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benelsmore wrote:afromanGT wrote:Funky Munky wrote:afromanGT wrote:People keep raising the point about "If it's part time there's still plenty of time to job hunt" but that's not the real issue.
If you get called up for a group job interview the same time you're meant to be doing WFTD you can't be like "no, sorry, I have WTFD can you schedule it another time?" you just miss out on the job or forfeit your dole payments. Uuhh what. That's not what happens at all. You contact your WFTD place, or your JSA, and you say you have a Job Interview, and then you go to the interview. Then you can just make up the WFTD hours later. Had this exact situation occur a couple of weeks ago. The idea they'd cut your dole payments for trying to get work :lol:. The last time I had to deal with centerlink I had to spend over 2 hours on the phone just waiting to talk to a person. Then I get told that the person I'm talking to doesn't have the power to reschedule my appointment. I go back into the queue. Another hour later and I finally talk to another person, only to be told I can't reschedule. Granted this was 5 years ago when I'd just started at Crown, but being a government organisation I doubt much has changed. I know standard response is "It's not like they have anything else to do" when they're unemployed but nobody wants to spend three hours on the phone. No offence but ANYONE who complains about their free money deserves f*cking nothing. People bitch about centrelink all the time on my Facebook saying their child payments didn't come through or they had to wait on the phone for too long. Suck it up delicate beings. They tend to get shitty at my response of "if you needed centrelink to raise a child why did you have one?" It's not "free money". It's meant to be subsidising your income while you're searching for work. You're basically being paid to find a job. This "free money" attitude you have is bullshit. And nobody should be forced to sit on the phone for 3+ hours listening to their shitty hold music in order to make ends meet. Listening to the same 6 bars of music over and over for 3 hours (probably 500 odd times) is absolute torture. Quote:What if WFTD becomes flexible. As in say work 20 hours a week? Interviewers don't ring up demanding an interview within 24 hours, its unprofessional. Bullshit. I've had numerous offers for interviews on the same day, the next day. If you're interviewing for customer service or hospitality based jobs they want to take you on ASAP.
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afromanGT wrote:benelsmore wrote:afromanGT wrote:Funky Munky wrote:afromanGT wrote:People keep raising the point about "If it's part time there's still plenty of time to job hunt" but that's not the real issue.
If you get called up for a group job interview the same time you're meant to be doing WFTD you can't be like "no, sorry, I have WTFD can you schedule it another time?" you just miss out on the job or forfeit your dole payments. Uuhh what. That's not what happens at all. You contact your WFTD place, or your JSA, and you say you have a Job Interview, and then you go to the interview. Then you can just make up the WFTD hours later. Had this exact situation occur a couple of weeks ago. The idea they'd cut your dole payments for trying to get work :lol:. The last time I had to deal with centerlink I had to spend over 2 hours on the phone just waiting to talk to a person. Then I get told that the person I'm talking to doesn't have the power to reschedule my appointment. I go back into the queue. Another hour later and I finally talk to another person, only to be told I can't reschedule. Granted this was 5 years ago when I'd just started at Crown, but being a government organisation I doubt much has changed. I know standard response is "It's not like they have anything else to do" when they're unemployed but nobody wants to spend three hours on the phone. No offence but ANYONE who complains about their free money deserves f*cking nothing. People bitch about centrelink all the time on my Facebook saying their child payments didn't come through or they had to wait on the phone for too long. Suck it up delicate beings. They tend to get shitty at my response of "if you needed centrelink to raise a child why did you have one?" It's not "free money". It's meant to be subsidising your income while you're searching for work. You're basically being paid to find a job. This "free money" attitude you have is bullshit. And nobody should be forced to sit on the phone for 3+ hours listening to their shitty hold music in order to make ends meet. Listening to the same 6 bars of music over and over for 3 hours (probably 500 odd times) is absolute torture. Quote:What if WFTD becomes flexible. As in say work 20 hours a week? Interviewers don't ring up demanding an interview within 24 hours, its unprofessional. Bullshit. I've had numerous offers for interviews on the same day, the next day. If you're interviewing for customer service or hospitality based jobs they want to take you on ASAP. Exactly it's a help hand until you find something else, at the expense of everyone else. I'm calling it what it is. You can dress it up any way you like but the facts remain the same. It's a burden on the tax payer. Should they put more staff on a greater expense to the tax payer? When I applied at Subway years ago I had an interview three days later. It's called being organised. Realising a need and demanding an interview same/next day is unprofessional. What about mothers/fathers/students who have commitments preventing them from dropping everything? If the WFTD system is flexible then interviews can be accommodated if scheduled professionally.
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afromanGT
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Quote:Exactly it's a help hand until you find something else, at the expense of everyone else. I'm calling it what it is. You can dress it up any way you like but the facts remain the same. It's a burden on the tax payer. The number of people who would be homeless without it would be a bigger burden. Why don't you move to one of the neo-fascist states already? You'd have far less to complain about. I hear Greece is doing really well following your attitudes. Quote:Should they put more staff on a greater expense to the tax payer? Yes. When a government organisation is inadequate in its capacity you're meant to fix it, not go "well, this is a burden on the taxpayers so too fucking bad." Healthcare is a burden on the taxpayer. Let's say "fuck it" so you can feel better about your tax dollars being put to something useful like...uh...um... Well...if the well being of your fellow citizens isn't worth investing in then what is? Quote: Realising a need and demanding an interview same/next day is unprofessional If you post a job advert and after 2 weeks receive a resume which is up to standard you're going to get them in for an interview ASAP. Not wait around for 4 days trying to cover being short-staffed in order to preferentially convenience someone who may or may not get the job. Edited by afromanGT: 31/1/2014 05:37:11 PM
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433 wrote:ITT: Irrational Abbot bashing based on anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence.... from his own mouth?
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afromanGT wrote:The number of people who would be homeless without it would be a bigger burden. Why don't you move to one of the neo-fascist states already? You'd have far less to complain about. I hear Greece is doing really well following your attitudes.
There's enough homeless people, what's the dole doing for them? Having a permanent safety net in place is no encouragement for people to actively seek work. Make them study and generate workplace relationships to get these people work, even subsidise their pay for 6 months once trained to reduce the burden. I want to see a long term benefit to welfare and not long-term dependence. Obviously you seem to think differently? :lol: Greece? yes because removing a lot of welfare caused their financial crisis. They're fucked because their debt-GDP ratio is shite. afromanGT wrote: Yes. When a government organisation is inadequate in its capacity you're meant to fix it, not go "well, this is a burden on the taxpayers so too fucking bad."
It's not inadequate it's just inefficient. If people didn't ring up because they can't budget and need their welfare in their account on the minute, maybe they'd have more time for other enquiries (obvious joke). All government organisations are inefficient. You're just pissed because you spent an age on the phone :lol: afromanGT wrote: Healthcare is a burden on the taxpayer. Let's say "fuck it" so you can feel better about your tax dollars being put to something useful like...uh...um... Well...if the well being of your fellow citizens isn't worth investing in then what is?
Yes well I have little sympathy for smokers, drinkers and over-eaters/under exercisers. Our healthcare system is also a shambles! afromanGT wrote: If you post a job advert and after 2 weeks receive a resume which is up to standard you're going to get them in for an interview ASAP. Not wait around for 4 days trying to cover being short-staffed in order to preferentially convenience someone who may or may not get the job.
You also didn't answer the question you just repeated yourself. What about people who have dependencies they can't drop because a retail/hospitality manager can't organise their staff? Edited by benelsmore: 31/1/2014 05:56:25 PM
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Abbott point dumping to go ahead. Terrible. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Abbott point dumping to go ahead.
Terrible.
-PB Isn't the area already a shipping-way?
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Quote:You also didn't answer the question you just repeated yourself. What about people who have dependencies they can't drop because a retail/hospitality manager can't organise their staff? How does the prior scenario reflect the manager's ability to organise staff? It fucking doesn't. benelsmore wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Abbott point dumping to go ahead.
Terrible.
-PB Isn't the area already a shipping-way? Indeed there is. But they're significantly expanding the capacity of the port and in doing so are going to dredge and leave the spoil near the Barrier Reef, ignoring bulk expert opinion that this will have serious environmental implications. Re: WFTD: Scrap any connotations of the two being connected. Make Newstart allowance a 3 month program where if you're still unemployed at the end of the 3 months you go into some form of "national service" for 12 months where you're paid double what Newstart is (still less than minimum wage, but a more realistic pay), work 4 days a week and spend 1 day a week in the classroom getting accompanying qualifications. Given an array of working options like for Australia Post and getting things like a Forklift licence or in Aged Care and some form of nursing qualifications, working for councils and getting landscaping training, or taking a position in the military.
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:You also didn't answer the question you just repeated yourself. What about people who have dependencies they can't drop because a retail/hospitality manager can't organise their staff? How does the prior scenario reflect the manager's ability to organise staff? It fucking doesn't. benelsmore wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:Abbott point dumping to go ahead.
Terrible.
-PB Isn't the area already a shipping-way? Indeed there is. But they're significantly expanding the capacity of the port and in doing so are going to dredge and leave the spoil near the Barrier Reef, ignoring bulk expert opinion that this will have serious environmental implications. Re: WFTD: Scrap any connotations of the two being connected. Make Newstart allowance a 3 month program where if you're still unemployed at the end of the 3 months you go into some form of "national service" for 12 months where you're paid double what Newstart is (still less than minimum wage, but a more realistic pay), work 4 days a week and spend 1 day a week in the classroom getting accompanying qualifications. Given an array of working options like for Australia Post and getting things like a Forklift licence or in Aged Care and some form of nursing qualifications, working for councils and getting landscaping training, or taking a position in the military. A healthy dose of Uni students often assists as a stop-gap solution until new staff can be hired and trained. By the sounds of it i'd hate to be a single mum looking for a job. I'd want full time care in case a prospective employer rang me up saying lets have an interview in 4 hours be here or you get nothing :lol: I agree with your WTFD scenario. Seems very reasonable and purposeful.
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Quote:A healthy dose of Uni students often assists as a stop-gap solution until new staff can be hired and trained. By the sounds of it i'd hate to be a single mum looking for a job. I'd want full time care in case a prospective employer rang me up saying lets have an interview in 4 hours be here or you get nothing If you're a single mum you're probably not going to be working in Hospo or CS because they require you to work hours when you need to be looking after your Child(ren). Edited by afromanGT: 1/2/2014 06:39:13 PM
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[size=7] If The PM's Attacks On The ABC Sound Familiar, Perhaps It's Because His Mentor, BA Santamaria, Said It All 29 Years Ago[/size] Quote:BA “Bob” Santamaria is often described as Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s first great political mentor, and the PM acknowledged, in his inaugural parliamentary speech 20 years ago, that the Catholic conservative and founder of the DLP and National Civic Council first sparked his interest in politics. Back in the 1960s James Packer’s grandfather, Sir Frank, gave Santamaria a TV slot called Point of View, which gave him the chance to expound on a range of subjects, including the national broadcaster. Thanks to the wonders of modern technology, this clip from 1985 survives on YouTube. In it, Santamaria begins “One of the more intractable problems to be handled by the federal Government… is that of the ABC,” going on to quote the then Prime Minister, Bob Hawke, as saying “There is a pattern of bias in the ABC.” Interestingly, Santamaria says the ABC is on a budget of $400 million. Back then it ran one TV station and a radio network that included a decade-old NSW-based youth station, 2JJJ. Now the ABC runs four domestic TV stations, plus five national radio stations and a strong online presence. It does it on a budget of $830 million, plus $193m for transmission. So much for efficiency. In the six surviving minutes of this Point of View, Santamaria rails against the ABC for paying to help the “de facto and homosexual” partners of staff relocate, and claims the broadcaster is a “protagonist of aberrant sexual practices” and “extreme” left-wing views. The broadcaster was notorious for “envenoming” Australia’s relationship with Indonesia, particularly over East Timor, he claims. The ABC is in chaos and should be abolished, he argues, to stop its left-wing “cultural monopoly”. “There is no governmental solutions to the problems the ABC presents, since every federal Government, whatever its complexion, has found itself completely impotent to handle this problem,” Santamaria says, building to a crescendo before the recording is regrettably cut short. If it wasn’t three decades ago, you’d swear you’re having deja vu. Watch Bob’s two bob’s worth below. [youtube]XLoZalF29JY[/youtube] Hat tip to David Bridie for making me aware of the clip. Thanks also to @FlemishDog, who had this lying around on Betamax video and uploaded it.
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Pm Abbott is merely reflecting the concerns of the public RE: abc bias
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What public ?? Oh you mean the shock jocks.
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lukerobinho wrote:Pm Abbott is merely reflecting the concerns of the public RE: abc bias The West Sydney Public perhaps. -PB
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:What public ?? Oh you mean the shock jocks. The most popular broadcasters in the country ?
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:What public ?? Oh you mean the shock jocks. Australian Tax payers funding the ABC excluding Socialist, Greens and left of the political persuasion, approximately 75% of the population.
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But I grew up in a Liberal dominated area (appox. 80% Liberal) and nearly everyone I knew listened to and watched the ABC. Rural Australians can't get enough of it.
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News.com.au wrote:YouTube suspends Prime Minister Tony Abbott's YouTube account TONY Abbott may claim he's "delivered on his promise", but over the weekend a glitch on video site YouTube meant his message was taken down for 'deceptive content'. Over the weekend Abbott released a video titled A Message from the PM - Delivering on Our Promises . In the clip Mr Abbott describes a growing national confidence and promises to "scrap the carbon tax, end the waste and get the budget under control". "From talking to people around our country, my sense is that confidence is returning," he says. He claims the Federal Government has made "big progress in border protection" and boasts last month was the first since 2009 that has "gone without the arrival of a single illegal boat". "The people smugglers are finally getting the message that this country is under new management," Mr Abbott says. "It's been a remarkable turnaround in only a few months. Our policies are working." But it seems others see it differently. Soon after it was released, the Prime Minister's video was suspended by YouTube after social media users claimed it contained 'deceptive content'. YouTube's guidelines state videos are reviewed when "a video gets flagged as inappropriate". YouTube then suspended Mr Abbott's entire account.
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imonfourfourtwo wrote:But I grew up in a Liberal dominated area (appox. 80% Liberal) and nearly everyone I knew listened to and watched the ABC. Rural Australians can't get enough of it. Where did you get your ratings from to back this up? This is about what ABC is presenting to general public. There are no balanced views in any of their political affairs shows or the news, if you do not agree please name one presenter or a show that is not from the left bias view. ABC is an absolute embarrassment to even have Australian in their name
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No12 wrote:imonfourfourtwo wrote:But I grew up in a Liberal dominated area (appox. 80% Liberal) and nearly everyone I knew listened to and watched the ABC. Rural Australians can't get enough of it. Where did you get your ratings from to back this up? This is about what ABC is presenting to general public. There are no balanced views in any of their political affairs shows or the news, if you do not agree please name one presenter or a show that is not from the left bias view. ABC is an absolute embarrassment to even have Australian in their name Yawn you are boring.
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No12 wrote:imonfourfourtwo wrote:But I grew up in a Liberal dominated area (appox. 80% Liberal) and nearly everyone I knew listened to and watched the ABC. Rural Australians can't get enough of it. Where did you get your ratings from to back this up? This is about what ABC is presenting to general public. There are no balanced views in any of their political affairs shows or the news, if you do not agree please name one presenter or a show that is not from the left bias view. ABC is an absolute embarrassment to even have Australian in their name So if the ABC dissapears, who would show left wing based programming? -PB
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:lol: no 12 do you realize that the old school abc listeners are country folk who rely on it . Also they are not the type of people that the right want to portray as typical abc listeners .The problem we have is the right want to destroy the last unbiased news service so uncle rupert can get his mitts on it . He tried to it to the bbc but failed . He is doing it here .
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No12 wrote:imonfourfourtwo wrote:But I grew up in a Liberal dominated area (appox. 80% Liberal) and nearly everyone I knew listened to and watched the ABC. Rural Australians can't get enough of it. Where did you get your ratings from to back this up? This is about what ABC is presenting to general public. There are no balanced views in any of their political affairs shows or the news, if you do not agree please name one presenter or a show that is not from the left bias view. ABC is an absolute embarrassment to even have Australian in their name Edited by imonfourfourtwo: 3/2/2014 05:40:27 PM
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imonfourfourtwo wrote:No12 wrote:imonfourfourtwo wrote:But I grew up in a Liberal dominated area (appox. 80% Liberal) and nearly everyone I knew listened to and watched the ABC. Rural Australians can't get enough of it. Where did you get your ratings from to back this up? This is about what ABC is presenting to general public. There are no balanced views in any of their political affairs shows or the news, if you do not agree please name one presenter or a show that is not from the left bias view. ABC is an absolute embarrassment to even have Australian in their name Edited by imonfourfourtwo: 3/2/2014 05:40:27 PM That just scarred me for life :lol:
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Amazing that 12 still doesn't understand the difference between left wing bias and lack of right wing bias.
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notorganic wrote:Amazing that 12 still doesn't understand the difference between left wing bias and lack of right wing bias. Well it is like the terms left and right, they are purely subjective terms. While the Liberals are right wing here their now tolerance of universal healthcare and corporate bailouts of companies like Cadbury would see any American Republican deem them evil socialists. How something is viewed is entirely on what it is not. Liberals do some things that could be construed as socialist but because they are compared to Labor they are seen as right wing. The ABC report on things from both sides of the story yet because the left wing has any side at all, as opposed to the pure right wing tirade presented by the commercial media, the ABC is seen as leftist. Edited by imonfourfourtwo: 4/2/2014 03:38:39 PM
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paulbagzFC wrote:No12 wrote:imonfourfourtwo wrote:But I grew up in a Liberal dominated area (appox. 80% Liberal) and nearly everyone I knew listened to and watched the ABC. Rural Australians can't get enough of it. Where did you get your ratings from to back this up? This is about what ABC is presenting to general public. There are no balanced views in any of their political affairs shows or the news, if you do not agree please name one presenter or a show that is not from the left bias view. ABC is an absolute embarrassment to even have Australian in their name So if the ABC dissapears, who would show left wing based programming? -PB Anyone preaching alternate ideas is dangerous and 'un-Australian' according to No12.
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imonfourfourtwo wrote:notorganic wrote:Amazing that 12 still doesn't understand the difference between left wing bias and lack of right wing bias. Well it is like the terms left and right, they are purely subjective terms. While the Liberals are right wing here their now tolerance of universal healthcare and corporate bailouts of companies like Cadbury would see any American Republican deem them evil socialists. How something is viewed is entirely on what it is not. Liberals do some things that could be construed as socialist but because they are compared to Labor they are seen as right wing. The ABC report on things from both sides of the story yet because the left wing has any side at all, as opposed to the pure right wing tirade presented by the commercial media, the ABC is seen as leftist. Edited by imonfourfourtwo: 4/2/2014 03:38:39 PM But that's your subjective analysis isn't it? I see the ABC as being blatantly left wing, and the private media as being more being more diverse in its opinions. SMH Online (Fairfax) for example is the leading news website in Australia. Even News Corp isn't entirely right websites like news.com.au are pro NBN, pro refugee and pro gay marriage, the only real "out there" right wing publication is the Daily Telegraph and possibly the Age. I have no issue calling these publications out for what they are but you won't find too many supporters of the ABC and Fairfax admitting it tilts to the left. No these people are convinced they have the monopoly on truth, objectivity and factual insight and anyone who disagrees must be racist, dumb or confused. So you see the ABC as the perfect balance and anything which digresses from this as "pure right wing tirade". Funny how different people see the same things differently. :)
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Fuck that shark scares the shit out of me paladisious.
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