It has a circulation of less than 0.1% of the Indo population, hardly representative of what the international community thinks about our PM.:lol: And who cares if it won some bogus award nobody has ever heard of, all newspapers win awards ffs.:lol:


Edited by rusty: 3/10/2013 09:35:37 AM

Yeah I need to win the globally coveted Adam Malik to boost my credibility and prestige

I guess you ignored all the other international sources of ridicule, but it's not uncommon thing for a hypocrite to do.

I'd love to see Abbott extradited to Indonesia to answer for his crimes against the Indonesian press.

What other sources of ridicule? We're all hypocrites, fool.:lol:

Wonder how much of the FOI request will be completed in regards to the latest NBN documents.

-PB

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Abbott under pressure over refugees
AFP-JIJI
OCT 2, 2013

CANBERRA – Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott was accused Wednesday by the opposition of “backpedaling at 100 miles an hour” on his hard-line asylum seeker policies during a sensitive diplomatic visit to Indonesia this week.

Abbott chose Jakarta for his first international trip since winning Australia’s elections last month, with a vow to “Stop the Boats” a centerpiece of his campaign.

His policies, which include turning people-smuggling boats back to Indonesia, pre-emptively buying up rickety fishing vessels and paying villagers for intelligence, were coolly received in Indonesia, and Abbott appeared to waver on the key points after talks with President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.

Striking a more conciliatory tone, Abbott insisted Australia had never said it would tow boats back to Indonesia but “turn boats around when it is safe to do so” and that his vessel buy up “was simply the establishment of some money that could be used by Indonesian officials working cooperatively with their Australian counterparts.”

“The important thing is not to start a fight, but to get things done,” said Abbott.

He was criticized by the center-left Labor Party, with interim leader Chris Bowen saying it showed “ill thought out sound grabs from opposition are proving unsustainable in government.”

“Tony Abbott is now backpedaling from his ridiculous buy-the-boats policy at 100 miles an hour, as he should,” Bowen told the Australian Financial Review. “However, it is embarrassing for Australia that it took Indonesia to tell us that it wasn’t on, and Tony Abbott didn’t just realize himself that it was a ridiculous policy.”

Abbott’s government has come under fire at home for limiting the release of information about refugee boats to a weekly briefing, even when a vessel sank last week off Indonesia, killing at least 39 people.

Separately, Abbott was criticized in Indonesia for barring local journalists from his major news conference during the trip and restricting entry to Australian media. Umar Idris, from the Alliance of Independent Journalists, said it was the first time he was aware that such an exclusion had been made.


http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/10/02/asia-pacific/abbott-under-pressure-over-refugees/?#.UkzYdREaySM

Tony Abbott’s Visit to Indonesia: A Real Statesman in the Making?
By Catherine McGrath on 10:00 am October 2,

If new Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott really wanted to build a fresh relationship with Indonesia he was going to have to start changing the “vibe.” In other words, the type of rhetoric Australia had engaged in for a long time had to stop. Effectively Australia had to “get off its high horse.”

A new direction seemed to begin to develop this week.

The main question now is will this new-found vision last?

Indonesians have heard a lot about Australia’s obsession with asylum-seekers, its “turn back the boats” policy and plans to pay village leaders to inform on people smugglers. During this brief visit, those who were listening heard another message, too.

There was understanding, conciliation, contrition and respect in Prime Minister Abbott’s words and actions.

If it surprised Indonesians, it may have surprised Australians more. Was Tony Abbott taking the first steps toward being a 21st-century statesman?

He seemed to understand Indonesia is making its place in the world and he seemed to understand that despite setbacks and difficulties, Indonesia is making great progress. In fact Indonesia is making amazing progress.

It is too early to proclaim a breakthrough in the relationship but certainly Abbott has managed to make an early change to the vibe.

He said that Indonesia is the most important country for because of its size, proximity and potential. He said that Australia wanted to join the northern neighbor on its economic and democratic journey. He believed the relationship should be built as a matter of “urgency” and that Indonesia would soon take its place as a global leader.

Abbott emphasized his support for Indonesian sovereignty, particularly over Papua — an issue that has continued to cause concern in Jakarta.

This support for the territorial integrity of Indonesia is a long-standing Australian government position, one confirmed by the previous government many times. However, recent protests by activists in Australia and Papua have put the subject back on Indonesia’s agenda.

Concerns on the Indonesian side are long-lived. Jakarta wanted a public declaration and Australia happily gave it.

“I do want to stress publicly, as well as privately Bapak President, Australia’s total respect for Indonesia’s sovereignty, total respect for Indonesia’s territorial integrity” Abbott said in official remarks.

“The government of Australia takes a very dim view, a very dim view indeed, of anyone seeking to use our country as a platform for grandstanding against Indonesia. We will do everything that we possibly can to discourage this and to prevent this.”

He went further, I believe, than previous prime ministers when he spoke about the benefits the Indonesian government has delivered in Papua.

“I admire and respect what you and your government have done to improve the autonomy and the life of the people of West Papua and I am confident that they can have the best possible life and the best possible future as a part of an indissoluble Indonesia, as an integral part of Indonesia.”

Perhaps the most surprising statement was when he apologized for past wrong deeds by Australian governments, in particular the banning of live beef exports by the Gillard government.

“There have been times, I’m sorry to say, when Australia must have tried your patience: when we ‘put the sugar on the table’ for people smugglers; or canceled the live cattle trade in panic at a TV program. There have been times when all sides of Australian politics should have said less and done more. I am confident that these will soon seem like out-of-character aberrations and that the relationship will once more be one of no surprises, based on mutual trust, dependability and absolute respect for each other’s sovereignty under the Lombok Treaty.”

Abbott did not lecture. He did not pronounce nor reflect an idea of Australian superiority. That approach itself is a new beginning because often without trying to, Australian politicians can appear to others as though they believe they are superior or appear to demonstrate they believe they have superior judgement. Abbott is being advised well by his diplomats and key staff and seems to be listening.

Abbott is not naturally an internationalist. His political focus has always been on the domestic political agenda. He is only just getting to know Asia. His natural affinity is with Great Britain. He was born in the United Kingdom. He was a founder of Australians for a Constitutional Monarchy and well-known for early comments about the strengths of the so called “Anglosphere” of English-speaking countries.

He has reintroduced portraits of the queen into some Australian government offices and his own parliamentary office has a picture of Queen Elizabeth on display.

But Abbott also wants to be a success as a leader and internationally. He knows he needs to build a relationship with Indonesia and he is trying to do that. He has taken as his model former Prime Minister John Howard, who managed to build a very strong relationship with President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.

For Australia the asylum issue is still big news and thus a key issue for this prime minister. Abbott returns to Australia with something he wanted, an agreement from Indonesia to work on bilateral measures to “stop the boats.”

At the joint leaders’ media conference Yudhoyono uttered some essential words from the Australian perspective. The president said bilateral cooperation on asylum-seekers can take place in addition to the Bali process: “We realize that we need another type of cooperation at the bilateral level among Indonesia and Australia.”

President Yudhoyono said both countries had done their best to counter people smugglers “however it would be much better if the cooperation at the bilateral level would flow further.”

Australia has now promised to take any future discussion on asylum-seekers behind closed doors.

Catherine McGrath is Asia editor at the ABC in Canberra.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/opinion/tony-abbotts-visit-to-indonesia-a-real-statesman-in-the-making/?

Not the Jakarta post therefore it must be good :lol:

I wonder how readers of the Jakarta Globe think about an Australian, in Canberra commenting on the mindset of Indonesians?

Anyway she works for the ABC so clearly she's anti-Abbott.

is that blue test i see????

The BBC, Reuters, The New York Times, Huffington Post...?

Just because I often make valid points that you lack the capacity to rebut for whatever reason and thus resort to personal insults, nitpicking and misdirection doesn't mean I'm a "tacky uneducated uninformed malicious troll".

20 pages imo.

Ps the guy that tanked telstras share price is now in charge of nbn.

At least Gillard, our worst PM in 50 years, is gone from Politics.

A valid point to you is a tacky uneducated uniformed malicious attempt at trolling to the rest of us

Lesson Learned: Rusty & batfink = "the rest of us".

It's not quantity it's quality

"the rest of us", as defined, are sorely lacking in both.

Which as notorganic so keenly points out, you possess neither.

Oh how are they sources of ridicule exactly?

They've all openly criticized Abbott since the election campaign began.

Why was she the worst? I see a lot of complaints about labour/Rudd/Gillard but i never understood why people hate them so much.

1945-49   Ben Chifley   Labor
1949-66   Robert Menzies   Liberal
1966-67   Harold Holt   Liberal
1967-68   John McEwan   Country
1968-71   John Gorton   Liberal
1971-72   John McMahon   Liberal
1972-75   Gough Whitlam   Labor
1975-83   Malcolm Fraser   Liberal
1983-91   Robert Hawke   Labor
1991-96   Paul Keating   Labor
1996-2007   John Howard   Liberal
2007-10   Kevin Rudd   Labor
2910-?   Julia Gillard   Labor

She may not have been the best, but she has several contenders on that list for worst Prime Minister.

Where did they do that. Are we really concerned what some left leaning news publications think anyway. They are mostly just amateurs with journalism degrees and no public experience expressing their personal opinions, not representing mainstream, business or political opinion of Australia.

That's a bit rough especially considering conservative newspapers employ people to lie to the Australian people to suit their agenda.

Gillard was a bland, uninspiring dolt no one listened to, she couldn't command the respect of her own party let alone the county. Once the majesty of our first woman prime minster wore off she was exposed as a liar and fiscal incompetent, who had the best of intentions but no idea how to pay for them. Rudd was just a babbling ideologically deranged fool who dismembered policy and tried to put into his practice his disturbing, schizophrenic vision of what he thought Australia should be like. Pretty much everything he did flopped, but his ego so big he was incapable of admitting error or fallibility of his grandiose ideas. I think he just enjoyed the fame and being mr popular and the prime ministership was just incidental.

What a pretentious load of bullshit. They're some of the most widely respected publications in mass media. Does your arrogance know no bounds? ](*,) Dismissing the NY Times and Reuters as "amaterus" are you fucking kidding?

We're not talking about the mainstream, business or political opinion of Australia, we're talking about Abbott's perception in the global community. And he's viewed as negatively on a large scale.

All the newspapers do that. It's not like conservatives newspapers are the baddies and left ones morally pure. Fairfax and ABC are as biased as Murdoch paper, but their readers interpret that bias as "objective, clinical thought" .

Prove it

Edited by Joffa: 3/10/2013 07:19:41 PM

He might be viewed negatively in the left sections but he would be admired and popular in the conservative sections. You're yet to prove our international reputation is crumbling, given he's been in the job for three weeks and barely set foot outside of Australia. Do you actually have some sources or are you just making shit up? The people having a go at our new PM outside our own country I can't fathom being anything other than being total wankers and not worthy of any respect. What would some lefty poms or yanks know about our complex policy environment anyway, these are the same idiots who propped up Gillards mysogyny speech as something to behold, while our own press largely ignored it. We don't have to go searching for international approval for our PM, we will decide for ourselves wihether our own PM is worthy thanks.