The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


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Heineken wrote:
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"That is not a Chipolata".
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Heineken wrote:
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Mmmm Smells like....chicken
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Heineken wrote:
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Tony made me do it, I swear!
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Heineken wrote:
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Okay, where's the cheese?
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Heineken wrote:
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mmmmmmm . honey nuts
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Heineken wrote:
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So you're Kevin Rudd, my names Batfink, oh yes it is!
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Joffa wrote:
Heineken wrote:
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So you're Kevin Rudd, my names Batfink, oh yes it is!

/thread
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Joffa wrote:
Heineken wrote:
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So you're Kevin Rudd, my names Batfink, oh yes it is!

=d> =d> =d> =d> =d>
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afromanGT wrote:
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If there is such a debt emergency, why are the Liberals planning on cutting any taxes? Shouldn't they be increasing them across the board?


raising taxes is counter productive

How? The government and opposition have both acknowledged that they need to increase tax revenue.



well that's a broad statement....you can increase personal, company,FBT stamp duties,ETC by stimulation business.......get the 2 million businesses that are hurting at the moment and get them back to where they were 4 years ago and tax revenues will jump for sure....more people PERMANENTLY employed, prior to the GFC i had 38 people on the books and was turning over
$6 million........now we have just reduced AGAIN...from 18 down to 14...really hard decisions to make but completely necessary.....we are down on turnover to $2.4 million......so it's easy to see where the tax revenue is failing......

You know that could just be a flow-on effect from the fact that Australia has an insanely high cost of living and therefore can't afford things like they used to pre-GFC.

If you cut taxes then you're either going to increase deficit (which you're bashing labor for), slash spending (which will kill the economy), or you could do what Rudd did and hand out rebates to stimulate the businesses (but you bashed him for doing that as well).

So pick your poison, what have you been full of shit about?


If you raise taxes that will shrink productivity, kill jobs, slow the economy and generate less revenue. As unemployment is increasing if you raise taxes that means business will be able to employ fewer people and foster less job creation, which means whatever extra revenue generated by raising taxes will just go towards increased welfare expenditure.

Australia already has a high corporate tax rate, "socialist" countries like Sweden, Denmark have a much lower tax rate than we do, their tax system encourages businesses to hire people and people to start businesses. Ours, well Labors, just means you take on substantially more risk without much extra reward, increasing tax rates will just encourage people to seek jobs that don't exist, rather than encouraging entrepreneurship and innovation.

You don't stimulate the economy by raising taxes and spending money you don't have. You stimulate the economy by encouraging people to start businesses, which creates jobs, which puts unproductive people to productive work, gets more people off welfare and into jobs. You might might not be obtaining as much tax as you could from some individuals but you have more people working, more people paying taxes, and therefore more revenue flowing in, and incidentally less people on welfare so you're generating savings there which can be spent on things rather than borrowing beyond your means all the time.

It rewards effort rather than sloth, basically the economic health of a country depends on people being in work rather how much tax they pay and how much the government wastes on worthless programs. Raising taxes is basically what you do when you've spent beyond your means, all your shitty economic policies have failed and you're all out of ideas. It's the defeatist policy which creates a sour economic mood and deflates the human appetite to be productive and useful.


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rusty wrote:
If you raise taxes that will shrink productivity, kill jobs, slow the economy and generate less revenue. As unemployment is increasing if you raise taxes that means business will be able to employ fewer people and foster less job creation, which means whatever extra revenue generated by raising taxes will just go towards increased welfare expenditure.

Australia already has a high corporate tax rate, "socialist" countries like Sweden, Denmark have a much lower tax rate than we do, their tax system encourages businesses to hire people and people to start businesses. Ours, well Labors, just means you take on substantially more risk without much extra reward, increasing tax rates will just encourage people to seek jobs that don't exist, rather than encouraging entrepreneurship and innovation.

You don't stimulate the economy by raising taxes and spending money you don't have. You stimulate the economy by encouraging people to start businesses, which creates jobs, which puts unproductive people to productive work, gets more people off welfare and into jobs. You might might not be obtaining as much tax as you could from some individuals but you have more people working, more people paying taxes, and therefore more revenue flowing in, and incidentally less people on welfare so you're generating savings there which can be spent on things rather than borrowing beyond your means all the time.

It rewards effort rather than sloth, basically the economic health of a country depends on people being in work rather how much tax they pay and how much the government wastes on worthless programs. Raising taxes is basically what you do when you've spent beyond your means, all your shitty economic policies have failed and you're all out of ideas. It's the defeatist policy which creates a sour economic mood and deflates the human appetite to be productive and useful.


Who said you raise taxes?
You cut retail taxes on alcohol to stop people from pre-drinking before they go out (and thus they're less drunk in nightclubs, there are less fights and less issues). You'll also have higher tax income from individual beverage sales instead of kids buying bulk goon bags.

You implement a stronger tax on bank profits, and pass laws tying their interest rate movements to the RBA's interest rate fluctuations, thus better controlling bank ethics and stopping banks profiting so viciously from working families.

You encourage companies with rebates for investing in indigenous firms in rural areas like the NT and NQ to encourage companies to invest in local infrastructure, thus saving you billions of dollars in tax dollars from maintaining local infrastructure, welfare and government supported healthcare, not to mention increased income taxes.

You invest in expediting refugee applications, thus no longer having to piss up a rope shipping asylum seekers around the south pacific and accommodating them. Also invest in training them in rural jobs and development, bringing more income tax and helping build up rural areas.

You legalise gay marriage, reinvigorating the whole marriage industry (there's a LOT of money to be made out of weddings, especially out of stereotypical gay men). More tax dollars.
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Farrrkkk just watched the Gruen Nation on iView, some quality discussion in there.

-PB

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Farrrkkk just watched the Gruen Nation on iView, some quality discussion in there.

-PB

Wil Anderson back to his best.
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afromanGT wrote:
Heineken wrote:
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Kevin Rudd testing Customs' new Bullshit Detecting dogs.
"There must be a ball in here somewhere"...
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Opposition Leader Tony Abbott remains tight-lipped on policy costings in 7.30 interview

by: Lanai Scarr and Lauren Novak
From: News Limited Network August 15, 2013

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott told the 7.30 program's Leigh Sale he would not reveal the Coalition's full costings until the final week of the campaign.
TONY Abbott has confirmed that the Coalition's full policy costings won't be released until the last week of the election campaign.

Mr Abbott said that he would still be releasing policies right up until the week of the September 7 poll and only after all the detail was out there would it be revealed how they would be paid for.

"Every policy that we put out will be costed and funded," Mr Abbott told the ABC's 7.30 program.

"We intend to keep putting out policies right up until last week of the campaign.

"When all our policies are out there we will be able to tell you exactly how much we will spend."

Mr Abbott has come under fire from the government, who say he is staring down the barrel of a $70 billion revenue shortfall.

But Mr Abbott says that figure is a lie.

The interview between Mr Abbott and 7.30 host Leigh Sales was relatively positive considering their previous encounters have not been so nice.

It was Mr Abbott's first interview on the program of the election campaign after Kevin Rudd fronted the program last Wednesday.

The last time Mr Abbott faced off with Sales was in April this year. He has had numerous contentious interviews with her including a notorious one in which he admitted he hadn't read a BHP statement on the stalling of its Olympic Dam project despite trying to talk with authority about the issue.



Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/opposition-leader-tony-abbott-remains-tightlipped-on-policy-costings-in-730-interview/story-fnho52ip-1226698037619#ixzz2c2am2yKk
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Joffa wrote:
Heineken wrote:
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So you're Kevin Rudd, my names Batfink, oh yes it is!

=d> =d> =d> =d> =d>

=d> =d> =d> =d> =d> =d>
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afromanGT wrote:
Who said you raise taxes?
You cut retail taxes on alcohol to stop people from pre-drinking before they go out (and thus they're less drunk in nightclubs, there are less fights and less issues). You'll also have higher tax income from individual beverage sales instead of kids buying bulk goon bags.

You implement a stronger tax on bank profits, and pass laws tying their interest rate movements to the RBA's interest rate fluctuations, thus better controlling bank ethics and stopping banks profiting so viciously from working families.

You encourage companies with rebates for investing in indigenous firms in rural areas like the NT and NQ to encourage companies to invest in local infrastructure, thus saving you billions of dollars in tax dollars from maintaining local infrastructure, welfare and government supported healthcare, not to mention increased income taxes.

You invest in expediting refugee applications, thus no longer having to piss up a rope shipping asylum seekers around the south pacific and accommodating them. Also invest in training them in rural jobs and development, bringing more income tax and helping build up rural areas.

You legalise gay marriage, reinvigorating the whole marriage industry (there's a LOT of money to be made out of weddings, especially out of stereotypical gay men). More tax dollars.


Lolz. Legalising gay marriage wont "reinvigorate" the industry, it won't do anything. In Netherlands just 2% of marriages are gay marriages, in fact the overall marriage rate is in decline. When you piss on traditions such as marriage people care less. Anyway people should be spending their money on things other than plastic weddings.

"Investing" in expediting refugee applications? What crazy nonsnese. You will just encourage more and more to take the dangerous boat journey, more sinkings at sea, more Navy rescue operations, more detention centres, more economic migrants taking places of bona fide refugees, more undesirables, more cost accommodating them, more cost feeding them because 80% cant get a job, more on health and mental health services, more taking up low cost housing despite forcing low income earners and families onto the street, more exorbitant cost and risk to the taxpayer and social fabric. You don't invest in the economy by forcing vulnerables into rural slavery.

Applying special taxes to the banks will have the same effect as the super mining tax did. None.

Those are all nice feel good endeavors but they don't amount to anything. The most important thing is to get people motivated and working. You get people working by lowering corporate tax so companies can create jobs and people start companies. You invest in people and jobs and growth rather than silly things like gay weddings and alcohol tax cuts. Those nice little things feel warm and fuzzy but they mean shit in dollar terms. You just don't see the bigger picture Afro, ruled by your heart not your brain.

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http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/angry-doctors-quit-over-ehealth-system/story-e6frfm9r-1226698075011

This government is so out if its depth it's not even funny. I can see pink bats written all over this.
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Sigh . Using refugee for votes . Shame on both parties , they are not the playthings of politicians
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Why is Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party still refusing to release policies and economic costings, we are now in the second week of the election campaign?
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According to news corp readers its because labour spent all the money so tonyv doesnt want to release them
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Tony is absolute filth. White Australia 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Joffa wrote:
Why is Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party still refusing to release policies and economic costings, we are now in the second week of the election campaign?


6 point plan.

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paulbagzFC wrote:
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Why is Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party still refusing to release policies and economic costings, we are now in the second week of the election campaign?


6 point plan.

-PB


:lol: the first point of the 6 point plan to stop the boats is: to stop the boats :lol:

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pv4 wrote:
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Joffa wrote:
Why is Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party still refusing to release policies and economic costings, we are now in the second week of the election campaign?


6 point plan.

-PB


:lol: the first point of the 6 point plan to stop the boats is: to stop the boats :lol:

Edited by pv4: 16/8/2013 07:41:40 AM


And the second point?
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Barry O'Farrell in more trouble over Sydney Water

ANDREW CLENNELL THE DAILY TELEGRAPH AUGUST 14, 2013 5:24PM


SYDNEY Water decided against putting out to tender a $100 million contract - later given to a Liberal donor's company - after a meeting between the Premier and a donor.

An August 25, 2011, letter from the donor, Australian Water chief exectuive Nick Di Girolamo - tabled by Premier Barry O'Farrell in parliament yesterday - said Sydney Water had intended to put the Rouse Hill water infrastructure works out to tender on September 1. But, after a meeting between Mr Di Girolamo, Mr O'Farrell and former finance minister Greg Pearce, negotiations with Sydney Water restarted and the contract was given to Australian Water in January 2012.

Mr O'Farrell denied either he or his minister intervened, saying they left the matter to Sydney Water.

A Sydney Water spokeswoman said: "Mr Pearce was not involved with the contract but was made aware of it through routine updates."

The decision to renegotiate Australian Water's contract to project manage infrastructure came after an original 1992 agreement, which Australian Water had argued was open ended. Sydney Water advice from 2010 claimed Australian Water was not providing value for money.

Mr Di Girolamo's letter urged the ministers to intervene, saying: "Given that the current negotiations have stalled, SW has indicated that it will go out to public tender on 1 September 2011 for the Package 2 Works. …

"In this regard we believe it would appropriate for the Shareholding Ministers to request Sydney Water refrain from acting in such a manner. This will avoid a legal dispute that we will have no option but to immediately pursue."

Another letter was then sent from Australian Water chair, now federal Liberal frontbencher Arthur Sinodinos, to Sydney Water chair Tom Parry - and copied to the Premier - which said: "As you are aware Sydney Water recently informed AWH that it wished to terminate the contractual relationships between Sydney Water and AWH."

A response was received by the Director-General of the Department of Premier and Cabinet on September 27, saying that the ministers would not be interfering.

"In the circumstances, it is considered that shareholder intervention in the commercial dispute between Sydney Water and AWH of the kind proposed in your letter is inappropriate and unnecessary."

Meanwhile, Mr O'Farrell and Treasurer Mike Baird did not deny the Premier suggested the Treasurer appoint Mr Di Girolamo to the board of State Water Corporation. The Premier's spokesman said: "All board appointments are merit-based and made by Cabinet."

Mr O'Farrell yesterday tweeted: "If the story had any basis, ICAC would have contacted me. They haven't" but later deleted it. Mr Di Girolamo declined to comment.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/barry-o8217farrell-in-more-trouble-over-sydney-water/story-fni0cx12-1226698102633



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Joffa wrote:
pv4 wrote:
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Joffa wrote:
Why is Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party still refusing to release policies and economic costings, we are now in the second week of the election campaign?


6 point plan.

-PB


:lol: the first point of the 6 point plan to stop the boats is: to stop the boats :lol:

Edited by pv4: 16/8/2013 07:41:40 AM


And the second point?


:lol: I've answered your question already :lol:

TBH I couldn't even tell you if that guy is liberal or labour (although because so many internet people take the piss out of it, I assume he's a liberal) - but fxxx me that was funny. That whole John Oliver clip was unreal :lol:
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The Labor Party is so bloody corrupt, especially in NSW, oh wait.....
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pv4 wrote:
Joffa wrote:
pv4 wrote:
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Joffa wrote:
Why is Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party still refusing to release policies and economic costings, we are now in the second week of the election campaign?


6 point plan.

-PB


:lol: the first point of the 6 point plan to stop the boats is: to stop the boats :lol:

Edited by pv4: 16/8/2013 07:41:40 AM


And the second point?

I
:lol: I've answered your question already :lol:

TBH I couldn't even tell you if that guy is liberal or labour (although because so many internet people take the piss out of it, I assume he's a liberal) - but fxxx me that was funny. That whole John Oliver clip was unreal :lol:


Yeah he's a Liberal, and the real kicker about his stop the boats policy is his family were refugees from Vietnam in the 1970's.
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Re: the libs costings, if it took me 10 seconds to point out the flaws in the 'policies' that they've already announced then they're pretty much fucked on all fronts with their official costings.
pv4 wrote:
Joffa wrote:
pv4 wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
Joffa wrote:
Why is Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party still refusing to release policies and economic costings, we are now in the second week of the election campaign?


6 point plan.

-PB


:lol: the first point of the 6 point plan to stop the boats is: to stop the boats :lol:

Edited by pv4: 16/8/2013 07:41:40 AM


And the second point?


:lol: I've answered your question already :lol:

TBH I couldn't even tell you if that guy is liberal or labour (although because so many internet people take the piss out of it, I assume he's a liberal) - but fxxx me that was funny. That whole John Oliver clip was unreal :lol:

You know your election is a joke when The Daily Show takes time out of hanging shit on their own country to turn their verbal barrage on your country :lol:
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Coalition NBN won't be costed

Shadow Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull has said that a mutual agreement between the newly established Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO) and the Coalition that the PBO lacks the expertise to cost the Coalition's alternative National Broadband Network (NBN) policy will mean that it will go to the September federal election uncosted.

The shadow minister made the comments on Twitter today, as first reported by Delimiter. The Coalition has claimed that its policy, which will see 71 percent of premises receive NBN services over a fibre-to-the-node network rather than fibre to the premises, will cost AU$29.5 billion, with the aim of ensuring that all Australians can get download speeds of at least 50Mbps by 2019.

As Australia heads to the ballot box on September 7, the opposition is now beginning to have a number of its alternative policies costed by the PBO. However, as Turnbull stated on Twitter, the Coalition's NBN policy has been deemed too complex for the office to verify that the estimates for the cost of its network would be accurate.

The PBO was established in July 2012 to provide to the parliament independent and non-partisan analysis of policy, and to lay out the potential financial implications of proposed policies for any side of politics. It was designed to allow the parties to float policy ideas privately before going public with any official plans. As such, unlike the majority of other government departments, the entire agency is exempt from Freedom of Information laws.

The department received approximately AU$6 million in funding in last year's Budget, and AU$4.5 million in additional funding in this year's Budget to "enhance the Parliamentary Budget Office's fiscal policy analysis and costing capabilities, and to produce post-election assessments of election commitments".

The Coalition does not currently have the option of using other government agencies to test its policy's costings. Turnbull also noted that the Productivity Commission cannot cost the policy, because it can only accept instructions from the government of the day.

Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey said earlier this week that the Coalition's hands are tied in getting any other policies costed by the Treasury, because the government amended the Charter of Budget Honesty to state that the opposition party could use either Treasury or the PBO to cost policies.

"It was the government that amended the Charter of Budget Honesty to say that you could either use the Treasury or the Parliamentary Budget Office," he said. "We have been using the Parliamentary Budget Office."

The Coalition has come under fire for not releasing its policy costings broadly. Finance Minister Penny Wong said today that with the Pre-Election Fiscal Outlook (PEFO) document now released, it is time for the Coalition to reveal its costings.

"It may bore Mr Hockey to have to keep hiding his cuts, but Australians deserve to know how the Liberals would pay for their promises," she said.

"The release of the PEFO earlier this week means Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey have no excuses left to keep their cuts secret. The Liberals have spent months trying to dodge scrutiny, but with the election less than four weeks away, Australians deserve to know their plans."

Regardless of whether the NBN policy is costed before the election, it is unlikely that it would have an impact on the budget bottom line for the Coalition, because the party backflipped on earlier complaints about the NBN accounting method currently used by the Labor government, and has since agreed to keep the NBN off-budget.

http://www.zdnet.com/au/coalition-nbn-wont-be-costed-7000019429/?s_cid=e551&ttag=e551


wut.

-PB

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