Can you blame them? Having Tony Abbott as the face of your organisation would be like having Mario Jardel as your marq-....oh.

No I didn't go to Oxford, then again I'm not running absurd personal commentaries on sometimes time at an institution I never frequented.

If you go to the rhodes scholarships for Australia website, it mentions scholars are chosen on the basis of 'exceptional intellect'. I'll say it again ''exceptional intellect'. You have to be smart to be a Rhodes scholar, it's not like you just send in your resume and they pull your name out of a hat. Maybe at melbourne university.

Why would we have a massive inferiority complex just for comparing ourselves to labor?:-s Clearly we enjoy comparing our record to their recent record because theirs is so terrible and it's fun exploiting your opponents failures and weaknesses. If anything we feel superior to labor folk well because they fuck everything up and leave gigantic messes for the liberals to have to come in and clean up.

In regards to batfinks comment he was making the point that the selling off of public assets is historically bipartisan and shouldn't be used as a pejorative against the Abbott government. It was an entirely legitimate point he made, nothing to do with feeling inferior to labor lol.

They're an African (Congo and Sudan respectively IIRC) family who met in a refugee camp. Horrible story really, but Australia gives them an excellent opportunity to enjoy live and give their kids a future.

And of course selection criteria back then wouldn't be different to now in any way shape or form. :lol:

Thousands don't get that opportunity because their visa spots are taken by boat people with dubious claims to refugee status.

Yeah back then I think they main selection criteria was eeny meeny miny moe. Thank god for the genius who invented the exam.

"Their" visa spot? Oh, I didn't realise it was possible for refugees to call ahead and book a visa.

All you need is $10k and a sob story

Seriously dude, no matter what right wing shock jocks tell you, that's simply not the case. Get out amongst these people, hear their stories and you'll learn so quickly how inhumane our government is towards the whole situation. The saddest part is that most of the politicians know better, but they're appealing to the uninformed voter.

+1

But it really is the case. Many have been waiting a long time for resettlement, sometimes 15-20 years, but Australia only accepts so many refugees every year ( even under Labor) and in recent years our quota taken out of refugee camps is down due to increased boat arrivals. I get these people have horrible stories and all, but there's 42 million or so who are in a similar plight and we can't help them all. Our politicians know better, and that is their duty is firstly towards its own citizens and country.

Do the Congo/Sudan refugees feel our government has been in humane towards them?

Nah Im sick of dumb cunts like you giving a dipshit personal spin on everything. I hate both political parties. Don't tell me how to think fuck tard.

Get raped by a cactus.

We can't help them all but we can help more than we do. Our attitude towards refugees is horrible. We have a shockingly low intake of refugees for a developed country.


No they don't. They walked out of the airport when they had a stop over here on a flight between an Israeli refugee camp and labour camp they had been sent to in Fiji. The government has helped them somewhat, but it's mostly been through refugee help organisations that they've found their feet in Australia. However, they are absolutely shocked at the attitude of the government when it comes to 'boat people' and refugees in general.

I don't think anybody could tell you how to think, you seem incapable of it at the best of times.

You and I have different attitudes towards our governments contribution to refugees. I see our overall contribution as being very good. We rank 2nd in he world in terms of resettling refugees per capita and 3rd overall. Although some countries accept higher number of refugees, they are unable to provide for them in any meaningful way and many languish on the streets or in refugee camps in worse conditions than detention centres. They don't get access to education, healthcare, employment or permanent resettlement, so by comparison our treatment or refugees is world class.
I suppose it doesn't matter how many we accept or provide as long as we're turning vulnerable people away people will accuse us of being horrible, but the facts don't lie, when it comes to refugees we are amongst the worlds most generous.

I posted a link to an article which quoted various sources and even linked to UNCHR saying that Australia is ranked 49th and you're still trotting out that bullshit? Fuck me.

I got my statistics from the refugee council of Australia.

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/r/stat-int.php
No you didn't. You're so fucking full of shit your eyes are brown. Australia is ranked 49th overall and 62nd per capita.

Just...shut up rusty. Seriously.

Read the fine print way down the bottom. Between 93 and 2011 we've permanently resettled over 200,000 refugees, the 3rd highest of any country. After us are Sweden right down the toilet with about 30,000. We could choose not to permanently resettle refugees and therefore artificially inflate our temporary intake but resettlement is by far the more humanitarian deed even though it might not get us as much kudos from the cynical likes of yourself.
See once a refugee applicant has been declared a bona fide refugee and granted citizenship they are no longer classified as a refugee for statistical purposes.

Fuck up, afro. I thought you were off to your corners to cry like the bitch you are?

What a comeback. If you hadn't used it multiple times tonight it would almost seem clever. But you couldn't help but reinforce my original point I guess.

Edited by afromanGT: 12/11/2013 11:03:00 PM

Rusty absolutely torn apart and utterly dismissed by Afro.

Ok, so according to your stated source (link above) and given that from 2001-2012 there were 74,437 applications for asylum from refugees, and Australia has a less than 100% grant rate (It's more like 45% for boat people, and 95% for non-boat arrivals, so let's say 75% approval for arguments' sake) that's around 55,000 people resettling in the country over the last 10 years.

So what you're trying to tell me is that either in the previous decade 150,000 immigrants were resettled in Australia and Australia's refugee intake has dropped by a whopping 66% when globally displaced people has increased 22% from 2001 according to UNHCR.

Or alternatively that you're wrong again. Let's go with that.

Edited by afromanGT: 13/11/2013 12:35:18 AM

oh poor you with the chip on his shoulder....oh poor me.....i hate cops......i hate politicians....i hate life....i hate you.....i hate me......i hate the world.....
i hate hate....i just hate....cause it's such a hard word.....hate hate hate hate hate.....

sorry you maladjusted dolt.....someone needs to access your mental state of stupidity....
lay off the cones or meth and stop attending the hate classes.......your poor sad tard:-({|= :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= :-({|=

oh yeah...hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate........

watch out Afro you might go on the HATE list.....

it's an awfully long hate list.....;) ;) ;) ;)

this is exactly what i crap on about with notorganic about statistics being manipulated.....in the current debate here between Afro & rusty both could be deemed as being right depending on what section of the tables in the refugee council stats you look....

just check the small print under the tables to qualify the figures and it's plain to see they are both right and both wrong.....

incorrect