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http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/austerity3a-the-history-of-a-dangerous-idea/4658124Quote:Austerity is the order of the day in Europe, but Professor Mark Blyth argues that austerity is a very dangerous idea and does not work. While it makes sense for any one state to try and cut its way to growth, it simply cannot work when all states try it simultaneously: all we do is shrink the economy.
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notorganic wrote:http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/austerity3a-the-history-of-a-dangerous-idea/4658124 Quote:Austerity is the order of the day in Europe, but Professor Mark Blyth argues that austerity is a very dangerous idea and does not work. While it makes sense for any one state to try and cut its way to growth, it simply cannot work when all states try it simultaneously: all we do is shrink the economy. The ABC taking a left wing view of things? Well I never.
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afromanGT
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thupercoach being dismissive of someone else's opinion based around seeing it as 'left wing'?
Well I never.
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The view of austerity not working is neither left nor right.
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afromanGT wrote:batfink on page 209 wrote:we are heading toward a recession again batfink on page 211 wrote:which recesssion????? How's that alzheimers working out for you buddy? no alzheimers buddy.......you made a statement......so which recession the one in the 90's or the one we have been in but due to a two speed economy technically the government can state that we are not in recession??????
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Joffa wrote:thupercoach wrote:afromanGT wrote:If you started a job selling chairs and averaged 10 chairs a week and set your KPI at 5 chairs a week and then told everyone you deserved a payrise they'd laugh at you. And had Rudd, Swann, Gillard or Keating had done that you'd be lauding them as economic geniuses. You question Keating's economic credibility? Seriously? yeah why not...
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Rudd coming to call the election apparently.
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batfink
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afromanGT wrote:thupercoach wrote:afromanGT wrote:If you started a job selling chairs and averaged 10 chairs a week and set your KPI at 5 chairs a week and then told everyone you deserved a payrise they'd laugh at you. And had Rudd, Swann, Gillard or Keating had done that you'd be lauding them as economic geniuses. Wut? how van anyone take you seriously when you can't even use correct grammar......](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/
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batfink
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afromanGT wrote:thupercoach being dismissive of someone else's opinion based around seeing it as 'left wing'?
Well I never. stones and glass houses much
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batfink
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macktheknife wrote:Rudd coming to call the election apparently. apparently all of his ministers are voting against him....#-o #-o #-o #-o #-o
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batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:thupercoach wrote:afromanGT wrote:If you started a job selling chairs and averaged 10 chairs a week and set your KPI at 5 chairs a week and then told everyone you deserved a payrise they'd laugh at you. And had Rudd, Swann, Gillard or Keating had done that you'd be lauding them as economic geniuses. Wut? how van anyone take you seriously when you can't even use correct grammar......](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ \:d/ I'm sorry, allow me to correct that: "This statement is so incredibly fucking stupid that I'm currently rendered unable to give any kind of intelligible response and so offer up this "wut" onomatopoeia to express my disdain for such incomprehensible stupidity."
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Good article that i think is worth the read. The murdoch press...particularly The Australian news paper..are the worst at seemingly wanting to only employ people to write for the paper who posses a similar centre-right view. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/murdochs-vicious-attacks-on-rudd-its-business-20130803-2r65x.htmlEDIT: Wow this has aleady been posted on this very page... Edited by Decazz: 4/8/2013 01:42:21 PM
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batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:batfink on page 209 wrote:we are heading toward a recession again batfink on page 211 wrote:which recesssion????? How's that alzheimers working out for you buddy? no alzheimers buddy.......you made a statement......so which recession the one in the 90's or the one we have been in but due to a two speed economy technically the government can state that we are not in recession?????? Yeah, which recession am I talking about? The one we just had which we've been talking about for the last 20 pages, or the one in the 90's, or the one in the 80's, or the one in the 70's, or the Great Depression? Which one do you fucking think you fucking dunce? Edited by afromanGT: 4/8/2013 01:44:58 PM
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Quote:So I think a good thing to discuss is, ignoring whether you agree with the policy or not, if Rudd's 'boat people' solution is going to gain or lose him votes. It doesn't matter if he loses votes from people shifting further left to the Greens. They'll preference Labor before Liberals, so apart from the handful of places where the Greens can win a HOR seat (and even then, the Greens will never ever ever put Abbott into the Lodge), he could care less about left wingers shifting from Labor to Greens. His boat people policy is to 1) Neutralise it as an election issue 2) Help win voters off the Liberal party.
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macktheknife wrote:Quote:So I think a good thing to discuss is, ignoring whether you agree with the policy or not, if Rudd's 'boat people' solution is going to gain or lose him votes. It doesn't matter if he loses votes from people shifting further left to the Greens. They'll preference Labor before Liberals, so apart from the handful of places where the Greens can win a HOR seat (and even then, the Greens will never ever ever put Abbott into the Lodge), he could care less about left wingers shifting from Labor to Greens. His boat people policy is to 1) Neutralise it as an election issue 2) Help win voters off the Liberal party. This.
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afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:batfink on page 209 wrote:we are heading toward a recession again batfink on page 211 wrote:which recesssion????? How's that alzheimers working out for you buddy? no alzheimers buddy.......you made a statement......so which recession the one in the 90's or the one we have been in but due to a two speed economy technically the government can state that we are not in recession?????? Yeah, which recession am I talking about? The one we just had which we've been talking about for the last 20 pages, or the one in the 90's, or the one in the 80's, or the one in the 70's, or the Great Depression? Which one do you fucking think you fucking dunce? Edited by afromanGT: 4/8/2013 01:44:58 PM well it's strange that now you admit that we had a recession......for the past 20 pages you have been telling us how fucking amazing our economy is....and what a great job the fucken dunces who are currently trying the Govern this country are doing....... you aren't bi-polar or schizophrenic are you????? better ease up on the cones paranoia is setting in..!!
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RedKat wrote:So I think a good thing to discuss is, ignoring whether you agree with the policy or not, if Rudd's 'boat people' solution is going to gain or lose him votes.
Id imagine that the more right wing people the policy is aimed at are probably too right wing to vote Labor anyway where as many Labor or left wing voters would feel a bit deserted by Labor and rather vote Greens. So overall it would do more harm than good.
I know theres a fair few on here that would normally vote Labor so how has it affected who you plan to vote for? to be honest i think it will win him votes.....it's a lose lose policy for the country and the Asylum seekers...................
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macktheknife wrote:Quote:So I think a good thing to discuss is, ignoring whether you agree with the policy or not, if Rudd's 'boat people' solution is going to gain or lose him votes. It doesn't matter if he loses votes from people shifting further left to the Greens. They'll preference Labor before Liberals, so apart from the handful of places where the Greens can win a HOR seat (and even then, the Greens will never ever ever put Abbott into the Lodge), he could care less about left wingers shifting from Labor to Greens. His boat people policy is to 1) Neutralise it as an election issue 2) Help win voters off the Liberal party. didn't labor decide to put the greens last on preferences????
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RedKat wrote:macktheknife wrote:Quote:So I think a good thing to discuss is, ignoring whether you agree with the policy or not, if Rudd's 'boat people' solution is going to gain or lose him votes. It doesn't matter if he loses votes from people shifting further left to the Greens. They'll preference Labor before Liberals, so apart from the handful of places where the Greens can win a HOR seat (and even then, the Greens will never ever ever put Abbott into the Lodge), he could care less about left wingers shifting from Labor to Greens. His boat people policy is to 1) Neutralise it as an election issue 2) Help win voters off the Liberal party. Thats a fair point. My only problem with that is Rudd would hate to have to rely on Greens for power. He'll know how the Greens fucked Gillard. He'll probably have a better understanding than most of the concessions Labor have had to make to get Greens support. He definitely wont want to govern like that. sorry to be a party pooper....he has had his chance and fucked it up so bad that his own party kicked him out and replaced him....then here he is second time around and doing just as bad a job......when will sanity prevail and people wake up the the complete joke that is the ALP ..........
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batfink wrote:RedKat wrote:macktheknife wrote:Quote:So I think a good thing to discuss is, ignoring whether you agree with the policy or not, if Rudd's 'boat people' solution is going to gain or lose him votes. It doesn't matter if he loses votes from people shifting further left to the Greens. They'll preference Labor before Liberals, so apart from the handful of places where the Greens can win a HOR seat (and even then, the Greens will never ever ever put Abbott into the Lodge), he could care less about left wingers shifting from Labor to Greens. His boat people policy is to 1) Neutralise it as an election issue 2) Help win voters off the Liberal party. Thats a fair point. My only problem with that is Rudd would hate to have to rely on Greens for power. He'll know how the Greens fucked Gillard. He'll probably have a better understanding than most of the concessions Labor have had to make to get Greens support. He definitely wont want to govern like that. sorry to be a party pooper....he has had his chance and fucked it up so bad that his own party kicked him out and replaced him....then here he is second time around and doing just as bad a job......when will sanity prevail and people wake up the the complete joke that is the ALP .......... If Turnbull replaces Abbot, I'd be inclined to vote for them. Until then, I'd still vote Labor.
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batfink wrote:macktheknife wrote:Quote:So I think a good thing to discuss is, ignoring whether you agree with the policy or not, if Rudd's 'boat people' solution is going to gain or lose him votes. It doesn't matter if he loses votes from people shifting further left to the Greens. They'll preference Labor before Liberals, so apart from the handful of places where the Greens can win a HOR seat (and even then, the Greens will never ever ever put Abbott into the Lodge), he could care less about left wingers shifting from Labor to Greens. His boat people policy is to 1) Neutralise it as an election issue 2) Help win voters off the Liberal party. didn't labor decide to put the greens last on preferences???? Someone who votes for Labor or Liberals party as #1 won't matter what their preferences are (except for the few seats Greens could win).
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433 wrote:batfink wrote:RedKat wrote:macktheknife wrote:Quote:So I think a good thing to discuss is, ignoring whether you agree with the policy or not, if Rudd's 'boat people' solution is going to gain or lose him votes. It doesn't matter if he loses votes from people shifting further left to the Greens. They'll preference Labor before Liberals, so apart from the handful of places where the Greens can win a HOR seat (and even then, the Greens will never ever ever put Abbott into the Lodge), he could care less about left wingers shifting from Labor to Greens. His boat people policy is to 1) Neutralise it as an election issue 2) Help win voters off the Liberal party. Thats a fair point. My only problem with that is Rudd would hate to have to rely on Greens for power. He'll know how the Greens fucked Gillard. He'll probably have a better understanding than most of the concessions Labor have had to make to get Greens support. He definitely wont want to govern like that. sorry to be a party pooper....he has had his chance and fucked it up so bad that his own party kicked him out and replaced him....then here he is second time around and doing just as bad a job......when will sanity prevail and people wake up the the complete joke that is the ALP .......... If Turnbull replaces Abbot, I'd be inclined to vote for them. Until then, I'd still vote Labor. I've seen enough from Turnbull over the past year to make the conclusion that I wouldn't vote Lib even if he was the leader.
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And there are still people who claim the Terrorgraph isn't biased and mega right wing :lol: Just a shame there isn't anyone out there with the balls to do anything with this embarassment of a "newspaper"  Edited by sydneycroatia58: 4/8/2013 11:07:48 PM
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Inb4 Batfink defending it
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That front page is a joke, right? There's no way they're legitimately running that. Like, not even party-owned newspapers in other countries would be that bold/aggressive. batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:batfink on page 209 wrote:we are heading toward a recession again batfink on page 211 wrote:which recesssion????? How's that alzheimers working out for you buddy? no alzheimers buddy.......you made a statement......so which recession the one in the 90's or the one we have been in but due to a two speed economy technically the government can state that we are not in recession?????? Yeah, which recession am I talking about? The one we just had which we've been talking about for the last 20 pages, or the one in the 90's, or the one in the 80's, or the one in the 70's, or the Great Depression? Which one do you fucking think you fucking dunce? Edited by afromanGT: 4/8/2013 01:44:58 PM well it's strange that now you admit that we had a recession......for the past 20 pages you have been telling us how fucking amazing our economy is....and what a great job the fucken dunces who are currently trying the Govern this country are doing....... you aren't bi-polar or schizophrenic are you????? better ease up on the cones paranoia is setting in..!! ok, so here's a couple of mind blowing concepts for you: 1) I never denied the event of a recession. It's a part of the natural ebb and flow of the global econony. An economic genius such as yourself would be well aware of that. Y'know, instead of portraying it like some kind of fiscal domesday 2) You can survive a recession and have a conparatively strong and functional economy. 3) Just because our economy has its pitfalls and struggles neither means it's doomed nor that we aren't in a strong position in relation to other economies. revolutionary concepts, I know. But I have faith you'll be able to get your head around them.
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433 wrote:Inb4 Batfink defending it not a fan of the Telegraph.......they say to win people over you have to appeal to the lowest common denominator.....the police do this in riot and crowd control.....
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notorganic wrote:433 wrote:batfink wrote:RedKat wrote:macktheknife wrote:Quote:So I think a good thing to discuss is, ignoring whether you agree with the policy or not, if Rudd's 'boat people' solution is going to gain or lose him votes. It doesn't matter if he loses votes from people shifting further left to the Greens. They'll preference Labor before Liberals, so apart from the handful of places where the Greens can win a HOR seat (and even then, the Greens will never ever ever put Abbott into the Lodge), he could care less about left wingers shifting from Labor to Greens. His boat people policy is to 1) Neutralise it as an election issue 2) Help win voters off the Liberal party. Thats a fair point. My only problem with that is Rudd would hate to have to rely on Greens for power. He'll know how the Greens fucked Gillard. He'll probably have a better understanding than most of the concessions Labor have had to make to get Greens support. He definitely wont want to govern like that. sorry to be a party pooper....he has had his chance and fucked it up so bad that his own party kicked him out and replaced him....then here he is second time around and doing just as bad a job......when will sanity prevail and people wake up the the complete joke that is the ALP .......... If Turnbull replaces Abbot, I'd be inclined to vote for them. Until then, I'd still vote Labor. I've seen enough from Turnbull over the past year to make the conclusion that I wouldn't vote Lib even if he was the leader. Matt do you think that is because Turnbull is gagged and doesn't agree with Abbott on many policy items......????? I do, i think you would see a very Different Turnbull if he was Party leader, possibly he is waiting for that to occur before showing his hand and being seen as a de satbilising element??
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macktheknife wrote:batfink wrote:macktheknife wrote:Quote:So I think a good thing to discuss is, ignoring whether you agree with the policy or not, if Rudd's 'boat people' solution is going to gain or lose him votes. It doesn't matter if he loses votes from people shifting further left to the Greens. They'll preference Labor before Liberals, so apart from the handful of places where the Greens can win a HOR seat (and even then, the Greens will never ever ever put Abbott into the Lodge), he could care less about left wingers shifting from Labor to Greens. His boat people policy is to 1) Neutralise it as an election issue 2) Help win voters off the Liberal party. didn't labor decide to put the greens last on preferences???? yes...fair call Someone who votes for Labor or Liberals party as #1 won't matter what their preferences are (except for the few seats Greens could win).
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afromanGT wrote:That front page is a joke, right? There's no way they're legitimately running that. Like, not even party-owned newspapers in other countries would be that bold/aggressive. batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:batfink on page 209 wrote:we are heading toward a recession again batfink on page 211 wrote:which recesssion????? How's that alzheimers working out for you buddy? no alzheimers buddy.......you made a statement......so which recession the one in the 90's or the one we have been in but due to a two speed economy technically the government can state that we are not in recession?????? Yeah, which recession am I talking about? The one we just had which we've been talking about for the last 20 pages, or the one in the 90's, or the one in the 80's, or the one in the 70's, or the Great Depression? Which one do you fucking think you fucking dunce? Edited by afromanGT: 4/8/2013 01:44:58 PM well it's strange that now you admit that we had a recession......for the past 20 pages you have been telling us how fucking amazing our economy is....and what a great job the fucken dunces who are currently trying the Govern this country are doing....... you aren't bi-polar or schizophrenic are you????? better ease up on the cones paranoia is setting in..!! ok, so here's a couple of mind blowing concepts for you: 1) I never denied the event of a recession. It's a part of the natural ebb and flow of the global econony. An economic genius such as yourself would be well aware of that. Y'know, instead of portraying it like some kind of fiscal domesday 2) You can survive a recession and have a conparatively strong and functional economy. 3) Just because our economy has its pitfalls and struggles neither means it's doomed nor that we aren't in a strong position in relation to other economies. revolutionary concepts, I know. But I have faith you'll be able to get your head around them. humble reply........;) ;) thanks for your support...:cool:
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