I would be greatly surprised to find out that Rusty isn't a Pensioner. He actually thinks people want the internet upgraded to 'stream porn quicker'. Da fuck?

This is the kind of infallible logic on the part of the voters that got the Libs in power.

No sir, it is you that should be getting fucked.

Gillard couldn't queef without it making front page news, with you regularly taking a front & centre place intthe circlejerk. Abbott lies in the bed of his making, and so do you, hypocrite.

No the incompetence of Labor is what got the libs in power.
Your comparing a party to a raggedy Anne group of people who couldn't pick a leader.
Policies and ideas aside that is absolutely pathetic.

Edited by perthjay85: 1/10/2013 09:27:53 PM

How your NATIONAL LEADER acts on problems is a precedent on how he is going to handle future problems.
I am not throwing support behind Abbot but I find it ridiculous that he is being hammered so hard on this situation when in 3 weeks he has been more pro active on the problem than labor has been over the last few years.

Lets give him a chance to see what he sorts out over the next few months in relation to this matter.

How is he going to handle the far more complex issue of people smugglers and diplomacy with Indonesia when he can't handle a simple conversation with the media.

I really cannot see how this is such a big deal.
Whether he was taken away by his minders, he was late for the plane or he just couldn't be fucked dealing with rude journos it shouldn't really be what people are talking about.

If he fails on making a difference on this matter then question him on running away from journos because he obviously had no plan and was simply going on a holiday.

Calling me pathetic for not picking apart the Liberals policies, but you call Labor incompetent for something that has nothing to do with policy.



Edited by 433: 1/10/2013 09:50:39 PM

I never called you pathetic. I was talking about Labor not being able to elect a leader and stick with them.

And yes Labor is clearly incompetent. How else would you describe them? A great team who were united and stood by there leader?

fuck you people rant on with shit........he avoided a low life journo.....big deal....

you are all so desperate to slag or defend a politician.......as if you all really expect them to be perfect....

I get pissed off with journo's just expecting that politicians,actors,bands and singers are at their disposal and get in their face in public space thrusting microphones in their faces and asking provocative and inflammatory questions, like today tonight.....low life human's

and it applies to both sides and all of politics.......Gillard was treated poorly by the media and here it continues......

Do people really think the LNP are trying harder to "stop the boats" than Labor ever did? It's like you've had a blindfold on for the past 3 years.

Going to Indonesia to talk to their government... Why didn't Labor do that? #-o

Edited by mcjules: 2/10/2013 08:06:25 AM

pretty sure it's safe to say that you have the blindfold and ear plugs in....

or is it blind faith????

Nope, I disagree with Labor's policy as well. I'm clearly a crazy leftie on this issue :lol:

There's a difference between disagreeing with the policy that Labor put forward and saying they didn't do anything (or try to). Mind you there is so little difference between the 2 parties on this issue, you'll forgive me for thinking that there will be a similar amount of difference in the outcome.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/abbotts-local-press-event-shuts-out-local-reporters/

So now he's running away from the Indonesians, too.

How embarrassing.

Well of course they are, their whole election mandate was based on "stopping the boats" so if they fail this is going to probably cost them the next election, or will at the very least seriously damage their credibility. Given Labor and Rudd dismantled the pacific solution they wanted to appear like glorious humanists regardless of the cost to human life.

So Abbott confronts the Australian media and he's still accused of "running away"? Tough crowd.:lol:

knit picking nannies more like it....

Short sighted but for regular households these are the major beneficiaries of the NBN. For education and business these stakeholders will be getting fibre to the premises, as these are the kinds of users who have a legitimate claim for a full fibre connection, residential households don't. They don't need to telework, upload significant volumes of data to an online server or share important data between different users which requires a high speed internet connection, nor conduct video conferences between clients and satellite offices, etc. For businesses these are important needs whereas for consumers they are wants at best. People might want to do these things but that certainly doesn't mean the taxpayer should fund them. It seems to me appropriate and fair if people want to do these things which gives them private benefits and presents no value to society they should pay for it themselves rather than making society pay for it.

FTTH is a system which is alleged to deliver a profit but given the troubles you have to question whether it can deliver on that promise. If it can finish on time and budget by all means proceed with the current plan but if not and it costs society money cheaper more cost effective options need to be in the very least explored. I agree FTTN is a crappy alternative if the true cost of FTTH is $39.4 billion or whatever but there is a very real chance of this thing blowing out considerably and becoming a catastrophic waste of money. Even $30 billion is A LOT of money, lets not pretend it grows on trees.

We just need to be more prudent and considerate of taxpayers money rather than being so technology obsessed.

Actually no they won't. Areas that don't have pre-existing contracts started will be FTTN only and certain premises will have to pay extra again to get the connection made to their site.



This is also very debatable. People haven't had that need in the past because they never had the ability too do said things. It's a classic case of "build it and they will come". I know personally since having my NBN connected I am able to hose my own website, high quality Teamspeak servers, game servers, VPN connections to multiple places, fully utiised my wireless bridge between my house and my brothers as well as a host of working-from-home aspects that are so much better with a faster connection.



I agree with you there however it is hard to gauge the impact/benefits on society when such a small percentage are currently connected.



Half the problem with the blowouts and draw backs were in regards to the sub-contracted installers. Like the insulation scheme before it, there really should have been better checks put into place for these people doing the work (I personally dealt with "cowboy" cablers when my connection was being completed).

Technology obsessed is one way to put it, but it's also an indicator of how badly we are lagging behind the times when compared to other developed countries such as those in Europe or those in Asia such as Korea and Japan.

-PB

WA has been confirmed as PUP + Labor with Dropulich of the Sports Party and Ludlum of the Greens missing out. Family First also confirmed for SA ahead of a 2nd Labor candidate.
I believe this means all Senate seats have been finalised (definitely seen final results for all the borderline cases pending any re-counts).

Senate will look like this:

LNP 33
ALP 26
Greens 9
Minor 8 (1x continuing Dem Lab, 1x Lib Dems, 3x Palmer, 1x Family First, 1x Xenophon, 1x Motoring)


Contrary to some reports, Clive Palmer alone will *not* hold the balance of power... LNP can pass legislation if Greens or ALP support it, OR if any 6 of the 8 minor party candidates support it... Palmer at most can contribute 3 of those 6 meaning it would still need 3 of Democratic Labor, Family First (both Christian parties), Lib Dems (gun guy), Motoring ('roo poo guy) or Xenophon (no pokies guy).


Final result DOES mean that LNP need one of ALP, Greens or Palmer for a majority. *That* could lead to a double dissolution.

PB, Europe and Korea/Japan have vastly larger populations, living is significantly smaller areas. You could run fibre up every street and guarantee hundreds of connections because the people are there. You can't say the same about here.
Just because the ability to telework might exist, doesn't mean it would happen. My job requires a phone and an internet connection, and we've joked many times that it could be done from anywhere, but it's company policy to not have people work from home. And the policy isn't based on the quality of the connection.

You'll find for some workplaces it's a policy thing that will require a cultural change and others it's because of the connection quality.

Of course telework doesn't suit a lot of jobs but there are a number of professional careers around where work flexibility will allow for greater productivity.

Is there any need to legislate on "turning back the boats"? Because I'm fairly sure the ALP are against it, and the Greens and PUP are in favour of on shore processing.

http://fttb.org

:lol: :lol: :lol:

-PB

Exactly right.

I do agree with the density of population and distance issues but distance is one of the issues where FTTN will be shit.

-PB

Australian PM Under Pressure Over Refugee ‘Back-Pedal’

By Agence France-Presse on 3:24 pm October 2, 2013.
Category Featured, International, World

Tags: Australia asylum seekers, Australia Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Indonesia asylum seeker detention centers, Indonesia-Australia relations

Australia’s Prime Minister Tony Abbott (L) breakfasts with Indonesia’s top business executives before delivering his address to the Australian and Indonesian business forum in Jakarta on October 1, 2013. (AFP Photo/Romeo Gacad)
Sydney. Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott was Wednesday accused by the opposition of “back-pedaling at 100 miles an hour” on tough policies to deter asylum-seekers during a sensitive visit to Indonesia this week.

Abbott made Jakarta his first international trip after winning an election last month, with a vow to “Stop the Boats” a centerpiece of his campaign.

His policies — which include turning people-smuggling boats back to Indonesia, pre-emptively buying up rickety fishing vessels there and paying villagers for intelligence — were coolly received in Jakarta, and Abbott appeared to waver on the key points after talks with President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.

Striking a more conciliatory tone, Abbott insisted Australia had never said it would tow boats back to Indonesia but would “turn boats around when it is safe to do so.”

He said his vessel buy-up “was simply the establishment of some money that could be used by Indonesian officials working cooperatively with their Australian counterparts.”

“The important thing is not to start a fight, but to get things done,” said Abbott.

He was criticized by the current center-left Labor opposition, with interim leader Chris Bowen saying it showed “ill thought-out sound grabs from opposition are proving unsustainable in government.”

“Tony Abbott is now back-pedaling from his ridiculous buy-the-boats policy at 100 miles an hour, as he should,” Bowen told the Australian Financial Review.

“However, it is embarrassing for Australia that it took Indonesia to tell us that it wasn’t on, and Tony Abbott didn’t just realize himself that it was a ridiculous policy.”

The prime minister later insisted it was a “very good trip” and he had been “warmly welcomed.”

“It was agreed that the operational details, the specifics of how this might work out would be left to officials and ministers, and officials and ministers will be talking together very, very soon indeed,” Abbott told reporters.

“I don’t think anyone in Indonesia is under any illusions about Australia’s resolve to stop the boats.

“We will work with Indonesia in ways that fully respect Indonesia’s sovereignty, but for us people-smuggling is a sovereignty issue, and that’s why we will stop the boats and we will work wholeheartedly with Indonesia to ensure that that happens as quickly as possible.”

Separately, Abbott was criticized in Indonesia for barring local journalists from his major press conference during the trip and restricting entry to Australian media.

Umar Idris, from the Alliance of Independent Journalists, said it was the first time he was aware of that such an exclusion had been made.

“Australia has good press freedom and so they should practice that in Indonesia as well,” Umar told the Jakarta Globe newspaper, which said its own correspondents had been shut out.

“Tony Abbott’s visit is important for the Indonesian media and journalists should be granted equal, open access.”

Abbott’s government has come under fire at home for limiting the release of information about refugee boats to a weekly briefing, even when a vessel sank last week off Indonesia with the loss of at least 39 people.

Agence France-Press


http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/international/australian-pm-under-pressure-over-refugee-back-pedal/?

So, Gillard was a laughing stock at home, but lauded abroad
Abbott has gone one better and has made us a laughing stock abroad too.

Kutgw Phony Tony.

Australian wages will fall behind unless productivity improves, says PwC
Accounting group warns that Asian and European economies will move ahead as the standard of living stagnates at home
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Over the next two decades, PwC expects the average monthly wage in Australia to increase by less than US$400. Photograph: Julian Smith/AAP
Wages in Australia will fall relative to emerging Asian and developed European economies in the next 20 years unless productivity is boosted, the accounting group PricewaterhouseCoopers says.

Of 21 economies analysed by PwC, Australia had the highest average monthly wage in 2011, followed by France, Canada and Japan. But by 2030 Australia could move to fourth on the list, with South Korea pushing ahead to top spot.

Over the next two decades, PwC expects the average monthly wage in Australia to increase by less than US$400 to US$4,818. South Korea's average monthly wage is expected to rise from US$2,361 to US$5,040.

Low productivity growth and an expected decline in the Australian dollar meant it was hard for wages, and therefore standards of living, to grow, said a PwC partner and economist, Jeremy Thorpe.

Australia needed to improve productivity through industrial relations and tax reform, and also needed to look at its immigration policy to ensure it attracted people with the right skills, Thorpe said.

Companies also needed to be willing to adapt the way they did business to operate more efficiently, he said.

"Higher productivity growth is the only way to increase real wages and, unless we tackle the productivity challenge, Australians may have seen the best of it, in terms of standard of living, for some time," Thorpe said.

The PwC report found wages would grow most strongly in emerging economies such as China, Poland, Turkey, Mexico and South Africa, owing to higher productivity growth.

But wages were also expected to grow faster in Britain, Germany and France than in Australia.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/02/australian-wages-fall-behind-productivity

That was always one of my major fears with Abbott as PM. You can only imagine how badly other nations are viewing him and therefore us as a nation.

I'm currently in Thailand, was in Indonesia yesterday - he was being ridiculed on the front page of the Jakarta Post, Jakartas largest circulation English language paper.

Abbott has been disastrous for our international reputation so far. Easily the worst PM we have ever had already.