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THOUSANDS of young people from financially struggling nations such as Greece and Spain will be allowed to work in Australia under a major migration scheme. It is the largest working holiday program of its kind in the world, with almost 260,000 visas issued in 201213, according to the department's annual report. Australia has visa arrangements with 28 countries and negotiations are under way with another 13, including nations with high youth unemployment such as Greece and Spain.


Wow.

Go Tony go.

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Yeah, let's bring MORE people over here to work instead of giving jobs to the people already coming here. LNP logic.
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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/07/un-climate-talks-labor-calls-coalition-an-embarrassment-on-the-world-stage

UN climate talks: Labor calls Coalition an 'embarrassment on the world stage'

The Coalition has proved itself to be “an embarrassment on the world stage” and a denier of climate science after its decision not to send a minister to United Nations climate change talks in Poland, Labor has claimed.

Mark Butler, Labor’s environment spokesman, told Guardian Australia “it doesn’t surprise me in the slightest” that Australia will not send a government minister to the international negotiations next week, accusing Tony Abbott of not accepting the science of climate change.

“When it comes to climate change, the Liberals have just been an embarrassment on the world stage,” Butler said.

"In the last 24 hours, we've heard John Howard tell a London audience that those of us who accept that climate change is real are a bunch of ‘religious zealots’, and that he'll trust his ‘instinct’ rather than the overwhelming evidence of the world's climate scientists.

"In the last fortnight, Tony Abbott has accused the United Nations climate chief of ‘talking through her hat’, while Greg Hunt used Wikipedia to contradict her opinion in a BBC interview.

"There's a reason why the Liberal party won't send ministerial representation to Warsaw – Tony Abbott doesn't accept that climate change is real."

Diplomat Justin Lee, Australia’s ambassador for climate change, will represent the country at international talks in Poland, which are seen as vital to laying the groundwork for a global agreement to cut carbon emissions.

Government ministers typically attend the final days of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change annual meetings. But neither the environment minister, Greg Hunt, the foreign minister, Julie Bishop, nor their parliamentary secretaries will travel to the Warsaw talks, which conclude on 22 November.

A spokesman for Hunt told Guardian Australia he would be “honouring the election promise of introducing the carbon tax repeal as the first item of legislative business” when parliament resumes next week.

"Minister Hunt indicated a month ago at the Sustainable Business Australia forum that he will be fully engaged in repealing the carbon tax during the first two weeks of parliament," he said.

Hunt’s spokesman said the climate talks were under the remit of the Department of Foreign Affairs, representing a break from the usual practice of environment ministers attending the summits. Bishop will be attending the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Sri Lanka, which partially overlaps with the climate change talks.

A spokeswoman for the Department of Foreign Affairs confirmed Lee would be the senior representative. "It is not unusual for countries’ delegations to be led by officials,” she said.

But Butler said the decision to not send a minister was a further indictment of Coalition climate policy, which will involve dismantling carbon pricing, despite it being backed as the most cost-effective way of reducing emissions by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development this week.

“Tony Abbott and the Coalition have not been able to come up with one credible scientist or economist who's willing to stand up and back their Direct Action con,” Butler said.

"All of the world's credible experts back an emissions trading scheme as the cheapest and most effective way to tackle carbon pollution.”

There is confusion over what Australia’s approach to climate talks will be, after the government cancelled the traditional briefings given to businesses, diplomats and environmental organisations before the gathering.

Australia chairs the “umbrella group” of nations, a negotiating bloc that includes the US, Japan and Norway. Hunt said on Thursday Australia would look to forge a “deep, strong international agreement”.

Asked what Australia's contribution would be to an agreed $100bn climate change mitigation fund, to be given by wealthy nations to developing countries, the foreign affairs spokeswoman said: “The Australian government is currently considering budget and funding priorities, including for its foreign aid program. The government will consider any future climate finance contributions in due course.”

Kevin Rudd, in his first spell as prime minister, attended the UN climate talks in 2007 to ratify Australia’s commitment to the Kyoto protocol, which fixed obligations on industrialised countries to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

Since 2007 a succession of ministers including Penny Wong, Greg Combet and Mark Dreyfus have represented Australia at the annual summit.

Under John Howard the environment minister headed every delegation, with Ian Campbell, David Kemp and Robert Hill representing Australia at meetings back to 1997.

The chief executive of the Climate Institute, John Connor, told Guardian Australia the absence of a government minister sent a “very unusual signal” to the rest of the world.

“It certainly reduces Australia’s power and influence at the meeting,” he said. “I had hoped at least a parliamentary secretary would attend.

“It’s key that two things are maintained – Australia’s 25% emission reduction target and the Kyoto ratification. The key question in Warsaw will be the timelines on these things.

“We don’t want a repeat of the situation where we keep our cards close to our chest until five minutes after midnight, but the Coalition’s timetable seems to have them headed that way.”

The Greens deputy leader, Adam Bandt, said the decision not to send a minister to the talks was "appalling".

“Instead of sitting in his office reading Wikipedia, Greg Hunt should be in Warsaw tackling global warming and talking to the world’s experts on climate change,” Bandt said.

“Action speaks louder than words and once again the climate denialism of the Abbott government is clear from their inaction.

“It is understandable that the minister feels embarrassed by the Abbott government’s position on climate change, but this should be no excuse. He should be in Warsaw to face the music.”

The 2015 climate talks, to be held in Paris, have been earmarked as the moment when countries will finally overcome several false starts – most notably in Copenhagen in 2009 – to lay down an effective agreement to reduce emissions.

“Going by the submissions from the US and elsewhere, countries want a timeline and the groundwork done in Warsaw and in 2014,” Connor said.

“If Australia isn’t doing its fair share, there will be huge question marks hanging over us. That’s not a gamble we should be taking.”

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Well...that's embarrassing.
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Why would the ALP call the Coalition an embarrassment on this issue? It's clear the nation at large doesn't give two shits about climate change any more.
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afromanGT wrote:
Yeah, let's bring MORE people over here to work instead of giving jobs to the people already coming here. LNP logic.


Apples and Oranges imo.

'Boat people' will in the majority be unskilled workers while a lot of the unemployed in Greece and Spain are skilled workers who just can't get a job out of University.
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Yeah, let's bring MORE people over here to work instead of giving jobs to the people already coming here. LNP logic.


Apples and Oranges imo.

'Boat people' will in the majority be unskilled workers while a lot of the unemployed in Greece and Spain are skilled workers who just can't get a job out of University.

That's purely speculation on your part.

We don't just need skilled workers, we need unskilled workers too. Alternatively, the government could invest the money they're spending on shipping people over from financially crippled Eurozone nations on training some of the 'boat people' which are already washing up on our shores.
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I think the extreme right view of boat people lacks empathy and is quite selfish. The extreme left lacks caution and security. To much in either direction is a bad thing but the approach has to be measured.


The extreme left is having unfettered border access and encouraging people to get on dodgy boats that sink and sometimes kill everyone on board. The extreme right is sending the Navy out to blow them up. Clearly the last six years it was slanted to the left and as we all saw it was a total fucking disaster, festering people smuggling operations, loss of innocent life and exploitation of the visa system. Now it's been brought back to the middle ground and we're seeing order, fairness and sanity prevail. Liberal and labor are basically bipartisan on he issue now which demonstrates the current solution is centre, not right as many of the little moralist pubes on the left have ventured.
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Yeah, that Tony Abbott policy which Indonesia basically told him to shove up his arse is definitely responsible for the change in boat people arrivals. :lol:
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What are you babbling on about we have greater cooperation with Indonesia and Malaysia in two months of liberal government than we did in six years of terribly ineffective, incompetent labor rule. I suppose the left will argue the recent reduction in boat arrivals is all to do with "global trends" still.:oops:
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Yeah, "greater cooperation". That's why the details of Julie Bishop's meeting with the Indonesians was "accidentally leaked". Tony Abbott was told to fuck off by Indonesia for attempting to impose on their sovereignty.
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afromanGT wrote:
Yeah, "greater cooperation". That's why the details of Julie Bishop's meeting with the Indonesians was "accidentally leaked". Tony Abbott was told to fuck off by Indonesia for attempting to impose on their sovereignty.



lol......Indonesia want it all their own way....there military aid the people smugglers as previously reported, there is obsolutely nothing wrong with Australia standing it's ground.....after all the amount of Aid we supply to them is absurd, along with the amount of military training and support it's about time Australia stood up to them....
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I never understood this aid business. Does anyone know how much money we give to these "needy" countries which is basically a complete waste of tax payer $$$?
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I never understood this aid business. Does anyone know how much money we give to these "needy" countries which is basically a complete waste of tax payer $$$?




Aid to Indonesia - expected to be $647 million this financial year -

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fresh-government-demands-on-foreign-aid-recipients-could-backfire-20131106-2x0pf.html#ixzz2k0Ig3pC3
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Worrying signs on foreight policy with Indonesia now.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/midocean-standoff-as-australian-customs-vessel-tries-to-turn-back-asylum-seeker-boat-to-indonesia-20131107-2x4qs.html
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And this is what everyone knew would happen with Tony's "turn back the boats" scheme.

-PB

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paulbagzFC wrote:


And this is what everyone knew would happen with Tony's "turn back the boats" scheme.

-PB



what rubbish...it's proof of how Indonesia are not serious about taking care of their own responsibilities.....they are happy to pass the blame and problem onto australia....fark they even assist the people smugglers.......Fuck them...stick it right up their arse and cancel the Aid money...pack of self righteos parasites.......
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batfink wrote:
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Yeah, "greater cooperation". That's why the details of Julie Bishop's meeting with the Indonesians was "accidentally leaked". Tony Abbott was told to fuck off by Indonesia for attempting to impose on their sovereignty.



lol......Indonesia want it all their own way....there military aid the people smugglers as previously reported, there is obsolutely nothing wrong with Australia standing it's ground.....after all the amount of Aid we supply to them is absurd, along with the amount of military training and support it's about time Australia stood up to them....

Yeah, let's stand up to a country who could steamroll us if they wanted. Mate, if New Zealand came to us and told us what to do with our own territory we'd tell them to fuck right off as well.
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afromanGT wrote:
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Yeah, "greater cooperation". That's why the details of Julie Bishop's meeting with the Indonesians was "accidentally leaked". Tony Abbott was told to fuck off by Indonesia for attempting to impose on their sovereignty.



lol......Indonesia want it all their own way....there military aid the people smugglers as previously reported, there is obsolutely nothing wrong with Australia standing it's ground.....after all the amount of Aid we supply to them is absurd, along with the amount of military training and support it's about time Australia stood up to them....

Yeah, let's stand up to a country who could steamroll us if they wanted. Mate, if New Zealand came to us and told us what to do with our own territory we'd tell them to fuck right off as well.


Nobody is steam rolling Australia. I think someone has moved on from enjoying their own fiction to fantasies of John Marsden novels.
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notorganic wrote:
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batfink wrote:
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Yeah, "greater cooperation". That's why the details of Julie Bishop's meeting with the Indonesians was "accidentally leaked". Tony Abbott was told to fuck off by Indonesia for attempting to impose on their sovereignty.



lol......Indonesia want it all their own way....there military aid the people smugglers as previously reported, there is obsolutely nothing wrong with Australia standing it's ground.....after all the amount of Aid we supply to them is absurd, along with the amount of military training and support it's about time Australia stood up to them....

Yeah, let's stand up to a country who could steamroll us if they wanted. Mate, if New Zealand came to us and told us what to do with our own territory we'd tell them to fuck right off as well.


Nobody is steam rolling Australia. I think someone has moved on from enjoying their own fiction to fantasies of John Marsden novels.

You're awfully snide lately. It's not like they've got an army 14 times the size of Australia's or anything...

Indonesia are one of the fastest growing economies in asia, it would bode well for Australia to continue to placate them. And what country on earth, when told by another country what to do with its own territory wouldn't tell them to fuck off?
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afromanGT wrote:
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Yeah, "greater cooperation". That's why the details of Julie Bishop's meeting with the Indonesians was "accidentally leaked". Tony Abbott was told to fuck off by Indonesia for attempting to impose on their sovereignty.



lol......Indonesia want it all their own way....there military aid the people smugglers as previously reported, there is obsolutely nothing wrong with Australia standing it's ground.....after all the amount of Aid we supply to them is absurd, along with the amount of military training and support it's about time Australia stood up to them....

Yeah, let's stand up to a country who could steamroll us if they wanted. Mate, if New Zealand came to us and told us what to do with our own territory we'd tell them to fuck right off as well.



sorry i don't agree.....
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I thought he stopped the boats?
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afromanGT wrote:
notorganic wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
batfink wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
Yeah, "greater cooperation". That's why the details of Julie Bishop's meeting with the Indonesians was "accidentally leaked". Tony Abbott was told to fuck off by Indonesia for attempting to impose on their sovereignty.



lol......Indonesia want it all their own way....there military aid the people smugglers as previously reported, there is obsolutely nothing wrong with Australia standing it's ground.....after all the amount of Aid we supply to them is absurd, along with the amount of military training and support it's about time Australia stood up to them....

Yeah, let's stand up to a country who could steamroll us if they wanted. Mate, if New Zealand came to us and told us what to do with our own territory we'd tell them to fuck right off as well.


Nobody is steam rolling Australia. I think someone has moved on from enjoying their own fiction to fantasies of John Marsden novels.

You're awfully snide lately. It's not like they've got an army 14 times the size of Australia's or anything...

Indonesia are one of the fastest growing economies in asia, it would bode well for Australia to continue to placate them. And what country on earth, when told by another country what to do with its own territory wouldn't tell them to fuck off?



they need to be seen as doing the right thing just like any other nation...the fact they are whinging and whining is proof they do not want to meet there obligations.......or co-operate in stopping the people trafficers
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batfink wrote:
they need to be seen as doing the right thing just like any other nation...the fact they are whinging and whining is proof they do not want to meet there obligations.......or co-operate in stopping the people trafficers

Indonesia has 18,307 Islands with a coastline of 54,716km (according to The World Factbook). If you've got a practical way that they can patrol that, I'm sure they're more than willing to hear it.
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afromanGT wrote:
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they need to be seen as doing the right thing just like any other nation...the fact they are whinging and whining is proof they do not want to meet there obligations.......or co-operate in stopping the people trafficers

Indonesia has 18,307 Islands with a coastline of 54,716km (according to The World Factbook). If you've got a practical way that they can patrol that, I'm sure they're more than willing to hear it.

Having their military not actively assisting the people smugglers would be a good start....
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f1worldchamp wrote:
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they need to be seen as doing the right thing just like any other nation...the fact they are whinging and whining is proof they do not want to meet there obligations.......or co-operate in stopping the people trafficers

Indonesia has 18,307 Islands with a coastline of 54,716km (according to The World Factbook). If you've got a practical way that they can patrol that, I'm sure they're more than willing to hear it.

Having their military not actively assisting the people smugglers would be a good start....

Aside from 1 even in 2012 where 5 soldiers were arrested and charged, and unconfirmed reports from September of soldiers having involvement, there doesn't seem to be a lot of point to that argument.
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afromanGT wrote:
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they need to be seen as doing the right thing just like any other nation...the fact they are whinging and whining is proof they do not want to meet there obligations.......or co-operate in stopping the people trafficers

Indonesia has 18,307 Islands with a coastline of 54,716km (according to The World Factbook). If you've got a practical way that they can patrol that, I'm sure they're more than willing to hear it.

Having their military not actively assisting the people smugglers would be a good start....

Aside from 1 even in 2012 where 5 soldiers were arrested and charged, and unconfirmed reports from September of soldiers having involvement, there doesn't seem to be a lot of point to that argument.

Those are the ones we know about.
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Those are the ones we know about.

Guilty until proven guilty, right?
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afromanGT wrote:
f1worldchamp wrote:
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batfink wrote:
they need to be seen as doing the right thing just like any other nation...the fact they are whinging and whining is proof they do not want to meet there obligations.......or co-operate in stopping the people trafficers

Indonesia has 18,307 Islands with a coastline of 54,716km (according to The World Factbook). If you've got a practical way that they can patrol that, I'm sure they're more than willing to hear it.

Having their military not actively assisting the people smugglers would be a good start....

Aside from 1 even in 2012 where 5 soldiers were arrested and charged, and unconfirmed reports from September of soldiers having involvement, there doesn't seem to be a lot of point to that argument.


wake up afro.....if australian federal police can work it out from australia i'm sure the locals can.....ignorance is no excuse....
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afromanGT wrote:
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Those are the ones we know about.

Guilty until proven guilty, right?


similar to the catholic church...they all know the little boys are being diddled but no one stands up to face to ridicule and make the change....time for you silly bam bam ono the yo yo to get a spine and show some starch and stop the rhetoric.....
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