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batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:We really need to make citing blogs as news references a ban-worthy offence. agree entirely....................100% some fucktard writes a blog and automatically it holds water.....NOT Even if that blog is attacking labour? ;) o:) -PB yep........ i laugh....sometimes people refer to books as a reference to an argument and education is largely based on text....but it's only as good as the individual who writes it......just another human being.....who says they are right.... What if its a blog that directly refers to statistics & facts?
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:I've always said that FairWork went too far back the other way from WorkChoices.
Needs a nice balance somewhere in the middle. have to agree....and it has had a bad impact on some businesses..... like when tradesmen worked for me they would get all their entitlements and a week of redundancy for every year they worked for me.....it was in the award... then in our sector it was changed to 1 week for the first year and sudsequent year until year 4 where it ramped up to 12 weeks then 4 weeks for each year of service....with the swipe of a pen my employee entitlements for redundancy increased by $278,000.00 overnight....so tell me how does a business deal with that??? You can't use your example as the example of all business. Legislation that results in what you are referring to is in direct reply to businesses doing the WRONG thing by taking a "force redundancies first, ask questions later" mentality. By making it more expensive to make people redundant, it makes companies look at other ways to keep people employed and more productive, thus keeping another mouth in employment and off the newstart teet. this reply is wrong on so many levels..........the only way you will ever get it is to take the risk of employing 20-30 people and do it all by the books as i do.......what you are suggesting is that employers don't care about their employee's.......and we rape them for what we can get out of them........ what a complete load of rubbish......force redundancy....what do you think redundancy is you noodle......there is no bloody work......fuck you make me angry sometimes completely stupid analysis of business owners like me..... and the comment about forcing companies to find other ways to keep people employed ?????? it's in my/our benefit to keep people employed you fucken noodle....that's what our business life revolves around......FMD you are seriously lost are you for real...... Don't get emotional, I'm telling it how it is. Just because you run your business with a supposed people first mentality doesn't mean that it's anywhere near a majority mentality. The vast majority of businesses run on profits first, people second... No matter whether it's too the detriment of the economy at large or not. I'm shocked that you would be so naive as someone that is such a business aficionado. i am shocked that you can assume that ALL businesses are out there to rape employee's.....i am part of many industry groups, and i can tell you 99% of these small to medium businesses are great people who really care about their employee's and the industry......you are naive to think that we would pour thousands upon thousands of $$$$ into training our tradesmen to terminate fiber, terminated high speed data, program lighting control systems work in a safe method and follow SWMS and OHS procedures on a construction site.....employ and train apprentices to then turn around and take your so called "forced redundancy" as an easy way out, after just investing considerable sums of money in these people????? i think there are some poor employers but they are more likely to be in specific industries who are not self regulated or regulated at all...... Again mate, I have to pull you up on using anecdotes in a small part of NSW as nation-wide fact.
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Mad as hell and not ready to make nice July 13, 2013 Get over it, girl, I am being told. Move on. Accept the new reality. What's done is done and, besides, you can't argue with the polls. Whatever you might think of Kevin Rudd or how it was done, people are saying, (they tend to be Labor people), it needed to be done: he has brought Labor back to a competitive position. Heck, we could even win. So shut up with the gender stuff and the so-called bullying of the former prime minister. We all know she was a dud. In the 17 days since she was deposed Julia Gillard has been thoroughly trashed. She was "incompetent", wrote Graham Richardson, relying mainly on errors in the 2010 election campaign rather than her record of government for this assessment. "She lacked authenticity and never gained the trust of voters", asserted Troy Bramston, overlooking the years of sabotage, stalking and sledging by the man who now wants voters to trust him. Laura Tingle even referred this week to "the Gillard experiment", implying the ALP won't be going there again. Meaning what? No more women? Or lawyers? Or single, childless, atheist Welsh redheads? Gillard's three years and three days are now being totally airbrushed from history. People hated her, I am told by way of justification for Gillard being hounded out of office, just look at the polls. Her party turned against her. OK, so there were only seven votes in it, but winning is winning. Don't jeopardise the chance to stop Tony Abbott by banging on about it being un-Australian for bullying to be rewarded. I am not the only person who feels a range of emotions from utter sadness to irrepressible rage at how our first female prime minister was got rid of. I have had dozens and dozens of communications from people, most of them women, since June 26, many of them in the wake of reading my interview with Gillard, her last as prime minister. Without exception, these people are upset and angry. They are not ready to move on. Not yet, anyway. What will it take? Kevin Rudd is now undeniably back in charge. He is setting a cracking pace as he zips around the country laying on hands, dispensing his "fair dinkum" homilies, soaking up the love and consigning to the grave the "old politics" of negativity. But while he might be pointing at Opposition Leader Tony Abbott while he talks about "old politics", his sights are in fact set on Julia Gillard. Her three years and three days leading this country are now being systematically either derided and ridiculed or else totally airbrushed from history. It's almost as if it is being suggested that we were not actually being governed for all that time. Never mind that Gillard served longer as prime minister than Gough Whitlam. Or that Kevin Rudd will have to win the next election if he is to ever exceed her time in office. (And if he does, he could be stuck in there for a very long time under the proposed new leadership rules he sprang on the ALP this week). On the night he regained his old job, Rudd acknowledged, without any specifics, that Gillard has "achieved much under the difficult circumstances of minority government", but since then a cone of silence has descended. At the National Press Club on Thursday he referred to the Hawke government, the Keating government and to his own "first" and "second" terms in office. He did not once refer to Julia Gillard or her government. He paid no tribute to her stellar legislative record: some 590 pieces of legislation passed, despite the hung parliament, and including measures such as pricing carbon and the NDIS that he had not been able to achieve. If Kevin Rudd wants generosity from those of us who are still upset about the way Gillard was treated, he had better start exhibiting some himself. He could start by telling the truth. He did not, for instance, replace "Gonski" with the "Better Schools" program. Gillard had already changed the name. He criticised her for choosing September 14 as the election date because it falls on the High Holy Day of Yom Kippur. As if Gillard was not aware of this. She had one of her senior advisers, Bruce Wolpe (who happens to be Jewish), consult Jewish leaders immediately after the announcement. "It was an inconvenience," Wolpe told me this week. "But what made it acceptable was that we gave the community seven months' notice and we pledged additional polling resources in those electorates where it would be an issue". (In fact since Australian elections are always on a Saturday, it's always an issue for observant Jews. ''That's what postal votes are for," says Wolpe.) Rudd took credit on Thursday for a paid parental leave scheme that (" 'we' launched", he said) would not exist had Gillard not set the policy in motion by a reference to the Productivity Commission in 2008. Instead of respecting Gillard's legacy, he continues to throw barbs: "I have never believed in class warfare," he said on Thursday. This of course is code, used by Martin Ferguson and others, for claiming the Gillard government was anti-business. Nor does he "see things through the prism of gender," he said last week. "I never have and I never will." Well, no, Kevin, being part of the dominant group, the one that is back running the joint, you wouldn't. It would never occur to you. But it remains an issue for a lot of us and, especially if you are a woman, it is hard not to see parallels in your own life when a female leader is so brutally felled. In 2003 a member of the Dixie Chicks, the Texan all-girl group, rebuked President George Bush for invading Iraq. As a result they were told they needed to apologise. No way, the group said. Not Ready to Make nice was their major hit song three years later. "I'm not ready to back down. I'm still mad as hell … " Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/mad-as-hell-and-not-ready-to-make-nice-20130712-2pv9d.html#ixzz2YtPe799j
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Baby boy dies after asylum seeker boat capsizes near Christmas Island Quote:The body of a boy aged under one has been recovered by Customs officials after an asylum seeker boat capsized near Christmas Island overnight.
A search and rescue operation is continuing for eight people still missing after their vessel started taking on water 87 nautical miles north of the island yesterday.
Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare says 97 people from Iran, Afghanistan and Sri Lanka were on board the boat, which officials believe came from Indonesia.
Those rescued last night have been taken to Christmas Island.
"Last night our officers rescued 88 people and they've recovered the body of a little baby boy," Mr Clare told reporters.
The minister says authorities are doing everything they can to find those still missing.
"[The search] involves two of our Navy patrol boats, a merchant vessel as well as the Australian Air Force's P-3 Orion aircraft and two charted Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) aircraft," he said.
The alarm was raised yesterday morning after a man in Melbourne received a phone call from a person on the boat who said it was in trouble.
"At approximately 11:15am (AEST) the Australian Federal Police advised AMSA that they had received a call from a man in Melbourne, who said that he'd received a call on his mobile phone from a person on a vessel saying that the vessel was in trouble," Mr Clare said.
"Information from the caller suggested that the vessel was disabled, it was taking on water, and that there were over 90 people on board."
Mr Clare says when the Customs ship Triton arrived at the boat around 10pm (AEST) last night, the vessel was stationary.
"At approximately 10:30pm the Triton reported that a wave had broken over the vessel and it had taken on more water and had begun to sink," he said.
HMAS Albany and HMAS Bathurst were called for extra assistance. Bathurst arrived at 1:20am this morning and Albany at 4am (AEST).
Mr Clare says a review will look at the response by Australian authorities.
"I don't think it's appropriate for me today to pre-empt or prejudge the work of our Rescue Coordination Centre or Border Protection Command," Mr Clare said.
"These are part of the things that will be looked at as part of our standard internal review of all matters when a death at sea occurs.
"In these circumstances there is always a review conducted by Border Protection Command.
"It is also open to the West Australian coroner to conduct an independent inquiry of this search and rescue." Edit: please post links to articles, thanks http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-13/baby-boy-dies-after-boat-capsizes-near-christmas-island/4818474Edited by Joffa: 13/7/2013 05:14:44 PM
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Rudd says working with Indonesia is 'now urgent'Quote:Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says he was saddened to hear of the child's death and the tragedy underlines the importance for Australia to continue to adjust its policies.
"That is why our response, in terms of elevating the work we do cooperatively with the Indonesians and others, is now urgent," he said.
"That is why other measures, in terms of the continued adjustment of our border protection policy, are also critical.
"Right across our region there are events occurring which affect the flow of people and the actions of people smugglers, and this is one part of that, and it's a tragic part of it.
"What we're seeking to do is to work at multiple levels, working with the source countries, working with police and intelligence agencies, working with transit countries, working on the high seas, working on visa arrangements, working also on the criteria which are used... on whether or not a person has bona fide refugee status or not.
"This is an absolute priority for me, an absolute priority for the Government, to continue to adjust our policy to changing circumstances." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-13/baby-boy-dies-after-boat-capsizes-near-christmas-island/4818474It took 6 years and hundreds of drownings but "now" it's urgent. thanks Krudd Edited by lukerobinho: 13/7/2013 05:21:03 PM
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RedKat wrote:http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/exclusive-rudd8217s-sister-wants-putinstyle-homosexuality-ban/story-fnho52ip-1226678897017
Nothing in this really. Just good for a brief pointless chuckle
Edited by RedKat: 14/7/2013 12:28:49 AM She quit the ALP a few years ago because the party was going against the laws of Moses :lol:
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:We really need to make citing blogs as news references a ban-worthy offence. agree entirely....................100% some fucktard writes a blog and automatically it holds water.....NOT Even if that blog is attacking labour? ;) o:) -PB yep........ i laugh....sometimes people refer to books as a reference to an argument and education is largely based on text....but it's only as good as the individual who writes it......just another human being.....who says they are right.... What if its a blog that directly refers to statistics & facts? depends on the source of the statistics and if they are real facts or conjured figures
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:I've always said that FairWork went too far back the other way from WorkChoices.
Needs a nice balance somewhere in the middle. have to agree....and it has had a bad impact on some businesses..... like when tradesmen worked for me they would get all their entitlements and a week of redundancy for every year they worked for me.....it was in the award... then in our sector it was changed to 1 week for the first year and sudsequent year until year 4 where it ramped up to 12 weeks then 4 weeks for each year of service....with the swipe of a pen my employee entitlements for redundancy increased by $278,000.00 overnight....so tell me how does a business deal with that??? You can't use your example as the example of all business. Legislation that results in what you are referring to is in direct reply to businesses doing the WRONG thing by taking a "force redundancies first, ask questions later" mentality. By making it more expensive to make people redundant, it makes companies look at other ways to keep people employed and more productive, thus keeping another mouth in employment and off the newstart teet. this reply is wrong on so many levels..........the only way you will ever get it is to take the risk of employing 20-30 people and do it all by the books as i do.......what you are suggesting is that employers don't care about their employee's.......and we rape them for what we can get out of them........ what a complete load of rubbish......force redundancy....what do you think redundancy is you noodle......there is no bloody work......fuck you make me angry sometimes completely stupid analysis of business owners like me..... and the comment about forcing companies to find other ways to keep people employed ?????? it's in my/our benefit to keep people employed you fucken noodle....that's what our business life revolves around......FMD you are seriously lost are you for real...... Don't get emotional, I'm telling it how it is. Just because you run your business with a supposed people first mentality doesn't mean that it's anywhere near a majority mentality. The vast majority of businesses run on profits first, people second... No matter whether it's too the detriment of the economy at large or not. I'm shocked that you would be so naive as someone that is such a business aficionado. i am shocked that you can assume that ALL businesses are out there to rape employee's.....i am part of many industry groups, and i can tell you 99% of these small to medium businesses are great people who really care about their employee's and the industry......you are naive to think that we would pour thousands upon thousands of $$$$ into training our tradesmen to terminate fiber, terminated high speed data, program lighting control systems work in a safe method and follow SWMS and OHS procedures on a construction site.....employ and train apprentices to then turn around and take your so called "forced redundancy" as an easy way out, after just investing considerable sums of money in these people????? i think there are some poor employers but they are more likely to be in specific industries who are not self regulated or regulated at all...... Again mate, I have to pull you up on using anecdotes in a small part of NSW as nation-wide fact. :-" umm the statistics and membership base i refer to is the National Elelectrical & Communications Association ( NECA ) they carry survey's and membership feedback across the entire country in many and varied sectors of the industry over a very broad membership base, from 2&3 men teams to companies employing upto 1,000....so pretty sure that's going to give me a fairly accurate cross section of my industry..... no anecdotes here buddy....just plain and simple facts & experience.....;)
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Do they publish survey results?
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obviously that important meeting with Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono worked everything is just fine and dandy now......
oh wait??????
we can trust so silly bangbang yo do have a yoyo
he is just loving our aid hand out and shifting the asylum problem from his doorstep to ours
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lol at Libs; complain when Labour brought in the Carbon Tax, complain when Labour try to scrap it. -PB
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Hahaha fuck me Abbott couldn't get through 2 comparisons without the "Stop the Boats" tagline rofl. -PB
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notorganic wrote:Do they publish survey results? of course to its members in our monthly magazine.....they do miles of surveys, very professional and organised industry reps.....expensive but worth it in my opinion.....
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paulbagzFC wrote:lol at Libs; complain when Labour brought in the Carbon Tax, complain when Labour try to scrap it.
-PB here's the thing paul..all the lefties run on about the carbon tax and bag Abbott for wanting to scrap it ...BUT when KRUD says he will scrap it he is a hero......??????](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)
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and out of the 100% failure list of This government at least 75% were KRUDD implemented policies.....Go figure how anyone could think he is anything more then smoke and mirrors......
just go on instagram and appeal to the mindless kiddies with selfies and you on a winner....
and i thought it couldn't get any worse?!!!!!
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Can you list those "failures" for us again?
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also whats wrong to appealing to the youth ?they are the future leaders of this country .they are the ones who have to fix our mess up
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batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:lol at Libs; complain when Labour brought in the Carbon Tax, complain when Labour try to scrap it.
-PB here's the thing paul..all the lefties run on about the carbon tax and bag Abbott for wanting to scrap it ...BUT when KRUD says he will scrap it he is a hero......??????](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) The thing is that Abbott wants to scrap it in favour of throwing $3bn at business and asking them nicely to stop polluting. It's an absolute joke. The ETS is a market based mechanism that will not cost the taxpayer in the way that Abbott's plan does.
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Libs are mad because that was revenue that they were banking on for their budgets. They were never going to scrap it because Labour had already taken the heat/flak for it so it was just a matter of sitting back and blaming it on Labour while continuing to rake in the dollars. Rofl. -PB
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notorganic wrote:Can you list those "failures" for us again? why repeat these things over and over again??? Oh that's right for the dummies who rate politicians on their instagram and tweeter posts.....
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:lol at Libs; complain when Labour brought in the Carbon Tax, complain when Labour try to scrap it.
-PB here's the thing paul..all the lefties run on about the carbon tax and bag Abbott for wanting to scrap it ...BUT when KRUD says he will scrap it he is a hero......??????](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) The thing is that Abbott wants to scrap it in favour of throwing $3bn at business and asking them nicely to stop polluting. It's an absolute joke. The ETS is a market based mechanism that will not cost the taxpayer in the way that Abbott's plan does. the point here is KRUDD and the ALP change their position as often as their underpants.....and you can continually find reasons to accept it and defend it........no drama's to me...it's you and your generation who will be digging yourself out of the debt and shit this government has flung us into........you all seem to be able to justify absolutely anything these morons do...LOL....sheep being led by the blind who are leading the blinds....it's like a bad episode of DUMB & DUMBER...LOL
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paulbagzFC wrote:Libs are mad because that was revenue that they were banking on for their budgets.
They were never going to scrap it because Labour had already taken the heat/flak for it so it was just a matter of sitting back and blaming it on Labour while continuing to rake in the dollars.
Rofl.
-PB so your telling me the libs won't scrap the carbon tax?????? at the end of the day humans respond better to incentives and rewards than tax and penalties......
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batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Libs are mad because that was revenue that they were banking on for their budgets.
They were never going to scrap it because Labour had already taken the heat/flak for it so it was just a matter of sitting back and blaming it on Labour while continuing to rake in the dollars.
Rofl.
-PB so your telling me the libs won't scrap the carbon tax?????? at the end of the day humans respond better to incentives and rewards than tax and penalties...... So instead of speeding fines....speeding bonuses, I like it.
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:Can you list those "failures" for us again? why repeat these things over and over again??? Oh that's right for the dummies who rate politicians on their instagram and tweeter posts..... I was asking because despite independent audits and investigations, there are many things that the ALP has done that have been soundly vindicated and proven to be successful that are still being labelled as failures by people that refuse to accept reality because of their strange ideology.
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:lol at Libs; complain when Labour brought in the Carbon Tax, complain when Labour try to scrap it.
-PB here's the thing paul..all the lefties run on about the carbon tax and bag Abbott for wanting to scrap it ...BUT when KRUD says he will scrap it he is a hero......??????](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) The thing is that Abbott wants to scrap it in favour of throwing $3bn at business and asking them nicely to stop polluting. It's an absolute joke. The ETS is a market based mechanism that will not cost the taxpayer in the way that Abbott's plan does. the point here is KRUDD and the ALP change their position as often as their underpants.....and you can continually find reasons to accept it and defend it........no drama's to me...it's you and your generation who will be digging yourself out of the debt and shit this government has flung us into........you all seem to be able to justify absolutely anything these morons do...LOL....sheep being led by the blind who are leading the blinds....it's like a bad episode of DUMB & DUMBER...LOL The ETS is what Rudd originally proposed. It was the same legislation that Abbott disagreed with because it could be much better served with "a simple tax". How do you justify your accusations of pragmatism and popularism on the face of that evidence? As for the rest of your generational attacks, it would be nice if you could actually talk to the policies and relative merits / problems with the policies themselves.
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:Can you list those "failures" for us again? why repeat these things over and over again??? Oh that's right for the dummies who rate politicians on their instagram and tweeter posts..... I was asking because despite independent audits and investigations, there are many things that the ALP has done that have been soundly vindicated and proven to be successful that are still being labelled as failures by people that refuse to accept reality because of their strange ideology. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) propaganda and rhetoric....
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Joffa wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Libs are mad because that was revenue that they were banking on for their budgets.
They were never going to scrap it because Labour had already taken the heat/flak for it so it was just a matter of sitting back and blaming it on Labour while continuing to rake in the dollars.
Rofl.
-PB so your telling me the libs won't scrap the carbon tax?????? at the end of the day humans respond better to incentives and rewards than tax and penalties...... So instead of speeding fines....speeding bonuses, I like it. nice try...how about if you don't get booked for a certain period of time your license doesnt cost you anything or you get a discount off your insurance and rego???
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:Can you list those "failures" for us again? why repeat these things over and over again??? Oh that's right for the dummies who rate politicians on their instagram and tweeter posts..... I was asking because despite independent audits and investigations, there are many things that the ALP has done that have been soundly vindicated and proven to be successful that are still being labelled as failures by people that refuse to accept reality because of their strange ideology. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) propaganda and rhetoric.... No, we're not talking about the LNP just now. We're talking about Labor's alleged failures.
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batfink wrote:Joffa wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Libs are mad because that was revenue that they were banking on for their budgets.
They were never going to scrap it because Labour had already taken the heat/flak for it so it was just a matter of sitting back and blaming it on Labour while continuing to rake in the dollars.
Rofl.
-PB so your telling me the libs won't scrap the carbon tax?????? at the end of the day humans respond better to incentives and rewards than tax and penalties...... So instead of speeding fines....speeding bonuses, I like it. nice try...how about if you don't get booked for a certain period of time your license doesnt cost you anything or you get a discount off your insurance and rego??? How is removing revenue and increasing spending fiscally responsible?
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:Joffa wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Libs are mad because that was revenue that they were banking on for their budgets.
They were never going to scrap it because Labour had already taken the heat/flak for it so it was just a matter of sitting back and blaming it on Labour while continuing to rake in the dollars.
Rofl.
-PB so your telling me the libs won't scrap the carbon tax?????? at the end of the day humans respond better to incentives and rewards than tax and penalties...... So instead of speeding fines....speeding bonuses, I like it. nice try...how about if you don't get booked for a certain period of time your license doesnt cost you anything or you get a discount off your insurance and rego??? How is removing revenue and increasing spending fiscally responsible? there is no increase in spending???? yes there is a drop in revenue....but this would easily be offset with a reduction in compensation and associated cost's of deaths and injuries on the roads........not to mention having to place thousands upon thousands of speed cameras and highway patrol resources.....
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