God help them, they allowed two people of different opinions to speak without being shouted over! I completely agree with your original post. Two adults providing civil opinions on a serious matter.

I think if there is any criticism here, it's that Coopers should not be getting involved in serious political matters because this reaction was always going to happen. You know shit is going to hit the fan no matter where you stand when it comes to this topic. It seems you cannot even have an impartial opinion without offending the pro-gay marriage types. FWIW I fully support gay marriage. However, I do not support the ferals who act like petulant kids and scream down any opposition to their views.

Everything is reactionary, innit

My main question here with the Redlow thing is do they NEED to produce it as quickly as Tesla have quoted? If they took twice as long but had a better/cheaper/whatever product would it be worth it? I say very possibly. This 100 day thing, it's just pure hypetrain to me. Do it smart, and right, rather than rushed.

Yeah, I'm sure the feeling in SA is that people just want a stable power grid, can't blame them either.

It's like we hear about you at least once a week with issues.

Has made other states wake up to EMO issues as well which is a good think, shame it took another state to get so bad to make them realise.

-PB

Great posting Muz regarding Coopers. Good read.

I agree with you. Coopers did nothing wrong and didn't owe anyone an apology.

What they did "wrong" was they sponsored a video with a political debate in it. That opens them up to criticism.

In my opinion, well at least in this case, the "hypersensitivity" comes from frustration of a government not listening to the people. Polls consistently report strong support for marriage equality and it would have been done and dusted ages ago if the government put a bill up and left it to a conscience vote.

No one was offended. People decided that a company's political view point disagreed with theirs and they weren't going to purchase their product. Completely legitimate.

The hysterics are coming from people criticising it.

I still don't understand what Coopers actually did that was wrong.  They donated money to the Bible Society and the Liberal Party.  It's not like their company website sprouts hate against Jews and black people.

I think this 'protest' is symptomatic of the hyper sensitivity that abounds in Australia at the moment and it need s to stop or no one will be game to saying anything in the future.  

Coopers were basically cyber bullied into acquiescence.  Are those people proud of themselves?

People need to calm the hell down.  Whatever happened to saying 'look I don't agree with your view on XYZ but I can't see why we still can't be friends'.   

I'm with you.  It's the kick up the arse Australia needed.  Let's hope it's actually more than words this time.

You know why they don't? They probably don't have an issue with islam but even more so because they'd lose a lot more money by pulling their certification. Economics my friend.

People are tolerating it. They aren't asking for Coopers execs to go to jail or anything. People chose to not purchase their products and were telling people about their decision not to. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Yes I know Tesla won't be the only ones tendering, this is a good thing.

I agree it's sad, however it was even sadder that SA was getting wedged by the Libs and their media lackies about the issue. Some one with the profile of Elon Musk has completely reframed the discussion and this can only be a good thing for all these startups here in Australia.

I'd understand the protest more if Coopers took out a full page ad in the newspaper or ran an ad at night or put a giant billboard up on the side of the highway that said "we're against marriage equality" but all they did was sell beer to 2 blokes airing 2 sides of an issue.  (And according to the Bible Society mob Coopers didn't even know they were going to do it.)

You're looking for offence where none was offered.  (As are the other squawkers.)

I did read your post.  You said there isn't a lot of competition.  On RN and Newsradio today they spoke to Australian companies lining up to quote.  (For a cheaper price and roughly the same timeline too.)

Gas plant is only one part of the solution. You can read more about it here http://ourenergyplan.sa.gov.au/

I feel part of this is a ploy to allow more fracking in SA but apart from that it's a brilliant plan IMO.

I don't know if it'd break any rules but pursuing that would not be popular at all here gauging from the reaction of people I know of a variety of political backgrounds.

We'll have to agree to disagree.  The Halal idiots are ridiculous but by the same token I don't see Vegemite apologising to them for religiously certifying their own product.

The irony is those that squeal the loudest for tolerance are the least tolerant of all.

Did you even read my post? IMO pretty much what you criticize Beth for.

It's going out to tender for that exact reason. Personally I'd like to see Redflow to win the contract but they themselves have admitted that they're not capable of producing batteries as quickly as Tesla I think you'll find that they're not Robinson Crusoe in Australia. Maybe if we had a functioning ETS that could generate revenue to invest in these Australian companies they could have been better placed...

I see no issue with political activism. People feel strongly about an issue they're entitled to express it. If a company chooses to listen to them, that's their choice.

If you want (or Hanson-ites) want to be "triggered" by it and vote for a simpleton so be it.

On the flipside, the anti-halal people are more than entitled to not purchase products that don't fit their values. I'll call them idiots and that is my right.

Thought Jay had already decided on a gas plant?

From the sounds of it Turnbull and Co are looking into weather or not it's even legal to disrupt the energy market operator like that.

Could see challenges against it as it is.

-PB

The sad thing about this is that there's at least half a dozen Australian companies that can do exactly what Musk is proposing but of course they're ignored until some billionaire tweets another billionaire about it.

They can do whatever the fuck they want but the screaming, wailing and gnashing of teeth is more tiresome than any statement I make.

It's madness.  Can you not see it's people like this that cause people to get pissed at the establishment and then vote for your Trump and Hanson types.

It's blokes like you, and these screaming SJW's, that are responsible for the rise of the Looney left and the Far right.  Can you not see that?

Instead of Coopers standing their ground all they've done by capitulating is embolden the next bunch of squawking idiots to take their hashtag activism to the next 'issue' of the day. 

They're putting a tender out. I'm not an expert in this area obviously but from my understanding there isn't a lot of competition that can output the capacity that Tesla can at the speed and price so it's bound to be a strong contender.

Adani's planned Carmichael coal mine to shift millions to Cayman Islands controlled company

Exclusive by Stephen LongUpdated earlier today at 7:35amPHOTO: The shell company's payment rights over the Carmichael coal mine could see it receive about $120 million per annum. (ABC News)RELATED STORY: Adani director appointed to body overseeing mining giant's coal portRELATED STORY: Reef authority warns of widespread coral bleaching again this yearRELATED STORY: Indigenous council calls for Adam Bandt not to use Native Title Act in Adani debateRELATED STORY: Agency assessing $1b Adani loan blocks FOI request for board meeting timesMAP: Bowen 4805Up to $3 billion from Adani's planned Carmichael coal mine will be shifted to a subsidiary owned in the Cayman Islands if the controversial project goes ahead, an analysis of company filings shows.

Key points:

• 'Royalty deed' gives shell company rights to recieve $2-a-tonne payment beyond first 400K tonnes mined for two decades
• Entitlement owned by company registered in Cayman Islands, controlled by Adani family
• Carmichael coal mine's production capacity means payment ammounts to about $120 million per year

An "overarching royalty deed" gives a shell company rights to receive a $2-a-tonne payment, rising yearly by the inflation rate, beyond the first 400,000 tonnes mined in each production year for two decades.The company with this entitlement is ultimately owned by Atulya Resources Limited, a secretive entity registered in the Cayman Islands, and controlled by the Adani family."In plain English, the upshot for the Adani family is [that] if the mine goes ahead, they receive a $2-a-tonne payment, so up to $3 billion, via a Cayman Islands company, a company owned in a tax haven," says Adam Walters, principal researcher and Energy Resource Insights.With a production capacity of 60 million tonnes or more a year, that amounts to about $120 million per annum in payments, increasing each year in line with the CPI, potentially flowing offshore."I would describe it as a structure that means that the Adani family enriches themselves if the mine goes ahead but that other shareholders are impoverished," associate professor Thomas Clarke, director of the Centre for Corporate Governance at UTS told the ABC."The worry is that this may be just the beginning.

"That the Adani family have the ability to shift cash and assets around at will and in the future they may well do so at the cost of shareholders and the Queensland economy."

He said the billions flowing to the Adani private company would come at the expense of minority shareholders in the company listed on the Bombay stock exchange which ultimately owns the Carmichael mine.Media player: "Space" to play, "M" to mute, "left" and "right" to seek.VIDEO: Giant Indian conglomerate Adani has a complex network of companies ultimately owned in the Cayman Islands(ABC News)How Adani acquired the right to this multi-billion-dollar revenue stream is a tale in itself.In 2010, Adani Mining Pty Ltd bought the coal tenement that is set to become the Carmichael mine from the now defunct Linc Energy.Part of the sale involved Adani Mining giving Linc Energy an "overriding royalty deed" which entitled it to receive $2-a-tonne for all coal mined beyond the first 400,000 tonnes in any production year.Linc Energy informed investors at the time could be worth "over $120 million per annum" and up to $3 billion over the course of the royalty right.But in August 2014, in dire financial straits, Linc Energy agreed to sell the royalty deed back to Adani at a fire sale price: just $150 million.The obvious course would have been to extinguish the royalty deed, because it represented a multi-billion-dollar liability for the mine which is ultimately owned by Adani Enterprises Ltd, the Bombay-stock exchange listed company.Instead, the royalty deed "was assigned by Linc Energy Limited to Carmichael Rail Network Pty Ltd as trustee for Carmichael Rail Network Trust," notes in financial reports of Adani Mining Pty Ltd say.Carmichael Rail Network is one of a group of companies behind the proposed North Galilee Basin rail line, which Adani is currently seeking a subsidised loan of up to $1 billion from the Federal Government's Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility to build."What this means is that one of the companies currently seeking up to $1 billion in public subsidy is going to profit to the tune of up to $3 billion if the mine goes ahead," Mr Walters said.PHOTO: The Queensland Government insists Adani's arrangement is perfectly legal. (AAP)Adani Mining Pty Ltd, the proponent of the Carmichael mine and the holder of its environmental approvals, appears to have lent Carmichael Rail the funds to buy the royalty deed.A spokesman for the Adani Group said the subsidiary assigned to the royalty right was an Australian registered and regulated company and "as such it pays all applicable Australian taxes charges".Last year Resources Minister Matt Canavan dismissed the ABC's investigation into Adani's web of companies leading to tax havens as "fake news".He rejected concerns about the web of companies and trusts, many owned in tax havens, that Adani had set up for its Australian operations, says resources companies such as Rio Tinto and BHP also had complex company structures.Dr Clarke said that is nonsense."This is a classic third-world pyramid structure, with the Adani family having a controlling interest in all of the different companies, publicly listed, privately listed and the offshore companies which are its private properties," he told the ABC."It can freely move cash or assets between the different entities to the benefit of its own family interests."But according to the Minister, the advice from his department is that it is all perfectly legal.Adani's spokesman did not respond to a series of questions.



-PB

See above.

People are entitled to boycott a product if they feel the company's values don't align with theirs. Politicising an issue like this opened them to criticism and they copped it.

This "SJW gone mad" bullshit is tiresome.

Absolutely ridiculous situation.  No way should they have apologised.  I'm a 7th dan atheist and I still think this is idiotic.  Just because someone holds an opinion that doesn't align with yours doesn't mean you should scream, wail, stamp your feet and pout like spoilt brats until you get your own way.  

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE.

The discussion was a civilised airing of differing opinions between 2 blokes.  It's how debate should be conducted.

I'm over all this faux, confected outrage all of the time.

Poor bloody Coopers.  They've been pilloried from pillar to post and they've actually done nothing wrong except somehow been complicit in 2 blokes have a respectful disagreement.

Where's the mass protests against Sanitarium, the makers of weet-bix, for being Seventh Day Adventists who no doubt hold the same, and probably more, conservative opinions than Coopers.

The whole thing is SJW's gone mad. 

These paragons of virtue who call for tolerance and understanding for any lefty garbage that makes the pages of the Socialist Alternative are the first to squeal like stuck pigs if someone so much as strays from the song sheet one dot.  

It's rubbish like this that got that idiot Trump elected. and why Hanson is so popular. People are over it.

In SA?

Shame the SA Government didn't take him up on his offer.
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-PB

What exactly is the point of a boycott here? 

I reckon the federal LNP are a decent chance of fucking up the state Lib's chances of winning the unloseable election again.

They've apologised. Money motivated I'm sure but it's a good outcome. Also shows that boycotts really do work.

Liberal MPs in marriage equality debate sponsored by Coopers beer, Bible Society

 

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Two colleagues debating marriage equality over a couple of beers is not unusual. Throw in a Bible, TV camera and a parliamentary lawn, and things start getting a little, well, strange. Federal Liberal MPs Tim Wilson and Andrew Hastie are the unlikely stars of a debate sponsored by the Bible Society of Australia and Coopers Brewery.

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Pubs boycott Coopers 'Bible' beer

Some hotels have stopped serving Coopers beer after they produced 10,000 commemorative light beers to celebrate 200 years of the Australian Bible Society.The moderated debate was shot in the grounds of Canberra's Parliament House, and shows Mr Wilson, an openly gay agnostic, and Mr Hastie, a Christian conservative, debating marriage equality while drinking Coopers Premium Light beer.Titled "Keeping it Light", the video is part of a  joint campaign between the Adelaide brewer and Bible Society Australia "to reach even more Australians with God's word".

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"Australia's national conversation has become fraught with shallowness and contempt for those who have a differing opinion," states the campaign's website."To speak into this, Bible Society Australia has teamed up with Coopers Premium Light to ask Australians to try 'Keeping it Light' - a creative campaign to reach even more Australians with God's word - and this time we're doing so in a rather unexpected way."Touted as the first in a series, Mr Hastie and Mr Wilson discuss the merits of marriage equality in a debate interlaced with shots of Coopers beers on the table in front of them.At one point, Mr Hastie says Australians need to "tread lightly" on the issue, and the camera cuts to a lingering close up of his beer.

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At the end of the debate, the men 'cheers' each other and smile uncomfortably as host Matt Andrews thanks Coopers.While the video is meant to be light-hearted, with Mr Hastie and Mr Wilson joking about the Bible's message of loving thy neighbour, it is unusual to see MPs promote a cause with such a heavy commercial influence.

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But neither of the men appeared to be concerned when contacted by Fairfax Media."I don't relive history, I move on," Mr Wilson, MP for the Melbourne seat of Goldstein said, adding he hadn't watched the video filmed a month ago.When asked if he knew beer would appear so heavily in the video, Mr Wilson said: "I don't know or care.""My preferred beer is a Mornington Peninsula [Brewery] Pale Ale so I would rather that."Mr Hastie, who represents the WA seat of Canning, was equally unconcerned, saying he had "no issue" with the video and highlighted the tradition of brewing in the evangelical movement."The only issue I have is that it was light beer and not a Thorny Devil from Canning," the former SAS soldier said."Let's not forget that Arthur Guinness, the famous brewer who started the Guiness Corporation, was an evangelical Christian who was converted to preaching by [Methodism founder] John Wesley.""Ultimately the video was about disagreeing in a civil and respectful way. I thought this showed it could be done."The campaign website claims the men were able to enjoy their debate "because there was both a Bible and good beer on the table".The partnership between the brewer and Christian non-profit organisation coincides with Bible Society Australia's 200th birthday.Coopers has produced 10,000 cases of beer printed with Bible verses as part of the deal.Tim Cooper, a fifth-generation Cooper and managing director of the company, said both brewing and the Bible boasted long histories."Part and parcel of doing a good job is reflecting on the gifts that we have and using them to God's best purpose," he said.



What in the fuck rofl?

-PB