your claims? There is plenty of evidence out there confirming exactly the opposite in regards to the economic credibility of the Gillard Government....it might also be worth remembering it is a minority Government, so if as you alledge they're so bad....doesn't some of the blame lay at Abbotts feet by definition?

Young left with $20,000 less super under Abbott: Labor

Date
May 17, 2013

A 30-year-old on an average salary will have $20,000 less in their superannuation accounts by the time they retire under Tony Abbott's budget plan, according to Labor's calculation of Treasury figures.

Labor ministers have rounded on the Opposition Leader's confirmation in his budget reply speech on Thursday night that he would delay by two years the increase in compulsory superannuation contributions from 9 to 12 per cent.

Superannuation Minister Bill Shorten called the two-year delay ''complete stupidity'', saying Mr Abbott was preventing people from having more money for retirement.

''The next generation of Australia workers will be retiring poorer. This is crazy,'' Mr Shorten told Fairfax Media.

''Tony Abbott's policies will cost 30-year-old Australians $20,000 by the time they retire if they delay increasing superannuation. That is just stupid.''

Mr Shorten recalled Mr Abbott once described compulsory superannuation as a ''con job'' and said he did not believe he had changed his view.

''A leopard never changes his spots,'' he said.

A spokeswoman for Mr Shorten said a 30-year-old worker on a full-time average wage - who makes no additional contributions and retires at 67 - would see an extra $127,000 by the time they retire under the government's promised boost to superannuation.

This would drop by $20,000 if the plan is deferred by two years as proposed by Mr Abbott in his budget reply speech, she said.

Former ACTU secretary Bill Kelty, who helped build the super system with former prime minister Paul Keating, said the decision was a ''half measure''.

''It's a sad decision to defer generational change unless there's a strong reason,'' he said. ''Because deferral in the past always meant that you lose it.''

The Financial Services Council, a lobby group for retail super funds and fund managers, which previously threatened an industry campaign against future changes to the industry, called on the Coalition to ''unequivocally re-commit'' to increasing the SG to 12 per cent by 2020, rather than 2022.

Finance Minister Penny Wong also attacked the Coalition on their superannuation plan, saying Mr Abbott had made clear would ''take an axe'' to the savings of 8.4 million Australians.

''Let's understand what Tony Abbott is saying: that it's fine for the poorest kids in this country to be left behind,'' Senator Wong said.

''And he confirmed his plans to hike up the taxes of everyone earning under $37,000 a year, mainly women, by $500,'' she added.

And the Prime Minister also weighed in on Mr Abbott's budget reply, telling reporters in Hobart on Friday that Mr Abbott had made his choices ''clear''.

''These are just the start of the cuts to the bone that the Leader of the Opposition has planned and it's clear that his targets are working people and their families,'' she said.

Shadow assistant treasurer Mathias Cormann said on Friday that the Coalition had stuck to its commitment not to scrap the planned increase in compulsory superannuation.

"We are delaying the phase in to the full 12 per cent by just two years so we'll get there by 2021 instead of 2019 under Labor," he said.

"In the meantime - to the extent the super increase comes out of people's wages, they'll be able to keep more of their money pre-retirement to help with their cost of living pressures now.

"To the extent that it is funded by business, this is a saving for business which helps them keep people in jobs at a time when Labor is predicting a rise in unemployment in their budget."

Senator Cormann said the decision to defer the increase would save $1.1 billion a year by 2016/17.

In her budget reply speech on Thursday night, Greens leader Christine Milne attacked both Labor and the Coalition.

Treasurer Wayne Swan had offered Australians ''a finance plan without a broad vision'', while ''Mr Abbott's alternative is worse''.

Mr Abbott's budget reply speech was ''full of rhetoric but devoid of detail – the very magic pudding against which Mr Hockey railed'', Senator Milne said.

Labor could not aspire to be both a reforming government and a low taxing government, she said. ''Labor is not doing enough and we know Tony Abbott will make it worse.''

The Greens would move to block Labor's cuts to university funding.

''The challenge for Tony Abbott is whether he will work with the Greens to protect our universities,'' Senator Milne said.

Speaking to reporters in Canberra on Friday, Senator Milne said: ''Abbott's budget is irresponsible, sneaky and cruel.''

''It is sneaky because Tony Abbott is hiding behind an endless mountain of white paper and commissioning a review into spending to disguise his real agenda.

''His budget is all about taking more and more from the poor while giving mining companies, banks and big polluters a free ride.''

with Madeleine Heffernan



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/young-left-with-20000-less-super-under-abbott-labor-20130517-2jqhs.html#ixzz2TYjhNdaY

1/. costs of compliance for businesses has gone through the roof
2/. tax compliance has done the same
3/. electricity costs have increased by 25% largely due to the carbon tax
4/. the cost of living for all families exploded

i have a chuckle when all you lefties continue to ask for proof.....why? do you think people aren't smart enough to know that when they pay there bills and living expenses that they are under intense pressure to make ends meet, even though they may have reduced spending on luxury items and reduced their quality of living???? i don't need any survey or statistic to tell me times are tough.....

i would suggest calling someone a fucking moron is a tad worse then a slight of hand changed to their screen name.....however i do apologise if it offended you....

however you continue a "libertardian" ....seriously.....get a grip....i am just totally over the government, you try and run a business in this enviroment in the construction industry and look at all the cost increases , compliance and red tape that has been lumped on us.....not to mention the increase in entitlements that was dumped on medium size businesses with the stroke of a pen when the new industrial relations bills was introduced......

yes and i am so desperate that i am prepared to trust Scabbott....because no one can rape, maim or plunder a nations wealth as quickly and decisively as this inept government....

who else should we turn to????