The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


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mcjules - 11 Sep 2017 1:11 PM
sokorny - 11 Sep 2017 11:19 AM

The prime ministerial beer and baby controversy - fake news at its finest


On Monday morning, the post had been "liked" by 17,000 Facebook users, and 1500 people had commented on it. Because I value my mental health I did not read all the comments, however I couldn't find a single one that wasn't sticking up for the Prime Minister in the face of the moral outrage he provoked, even though that moral outrage was not in evidence anywhere except in two comments quoted in the tabloid media and now, presumably, buried under an avalanche of nice comments.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/the-prime-ministerial-beer-and-baby-controversy--fake-news-at-its-finest-20170911-gyesxc.html


Fake news!


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mcjules - 11 Sep 2017 1:11 PM
sokorny - 11 Sep 2017 11:19 AM

The prime ministerial beer and baby controversy - fake news at its finest


On Monday morning, the post had been "liked" by 17,000 Facebook users, and 1500 people had commented on it. Because I value my mental health I did not read all the comments, however I couldn't find a single one that wasn't sticking up for the Prime Minister in the face of the moral outrage he provoked, even though that moral outrage was not in evidence anywhere except in two comments quoted in the tabloid media and now, presumably, buried under an avalanche of nice comments.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/the-prime-ministerial-beer-and-baby-controversy--fake-news-at-its-finest-20170911-gyesxc.html



Perhaps a PR stunt by the Liberal party to garner more support for Turnbull??

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sokorny - 11 Sep 2017 11:19 AM
mcjules - 11 Sep 2017 10:03 AM

I'd love to know the percentage of posters that complained to those that were supportive of it ... 

The prime ministerial beer and baby controversy - fake news at its finest


On Monday morning, the post had been "liked" by 17,000 Facebook users, and 1500 people had commented on it. Because I value my mental health I did not read all the comments, however I couldn't find a single one that wasn't sticking up for the Prime Minister in the face of the moral outrage he provoked, even though that moral outrage was not in evidence anywhere except in two comments quoted in the tabloid media and now, presumably, buried under an avalanche of nice comments.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/the-prime-ministerial-beer-and-baby-controversy--fake-news-at-its-finest-20170911-gyesxc.html




Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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mcjules - 11 Sep 2017 10:03 AM
Massive beatup to generate outrage from people who love to say "it's political correctness gone mad".

Who cares if a couple of people complained.

I'd love to know the percentage of posters that complained to those that were supportive of it ... 

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Massive beatup to generate outrage from people who love to say "it's political correctness gone mad".

Who cares if a couple of people complained.

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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Fucking social media is a cesspool full of fuckwits.

General populous dumbed down by shit like 60 Minutes and Sunrise.

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The laidback Aussie image is changing as we become a nation of knockers and whingers

WE USED to be a knockabout nation. Now we are a nation of knockers.

If a harmless photo of Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull nursing his grandchild while holding a beer can create a social media storm you know you are living in a country taking itself far too seriously.

Wake up Australia. You need to lighten up.

Say what you like about the PM – most do – but during his working hours recently he has been tackling issues as stressful as trying to help save the free world from the threat of nuclear war from North Korea.

Nuclear wars are major issues. Quiet beers at the football while nursing your granddaughter is not.

Yet on social media yesterday they were causing roughly as much concern as each other with some users outraged that the Prime Minister was “breathing grog’’ all over his granddaughter.

Former prime minister Bob Hawke slugs down a beer at the footy.
In 1981, Paul Hogan’s Aussie larrikin sketches entertained the nation.

Dear oh dear. Just as well social media was not around in the days of Bob Hawke, who famously loved a beer before be became PM. Goodness knows how many innocent children back then suffered from the curse of the beer-breathed ACTU leader.

Where are those children now? Did they even survive? Anyone for a senate inquiry?

We might as well launch one, for this is what Australia is becoming.

Australians luxuriate in our reputation as the land of knockabouts and larrikins, the one which produced outlaws who became legends such as Ned Kelly and laid-back comedy stars like Paul Hogan.

But the reality is we are turning into the sort of country we used to take the mickey out of.

For more than two centuries Australia has mocked our English forefathers as “whingeing Poms’’ and proudly noted that while they are known for stiff upper lips, we are a less formal go-with-the flow nation.

Well we used to be. Social media has changed that. Now everything is a drama.

Turnbull had every right to cuddle his granddaughter at the football while having a beer. But politics being politics, our bet is he will read the vicious feedback and won’t do it again if his Sydney Swans reach the AFL grand final.

One nuclear threat at a time is enough for any Prime Minister.
The laidback Aussie image is changing as we become a nation of knockers and whingers | The Courier-Mail



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mcjules - 26 Jul 2017 10:03 AM
Roar_Brisbane - 25 Jul 2017 10:03 PM

Having been through the process I can see how his story may be possible. Strongly dislike the guy, he's an environmental wrecker, but I think disqualifying people on potential technicalities like this is problematic. Besides, he's an LNP senator for Queensland, who knows what sort of nutcase will get in instead.


Turns out it was horseshit. 


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scott21 - 22 Aug 2017 4:00 PM
sydneyfc1987 - 22 Aug 2017 2:39 PM

Sure, but it shows the hypocrisy of a feminist government. 

I remember when I was in Australia there was Manus Is protesters at parliment. Instead of being in jail they were on the project.
Should be jail.

Hanson did the same and it should be jail for her... for disrupting parliment .... and because those clothes should be banned. 

From banks, public areas, shopping centres and especially government sites. And like you wrote, if people dont like it "protest by not going there (Australia)"
This is a public safety issue... like wearing a motorcycle helmet into a bank. 

I love this argument.

Why does one wear a motorcycle helmet?? To protect yourself whilst riding, so it serves no purpose once off the bike. Compared to an item of clothing worn for religious purposes. They are not comparable.

Also should be noted banks can ask to see the identity of someone wearing head coverings for religious purposes. Generally they will go to a separate room and have to provide photo id and have their identity checked. So if you wish to go into a bank with a motorcycle helmet and go through the same process I am sure they would oblige (although I would think it is simply easier and quicker to remove your helmet).

In regards to the clothing for me it is trying to enforce "fashion" laws upon Australians, which I am strongly against. It is not about security issues, this is a total BS argument (wearing a hat, sunnies, scarf, hoodie etc. I can conceal most of my identity but I don't see them arguing for them to be banned ... or face paint, dress up masks ... shall we ban them all too??) Australia does not need fashion police, and we definitely don't need laws that deal with fashion.
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sydneyfc1987 - 22 Aug 2017 2:39 PM
I actually don't see an issue with accepting a degree of religious custom when visiting somewhere like Iran. If you don't like it or find it oppressive, protest by not going there. 

That is what made the Saudi Arabian NT's behaviour during the minutes silence so deplorable. 

Sure, but it shows the hypocrisy of a feminist government. 

I remember when I was in Australia there was Manus Is protesters at parliment. Instead of being in jail they were on the project.
Should be jail.

Hanson did the same and it should be jail for her... for disrupting parliment .... and because those clothes should be banned. 

From banks, public areas, shopping centres and especially government sites. And like you wrote, if people dont like it "protest by not going there (Australia)"
This is a public safety issue... like wearing a motorcycle helmet into a bank. 
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I actually don't see an issue with accepting a degree of religious custom when visiting somewhere like Iran. If you don't like it or find it oppressive, protest by not going there. 

That is what made the Saudi Arabian NT's behaviour during the minutes silence so deplorable. 

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sokorny - 18 Aug 2017 4:56 PM
scott21 - 18 Aug 2017 4:19 PM

Bolt is such a moron. In parliament the speaker did mention that Hanson's identity was checked before entering parliament by security. In regards to his conclusion at the end, if Bolt had any ethics or common decency he would understand that the way to engage a community that is being ostracised is not by trying to further ostracise them. It's not rocket science, but that doesn't fit Bolt's narrative. Much better to spin it in a way to create more fear, intolerance and hatred ... who wants to read factual news, when opinion pieces sell so much better (shock jocks have made money off it for years ... they are the equivalent of modern day internet trolls).

but shit like this is real...

Sweden defends officials wearing headscarves in Iran

Ann Linde wearing a light purple headscarf, sitting at a desk with a small Swedish flag in Tehran, IranImage copyrightIRNA
Image captionTrade Minister Ann Linde led a business delegation last week

The Swedish government has defended its decision to have its officials wear headscarves during a trip to Iran, saying that failing to do so would have broken the law.

Trade Minister Ann Linde led a business team last week and faced criticism for wearing a headscarf, or hijab.

Sweden says it has the world's first "feminist government".

A prominent Iranian women's rights activist and Swedish politicians have criticised the decision.

"It is ruinous to what is called a feminist foreign policy" said Liberal party chief Jan Bjorklund, who said Iran oppressed women through legislation.

The Swedish government should have requested that female members of the delegation should not have been required to wear a headscarf, he said, and that if the request were not granted any trade agreements should have been signed in Sweden or a third country.

But Ms Linde told the Aftonbladet newspaper that she was not willing to break Iranian law. She said that since the only other option would be to send an all-male delegation, she was required to wear a headscarf.

Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven was also in Iran and said he raised human rights issues with Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

Sweden's climate minister Isabella Lovin in a photo posted on Facebook of her signing the country's new climate law, 3 February 2017Image copyrightISABELLA LOVIN: FACEBOOK
Image captionSweden has declared itself the world's first feminist government
European Union High Representative for Foreign Affairs, Federica Mogherini (2ndR) and her delegation meet with Iran's Foreign minister on April 16, 2016 in the capital TehranImage copyrightAFP
Image captionEU foreign affairs chief Federica Mogherini also wore a headscarf during a visit to Tehran in April last year

Masih Alinejad, an Iranian journalist and activist, posted an image of Swedish Deputy Prime Minister Isabella Lovin signing a climate bill surrounded by female colleagues earlier this month next to one of several female Swedish government officials wearing headscarves and greeting Mr Rouhani.

The image of Ms Lovin was widely seen as mocking a picture of Donald Trump signing an anti-abortion executive order surrounded by male aides and advisers.

Women in the Swedish government "should have condemned an equally unfair situation in Iran," Ms Alinejad posted to My Stealthy Freedom, a popular Facebook page she runs that encourages Iranian women to post pictures of themselves without the hijab.

"Because if you are feminists and you care about equality then you should challenge inequality everywhere," she told the BBC. "They must stand for their own values."

Is Sweden's deputy PM trolling Trump?

Iranian women's fight for freedom

The Swedish government says that "equality between women and men is a fundamental aim of Swedish foreign policy".

SwedenImage copyrightAP
Image captionAnn Linde signs documents with Iran's vice-president for women and family affairs, Shahindokht Molaverdi

In 2015, several media reports noted that former US First Lady Michelle Obama did not wear a headscarf during a visit to Saudi Arabia after the death of King Abdullah, although numerous foreign female leaders and dignitaries had previously done so.

Foreign women are not required to wear a headscarf in the country, unlike in Iran.

Ms Linde said she would not wear one during an upcoming visit to Saudi Arabia.

Saudi new King Salman (R), and US First Lady Michelle Obama (C) hold a receiving line for delegation members at the Erga Palace in the capital Riyadh on January 27, 2015. Michelle Obama wears a blue dress and long jacket.Image copyrightAFP
Image captionMichelle Obama was in Saudi Arabia in January 2015

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scott21 - 18 Aug 2017 4:19 PM

Andrew Bolt: Worrying response to Pauline Hanson’s burqa stunt

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YES, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is guilty of pulling a stunt by wearing a face-covering burqa into Parliament.

But the reaction to it from our political elite — huffsters like Attorney-General George Brandis — is what scares me more.

Labor and Greens senators shouted “shame” and “you’re a disgrace” as Hanson hovered in and asked Brandis if the Government would ban the burqa, at least in Parliament.

As Hanson later noted, not a single security guard had asked to see her face.

And as she also noted, the burqa has been banned from public areas not just in European countries like France, Belgium and Italy, but also in Muslim ones like Malaysia.

She has a point here, and that’s even without considering the burqa is also a shameful symbol of the subjugation of women, blotting them out of the public space.

You’d actually expect Labor and the Greens — normally fast to denounce sexism — to denounce the burqa, too.

Pauline Hanson removes her burqa during Senate Question Time. Picture: AAP

Instead we got the same overheated damnation of Hanson that will convince many Australians she is in fact one of the few politicians with the guts to call things by their proper name.

But George Brandis is not.

Brandis should note well that by the end of his speech attacking Hanson’s stunt he got a standing ovation from the Greens and Labor, but none from his own side.

In fact, barely half the Liberal and Nationals Senators even clapped, and here’s why.

First, Brandis — and Senators of the Left — savaged Hanson for wearing a burqa, but many voters would know these same MPs would have applauded the “courage” of a Muslim MP wearing that alienating sack.

Second, Brandis dangerously elevated the burqa as an important symbol of Islam — a “religious garment”.

Labor’s Penny Wong was as bad, praising the wearing of the burqa as a “sincere act of faith”.

That’s troubling.

Apologists used to claim the burqa was just a backward tribal thing that did not represent nice and sweet Islam at all. But now it apparently does.

Attorney-General George Brandis responds to Pauline Hanson. Picture: AAP
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Senators applaud George Brandis for his criticism of Pauline Hanson. Picture: AAP

Third, Brandis, voice cracking with emotion, then got to the heart of his problem with Hanson’s burqa, and this is not just troubling but alarming.

“It has been the advice of each Director-General of security … and each Commissioner of the Australian Federal Police with whom I have worked that it is vital for their intelligence and law enforcement work that they work cooperatively with the Muslim community,” he blustered.

“To ridicule that community, to drive it into a corner, to mock its religious garments is an appalling thing to do.”

Let me translate: do not mock or criticise the burqa or more Muslims will attack us.

Sorry, but I don’t want us cowed by such threats. The burqa is an abomination, and no threats should stop me from asserting this feminist truth.

Does anyone tell gay activists to stop dressing up as nuns or Christians may blow us up?

What Brandis has in fact said is that Muslims are dangerous, and the burqa represents them.

I hope Brandis is just exaggerating the extremism of most Muslims.

But I certainly know he’s kowtowing to a radical minority who want their women bagged and hidden from view.

That is unacceptable.

What Hanson says is not so important. But what is said by Hanson’s powerful critics — that’s what really has me worried.

Andrew Bolt: Worrying response to Pauline Hanson’s burqa stunt | Herald Sun


Bolt is such a moron. In parliament the speaker did mention that Hanson's identity was checked before entering parliament by security. In regards to his conclusion at the end, if Bolt had any ethics or common decency he would understand that the way to engage a community that is being ostracised is not by trying to further ostracise them. It's not rocket science, but that doesn't fit Bolt's narrative. Much better to spin it in a way to create more fear, intolerance and hatred ... who wants to read factual news, when opinion pieces sell so much better (shock jocks have made money off it for years ... they are the equivalent of modern day internet trolls).

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Lol at crocodile tears from Brandis, piss off you c*nt
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Andrew Bolt: Worrying response to Pauline Hanson’s burqa stunt

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YES, One Nation leader Pauline Hanson is guilty of pulling a stunt by wearing a face-covering burqa into Parliament.

But the reaction to it from our political elite — huffsters like Attorney-General George Brandis — is what scares me more.

Labor and Greens senators shouted “shame” and “you’re a disgrace” as Hanson hovered in and asked Brandis if the Government would ban the burqa, at least in Parliament.

As Hanson later noted, not a single security guard had asked to see her face.

And as she also noted, the burqa has been banned from public areas not just in European countries like France, Belgium and Italy, but also in Muslim ones like Malaysia.

She has a point here, and that’s even without considering the burqa is also a shameful symbol of the subjugation of women, blotting them out of the public space.

You’d actually expect Labor and the Greens — normally fast to denounce sexism — to denounce the burqa, too.

Pauline Hanson removes her burqa during Senate Question Time. Picture: AAP

Instead we got the same overheated damnation of Hanson that will convince many Australians she is in fact one of the few politicians with the guts to call things by their proper name.

But George Brandis is not.

Brandis should note well that by the end of his speech attacking Hanson’s stunt he got a standing ovation from the Greens and Labor, but none from his own side.

In fact, barely half the Liberal and Nationals Senators even clapped, and here’s why.

First, Brandis — and Senators of the Left — savaged Hanson for wearing a burqa, but many voters would know these same MPs would have applauded the “courage” of a Muslim MP wearing that alienating sack.

Second, Brandis dangerously elevated the burqa as an important symbol of Islam — a “religious garment”.

Labor’s Penny Wong was as bad, praising the wearing of the burqa as a “sincere act of faith”.

That’s troubling.

Apologists used to claim the burqa was just a backward tribal thing that did not represent nice and sweet Islam at all. But now it apparently does.

Attorney-General George Brandis responds to Pauline Hanson. Picture: AAP
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Senators applaud George Brandis for his criticism of Pauline Hanson. Picture: AAP

Third, Brandis, voice cracking with emotion, then got to the heart of his problem with Hanson’s burqa, and this is not just troubling but alarming.

“It has been the advice of each Director-General of security … and each Commissioner of the Australian Federal Police with whom I have worked that it is vital for their intelligence and law enforcement work that they work cooperatively with the Muslim community,” he blustered.

“To ridicule that community, to drive it into a corner, to mock its religious garments is an appalling thing to do.”

Let me translate: do not mock or criticise the burqa or more Muslims will attack us.

Sorry, but I don’t want us cowed by such threats. The burqa is an abomination, and no threats should stop me from asserting this feminist truth.

Does anyone tell gay activists to stop dressing up as nuns or Christians may blow us up?

What Brandis has in fact said is that Muslims are dangerous, and the burqa represents them.

I hope Brandis is just exaggerating the extremism of most Muslims.

But I certainly know he’s kowtowing to a radical minority who want their women bagged and hidden from view.

That is unacceptable.

What Hanson says is not so important. But what is said by Hanson’s powerful critics — that’s what really has me worried.

Andrew Bolt: Worrying response to Pauline Hanson’s burqa stunt | Herald Sun


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Bullion - 18 Aug 2017 12:07 PM

Interesting take ... really think they need to perhaps look at the constitution in this respect. It would be interesting to look through history, I'd imagine a few back in the day would have had "allegiances" to Mother England.

After reading that I had a look around and found a rebuttal, basically the high court in Aus has looked at interpretations like that and not likely to rule on a reading of the law as literal as that. 
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Bullion - 18 Aug 2017 12:07 PM
Turns out no Australian is eligible to be elected to parliament. lol
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11906614

If you were to take Australian law to the letter, then there would not be a single Australian citizen qualified to serve in that country's Parliament.

Amid the dual citizenship scandal involving a number of Australian MPs, a Sydney barrister has claimed that, a section of the federal constitution could arguably disqualify everyone from parliament... and New Zealand is to blame for that.

In a blog post on the Huffington Post, barrister Robert Angyal pointed out that section 44 of the Australian Constitution states that anyone "under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power" would be disqualified from serving in federal parliament.

"Under recent and little-noticed changes to New Zealand law, Australian citizens now don't need a visa to live, study or work in the Land of the Long White Cloud. That's right: Any Australian citizen is entitled to live, study and work there," he said.

"That means we're all entitled to the rights and privileges of a subject of New Zealand - not a citizen, with the attached rights and privileges such as voting - but to be a subject of that country, living there, subject to New Zealand law, working or studying. And there's no doubt that New Zealand is a foreign power."

According to Angyal, if section 44 were to be taken into account, no Australian would be eligible to be an Australian MP.

He went on to explain that it's not about using those rights and privileges of a foreign power as you only need to be entitled to those rights and privileges.

"New Zealand law has made every Australian citizen incapable of being elected to, or serving in, the Australian Parliament. It's not just Barnaby Joyce: It's everyone," he added.


Interesting take ... really think they need to perhaps look at the constitution in this respect. It would be interesting to look through history, I'd imagine a few back in the day would have had "allegiances" to Mother England.
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Turns out no Australian is eligible to be elected to parliament. lol
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11906614

If you were to take Australian law to the letter, then there would not be a single Australian citizen qualified to serve in that country's Parliament.

Amid the dual citizenship scandal involving a number of Australian MPs, a Sydney barrister has claimed that, a section of the federal constitution could arguably disqualify everyone from parliament... and New Zealand is to blame for that.

In a blog post on the Huffington Post, barrister Robert Angyal pointed out that section 44 of the Australian Constitution states that anyone "under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power" would be disqualified from serving in federal parliament.

"Under recent and little-noticed changes to New Zealand law, Australian citizens now don't need a visa to live, study or work in the Land of the Long White Cloud. That's right: Any Australian citizen is entitled to live, study and work there," he said.

"That means we're all entitled to the rights and privileges of a subject of New Zealand - not a citizen, with the attached rights and privileges such as voting - but to be a subject of that country, living there, subject to New Zealand law, working or studying. And there's no doubt that New Zealand is a foreign power."

According to Angyal, if section 44 were to be taken into account, no Australian would be eligible to be an Australian MP.

He went on to explain that it's not about using those rights and privileges of a foreign power as you only need to be entitled to those rights and privileges.

"New Zealand law has made every Australian citizen incapable of being elected to, or serving in, the Australian Parliament. It's not just Barnaby Joyce: It's everyone," he added.


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I see Dutton has the tact of a sledgehammer RE: the Aussie jihadi killed overseas.

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Roar_Brisbane - 17 Aug 2017 5:17 PM
One hell of a week for Auspol. 

The fact that I agreed with both Brandis and Bernardi yesterday makes me feel dirty :laugh:

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sydneycroatia58 - 17 Aug 2017 7:53 PM
Fiona Nash now referring herself to the High Court after finding out she's probably a British dual citizen.

So that's the Leader & Deputy of the Nationals party both being dual citizens yet neither will stand down, farcical. 
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Fiona Nash now referring herself to the High Court after finding out she's probably a British dual citizen.
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One hell of a week for Auspol. 
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Love it :laugh:

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Munrubenmuz - 17 Aug 2017 3:24 PM
mcjules - 17 Aug 2017 3:11 PM

Would hope not.

As ridiculous as Hanson is that Niqab getup is even worse.

Meh, I wouldn't wear one obviously but if a person wants to for religious reasons I have no issue what so ever.




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mcjules - 17 Aug 2017 3:11 PM

I hope one day a woman does that for legitimate reasons. Inshaallah.

Would hope not.

As ridiculous as Hanson is that Niqab getup is even worse.






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I hope one day a woman does that for legitimate reasons. Inshaallah.

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Meanwhile....

http://www.news.com.au/national/pauline-hanson-turns-up-to-parliament-in-full-burqa/news-story/c04fe220ba1722f63fe9e321c7cd50f8




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Would love for a New England by-election.

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Going have to seriously look at the constitution.

Not going to look good for Joyce or the other Lib MP if they are ordered to step down by the High Court (in effect will be fired, rather than taking the dignified step of resignation). Yes the law is a bit dated and silly (esp. considering money will sway a pollie more than national allegiances nowadays), but unfortunately the law stands and pollies must be the leaders in upholding Australian laws.
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