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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-06/cory-bernardi-says-pro-choice-is-pro-death/5183852

Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi hits out at 'pro-death' abortion, step-families, IR laws
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By political reporter Latika Bourke, staff
Updated 1 hour 2 minutes ago

One of Tony Abbott's backbenchers has accused some women of using abortion as "an abhorrent form of birth control" and labelled those who advocate pro-choice as "pro-death".

Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi has made the comments in his new book, The Conservative Revolution, in which he also calls for more flexible industrial relations laws, including a return to individual workplace agreements whereby penalty rates can be negotiated away.

The Federal Opposition is now urging Prime Minister Tony Abbott to completely disassociate himself from Senator Bernardi's "extraordinary reactionary agenda".

In his book Senator Bernardi rails against non-traditional families, surrogacy and euthanasia and calls on fellow conservatives to help to reverse the trends in social acceptance of changing attitudes.

It is "horrendous and unacceptable" that the abortion "death industry despatches 80,000 to 100,000 unborn children [in Australia] every year," Senator Bernardi writes.

"The political pressure from the left has ushered us into a morbid new world. It is not enough to stop the trend. What is needed is a reversal back to sanity and reason."

The number of Medicare rebates processed for abortions between July 2012 and June 2013 is 60,245.

Speaking to ABC News Breakfast, Senator Bernardi defended his figures on abortion, saying they are based on evidence given by previous health ministers and Senate estimates.

"It's a lot and I don't know anyone in this country that wants to see more abortions; in fact, I think most people would like to see less abortions," Senator Bernardi said.

"I think we need to start to investigate measures and ways in which we can assist in that regard."

Senator Bernardi says the discussion about abortion being a woman's right has been shut down and it needs to be re-opened.

"The question is for everyone in this debate, is where does life begin?" he said.

"For me it's at conception, for other people it is 24 week of gestation, others say it's not until the child is born and a sentient being, some weeks after birth.

"I haven't said we should outlaw or prohibit abortion; I have said there is a right-to-life issue we should be exploring."

Step-families, single parents, surrogate parents singled out for criticism

Senator Bernardi's essay sets out five founding pillars for a "conservative revolution", including restoring the traditional family model to what he says should be its "prime position" over other family types like step-families, same-sex and single families, as well as couples with children born via surrogacy.

"Given the increasing number of 'non-traditional' families, there is a temptation to equate all family structures as being equal or relative," he writes.

"Why then the levels of criminality among boys and promiscuity among girls who are brought up in single-parent families, more often than not headed by a single mother?

"What is missing in the push for human cloning, in vitro fertilisation and surrogacy, for example, is the understanding that children come into families as gifts, not commodities.

"It is perfectly reasonable and rational therefore for the state, if it is to have a role in social policy and the affairs of marriage, to reinforce and entrench those aspects of traditional marriage that work, not undermine them and promote 'alternatives' which have led to social chaos.

"Competent social policy should be drafted by those who understand the primacy of natural law and who are able to see patterns in society."

Senator Bernardi told News Breakfast that the "gold standard" for children's development comes from having a biological mother and father who are married.

He says his book is about fighting the tyranny of political correctness and he says politicians must be prepared to discuss controversial ideas.

Senator Bernardi says his views are not far right, they are "enduring views".

He says his ideas are only controversial according to some elements of the media.

"These are traditional views that have stood the test of time and been developed over successive generations," he said.

"You can't tamper with tradition and not expect there to be adverse consequences.

"I'm making the case about why we should be preserving and protecting these institutions because I think they are important for the future prosperity of our country."

Greens, Islam threatening Christian values; Red Cross breakfasts for kids undermining parental responsibility

He also advocates removing Government welfare designed to assist children from families that experience a breakdown, arguing programs like the Red Cross's Good Start Breakfast Club remove parental responsibility and create a mentality that the state will provide.

Senator Bernardi also laments the absence of religion in politics and its diminished role in society, saying it has left Australia bereft of direction.

"I believe that by stripping God and religious principles from our culture (and our politics) we have become a nation which does not know which port it is sailing to," Senator Bernardi writes.

He argues there are two great threats to faith, and specifically Christianity: the "green agenda" which he believes places plant and animal life above humanity; and Islam, which he says is fundamentally incompatible with the Western way of life.

Comments come from one-time confidante of Prime Minister

Senator Bernardi is an influential member of the Liberal party's right-wing and has been a confidante of the prime minister, serving as Mr Abbott's parliamentary secretary in Opposition until he was demoted in 2012 for a speech in which he said gay marriage could lead to acceptance of bestiality.

His comments are bound to cause controversy for the Prime Minister, who in recent weeks has backed cabinet minister and prominent moderate Malcolm Turnbull in an internal dispute with the South Australian Senator over Mr Turnbull's public support for gay marriage.

Senator Bernardi says he could not comment on what Mr Abbott knows about the views expressed in his book.

In her infamous "blue ties" speech, delivered shortly before she was dumped as prime minister, Julia Gillard warned that "men in blue ties" would seek to make abortion rights their "plaything" if the Coalition won office.

That prompted Mr Abbott to pledge the Coalition had no plans for any change in the area.

Labor frontbencher Anthony Albanese says Senator Bernardi's comments are "an offensive contribution to the policy debate".

"[Senator Bernardi] says that he's pro-freedom but he's against women's right to control their own bodies," Mr Albanese said.

"He says he's pro-religion but he's against any religion that isn't the same as his. He says he's pro individual rights, but in his advocacy of WorkChoices he would take us back to the Howard era that saw division in the workplace and saw workers discriminated against and rights being taken away.

"He says he's pro-family, but he's against any family that doesn't resemble his depiction of what a family is."

Mr Albanese is calling on Mr Abbott to respond.

"It's now up to Tony Abbott to completely dissociate himself from Mr Bernardi," he said.

Call to give employers free hand to hire and fire

The Coalition has been mute on workplace relations changes ever since John Howard's ill-fated Workchoices, which contributed to the Liberals' defeat in 2007.

Mr Abbott has reiterated that Workchoices is "dead, buried and cremated" during the two subsequent election campaigns, but Senator Bernardi says some parts of Mr Howard's laws warrant resurrection.

"Surely an employee should be free to negotiate an acceptable workplace agreement directly with their employer... free from government or union interference," he writes.

"Small business needs to be empowered to hire and fire employees free of illegitimate government interference."

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As a child of a single parent home I abhor what that douche bag said .
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I support Cory Bernardi's right to have shit opinions, and my own right to consider him a reprehensible pile of trash for them.
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notorganic wrote:
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Thats' 1996, not 1970 if you missed it the first time.

Did not receive single cent when my son was born, and I think we received about $250 in Family Payment PER YEAR.

Its funny how FOR *YOUR* generation life is oh so, so so much harder..

Let's put this into context:
- since 1960 the average annual individual salary has gone up just over 400%
- the average house price has gone up 1050%
- inflation has gone up 687%
- and in the mid 90's Australia's population was in negative growth, experiencing fewer births than any time in the country's history. Hence the introduction of child bonuses.
- So that's a total increase in living of over 1700% compared to an increase in income of 400%

Tell me again how much easier Gen Y has it.


I don't think you can blame Gen X for your choice of career that most people stop doing in their teens in favour of a real job that is secure and pays well enough where they can afford a house.

Oh what a surprise that you're being a fucking arsehole again. My job is irrelevant to the aforementioned figures. My occupation has nothing to do with the increase in housing and inflation being 4 times that of the annual salary.
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Government mulls lifeboats plan for intercepted asylum seekers

January 7, 2014 - 5:43PM

David Wroe
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Asylum seekers intercepted on unseaworthy boats could be sent back to Indonesia on large, engine-powered lifeboats, in an escalation of the Abbott government’s turn-back policy.

Fairfax Media has learnt the government is buying up to 16 hard-hulled lifeboats – similar to those carried by cruiseships and oil tankers – to which asylum seekers can be transferred and returned to Indonesia if their own vessels are unseaworthy.


The revelations came as Indonesian police said Australia had turned back two asylum-seeker boats in recent weeks, prompting Jakarta to once again voice its condemnation of the policy.

Defence sources said the purchase of lifeboats was designed to thwart the tactic of using rickety fishing vessels and sabotaging them at sea, leaving Australian border protection authorities no choice but to rescue them.

When a boat is intercepted, the asylum-seekers could be transferred on to the lifeboats close to Indonesian waters with enough fuel and supplies to reach land.

The high-visibility, engine-powered lifeboats, which have roofs, can carry dozens of passengers, and food and water for at least a week.

In a stand-off at sea in November, Indonesia refused to take back an asylum-seeker vessel on the grounds that it was unseaworthy.

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison refused to confirm or deny the purchase of the lifeboats, citing the need to "protect the security of our operations".

The Abbott government also maintained its silence over claims that Australia had turned back at least one asylum-seeker boat to Indonesia in recent weeks, in a move that could increase tensions.

A Defence source confirmed to Fairfax Media reports in the Indonesian press that a boat had been turned back. The source said the frigate HMAS Stuart carried out the turn-back in the past week.

The asylum seekers aboard the boat were given life jackets and communications equipment.

Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa, while refusing to comment on any turn-backs, repeated Jakarta’s general condemnation of the policy on Tuesday.

"The policy itself, the so-called tow-back (policy) – let me put it once more on the record: our rejection of such policy is because it’s not a conducive and comprehensive solution to the issue," he said.

Indonesian water police told Fairfax Media that two boats had been turned back, one on Monday and one on December 19. The sources said a boat turned back on Monday carried 45 passengers, 36 male and nine female, mostly from Africa though with several from the Middle East. Another boat turned back just before Christmas carried 48 asylum seekers from Somalia, Sudan, Eritrea and Iran.

Both were found at Rote Island, Indonesia’s southernmost point.

Rote police chief Hidayat told Fairfax Media: "The asylum seekers’ boat was stranded near a small village called Lengu Tepu, around 4am yesterday ... They were rescued by the locals, because the boat engines were dead. The boat now is a wreckage, near some reefs."

Dr Natalegawa said he believed relations between Australia and Indonesia would return to normal following stoushes over asylum seekers and revelations that Australian spies targeted the phones of senior Indonesian leaders.

With Karuni Rompies, Amilia Rosa

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/government-mulls-lifeboats-plan-for-intercepted-asylum-seekers-20140107-30f8v.html#ixzz2piLwPUy0
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Australian vessels invading the sovereignty of Indonesia?

Good policy, guys. I'm sure it will go swimmingly.
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A show of macho don't fuck with me from Tony. Great going Tony Make us look more fucked up
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Scoll wrote:
I support Cory Bernardi's right to have shit opinions, and my own right to consider him a reprehensible pile of trash for them.


+1

Reading that article made me feel ill
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jparraga wrote:
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I support Cory Bernardi's right to have shit opinions, and my own right to consider him a reprehensible pile of trash for them.


+1

Reading that article made me feel ill

I actually don't mind Cory Bernardi. Don't get me wrong, I think his policies and opinions are fucktarded but having extremes in politics gets shit done. Parties are forced to come out with positive policy to rival his drivel instead of just slagging each other off. It also unites people against a common enemy. That enemy being him.
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Government mulls lifeboats plan for intercepted asylum seekers

"Hey, the asylum seekers can't make it to Australia because their boats aren't nautically sound...I know, let's give them better boats so they can try again!"

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http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-09/kevin-rudd-27soliloquy27-put-former-us-secretary-robert-gates/5192300

Robert Gates is doing what we're all thinking
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Just as well that we have global worming climate change otherwise the cold snap catastrophe across the globe we are experiencing would have ended in an Ice Age.

In the middle of southern hemisphere summer icebreaker with climate change scientist on it got stranded in Antarctica for two weeks while in the northern hemisphere, polar bears had to be kept inside in Zoo’s across the USA and Niagara Falls are frozen.

My question for the climate change scientist and their Apostol’s is how much the man-made climate change has increased the global temperature and how much Carbon tax we in Australia have to pay to decrease it?

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Just as well that we have global worming climate change otherwise the cold snap catastrophe across the globe we are experiencing would have ended in an Ice Age.



Some places of the world are colder than others, while others are warmer than others

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The Climate Change alarmist told us that the polar caps are going to melt and we will have beach front houses in Bathurst, some costal properties pay astronomical insurance rates due to these reports and we in Australia pay Carbon Tax for this lunacy introduced by Labor, policy that has destroyed manufacturing in this country (more manufacturing jobs are leaving our shores than new ones created).

How stupid did Bill Shorten and Penny Wang look the other day defending their decision to block the scraping of the Carbon Tax because Australia had the hottest year a temperature increase by 1.2*C.

Purpose to introduce Carbon Tax was to decrease the global warming. Well how much did the globe worm up looking at these pictures from Antarctica, North America and Europe?


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Someone denying climate change because it's cold that day is the same as someone standing on the front of the Titanic and denying it's sinking: "Nonsense we're sinking! Look! We've risen 200 metres into the air!"
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No12 wrote:
The Climate Change alarmist told us that the polar caps are going to melt and we will have beach front houses in Bathurst, some costal properties pay astronomical insurance rates due to these reports and we in Australia pay Carbon Tax for this lunacy introduced by Labor, policy that has destroyed manufacturing in this country (more manufacturing jobs are leaving our shores than new ones created).

How stupid did Bill Shorten and Penny Wang look the other day defending their decision to block the scraping of the Carbon Tax because Australia had the hottest year a temperature increase by 1.2*C.

Purpose to introduce Carbon Tax was to decrease the global warming. Well how much did the globe worm up looking at these pictures from Antarctica, North America and Europe?



Yeah funny how record hot temperatures proves how real global warming is but record cold temperatures doesn't prove anything, they argue is the selective cherry picking of data. Real funny
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Good to see the fine examples of Poes Law in action on this page.
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rusty wrote:
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The Climate Change alarmist told us that the polar caps are going to melt and we will have beach front houses in Bathurst, some costal properties pay astronomical insurance rates due to these reports and we in Australia pay Carbon Tax for this lunacy introduced by Labor, policy that has destroyed manufacturing in this country (more manufacturing jobs are leaving our shores than new ones created).

How stupid did Bill Shorten and Penny Wang look the other day defending their decision to block the scraping of the Carbon Tax because Australia had the hottest year a temperature increase by 1.2*C.

Purpose to introduce Carbon Tax was to decrease the global warming. Well how much did the globe worm up looking at these pictures from Antarctica, North America and Europe?



Yeah funny how record hot temperatures proves how real global warming is but record cold temperatures doesn't prove anything, they argue is the selective cherry picking of data. Real funny

Do you even understand how the greenhouse effect works? Y'know, the whole EXTREMES in temperature thing?

Yeah, a cold snap IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY in NORTH AMERICA proves that Climate Change is false.

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afromanGT wrote:
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No12 wrote:
The Climate Change alarmist told us that the polar caps are going to melt and we will have beach front houses in Bathurst, some costal properties pay astronomical insurance rates due to these reports and we in Australia pay Carbon Tax for this lunacy introduced by Labor, policy that has destroyed manufacturing in this country (more manufacturing jobs are leaving our shores than new ones created).

How stupid did Bill Shorten and Penny Wang look the other day defending their decision to block the scraping of the Carbon Tax because Australia had the hottest year a temperature increase by 1.2*C.

Purpose to introduce Carbon Tax was to decrease the global warming. Well how much did the globe worm up looking at these pictures from Antarctica, North America and Europe?



Yeah funny how record hot temperatures proves how real global warming is but record cold temperatures doesn't prove anything, they argue is the selective cherry picking of data. Real funny

Do you even understand how the greenhouse effect works? Y'know, the whole EXTREMES in temperature thing?

Yeah, a cold snap IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY in NORTH AMERICA proves that Climate Change is false.



Looks like you got your climate change and political knowledge from South Park and Futurama episodes, very appropriate for your intelligence level.

Labor party introduced Carbon Tax against voters will and stopped the scraping of it in the senate against the voters will again (Tony Abbott won the election on that promise).

Labor could not fix own party leadership issues, so you believe that they are capable of understanding climate change patterns over the next 100 years and by paying tax this will be fixed.

So far most Global Worming predictions were totally opposite to what we were told.

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Labor party introduced Carbon Tax against voters will and stopped the scraping of it in the senate against the voters will again (Tony Abbott won the election on that promise).

The "promise that tony abbott won the election on" changes depending on what dickhead policy the idiot LNP fanboys are arguing over. Last week it was immigration policies, today it's climate change, tomorrow it will be the NBN.

Never mind that Australia is the laughing stock of the international community, being the only industrialised nation not to send a delegate to the IPCC.

LNP can't even do basic fucking maths, if Labor's leadership problems are grounds to dismiss their stance on climate change then there's absolutely no fucking way on god's green earth that the LNP have any chance of remotely comprehending climate change.

Global Warming predicions state that the average global temperatures are going to increase significantly over the next 100 years, so mankind reduces atmospheric emissions, and subsequently scientists find that the increase in temperatures has slowed - and you conclude that Climate Change is a myth.

It gets seasonally cold in the middle of winter in northern america and you conclude that there's no such thing as global warming. That's like seeing that your house's window is broken and concluding that you haven't been robbed because the front door isn't open.
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paladisious wrote:
Someone denying climate change because it's cold that day is the same as someone standing on the front of the Titanic and denying it's sinking: "Nonsense we're sinking! Look! We've risen 200 metres into the air!"


This.
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Hold on, so are we still calling it Global Warming, or do we call it Climate Change now? Or does it depend on what season it is?

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afromanGT wrote:
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Labor party introduced Carbon Tax against voters will and stopped the scraping of it in the senate against the voters will again (Tony Abbott won the election on that promise).

The "promise that tony abbott won the election on" changes depending on what dickhead policy the idiot LNP fanboys are arguing over. Last week it was immigration policies, today it's climate change, tomorrow it will be the NBN.

Never mind that Australia is the laughing stock of the international community, being the only industrialised nation not to send a delegate to the IPCC.

LNP can't even do basic fucking maths, if Labor's leadership problems are grounds to dismiss their stance on climate change then there's absolutely no fucking way on god's green earth that the LNP have any chance of remotely comprehending climate change.

Global Warming predicions state that the average global temperatures are going to increase significantly over the next 100 years, so mankind reduces atmospheric emissions, and subsequently scientists find that the increase in temperatures has slowed - and you conclude that Climate Change is a myth.

It gets seasonally cold in the middle of winter in northern america and you conclude that there's no such thing as global warming. That's like seeing that your house's window is broken and concluding that you haven't been robbed because the front door isn't open.



Basically Tony Abbot got in to the government due to all the Labor failed policies
Taking no part was a great move and Australia was not the only country not present, Global warming is a hoax and has to be exposed for what it is. I’ll give you some points why alarmist are proven to be wrong:
•   Man is only responsible for 3% carbon emissions, 97% is from oceans and nature
•   One Vulcan eruption in a day can pollute more than entire Australian population in a year
•   Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant, it is what we bread out and is vital for flora
•   Entire Global Worming theory is based on computer modeling and the model is proven to be wrong
•   Tim Flannery predicted we will not see rain, thank God he is gone and his entire department

It would help you if you step out of the entire left orientated media circle and get a balanced opinion, read The Galileo Movement-Scientific Untruths - In A Nutshell

Sometimes I wonder how do you all get home turning only to the left.

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No12 wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
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Labor party introduced Carbon Tax against voters will and stopped the scraping of it in the senate against the voters will again (Tony Abbott won the election on that promise).

The "promise that tony abbott won the election on" changes depending on what dickhead policy the idiot LNP fanboys are arguing over. Last week it was immigration policies, today it's climate change, tomorrow it will be the NBN.

Never mind that Australia is the laughing stock of the international community, being the only industrialised nation not to send a delegate to the IPCC.

LNP can't even do basic fucking maths, if Labor's leadership problems are grounds to dismiss their stance on climate change then there's absolutely no fucking way on god's green earth that the LNP have any chance of remotely comprehending climate change.

Global Warming predicions state that the average global temperatures are going to increase significantly over the next 100 years, so mankind reduces atmospheric emissions, and subsequently scientists find that the increase in temperatures has slowed - and you conclude that Climate Change is a myth.

It gets seasonally cold in the middle of winter in northern america and you conclude that there's no such thing as global warming. That's like seeing that your house's window is broken and concluding that you haven't been robbed because the front door isn't open.




•   Entire Global Worming theory is based on computer modeling and the model is proven to be wrong


Are you also a person who rejects evolution because macro evolution has a few holes in theory?

Models are based on the best available data input. If you expect the model to be full-proof you really need to broaden your understanding of how science works.
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No12 wrote:
Labor party introduced Carbon Tax against voters will and stopped the scraping of it in the senate against the voters will again (Tony Abbott won the election on that promise).

No12, 3 posts later wrote:
Basically Tony Abbot got in to the government due to all the Labor failed policies


Make up your fucking mind champ.
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Global warming is a hoax

You sir, are a fucking moron.
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Captain Haddock wrote:
Hold on, so are we still calling it Global Warming, or do we call it Climate Change now? Or does it depend on what season it is?


That title was changed by the alarmist as they realized the planet is not worming based on the data for the last 16 years
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No12 wrote:
Captain Haddock wrote:
Hold on, so are we still calling it Global Warming, or do we call it Climate Change now? Or does it depend on what season it is?


That title was changed by the alarmist as they realized the planet is not worming based on the data for the last 16 years


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"All you do is personally attack"
"You sir, are a fucking moron"

/Afro logic.
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