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but hang on you and you're party deny the carbon tax was effecting the cost of living????



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this one is on asylum seekers...LOL

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A video from 2011 is relevant?...

-PB

Oh boy.

This is great :lol:

One thing K-Rudd has going for him is he's not afraid to show the public that's he's not some robot, and is a genuine person :lol:

he is different thats for sure

it is when you say one thing, then say another, then do neither.....

Rudd is a massive flake......no substance......Gillard was terrible but this prick takes the cake.....incompetent....

true story, the ALP have been banging on about the carbon tax would not effect the cost pf living....but it has been proven wrong again.....it's a fact....and been accepted and acknowledged on all sides of politics

So what Rudd did in 2011 matters, but Abbott's "do it with a simple tax" isn't?

:lol:

or that he is a massive pleb...more like it....

the thing here is all lefties use the argument "what would Abbott do" or but Abbott's no better"....how the fuck would you know, he has never been PM and quite frankly no one could do a worse job than the brainless incompetent morons attempting to run the show at the moment....KRUDD and this useless dysfunctional government has had 6 years to get things sorted and so far it's just a complete fucken mess.....

give fucken humphrey bear the gig he would shit it in compared to these morons.......

and as far as economists....predicting a 2% increase in house approvals but we get a 6% drop, no wonder the building and construction industry is on its knees......

Approvals for the construction of new homes have fallen for a second month in a row, an indication that the recovery in the housing construction sector is quite weak.
Total building approvals in June were down 6.9 per cent, seasonally adjusted.

Approvals for private sector houses fell for the first time in five months, down 1.2 per cent.

High density home approvals were down 12.6 per cent.

JP Morgan Australia chief economist Stephen Walters said the figures were soft.

"It's all the in the high density space," he said. "This is the very volatile category where we've seen big rises as recently as April and not much payback in May but we've gotten that in the June numbers."

The Reserve Bank of Australia cut the cash rate four times in 2012 and again in May, and Mr Walters said those reductions are offering some help to the building sector.

"Over the quarter, building approvals were up, so you could argue that perhaps there is a little bit of traction there from the policy stimulus the RBA has been delivering but it is clearly not enough," he said.

"It is a source of anxiety that we're not getting consistent lift here."

Mr Walters is confident the housing construction sector is recovering, it's just that there is no evidence of it from the June quarter building approvals figures.

CommSec economist Savanth Sebastian said the figures were not concerning, even if they sparked speculation about the state of the home building sector.

"It really is a volatile reading," he said.

"There certainly seems to be a lot of conjecture about how well the home building market is going.

"What it really highlights is we've got normal levels of building across the economy.

"It certainly does not mean the sector is collapsing."

Mr Sebastian said he did not believe poor building data was enough of a driver for the RBA to cut rates in August.

"The RBA will certainly be looking at the housing sector very closely, but I don't think these numbers will be the defining reason why the Reserve Bank cuts rates," he said.

However, he said low interest rates were already having a positive impact.

"It's still very early days for the sector, but I think the low interest environment is starting to provide a degree of support for the sector."

Isn't it the holy grail of campaign politics to be seen as one of the common people?

well what is a common person????? it's different in everybodies eye's...........

like here are some common people

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I think you can't fundamentally comprehend the way the carbon price worked, no matter how many times it is explained to you.

i understand completely.....but the fact remains that it has increased the cost of living, there is no compensation on every item effected by it....surely you can comprehend that??????

Edited by batfink: 30/7/2013 02:39:55 PM

secondly if it's to be wound back to an ETS you should be screaming blue murder because you have been betrayed......??!!??!!

the tax and the ETS will and have not reduced carbon released into the atmosphere....nil reduction

False.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/climate/emissions-drop-signals-fall-in-carbon-tax-take/story-e6frg6xf-1226559632995

And this is from The Australian, for fuck sake.

not false....this is a result of renewable energy that has been added to the grid over the past 10 years, it's not a direct result of the carbon tax.......

nice try bad sadly lacking in substance.....

and the point of order is that we are debating if the carbon tax has increased the cost of living which it has, the mere fact that some compensation in limited sectors was offered in itself is an admission, but the compensation does not cover the cost of living increases that have occurred across the board.....in almost every facet of life.....tell me Matt what sectors were compensation offered????

That's the first line. So you're saying that the Australia (one of the most notoriously pro-Liberal anti-Labor newspapers) is lying?

Look, I wont debate because I don't claim to know all the facts but I'd like some clarification.

The RBA's target range for CPI is between 2-3 per cent. Low enough to ensure affordability, high enough to ensure price rise at a sustainable rate to ensure business continues to have incentive.

The CPI is one of many measurements to calculate the cost of living, calculating the price rise of a particular basket of goods with weighting given to essential goods such as electricity and petrol.

Here are a few facts.

The GST was introduced in July 2000.
The initial impact on the CPI for the September quarter in 2000 saw headline inflation rise from 3.1 percent to 6.1 percent. That's double the highest end of the RBA's inflationary target.

The carbon price was introduced in July 2012
The initial impact on the CPI for the September quarter in 2012 saw headline inflation rise from 1.2 percent to 2 percent (and it currently lies at 2.4 percent). That's well within the RBA's inflationary target.

Again, like I said I don't know the full circumstance around the GST so I wont make a comment. But the figures do raise questions about who quite seriously has the right to say they will reduce cost of living pressures on families.

yes that's right it only quotes one sector not the entire country and every sector.....so it's cherry picked much.....and i don't think the Australian in right wing fully over the top....it might lean a little that way from time to time but nowhere near as biased as kerry O'brien and Q&A and Media watch.......

Wow.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/coalitions-tent-city-trip-funded-by-logistics-company-that-provides-tents-20130730-2qws3.html

wow....+1...bet you they still escape prosecution.......i like the possible criminal charges bit....FFS they get away with murder

Former Labor ministers corrupt: ICAC
11:09am July 31, 2013

Two former high-profile Labor MPs, Eddie Obeid and Ian Macdonald, have been found by the NSW ICAC to have acted corruptly and referred for possible criminal charges.

Following the largest corruption investigation in NSW history, the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) on Wednesday handed down three reports.
Commissioner David Ipp has recommended that Mr Obeid and Mr Macdonald be considered by the Department of Public Prosecution (DPP) for possible prosecution over their involvement in the Mount Penny coal mine.
Mr Obeids' son Moses, and businessmen Travers Duncan, John McGuigan, John Atkinson, John Kinghorn and Richard Poole were also found to have engaged in corrupt conduct.
Operation Jasper investigated reports that Mr Macdonald rigged a 2008 tender process to grant a coal licence over land at Mount Penny owned by the Obeid family.
It enabled the Obeids to make $30 million, with the prospect of earning at least $70 million more.
As part of the Indus investigation, ICAC found Mr Obeid's son, Moses, engaged in corrupt conduct over a $10,800 car for former Labor minister Eric Roozendaal.
The corruption watchdog investigated whether Mr Roozendaal received a new Honda CRV at $10,800 - less than its original value - in return for political favours for his colleague, Eddie Obeid.
The ICAC reports said that Moses Obeid "provided a benefit to Mr Roozendaal as an inducement for him to show favour to Obeid business interests in the exercise of his official functions".
Mr Roozendaal was not found to have acted corruptly.

I hope they lock away Obeid and throw away the key.

mac donald should go as well......NSW has been shackled with debt from this previous government and there are many other areas that corruption is rife.....

it's about time someone took a stance and made examples out of these grubs.....

you would have thought the Rex Jackson affair would have been enough to send a message but obviously there is to much at stake to worry about getting caught.....

I like it when you and I agree. :)

The man is just a preposterous human being. And yes I agree with Batfink, McDonald's got to go as well.

Edited by thupercoach: 31/7/2013 02:37:40 PM

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