Anyone?

TBH same could be said for the ALP?

Libs is they're being granted the election on a platter,

The funny thing for me is, other than postal/early voters, no one has put pen to paper yet. But they're being "granted the eleciton on a platter", and should feel bad for that fact? How exactly are Libs the bad guys, if Labour have conceded defeat before the ball has even been kicked? :lol:

Edited by pv4: 6/9/2013 12:31:01 PM

That was going to be my next question.

My issue with the Libs is they're being granted the election on a platter, there has been no scrutiny of their policies and what little we do know is either factually questionable ie. budgetary crisis, or downright frightening ie. 20,000 redundancies or illogical ie. NBN roll back.

well Joffa...is this not proof that the ALP and Government of the day are that inept they can't get traction and momentum if what you are saying is true????

Six years of stuff ups, such as?

TBH same could be said for the ALP?

well Joffa...is this not proof that the ALP and Government of the day are that inept they can't get traction and momentum if what you are saying is true????

The NBN fuck up - which after six years and budget budget blow outs totaling billions less than 1% of Australia have an active NBN service

You don't seriously believe the Labor party hasn't fumbled the ball massively on these key issues do you Joffy?

How could you possibly believe there has been fair and unbiased reporting by the media in this election campaign ?

What budget blow-out? The NBN has had the opposite of a budget blow out (they spent less than they forecast), and did not touch their $3 billion contingency allocation.

If you can't even get a simple fact like this right, why would anyone listen to you?

NBN Co's broadband network will cost $1.4 billion more to build and $3.2 billion more to operate than first expected - altogether $4.6 billion over ten years.

What budget blow-out? The NBN has had the opposite of a budget blow out (they spent less than they forecast), and did not touch their $3 billion contingency allocation.

If you can't even get a simple fact like this right, why would anyone listen to you?

C'mon Joffy the six years of constant fuck ups. You obviously read a lot of papers..

The Carbon tax fuck up - when Julia said she would not give us a carbon tax and gave us the carbon tax

The NBN fuck up - which after six years and budget budget blow outs totaling billions less than 1% of Australia have an active NBN service

The budget fuck up - where Labor promised a surplus and gave us a huge deficit, and have done an about face and are pretending surpluses aren't important anymore

The leadership fuck up - where they got rid of one leader, replaced him with a different leader and replaced her with the leader they originally got rid of

The asylum fuck up - where they dismantled Howards border policies because they were deemed "cruel and inhumane" only to later reinstate them because this was the most compassionate thing to do.

The pink batts fuck up - whose incompetence lead to the deaths of four people before the project was abandoned

You don't seriously believe the Labor party hasn't fumbled the ball massively on these key issues do you Joffy?

EDIT: the mining tax fuck up. Where Labor promised a windfall to the taxpayer on the back of super mining profits, only to generate little revenue and cost more on advertising than it earned.

The list goes on and on and on...

Edited by rusty: 6/9/2013 12:42:52 PM

Anyone?

1. Carbon tax
2. Boat people
3. Rugby League


Seriously though Labor over the last few years have turned the office of PM into a labor party popularity contest. Honestly who would have thought 4 years ago that we would have seen Rudd booted out only to be reinstated in this fashion? Its unprecedented. Kevin has spent the last few years doing everything to compromise the stability of the labor party and succeeded, so what does the party do? Puts him back in just to save their backsides. I just cannot see how the Labor party can govern effectively at this current stage. They need a clean out.

Its clear that Liberals are going to win the election not because people see them as a great alternative, but as the only way to end the calamity roadshow circus we have now.

What budget blow-out? The NBN has had the opposite of a budget blow out (they spent less than they forecast), and did not touch their $3 billion contingency allocation.

If you can't even get a simple fact like this right, why would anyone listen to you?

Still doesn't mean he should vote liberal though, it just means he shouldn't vote labor :lol:

Australia, you don't know how good you've got it
While other countries fell into the global recession, Australia maintained strong economic growth, low government debt and a triple-A credit rating. With this record, you might expect the federal election to be focused on how to convert the strength of today's economy into resilience for the future. But instead the political spotlight has fallen on the perceived problem of government debt, with alarming proposals to bring austerity ''down under''.
For an American, Australia's anxiety about deficit and debt is a little amusing. Australia's budget deficit is less than half that of the US and its net debt is less than an eighth of the country's gross domestic product.
Most countries would envy Australia's economy. During the global recession, Kevin Rudd's government implemented one of the strongest Keynesian stimulus packages in the world. That package was delivered early, with cash grants that could be spent quickly followed by longer-term investments that buoyed confidence and activity over time. In many other countries, stimulus was too small and arrived too late, after jobs and confidence were already lost.
In Australia the stimulus helped avoid a recession and saved up to 200,000 jobs. And new research shows that stimulus may have also actually reduced government debt over time. Evidence from the crisis suggests that, when the economy is weak, the long-run tax revenue benefits of keeping businesses afloat and people in work can be greater than the short-run expenditure on stimulus measures. That means that a well-targeted fiscal stimulus might actually reduce public debt in the long run.
Australia may have successfully dodged the global crisis, but some politicians seem to have missed the lessons it taught the rest of the world. In this election, the conservative side of politics has foreshadowed substantial cuts to the government budget. This would be a grave mistake, especially now.

Still doesn't mean he should vote liberal though, it just means he shouldn't vote labor :lol:

The PPL plan they are adopting similar to the one they have in other OECD countries is proven to unlock the potential of women in the workforce and grow the economy, I suggest you do some research.

Of course a tax cut stimulates the economy as that money is reinvested in jobs which lowers the unemployment rate and more employment participation is essential to growing the economy. Australia has a high corporate tax rate compared to other OECD nations, even "socialist" countries like Sweden, Denmark etc.

Regarding your accusation of the Liberals "cutting and burning"..

Macroeconomics director of budget and forecasting Stephen Anthony says both major parties appear to have released costings that are broadly credible and have offset spending measures with savings during the campaign period.

"It is possible to nit-pick about assumptions but, overall, at least in terms of the overarching impact on the budget bottom line, both sides have acted fairly responsibly," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-05/foreign-aid-cops-244bn-hit-as-coalition-releases-costings/4938218

If you did not get it by now 6 years of stuff ups, what chance do you have understanding anything now, just read The Age (only paper in Australia still believes Kev should be the PM again) watch the ABC and coexist in the parallel universe with your Labor mates.

How are they inept when they were able to pass a large number of their policies into law? In a minority government no less.

The fact that they changed leaders is purely down to the popularity of the former leader which unfortunately is where politics is in this country.

Edited by mcjules: 6/9/2013 12:40:25 PM

Possibly, what I think is the case is that we are seeing self interest, from the media outlets, set the agenda.I agree the ALP government made some mistakes, and should be judged accordingly, alternatively the Coalition controlled the upper house so does it not stand to reason they are also culpable?

Edited by Joffa: 6/9/2013 12:54:31 PM

On the contrary we should we listen to Mr Quigley and Albanese? They are obviously politically and financially motivated to sell this to the public as if everything is rosy. This thing is obviously behind schedule by a long way and experiencing massive personnel issues, synonymous with these two variables for any large scale project is increased costs and heightened risk.

Despite promising to be transparent from the start they are obviously failing to provide detailed costings on the current state of the roll out for a reason, there is something they don't want the public to know. Not to worry soon all will be exposed and we can get on with building the NBN rather than just talking about it.

Edited by rusty: 6/9/2013 01:19:47 PM

Edited by rusty: 6/9/2013 01:20:10 PM

Well the implication is you won't experience these same issues under a Liberal government.